Here's the review...

http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/sports/pes2008/index.html?tag=tabs;summary

WOW, LMAO, this review is horrible IMO.

These guys seriously expect each game every year to be RADICALLY different. While I agree there aren't any new features in PES2008, you can't tell me that the guys who made FIFA08 have been hard at work for the past year also. FIFA08 is just FIFA07 with a bunch of improvements.

And these guys hate the realistic improvements in gameplay? They hate the fact that GK's funble the ball? Well, that happens in real life! They hate the fake diving? Well hey, it happens in real life! I get the feeling these losers never fully watched a game of football!

PES still has few liscences? LMAO!! I can't believe they still cry about this. The edit mode can change all that! The edit mode is so large, you can change practically anything! You can even scan kits no matter if the game is console or PC! LOL, someone should tell these guys about edit mode, because they seem horrified at the fact that ManUtd is called ManRed! LMAO!

And why do they say the presentation is very bad? I think the menus look awesome, very sleek and modern.

Wow, this review has been pretty bad. You can tell these guys are very pro-FIFA.

i thought the review was spot on.

The Bad
.. Adds no new features to last year's game
.. Still lags online
..Poor presentation in every respect.

whats wrong with that? ITS TRUE!!! The online mode is appallingly slow and laggy. Players move around the pitch without moving their legs. The online music's the same as PES 5!! Alter the settings and the game speeds up and plays to fast.

We have (PC) bought a game that hasn't been finished yet. In terms of bugs/presentation and the online servers not being able to cope.

Mate, I agree with you that the online probably sucks, but I disagree on the other two points. There have been new added features, how can you say there haven't?? face importer, kit importer, shirt pulling, fake diving, new GK controls, new sounds, etc.

I agree however, that there have been somwhat few new features.

About the poor presentation...I will let that one be because i guess everyone has their own opinions. I like the menus very much. You might not. We will leave it at that.

And about the finished game...well think of FIFA08. (a) is FIFA08 for PC good? or (b) is it a joke? (I hope you picked b)

Plus, you can't say that FIFA08 is the MOST complete game this year either. IMO, FIFA08 has very little improvements compared to 07. I think FIFA08 is a bigger waste of money than PES2008. FIFA08 gets real boring reali fast. However the nice somewhat new gameplay of PES2008 provides a lot of variation which will keep you hooked on the game until the next version comes...

I just found out that they gave the PS3 version of the game an even lower score of 6.0!.

http://www.gamespot.com/ps3/sports/pes2008/index.html?tag=tabs;summary

Fifa improved a little. PES improved, but less than FIFA.

You guys judge reviews too much, just play both games and make your own review of them, and choose which one to play during the year.

I have chosen, it's called PES2008. It's much better and playable than FIFA. End of.

as I only play online or against human oponnents, I can say only this

I was a Pes/We fan for years and years (7-8), I think myself as a players who know all secrets about PES and preety much very good players

I also play real soccer


Having played Pes2008 and Pes6 made me install FIFA for the first time since 1998.

PES football has become mixure of absulutely unacceptable AI mistakes, stupid keepers, and totaly unreal pshysics makin star players running into your players and going forward...dont wanna even mention small pitch in PES series for years now

In Pes6 and Pes2008 average player can easily beat very good players only cause it has better team (Barca, Real etc) than some average teams (Porto, Ajax etc...)

PES has become game with no skills needed and with no soul...just press turbo and run all the way with fast players, coast to coast practically...play PES2008 or PES6 online, than watch bloody TV and see real match...total archadis rubbish


FIFA08 on the other hand gave me whole new dimension...I dont wanna say a thing about FIFA any more, just wanna tell You all...dont be a fanboy, try it...give it a 30-50 matches chance, and then resolve with yourself what is soccer simulation

just to say, FIFA bringed me back a faith in good soccer game, an enjoyment in scoring goal who I lost with PES6 and 2008...FIFA08 is the closest to a kings of Soccer Simulations, KING PRO EVO 5.All other are preety much worthless in terms of simulation, can be fun though but no near the real thing


this year,my choice will be FIFA08 definetly

he he I'll never play FIFA over PES/WE ....:evil:

that said....I only played about 20 games so I won't talk about game play too much.

but PES 2008 Graphics and Animations sucks!

