Okay it's the hottest transfer story of the summer and it's clogging up several other threads so here's one of it's very own.

My two cents;

I think Cristiano is one of the most gifted and skilled players I've ever seen - he is the best in the world and I'd love him to stay at United.

However and this is the big "however" I want to see players in that red shirt who are dedicated to the club and are focussed 100% on Manchester United. I hope all this from Ronaldo is gamesmanship in order to try and get a better deal, but I'm beginning to doubt it.

Manchester United have several issues here;

1: Ronaldo is contracted, and United really shouldn't have to consider his future yet.

2: Losing Ronaldo will almost publically state that United are a "feeder" club to the big boys of Europe (especially Madrid)

3: Giving Ronaldo the bigger deal in the middle of a longterm contract will not sit well with other star players.

4: In principle letting him "rot in the stands" for four years is admirable - however I wouldn't blame United for screwing as much cash from Madrid as they could for him. And perhaps Robinho or Wesley Sneijder as well.

Personally I think United should sell him if he decides he wants to go - the sooner the better so we can get replacements (Frank Ribery for example)

He's goig to real madrid its that simple. or should i say wat to go to real madrid. i sersiouy dont know whats so special about real madrid they havent done jack **** in recent history. rea madrid are apparently offerig Robinho plush cash for Ronaldo. Robinho himself claims man u want him aspart of the deal for ronaldo. CR's Godfaterh has sad that CR ha decided o Madrid and CRs godfather is the one who "conseledd" ronaldoto go to sportig and also to MU inthe firs place. so i wouldnt doubt his word. nw its whether or not Man U are gong to douchebags and not sell him and possiblly make him rot on the bench like the glalzers threaten to do. or they actually decide to let him go. i expet him to wnt to go CR isnt the kind of perso who can commit to 1 club for a very long time. and i expect him to leave

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3640666,00.html

Teamtalk's take on the situation. Be awesome if we could get Casillas.

It still amazes me that some fans expect ALL their players to be loyal and dedicated for life to a club.

They are employees doing a job, and unless a player grows up with, and is a life long fan of a particular club, then why expect him to be loyal?

Those days were over a long time ago. Man U attracts mercenaries as much as other big clubs do, so don't be so surprised by that.

My view is that Real Madrid are openly tapping him up. If this was Chelsea doing it there would be hell on earth. Fair enough, most clubs tap up, but they do it behind the backs and don't have the cheek to do it openly. Real should have the book thrown at them, but Blatter's anti-English brigade will come in and protect the crown jewell that is Real Madrid.

If Ronaldo wants to go, let him, he'll cost them though, despite Real's attempt at unsettling him to drive down the price.

He will be a Utd player next year though, and Robinho can suck my balls.

It still amazes me that some fans expect ALL their players to be loyal and dedicated for life to a club.

They are employees doing a job, and unless a player grows up with, and is a life long fan of a particular club, then why expect him to be loyal?

Those days were over a long time ago. Man U attracts mercenaries as much as other big clubs do, so don't be so surprised by that.

I know that at the end of the day it's a job. But part of me still enjoys the romantic side of football when players cared about their teams, but then when you look at Gary Neville, Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs and Wes Brown having spent their entire careers at United you can probably see why the mercenaries stand out.

I think what rankles so much is the obscene amount of money these players demand - I seriously believe it's time for a wage cap and transfer cap, perhaps then players will start to worry more about their performances on the pitch than the cash they get off it.

Sean, there have been stories for some time now concerning Aston Villa and at least 2 Chelsea players. Chelsea has never been approached by Villa. Neither have the 2 players, but Villa have fed the media with their wishes anyway. This in principle, is exactly what Madrid have done.

This is not tapping up. This is scummy and this is sneaky, but it is not tapping up.

IF Madrid actually arranged to meet the player or his agent, and that meeting materialised, then that would be the case.

Of course Madrid, through the media have let Ron know that they want him. That happens all the time, and I'm surprised that this particular case has got so many United fans so hot under the collar.

It's also very hypocritical to turn a blind eye when your own club do it, ( Hargreaves, Tevez etc), and then go ape sh1t when it's done back to you.