1. grass textures are horrible!
on some grass you can see repeating pattern forming(for repeating textures)
and what's that funky grass thing they are trying to do on cut-scenes?

2. they should have added some shadows to uniforms rather than relying on nomal maps to create shadows. Guys look plastic when viewed from wide cam

3. some lighting on players are horrible, guys look glowing? when they are behind sun.

4. stadiums looks like they were done by High School kids! no contrast, shadow, .....poor textures

5. fast running animations are comical...


Players head during Cut-Scenes are very cool...but dang.
I know no Artist want to work on Sports games and looks like Konami got bunch of new junior Artists working their Soccer game.

WOW, LMAO, this review is horrible IMO.

These guys seriously expect each game every year to be RADICALLY different. While I agree there aren't any new features in PES2008, you can't tell me that the guys who made FIFA08 have been hard at work for the past year also. FIFA08 is just FIFA07 with a bunch of improvements.

And these guys hate the realistic improvements in gameplay? They hate the fact that GK's funble the ball? Well, that happens in real life! They hate the fake diving? Well hey, it happens in real life! I get the feeling these losers never fully watched a game of football!

PES still has few liscences? LMAO!! I can't believe they still cry about this. The edit mode can change all that! The edit mode is so large, you can change practically anything! You can even scan kits no matter if the game is console or PC! LOL, someone should tell these guys about edit mode, because they seem horrified at the fact that ManUtd is called ManRed! LMAO!

And why do they say the presentation is very bad? I think the menus look awesome, very sleek and modern.

Wow, this review has been pretty bad. You can tell these guys are very pro-FIFA.

WOW! And I can tell you are very pro-PES.

Edit mode large? :rofl: It's about half the size as that in PES6 on PS2.

The review is very accurate, you are a fan-boy. Enjoy your p1ss-poor game.

Buddy, I'm not a fanboy. I play PES AND FIFA. That's why I edit FIFA. I have really been let down by EA for FIFA08 for PC, and I'm sure other PC gamers have also.

That's why I like PES2008. it's a welcome breath of fresh air from FIFA08.

...Well for the 1st time in about 5 years i am going without Pro Evo this year.
I bought the game but it's a total letdown. Bugged , Laggy poor presentation, same online music AGAIN!!!, Online options are appalling (matchrooms anyone. no chat). complete rubbish. And i never thought i'd say that about Pro Evo. Fifi also sucks big time as well.

Have a look on ebay. My copy is up for sale on there.

In defense for Konami.

Sports game teams just don't have enough man power to create Next Gen title from scratch.(because Sports game teams are use to updating their games, they can't just hire bunch of people for 1st version and fire them all after that)
I think that's why all of next gen sports title ratings were around 7.....

Go Konami! looking forward to WE version :)

Mah, I personally love this game and I can't wait until the full version comes! I think Konami have yet to truly understand the power of next-gen consoles, because they had certain restrictions EA didn't. I think next year will be even better!

btw, is there any difference between the North American version of the game and the European version of it? For PC?

What they IMPROVED The most for me is the COMMENTARY!!!!!! Peter Brackley made the game DULL and boring. Now with John Champion scoring a goal is very very very exciting. Now if only they add more leagues to the game next year we will all be happy. I think they need at least 10 leagues in the game to have a good Master League mode even if it is made up teams we can always edit everything.

pes is garbage...fifa is better this year

Wow, this review has been pretty bad. You can tell these guys are very pro-FIFA.

I agree with you. Actually when I saw fifa 08 screenshots of ps3, i thought the game was amazing, only until I played it at my friend's.

It is awful, the goalkeeper makes stupid saves, it is too damn slow and boring, the graphics are overrated, the faces of many players are not even close.

pes 2008 is much better but gamespot reviewer thinks differently I assume.

Yes, I agree with you mate. Except I did not have to actually play the game to come at the same conclusions as you. A few screenshots is all it took for me.

I'm not a PES fanboy or anything. I like both games but I find PES MUCH MUCH more enjoyable than FIFA because of all the new features. I think all the new features really enhances the gameplay and whenever I play I just fnd the game amazingly real.