I wouldn't have the nerve to complain, after some of the things that Chelsea have done in the past.

Sean, there have been stories for some time now concerning Aston Villa and at least 2 Chelsea players. Chelsea has never been approached by Villa. Neither have the 2 players, but Villa have fed the media with their wishes anyway. This in principle, is exactly what Madrid have done.

This is not tapping up. This is scummy and this is sneaky, but it is not tapping up.

IF Madrid actually arranged to meet the player or his agent, and that meeting materialised, then that would be the case.

Of course Madrid, through the media have let Ron know that they want him. That happens all the time, and I'm surprised that this particular case has got so many United fans so hot under the collar.

It's also very hypocritical to turn a blind eye when your own club do it, ( Hargreaves, Tevez etc), and then go ape sh1t when it's done back to you.

I wouldn't have the nerve to complain, after some of the things that Chelsea have done in the past.

Well said!

Also, all these dreams of getting Casillas, Ramos, Diarrah, Wesley etc are just unfounded and really borderline dreamy...

As I has stated many many times Ronaldo has been luring Madrid and not the other way around. Yes, we would want him, but who wouldnt. We have made no direct contacts with the man, simply have stated that we would love to have him. Ronaldo on the other hand has not once denied his own interest in leaving Man U. or his desire to play in Madrid, so blame him for everything. He started it all.

I should also point out that it is possible that Robihno could leave. While not a choice I would have made as I believe we have a nice team as it is. He could leave in a Ronaldo deal as he has never lived up to his full potential with us. Truly this season he was coming alive but then he got injured and never regained his form...still a very decisive player when he is on.

As I has stated many many times Ronaldo has been luring Madrid and not the other way around..

eh? have you actuall been reading anything or did you just make that bit up? cos all i recall is mraca banging on about it and calderon and his cronies banging on about him goin, cant recall one article where ronaldo is luring madrid like. im really not sure how you can see it that way given the amount of press coming out of spains tabloids...sorry real madrids tabloids.



i dont want to see him go but i mean weve lost bigger players before, plus madrid will pay obscene money meaning we can just go and get more players, weve gotten over better players leaving and will again.,dont want to see him go tho.

and to be fair what can real offer? the odd la liga and getting knocked out of the cl in the last 16 every year

Man Utd, Barca, Chelsea, Madrid = Tap up scum
Arsenal = Holy

no Arsenal are just craddle robbers, that's all....;)



If you missed the whole other post i made in the Man U thread then, it would serve you well to read it prior to comention further on what Marca prints as news, or before even implying that Marca speaks for Real madrid because it does not, rather Marca speaks to destabilize Calderon (Madrid's President).

As far as Ronaldo being the one luring Madrid....case an point.

Take his lastest declarations on a news conference over the weekend...."I have a dream to play for Real Madrid. Everybody has dreams..." umm if that's not throwing yourself at a team I dont know what it is...When asked earlier in the season if he would ever consider a move to Real Madrid (by an English reporter) "Yes, its been a dream of mine since childhood, a team i could not deny.." so again I dont know what you call luring a club but to me that is

I think everybody knows that i was defending Ronaldo for like the past 2 month. But after hearing some of the recent reports from him, especially the one where he said that he will decide his future in 2 or 3 days, i am not ashamed to come out and say that i was wrong. Real Madrid would love to have Ronaldo and they are stirring the pot a little bit with all this talk, but its Ronaldo himself that created all this commotion. He is the one to blame and you know what, if he is doing that to get a bigger contract just a year after he got a bumper new one, then what's gonna happen next year? Same crap all over again and a third contract for Ronaldo in three years? Nah, that just messes the team morale up and makes everybody think about money rather than trophies. So if he really wants that badly to play for Real Madrid, i don't blame him, he grew up in that environment, he won't get kicked and tackled with potentially career-ending tackles as much in La Liga and he will be able to dribble past more players without getting an elbow in the face or a boot in the ankle. Ronaldo, didn't grow up as a life-long United fan, so really we can't ask him for much loyalty, he wants to go to Real Madrid let him go there while the price tag is so high and lets find a replacement fast. Lots of fans we'll be pissed, but they'll be over it or they will **** off to Madrid together with all the little girls.

...2: Losing Ronaldo will almost publically state that United are a "feeder" club to the big boys of Europe (especially Madrid)...

At 905,000,000 GBP, ManU >>> Real Madrid (~656,000,000 GBP)

"Big Boys"??? As much as I hate to say it, a club like yours shouldn't have to be in a fight over such issues.....the only party to be blamed here is the player himself. To put it plainly, :Devil:SAF:Devil: scraped him off the floor below the fridge and made him what he is today. He should ATLEAST see out his contract..........as a way of thanking the Scot.

EDIT: Personally, I think that the "saga" will be settled in the next 2 or 3 days.

apperently hull are making an offer.

anyway man u wont sell him, even if he demands to leave according to sir alex furgoson, hell rather put him in the reserves then sell.

we missed the boat on getting him 2 years ago after the world cup, thats when we really should have tried to get him, it would of been cheaper and much easier back then.

but like everyone here is pretty much saying ronaldo is a lot to blame for this, if he came out and said i dont want to leave i want to stay then it would of never have gotten to this point and calderon and co would of stopped ages ago, the same thing happend with kaka but he came out and said i dont want to leave milan and that was the end of it.

wtf... i thought ronaldo said hes staying right after we won the CL.

or was that the media putting words into his mouth?

no, he did. but the media kept asking him and he kind of backed away from his initial statement.

wtf... i thought ronaldo said hes staying right after we won the CL.

or was that the media putting words into his mouth?

But then he told Radio5 straight after that he would decide "after Euro08" now he has apparently said he will decide in the next couple of days.

I also thought that was the end of it, but Ronaldo seems to be fluttering his eyes at Madrid a bit too much.

This is modern football lads, that silly little claim by Fergie that he'll let Ronaldo sit on the bench rather than sell him is just straight up silly. It wont happen. If he wants to leave, much to his chagrin, Fergie and co. will have to negotiate...If the negoations 'Fail' that's a different ballgame, but if he asks to leave they will have to sit down and talk

This is modern football lads, that silly little claim by Fergie that he'll let Ronaldo sit on the bench rather than sell him is just straight up silly. It wont happen.

he's done it before, admittedly he sold them in the end. But I agree, it wont happen. He will either stay or get sold for lots of money.

I certainly don't like the idea he'll stay for one more season then go. Either he's committed to United or he isn't - and if he isn't then there are many more players out there who would die for that shirt on his back.

Either he agrees to see out his contract or we sell him now for megabucks - I do not want him skulking about for a season.

UPDATE: Manchester United Chairman David Gill has just reiterated their stance he said United will not sell and that's the final word. Ronaldo will join up with United after his Euro 2008 holiday (he'll miss the Africa tour)

http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,2483_3654186,00.html

Brazillian website claims exclusive with Ronaldo where he states he wants to go.

If Real offer something around 80 million pounds, i'd take it.

If Real offer something around 80 million pounds, i'd take it.

So would I, but I'd love a couple of players plus cash - especially Wesley Sneijder, I think he's a great player.

Just say you're ******* off Cristiano, and we can replace you.

UPDATE:

From the Times (very reliable newspaper)

It looks like the relationship between Sir Alex and Cristiano has broken down:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4076331.ece

Ronaldo's attitude is really annoying me now - who in the hell does he think he is to disrespect Manchester United like this?

Looks like he's off then. He'll never have experienced the pressure that he's going to feel now.

EDIT: The transfer market (already expected to be busy) now gets spicier.....ManU has now got to replace their number 7. Ronaldinho, Sneijder, Robinho, David Villa?????

Robinho please, thank you.

Why the hell in the world would he think about joining Real Madrid leaving the best club in the world in it's best state?
Ronaldinho was coming to us but Barca took him.So if we get him it might give him a new lease of life.Ferguson is known to be an admirer of his talents.
Robinho would also be nice.
Yes, seeing Ronaldo playing in the reserves league will be fantastic.It will take him back down to sweet earth.