However the guy in the review pretty much hated all the updates. He hated that GK's aren't perfect anymore, he hated the diving, blah blah blah. Well, someone should tell him that REAL LIFE FOOTBALL has no perfect GK's and fake diving happens quite often for example. For the guy to hate that means he's never watched a true life football match, and I guess he just loves the unrealistic feel of FIFA. Good for him.

He has to be an idiot if he likes a game where the players run like snails in tar. But everyone has their opinions.

P.S. and don't even get me started about FIFA faces. Now these PES faces are the real deal man! I was playing the demo once, and my parents walked in and asked me where I was getting a live feed of Brazil vs. Argentina, LOL. They said everything looked so real...

pes is garbage...fifa is better this year

I agree with your summarization that PES is played by "poops and poofs only".

every year [even though it takes some peeps weeks to realize it] the game IS better even if by a small margin and thus in my opinion its worth every penny....
peeps bitched about how bad last version was compared to pes 5 but a few months later changed their opinion
although a bit fast
the game is more exciting than the last
you can still have good passing build ups
i dont think its arcadey and player movement on the ball is very instinctive!

i think the shootin is great
i paid $29 for pc version [not a huge anual fee!!!!!]
and love it
as for the pres of game i disagree[and who really cares?]
plus the graphics are stunning [ when cranked to the max]

I agree. I love the new menus...some of the music is also pretty good, and the new interface looks sleek and modern.

And I think the player model and graphics is soooo much better than the FIFA ones. In FIFA08, the players look like they're dressed in rags and they run like apes.

I've been playing PES now since it's first incarnation (as I don't think ISS Pro counts, so, I'm talking about Pro Evolution Soccer...). The last decent football game that EA did was FIFA 98 and that, at the time was brilliant.

It was at PES 05, which Konami got horribly wrong (IMO of course) which made me try Fifa '07. I played it to death and then realised that something was missing, a certain Je ne sais quoi, which drew me, eventually back to PES (PES 6 in this case).

I have been playing PES 6, TO DEATH (to my wife's annoyance!! lol) ever since and it has to be said, that even though I have bought (and played quite a lot) PES 2008, I still keep going back to PES 06.

In my view, PES 06 is the closest we've come yet to a proper simulation of football. One of my mates (who is rather good at PES 06, to say the least) and a die hard football supporter bought and played Fifa 08 for quite a while (only because PES 06 looked pants upscaled on his PS3 and LCD!), but, he just wanted to play a good football game. His report to me was less than favourable and basically mirrored my views of FIFA 07. It is an arcade game, a dumbed down version of football for kids.

So, if you're older than 25 and still playing FIFA - grow up and if you're younger than 25 and playing FIFA - you'll learn...

But this is the best piece of advice I can give, if you want to enjoy playing football, stick with PES 6, it's still the best football game around.

pes6?

with star players like Adriano, Ibrahimovic going straight to goal and defenders just move away from them, deflecting from them like they are made from iron?

You call that a simulation? a bunch of stupid AI mistakes, flying SB who run out of space just to create space for flowing game, mega idiotic goalkepeers?

you call a simulation a game that invented new way of scoring goals, famous "cutbacks" who are 50% of human to human goals?


so either You have played against AI or You dont know what soccer looks like on TV? or You are just another fan boy:clapwap:

Hey Borjan,

"In my view, PES 06 is the closest we've come yet to a proper simulation of football" - A direct quote from my post....

I never said it was perfect and it isn't, but it's the one that 'feels' most right to me.

It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

Sounds to me like you're the 'Fan Boy' around here, ruffle a few feathers did I? lol

The reason I posted in the first place was really to say, just because it's old (like me!) doesn't mean the newest incarnation is automatically better.

Yes, I agree the AI is a little crap at times, but at least it's not a parting of the waves like when you go on a run in 2008 (which is just pathetic by the way).

I could debate this all day with you, but truth be told, it's only my opinion.

To answer your question though, I've played plenty of human opponents and yes, I do have a TV - a rather nice 42" 1080p LCD so I can see the action even more clearly ;) - oh and I've only been watching the 'beautiful game' for the last 25 years, so I can't know anything about it at all, eh? :)

Maybe I was a little over the top with what I said about FIFA and I apologise for that, but next time, instead of 'having a go' try holding a conversation, it's a much more pleasant experience...

Just installed PES2008.