It appears that he just wants a new challenge, thats why we wants to go.. Of course, I would add that to the other comments that have been already made... most of them critical of him.

As a Real Madrid fan, I would not like to have him in our squad because it has taken us a year to reach a clicking point in our squad. I would hate for it to be disrupted by the likes a such big signing. But if it does happen, I would welcome him, and hope that it helps us rather than hurt our team chemistry.

It still amazes me that some fans expect ALL their players to be loyal and dedicated for life to a club.

They are employees doing a job, and unless a player grows up with, and is a life long fan of a particular club, then why expect him to be loyal?

Those days were over a long time ago. Man U attracts mercenaries as much as other big clubs do, so don't be so surprised by that.

for me i expect a player to stay loyal during the duration of the contract. and if they sign a second, stick to it and not jump ship at the earliest oppurtinity given.

is this "enterview" that he gave even true, i wont beleive it untill he comes out and says it himself in a press confrence.

its true its on terra.com a brazilian website that is rather well known...so is not like its a mickey mouse source, its a real source...Regarless I am like a lot of Madridistas concerned about team chemistry, but Maybe Ronaldo is that last bit of class we've been missing...as I stated before all this talk about sitting him on reserves is non-sesnse, this is not 1910 players who want to leave a club must leave, or at least negotiated for...I could see Robihno leaving in the deal towards Man U. But I dont believe that Robihno is a player fit for playing in the EPL, he is not one for physical contact, I can tell you that much, so I dont know how much it would benefit you guys

But some people think the source is not real.....
WE DON'T NEED RONALDO!
yes he is the best player but he is too expensive, and he is a dive, and he wants so much many (he wants to get more money then Raul and Casillas...)

Real Madrid bought Robben, certainly more a diver than Cristiano is.

Robinho please, thank you.

He is a very good player but I tend to think he'd get kicked around in the Prem as he's not the strongest in the world. At best I'd see him as a player like Hleb, who is a VERY GOOD player, but is nobody that can score the goals that Ronaldo can.
I have to admit even as an Arsenal fan it'd be mouth watering to see who United would buy with the money they'd get if he goes. Ribery? Quaresma? Huntelaar? And don't steal Nasri from us:mad:

I think the loss of Ronaldo would hurt United the most in The Champions League looking back on all the big goals he scored to save you guys.

And don't steal Nasri from us:mad:


Nasri is more of a central player - still you never know his pace and trickery could be what we need.

UPDATE:


Marca report Ronaldo has agreed 5 year deal with Madrid

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/gossip_and_transfers/default.stm

How can ronaldo of agreed a 5 year deal if he still has a contract with United?

Wouldn't the deal have had to be done with United?

anyway, Ronaldo mum has said he's staying :D sounds like we got him for 1 more year.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1256398.ece

Only in the sun can you find such gems :D

How can ronaldo of agreed a 5 year deal if he still has a contract with United?

Wouldn't the deal have had to be done with United?

anyway, Ronaldo mum has said he's staying :D sounds like we got him for 1 more year.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1256398.ece

Only in the sun can you find such gems :D


I suspect if Real have agreed personal terms, United will be placing a phone call to UEFA and FIFA fairly shortly.

oh gosh you guys just get swayed by these tabloids way too easily...The terra interview could be legit, who knows, the interest is real and so are his intentions of leaving it appears, but these other things Marca and the sun seem to be publishing every hour are nothing but propaganda..and inuendo. I know Marca well enough to know that 95% of what they write is garbage..with an occasional lucky find...

Hey I did say "IF" although it's obvious Ronaldo is finished at United.

Here is the state of play as I understand it.

The issue is that there seems to be a lot of different angles all pointing to the unescapable conclusion that Ronaldo wants to go, or at least will stay one more year and then go (which is not acceptable)

The facts are: Ronaldo has been recorded in live interviews (ITV and Radio5) within days of each other stating "I'm gonna stay" after the UCL final and then coming out with "I promise nothing to the supporters I promise nothing to my mother I decide in a few days what my future is"

These interviews are stone cold fact. The interview in the Brazillian website has not been recorded or transmitted so we don't actually see Ronaldo say this.