To be honest i still love PES4. Since PES 5 things went in another direction. Maybe i just have to play a little longer to get used to it, but yeah...
Anyway, since PES5 they're still looking for the right balance, and haven't found it yet.

Yeah, Pes4 was great, didn't like 5, too many stoppages, but 6 is defo worth a go if you liked 4. Will be interested to know what you think of 2008...

Hey Borjan,
Maybe I was a little over the top with what I said about FIFA and I apologise for that, but next time, instead of 'having a go' try holding a conversation, it's a much more pleasant experience...

I cant be a fanboy, cause after 10 years of Konami Im now playing FIFA

so I damn Konami for that:s***:

btw Im holding a conversation, I just pulled You 3 reason why PES6 isnt even close to simulation

with PES6 might konami soccer sim became arcadish crap, and that "vision" from them is now PES2008, which is absolutely bad game in terms of sim

Pes5 had it all, balance of game of was PERFECT...You needed to build good action to have some free spaces to enter in 1on1 on a gk...even with Barca and excellent players...it was a game where You could easily beat Barca with Kopengahen if You had good skills...in PES6 that became virtually impossible, users with no skills beating good skilled players only cause they took better club...in PEs2008 that "syndrom" became even worse....

i reacted on your post cause "Your feeling" isnt crucial for a good sim game

so for me in terms of getting close to simulating real thing list would be this:

1.KING PES5:rockman:
2.FIFA 2008(Y)
3.PES3:bob:
4.PES6:|
5.PES2008:f***:
6.PES4

Borjan, whatever we think, I agree wholeheartedly on the PES 2008 front, it is ridiculous that Konami are going backwards. Yes, we've got the nice graphics and snazzy front end, but no substance. The players movements for one, although positionally marginally better than 6 (eg for one, I prefer the way they run onto through balls instead of looking at it, which they do, very annoyingly in 6 from time to time), it's the way they move when on the ball, t's not terribly realistic compared to the real thing, although they have improved the running, the 'lolloping' is far more pronounced.

I have to disagree on the point of 'feeling'. The game definitely has to have the right feel and for you that was (or is) 5 and that's fair enough, it is a very good game (only tainted in my view with overly picky refs, which meant the games were very stacatto - in my view the ref's whistle should not become an annoyance).

I do have to hold my hands up to the fact that I never played master-league in 5, which is all I do in 6, so the problems you mentioned have not really affected my enjoyment of the game. My SB's seem to behave and my keepers are pretty dependable, more so than 4 and as for "the famous "cutbacks" who are 50% of human to human goals?" I honestly don't know what you mean. Could you elaborate?

Did you ever play ISS by the way? I think I had that on the SNES, loved that game, but the best football game I've ever played (ok, really showing my age here! lol) is Sensible Soccer. I had that on the Amiga. At the time it was amazing, which is probably why I'm so fond of it...

Well i got £24 +p&p on EBAY for PES 2008. good riddance because it's rubbish.

Anyone that can say the online experience is enjoyable is a liar or works for CONAMI. IT RUBBISH!!!!!!!


A year without a football game, goddammit. Nah, it's worth it cos this years installment just sucks.

Jip will be back in 2008 :f***:

cutback goals are goals when you go down the wing then easy pass to the middle for clean scoring...cause of stupid SB and stupid defence in generally in pes6

I see You play Master League...is that vs AI?

go online and You will probably learn what is cutback goal, go play humans

but cutbacks are not pes6 biggest problem, problem is unreal balance of star players when they magically run through your defence without a problem

Gamespot are no one's fanboys that's for sure.
"...you'll be impressed at how well Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 plays on the PlayStation 2. It captures the realism of the sport almost perfectly, but most importantly, it remains eminently playable".

That is said about the PS2 version of the game.Hardly Fifa-fanboy coverage.
That beyond that the game has numerous flaws that outdo the good is obvious.Fifa 08 is the winner for me too this year.

so for me in terms of getting close to simulating real thing list would be this:

1.KING PES5:rockman:
...


I’d rather prefer to take a number one KING place with WE9:LE (jap analog PES5).

Hi Borjan,

I don't play online any more, got so fed up with lag in the second half of matches, it was spoiling the game. I don't mind losing against someone better than me (and there are plenty of people better than me!!) but I do mind when my players suddenly stop and the next thing I know, the ball is past them. I still don't know if this has been sorted out, or what the cause was (is - if it's still going on), but it seemed to me to be too convenient that I would be 3-0 up and cruising at half time, then the lag would start and then I'd lose, to a player that I shouldn't have lost to.