However, ignoring the "interviews and quotes" attributed to him we still have the fact that Cristiano has not come out and publically declared his intentions - which in itself is extremely worrying. We have heard absolutely nothing concrete, so we can assume from this that Cristiano is seriously considering Madrid. From this we can also theorise that Cristiano is not 100% committed to United, and that is why the supporters are getting annoyed with him. In addition to the fact that he is only one year into a five year contract which he was more than happy to sign last year, meaning that Ronaldo should not even be considering his future.

All we do have are these reports flying round that Ronaldo wants to go (which he has not denied) probably being orchestrated by Real Madrid sympathisers themselves (Marca). Apparently now there is a real rift developing between Ronaldo and Sir Alex - Allegedly Ronaldo has banned Sir Alex from speaking to him during EURO 08 (Although Scolari has said he would allow Fergie to talk to Cristiano if he wished)

Of course Sir Alex is away taking a well earned break, so we can only guess as to whether Sir Alex has indeed attempted to contact Cristiano as yet.

So we are left to wonder, and question the intentions of Cristiano Ronaldo - so if we don't know what his intentions are, how can we trust him?

That my friends is the burning question, we need to know where United stands - If Ronaldo is not committed then he has to go.

UPDATE:

From the Times (very reliable newspaper)

It looks like the relationship between Sir Alex and Cristiano has broken down:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/manchester_united/article4076331.ece

Ronaldo's attitude is really annoying me now - who in the hell does he think he is to disrespect Manchester United like this?

Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

He has always been arrogant, selfish, vain and self opinionated, but you the fans, have revelled in those negatives and up to now have seen them as positives. When everyone else was calling him the prick that he is, you lot just refused to see it and worshipped him like a god, accusing everyone else of petty prejudices for reasons that did not ring true.

He is a pretty good player, not as great as he is made out to be for sure, but still pretty good, but you lot have put him on a higher pedistal than he deserves. He has sucked up all your praise, adulation, and fanatical ass licking, and he has fed his ego with it. Now he is so full of it, that he can now tell you all to fu<k off. He is telling you all that you and your club mean nothing.

Man U was never important for Ronaldo, everyone else but you lot always knew that. The only thing important to Ronaldo has always been Ronaldo, and nothing else.

He is a mercenary, like a lot of today's self appointed "superstars". Why should your club be so different from any other club, that you are shocked that someone could be doing this to you?

We have seen Man U do the dirty on many players over the years, usually due to ol' red nose feeling threatened by them. Man U have also over the years tapped up and tempted players away from their clubs to join United. Why is it OK to do it to others but sacriligious to have it done to you?

Even in this thread, Man U fans are talikng about stealing players from other clubs to replace Ronaldo, as if you have the god given right to whoever you want, regardless of the other clubs feelings about it, or indeed the other clubs fans feelings about it.

This episode is a perfect example of why Manchester United are regarded by other clubs, as an arrogant club with many arrogant fans.

For some reason Man U fans are surprised that a player would behave like this towards their club. You have to accept that Ronaldo used your club as a stepping stone to better things (at least in his mind). Sure it must come as a shock that your club is not the most desirable club to play for, because obviously you think it is. That's because most Man U fans seem not to live in the real world like the rest of us, but see themselves as something far removed from the rest of the footballing world.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.

Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.

It is not taken as such. Perhaps we do blind ourselves to our favourite players' faults (I guess most clubs do) I tell you this, I think a lot of us are indeed seeing a side of Cristiano that we wanted to believe never existed (given his behaviour in the WC2006 and afterwards) Perhaps I was wrong to defend him against that.

Cristiano Ronaldo was my favourite player in the world, I believed he'd be the best one day (and he is - on current form) I also believed he would treat his fans at United with loyalty and respect - which I am in danger of losing this belief given the way this has unfolded.

I can only speak for myself here, but I think the majority of Man Utd fans have built up a siege mentality over the years, perhaps this is due to Sir Alex, but there has always been an "Either you're with us or against us" type feeling among United's supporters. Especially given the attitude a lot of other football fans have towards us (again maybe it's due to Sir Alex or our success or something else - perhaps there is a percieved arrogance about my statement, but constantly defending my choice of club does tend to get the passion for the club going.

The fact remains, whether you love United or loathe them (and there are plenty here that do) Ronaldo has shown complete and total contempt for the club and it's fans and that is a sure way to lose the love of the fans.

It's a natural thing to be defensive about your club. We at Chelsea are pretty much the same way, and it IS because at times it seems as if the club is being attacked from all sides, so its a natural way to feel in my opinion.

I sympathise with you guys. This kind of situation will always bring with it huge dissapointment for the fans. Add to that the opportunity it gives to the scum media to stir every one up, which they have done with a vengence, and it's understandable why the fans are so angry and feel somewhat betrayed.

I guess we all hope that when a player comes to us, it's because he really wants to play for our club. We hope that in time, that player will come to love the club as we do. Sad to say, that very rarely happens.

I suppose it's due to my age, but I lost any illusions that I used to have about this wonderful game, many years ago. Treachery and corruption goes on everywhere, and it's constant. I accepted that a long time ago, which is why nothing surprises me any more. It's crap and something that just we have to live with.

This situation is so similar to many situations that Chelsea have been through over the last few years. I'm talking about the fact that so far nobody has actually heard Ronaldo say any of those quotes that have been credited to him. So far, it is all paper talk, and as we all know the papers talk out of their arses.

OK it looks bad that Ronaldo has not made a definative statement about his intentions, but he has said that he wishes to be left alone during the Euro's, to concentrate on his teams challenge ahead. I think that should be sufficient for now. You want answers and the media want answers, and Ronaldo say's "not yet".

Thats why the media are twisting the whole situation . They are telling you that Ronaldo has said this, and Ronaldo has said that, when in reality we do not know that he has said anything at all. When you hear from Ronaldo himself what his intentions are, from his own lips, then is the fairest time to judge the situation and judge the player.

Anything other than that verges on a media inspired hysteria. It could very well ALL be a pile of crap mate.

Robben's dad once said a very similar thing to what Ronaldo's mom just said, who does it even matter?

And i like how almost all Real fans talk as if getting Ronaldo would be bad for them and would destroy their whole team chemistry and they will be back to 3rd, 4th place finishes in La Liga. Give me a break, he can only make your team stronger. You chemistry isn't perfect, nobody's is. If he won't perform then he'll get a boot to the bench, simple. Chemistry isn't some puzzle that you solve, its a motivation, desire, skill etc etc. One season you could have everything go absolutely your way and the next it can all go horribly wrong with exact same players. So let's not act like he wouldn't make things better, shall we?

i dont believe anyone is claiming he would make us worse....the implication is however that Ronaldo is very much like the Galacticos that we came to dislike so much because of their lack of fight and compromise with the club. We are afraid that Ronaldo would act that way...Nobody however has denied he would make us better he would make any team in the world better that's why we are thinking of shelling 80 million. If you had followed our last 12 games from the previous season and by en large our general form this season we now have regained some values that were historic of Madrid and which we had lost due to the revolving door policy of hiring nothing but superstars who sometimes were more after money than anythinge else....

anyway...I would love Ronaldo in our Squad who wouldnt? but if he didnt come it wouldnt be a failure of any sort, we have other options and more pressing concerns, so if he were to stay in Man U then its all good just the same...that's what I am saying

once again proves how classless that little prick is. all things considered, i'd have messi over ronaldo EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. i'm sure Man u fans are saying the same thing now. this is great, his transfer will hurt both united and madrid. And pede, that was fantastic analysis about United fans constantly putting Ronaldo on a pedestal...agree 100%!

Personally I think United should sell him if he decides he wants to go - the sooner the better so we can get replacements (Frank Ribery for example)

Kiss my lederhosen covered ass. Ribery isn't going anywhere.

once again proves how classless that little prick is. all things considered, i'd have messi over ronaldo EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK. i'm sure Man u fans are saying the same thing now. this is great, his transfer will hurt both united and madrid. And pede, that was fantastic analysis about United fans constantly putting Ronaldo on a pedestal...agree 100%!