For that, Konami need shooting and it sounds like the online play in 2008 is no better.

In terms of basic techniques, passing the ball from the edge of the box to the striker in a central position is a very legitimate play. I don't have a problem with that, because it happens. You have to position your defender right on the corner of the 6 yard box or on the penalty spot, as in real football, to try to either intercept the ball in or make a tackle on the player receiving the ball. That's just basic footballing knowledge.

If you're talking from a perspective of the player making the run (with the ball) to the touchline dragging defenders out of position, well, that happens too and the better sides in professional and top player difficulty levels cope much better with that tactic. My mate uses that tactic on me and I just had to learn to cope with it. What isn't real about that?

As for top players being able to ghost past defenders, well, I suppose they wouldn't be top players if they couldn't... That happens too in real life. If their stats say they are very powerful, then they will be able to hold defenders off. Look at Wayne Rooney for instance - he's a very powerful player in real life and can ghost past defenders, in real life, can bounce off defenders in real life.

I haven't played FIFA 08 yet, so maybe I'll give it a go, just to see what all the arguments are about. I don't have anything against the Fifa series except it seems to concentrate more on the tricks and frills rather than pure and swift passing football, which is why I suppose that PES 6 'feels' more realistic certainly than Fifa '07, to me. Sure, I can do the tricks, but I shouldn't have to use them all the time. Swift and accurate passing is after all how football is the majority of the time, with the tricks being the icing on the cake.

I know You can cope with cutbacks goals, but I simpy cant cope with stupid AI who doesnt mark attacker in cutback situations, even on man marking

I never played any FIFA after 1998, there was no need really but in pes6 and pes2008 I simply was getting a headache how your AI players move in order to creat artifical flow of game

its so obvious and cheap from konami

as said before,for TOP players, Im ok that they can better make all stuf, but its simply unrealistic that Zlatan or Adriano are coming directly to my defender, no left or right, no trick, just run straight into him and my defender bounces off and Adriano or Zlatan (many others also) has a free space to run into goal

there is no real skill in that, You just need strong team and run straight forward, you will easily get a chance against middle low class teams...for me thats simply unacceptable and thats main reason why is this arcade game

heres little video about most anoyying things in pes2008 and same mistakes are also in pes6
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ba7k_six-reasons-why-i-hate-pes2008

and here is final game from World Championship in Pes6, notice the gameplay...Zlatan and r2...simply laughable, no near the real soccer :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRdH7sHGHPM

dont get me wrong, PES can be fun, but in terms of simulating the real thing, not even close, cause it has so many exploits

I dont wanna spam any more, you should try fifa08 and give it a 50matches chance, and make own decision

after few games I hated it, I really thought Konami finally dropped the ball this year.

But, after 2 season of ML
I'm loving this game.

Reviewers need to play lot more before writting their reviews I guess.

I know You can cope with cutbacks goals, but I simpy cant cope with stupid AI who doesnt mark attacker in cutback situations, even on man marking

I never played any FIFA after 1998, there was no need really but in pes6 and pes2008 I simply was getting a headache how your AI players move in order to creat artifical flow of game

its so obvious and cheap from konami

as said before,for TOP players, Im ok that they can better make all stuf, but its simply unrealistic that Zlatan or Adriano are coming directly to my defender, no left or right, no trick, just run straight into him and my defender bounces off and Adriano or Zlatan (many others also) has a free space to run into goal

there is no real skill in that, You just need strong team and run straight forward, you will easily get a chance against middle low class teams...for me thats simply unacceptable and thats main reason why is this arcade game

heres little video about most anoyying things in pes2008 and same mistakes are also in pes6
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3ba7k_six-reasons-why-i-hate-pes2008

and here is final game from World Championship in Pes6, notice the gameplay...Zlatan and r2...simply laughable, no near the real soccer :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRdH7sHGHPM

dont get me wrong, PES can be fun, but in terms of simulating the real thing, not even close, cause it has so many exploits

I dont wanna spam any more, you should try fifa08 and give it a 50matches chance, and make own decision


Mate, just so you know I respect all of your views and opinions. You do bring up some good points. However, if you hate the fact that you can take Ibra or Adriano, etc. and just score goals with them, why don't you lower their stats to make them more realistic then?

And also that video you posted about the 6 things that guy hates for me seemed idiotic. Ok, so there are bugs in the game. That guy was obsessing too much about the stupidest of things. For example, i think it was #5 where he was mad because instead of hitting the ball out his defender kept it instead? OMG, now THAT guy should just calm down. And also the fact that not all of his passes reached who he wanted to, and they went to the opposition. While that may seem as a bug, it still can happen in real life...not all the time but it happens...I like that bug because it makes the game more challenging and interesting...

Interesting Coosmac, what has made you change your mind?

Mate, just so you know I respect all of your views and opinions. You do bring up some good points. However, if you hate the fact that you can take Ibra or Adriano, etc. and just score goals with them, why don't you lower their stats to make them more realistic then?

And also that video you posted about the 6 things that guy hates for me seemed idiotic. Ok, so there are bugs in the game. That guy was obsessing too much about the stupidest of things. For example, i think it was #5 where he was mad because instead of hitting the ball out his defender kept it instead? OMG, now THAT guy should just calm down. And also the fact that not all of his passes reached who he wanted to, and they went to the opposition. While that may seem as a bug, it still can happen in real life...not all the time but it happens...I like that bug because it makes the game more challenging and interesting...

I think that's it in a nutshell. If you can see past the minor annoyances, the gameplay is very rewarding to say the least.

Interesting Coosmac, what has made you change your mind?


I just got use to the new game.:jacko:


I play the PC version.
For some reason they changed the control from PS2 format to XBOX format for PCs this year.
I'm pretty sure PS2 format XBOX format has very diffrent sensitivity level.

All the changes they made plus the control sensitivity change threw me off too much at the beginning.

I think shootings are lot more realistic than 2007......althought I think they made crosses too dangerous this year?
(yellow card for opponents(Computer) player taking a dive in the box was pretty sweet :) )

Nice discussion
Also have played for ages and I think Borjan needs to learn to play more. He says it is impossible to beat better teams with weaker ones? I do it in PES 6 online. It is not easy but you just gotta play concentrated. In real Life Peru probably would beat brazil 1 out of 15 times and well i beat brazil in pes5 like 5 out of ten and to good players. The cutback thing is just rubbish. I also hated that attack but then i put on the manual deffending and when a guy went to the side and centered, i had my defender already in place covering the striker in the box. How do I do this? I think if you play this game so much one should know. But i do it by pressing square to make a deffender follow the wing man so that he cannot make a good pass or to even get the ball from him and while I do this I am controlling my other defender. That reduces like 90 the goals. So please stop blaming the games for you lack of skills. I agree with that pes 05 was fun but also think that all the games have their pros and cons. You just cant have it all. Remember its a game. You wanna it to be more realistic then get a ball and go play outdoors. So please, all opinions are respected but we have plenty of options (PES 5, PES 6 , pes07 ..) so choose one. But PES 6 is the one I play cuz I can play it online well and i just feel it more.

PEACE and lets just face the fact some just dont know deffence!

no, you put it totally in wrong direction

I lived with pes whole last 10 years

I know every trick, im best in my neighborhoood, and Im in top 15 players in Balkans online league

Im also in first class in pes6, and NEVER play with Brasil/Inter

I never said it is impossible to beat Barca or Brasil with weaker teams, I have done it numerous times

Im just saying that PES5 was much more balanced and real game than PEs6 and 2008.

Is it hard to understand that PES has became arcade game and that competition and skills are not so more important like scoring divine goals with superstars?...yes, its fun but no realism in that,, this game simply is for kids and easy fun, in terms of competition it all fells apart

In newer versions they even dissalowed Covering option in defence tactics Menu,also my defenders are stambling and falling when Adriano hits them in front which is hilarious cause in easiest way should be offensive foul, numorus cheats in favor of superstars

I know all defending tricks, 2nd defender pressure, man marking, ofsside trap, Im bloody good in tackling, Im great in SC....


thats why I hate konami for simplyfing what it used to be great game

in stead of Evolution we got now simplified R2 soccer arcade game:jap:

7 is too much....6 would be better.