Completely disagree. As much as a bitch as CR apparently is being about this, he is clearly the best winger in the world. Two years ago it would have been stupid to move to Madrid, but they have done a lot to improve, and I think adding Ronaldo would make them the best club in the world.

Kiss my lederhosen covered ass. Ribery isn't going anywhere.

Probably not, but I'm sure United will make enquiries and if they flash enough of the Ronaldo cash, maybe Bayern will be tempted.

The transfer wont hurt Madrid in the least. at least financially it wont and more than likely it will only help us in the sports department. When Becks left we lost over 80 million Euro's in commercial revenue. If this guys makes it in with us we will not only regain that but the money in shirt sales alone will probably make up for his transfer fee...We just spent 110 mill last year and we are getting ready to doze out over 100 again, that tells me we are in pretty good financial standing...our squad is young (second youngest in Europe), it is hungry and with Ronaldo we should have just enough class to get over the CL hump and lift our 10th

Probably not, but I'm sure United will make enquiries and if they flash enough of the Ronaldo cash, maybe Bayern will be tempted.

It's one thing to sell Hargreaves, it's another thing entirely to sell Ribery, who is just now entering his prime, and along with Toni is the only reason we had a good team this year. Plus he's only been at Bayern for a year, next summer it's possible, but the most likely scenario for me would be Bayern selling him after WC 2010 when his price is it's highest.

i dont believe anyone is claiming he would make us worse....the implication is however that Ronaldo is very much like the Galacticos that we came to dislike so much because of their lack of fight and compromise with the club. We are afraid that Ronaldo would act that way

i think with Ronaldo, lack of fight is the last thing you guys should expect ;). There is no doubt that when he is on the pitch, he gives his all for 90 minutes.

Mikey, what you are seeing from Ronaldo now, is the end product of what you sycophantic Man U fans have made him.

He has always been arrogant, selfish, vain and self opinionated, but you the fans, have revelled in those negatives and up to now have seen them as positives. When everyone else was calling him the prick that he is, you lot just refused to see it and worshipped him like a god, accusing everyone else of petty prejudices for reasons that did not ring true.

He is a pretty good player, not as great as he is made out to be for sure, but still pretty good, but you lot have put him on a higher pedistal than he deserves. He has sucked up all your praise, adulation, and fanatical ass licking, and he has fed his ego with it. Now he is so full of it, that he can now tell you all to fu<k off. He is telling you all that you and your club mean nothing.

Man U was never important for Ronaldo, everyone else but you lot always knew that. The only thing important to Ronaldo has always been Ronaldo, and nothing else.

He is a mercenary, like a lot of today's self appointed "superstars". Why should your club be so different from any other club, that you are shocked that someone could be doing this to you?

We have seen Man U do the dirty on many players over the years, usually due to ol' red nose feeling threatened by them. Man U have also over the years tapped up and tempted players away from their clubs to join United. Why is it OK to do it to others but sacriligious to have it done to you?

Even in this thread, Man U fans are talikng about stealing players from other clubs to replace Ronaldo, as if you have the god given right to whoever you want, regardless of the other clubs feelings about it, or indeed the other clubs fans feelings about it.

This episode is a perfect example of why Manchester United are regarded by other clubs, as an arrogant club with many arrogant fans.

For some reason Man U fans are surprised that a player would behave like this towards their club. You have to accept that Ronaldo used your club as a stepping stone to better things (at least in his mind). Sure it must come as a shock that your club is not the most desirable club to play for, because obviously you think it is. That's because most Man U fans seem not to live in the real world like the rest of us, but see themselves as something far removed from the rest of the footballing world.

I want to make this clear. This is not a sniping attack on Man U, and I am also NOT gloating about it. I actually think its a despicable way for a player to treat his club and the fans. I also know what it feels like too, but perhaps (although I doubt it), this might make some Man U fans appreciate that the world does not revolve around Manchester United. Your world might, but not the world that the rest of us (including egotistical self seeking mercenaries) inhabit.