Hi Chaps, I'm back :)

Got some opinions for you, see what you make of this...

So Borjan, I did what you suggested and got FIFA 08, to see what you were talking about, admittedly I got it on PS3 (I haven't tried the PC version) and I really didn't like it. The players were so slow (no speed setting in PS3 version, like on XBOX 360 - don't know if PC ver has this) I really tried to get along with it, but in the end, I traded it in for PES 08 (again for the PS3).

Wow, what a difference. Pes 08 on the PS3 (although admittedly slightly jerky at times) is such a better implementation that the PC version it's not even funny.

And the main difference? Speed. My PC (just so you don't think I'm trying to play on any old junk) is a Core 2 Duo E6600, 2 gig ram, 8800 GTX, so you'll agree it probably isn't underpowered and yet, it just isn't the same. It's like the players are wading through treacle by comparison...

So it's occurred to me, that the PS3 version is going to be more or less how Konami intended it to be, just because the system we are all playing it on is standard - every PS3 plays the same way as they all have the same hardware.

Is it just the fact that once again, we're the victims of yet another shoddy PC port? Probably.

I did see in the kitserver forum that there is a frame skip option in settings, I just wonder if the game is supposed to run faster and we're all so used to playing it at PES 6 speed that people thought it couldn't possibly be supposed to run faster.

I have not tried this yet myself, but will and if anyone is interested, I'll let you know the outcome.

One last thing, pes and fifa are computer games - a computer game is something you usually do because it's fun - I didn't crack one smile playing Fifa and that says it all for me...

I rep + your last line.

It's the truth.

I just finished playing pes 08 on the PC. Don't know what I was talking about. It's just as fast on the pc as it is on the ps3... In fact, it's a bit better on the pc... Frame skip made no difference at all...

Bottom line... it's what coosmac said, just play it a bit and all of a sudden it all clicks into place and before you know it, you can't believe what a good game it is. Really enjoying playing this game right now...

PES 08 & Konami - all is forgiven.

[QUOTE=borjan;2435114]no, you put it totally in wrong direction

I lived with pes whole last 10 years

I know every trick, im best in my neighborhoood, and Im in top 15 players in Balkans online league

Im also in first class in pes6, and NEVER play with Brasil/Inter

I never said it is impossible to beat Barca or Brasil with weaker teams, I have done it numerous times

Im just saying that PES5 was much more balanced and real game than PEs6 and 2008.

QUOTE]

I totally agree with borjan, I love PES 5...Best in the series...

I understand why the rest are unlike us...

Basically it boils own to the type of player the person is in "real life", meaning how he actually plays football in person...

PES 5 is design based on Thierry Henry's perception for the dribbling and finishing part...you do not run straight and push off defenders like a rugby match...you have to wrong foot the defender and go the direction he did not predict...very often using the defender's momentum when pressing against himself...by "sliding sideways"....I can relate to that...cos I play as a winger and I subscribe to the "Henry" way of play rather than the HardBall England run straight Gerald or Lampard style....I have many friends who plays differently from me in real football ad they have the same problem relating to PES 5....

Likewise the pressing style of PES 5 is realistic in my opinion, you have to cut off the ball by running and catching up with the oppenent and cut in his path (automatic)...cannot totally rely oon pressing button as you will end up with the opponent caving at his knees to the ground in response to draw a free kick...isn't this always the case in the EPL?? I think John Terry got it right....

Basically I hate PES 6 for making PES like virtual striker the arcade game...run straight brainless rugby style football....

KONAMI should make a PES followup with PES 2008's graphics but PES 5 gameplay style...

So, if you're older than 25 and still playing FIFA - grow up and if you're younger than 25 and playing FIFA - you'll learn...

But this is the best piece of advice I can give, if you want to enjoy playing football, stick with PES 6, it's still the best football game around.

I'm 43 and this year its Fifa 08 for me. I'm nobodys fanboy and I will play whichever I think is the better game. And for your advice? Well your post is very childish and imature from someone that seems to be grown up. Well anyone who goes around indicating their opinion is all that counts and anyone who doesnt agree isnt sensible like thenselves shouldnt be listened to on any matter.

I'm 43 and this year its Fifa 08 for me. I'm nobodys fanboy and I will play whichever I think is the better game. And for your advice? Well your post is very childish and imature from someone that seems to be grown up. Well anyone who goes around indicating their opinion is all that counts and anyone who doesnt agree isnt sensible like thenselves shouldnt be listened to on any matter.

Well said :clapwap:

It's a fair cop gov - and I admitted that in a later post and apologised.

I have always said, all the way through my posts that it is my opinion and for 43 you are demonstrating just how childish and immature you are by not reading through the rest my posts before having a go.

If that is the only thing that you didn't like about all my posts in this thread, then you really are a sad little man indeed, with nothing better to do than try to start an argument, without first getting your facts straight.

Oh, by the way, that was meant for O'neill and his 'sheep'

Gamespot are no one's fanboys that's for sure.
"...you'll be impressed at how well Pro Evolution Soccer 2008 plays on the PlayStation 2. It captures the realism of the sport almost perfectly, but most importantly, it remains eminently playable".

That is said about the PS2 version of the game.Hardly Fifa-fanboy coverage.
That beyond that the game has numerous flaws that outdo the good is obvious.Fifa 08 is the winner for me too this year.

Owned!

Fifa 08 on the 360 does it for me. Konami need to embrace next gen hardware, be more ambitious and evolve the franchise. It is running out of steam.

Oh, by the way, that was meant for O'neill and his 'sheep'

Actually, I refer to pes fanboys as sheep. Not all, but the ones that deny that the series isn't evolving, that konami are indifferent and that things like overall presentation, audio, grfx still look like a 7th grade arts and crafts project. The ones that swear that PES 2008 on the 360 is a good effort! PES needs to return to greatness. IMO, they have been degenerating since last years dismal attempt at next gen and this year is not much better.

Sorry OrgulloVikingo, I was refering to the post above where the guy just jumped on the bandwagon because I said something stupid and apologised for it later, but they hadn't taken the time to find that out before going off on one.

That's all I meant.

As for PES, I've been playing a bit more PES 08 and I'm beginning to get the little extra touches they have included and I'm not quite as disappointed as I was initially. Where they have dropped the ball is in the menu system - they have left out things which should not be left out, for instance, in master league and tournaments, you cannot select kits. Last night I had to play against a team with almost exactly the same kit - ridiculous and unacceptable. It's like they 'forgot' to include it.

And don't get me started on Konami - what a bunch of t&%£s, have you ever been to the UK website? Totally useless. No patches, no information, no nothing.

But, I prefer PES to Fifa and unless they do something drastic to fifa, the gameplay is never going to match up to pes, which is a shame as the graphics are marvellous and the presentation is a lot better than pes.

What we really need is an amalgum of both games, the best bits from each, maybe that would stop all this pointless bickering about which game is better.

As I have said in earlier posts, games are about personal choice, personally I don't get on with Fifa - I find Pro Evo the right game for me - there's no reason why I can't say that, but every time I do, someone has a pop at me!! Which is nuts that I can't express my opinions, isn't that what a forum is all about?

Anyway, have a look at my next post, I emailed Konami about the screen resolution and aspect ratio problems for those of us with Widescreen monitors, you will not believe the reply from them, it defies reality.

Email to Konami :

Hi,

Why are there no proper widescreen modes listed in settings on the PC version of PES 2008? I have a 22" widescreen monitor (1680 x 1050) and I also have a new LCD TV (1920 x 1080).

Is there anything you can do about this as these are the only two monitors I have and the game looks so very wrong in the resoultions it is currently offering me.

Thanks

Email from Konami :

Dear customer,

Thank you very much for contacting the Konami customer support team.

We would like to suggest you to update you graphic card drivers.

Do not hesitate to contact us if you need more informations.

Your Konami Support Team

Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH
Berner Str. 103-105
60437 Frankfurt am Main
Germany

My Reply :

Excuse me? Update my graphic drivers? Are you people stupid or do you think that I am?

That is the lamest request I have ever heard. I am an IT manager by trade and I think I should know when something needs a driver update or not.

You just have not thought about this reply one little bit. The game needs a patch, not just for the graphical side, but for other things too, like the fact that you can't select kits during a master league or cup match. I couldn't tell which team was which last night, ridiculous.

Kitserver has sorted out my aspect ratio and resolution problems, just a shame it wasn't like that out of the box.