:mike:

post of the year!!!

I was literally going to write something like this but you beat me to it.

mercinary :) thats exactly how you should describe a lot of the players today. going here and their looking after just themselves and looking to earn as much money as possible.

People were blinded by the hype from this man and have refused to see when people like me call him overrated, its not me hating.

Look at euro 2008 for example, people think portugal will win SIMPLY BECAUSE OF RONALDO :eek: people who think this clearly have not seen just how badly portugal have been playing lately. i personally think portugal will struggle to get out of the group imo.

any back on topic. Take cesc fabregas for example, his dream is to play for barcelona at some stage of his career. what i love is every single time rumors surface of madrid or barca making enquirys about him hes says he wants to stay. and kills the rumors dead (until in 6 months time when they come back)

what has this guy c. ronaldo done? After the first 3 average seasons and a disgracefull world cup. they stuck by him. even though he wanted to go and escape all the hate, they persuaded him to stay.

the last two seasons the way united have played has got the best and more out of ronaldo, the club and fans now idolise him but yet he decides when they need him to decide his future and yet he see where the moneys at (real madrid) and decides he wants to go there.

right now i think he wants to go to madrid but hes mulling over if united will offer him more cash or some sort of royalties.

You are so biased, i'm speechless.

Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand have come out and said that he should stay. Well, if a whole bunch of players do this, it might convince him to make a u-turn and stay with you guys.

i think with Ronaldo, lack of fight is the last thing you guys should expect ;). There is no doubt that when he is on the pitch, he gives his all for 90 minutes.

how can anyone take this comment seriously :clapwap:

Gary Neville and Rio Ferdinand have come out and said that he should stay. Well, if a whole bunch of players do this, it might convince him to make a u-turn and stay with you guys.

In the long term i can't see that as being of any use in terms of taking Man utd. forward.
How can a team function on and off the pitch when it takes 10+ players to beg one player to stay - if Ronaldo's ego got any bigger it would need its own postcode. If he stays under those circumstances it will be like he's doing everyone at the club a massive favour.

how can anyone take this comment seriously :clapwap:

same way that anyone can't take you seriously

Cristiano is being quoted in Marca as saying he hasn't made a decision and won't until after Euro 08.

I was listening to Gary Cook (new executive chairman with City) and who is a former Nike executive - sounds like there is a chance that the 25 million pound deal with Nike could be in jeopardy if Ronaldo leaves - so there is a further twist in the tale. That would have to be dealt with as part of any transfer...

Here's the article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1024801/Real-scupper-Ronaldos-25m-Nike-deal.html

It's also being said that United could suspend him without pay, if he continues with his threat to go on strike.

...wait, according to that he hasn't submitted a transfer request yet. with his quote about "I'll move to madrid if United would accept the pay" or whatever, shouldn't he have done that already? this whole situation is really messed up.

He came out after Portugal's game and said he was "undecided" and that he would not talk until after Euro 08. Personally I think perhaps it's time United made the decision for him - it's making United look stupid.

THats just itching for a reply from a City fan (H)

THats just itching for a reply from a City fan (H)

And there it is. :rofl:

The Nike side of the deal intrigues me - I didn't think they'd be happy if their football brand leader joined a team synonymous with adidas. Kind of like the Beckham situation in reverse (adidas wanted Becks to move from United)

The day that football is dictated by sponsors not wanting their sponsored players to play for teams sponsored by competitors would be a very VERY sad day.

The day that football is dictated by sponsors not wanting their sponsored players to play for teams sponsored by competitors would be a very VERY sad day.

you need to wake up and smell the coffee. its happening RIGHT NOW, and has been for a few years at least.

same way that anyone can't take you seriously

So you expect people like me not to laugh at you and simply pass you off as a little stupid fanboy who exited about watching a few ronaldo compilations and the rubbish the media talk?

Its really bad some fanboy thinks he can get away with making stupid comments like that.

OOHH WOW i have 6 green bars and a big post count.that means i automaticlly talk sense

Now why don't go away you focus on your SATS, you need good grades to get into secoundary school, but since your a idiot why don't you try playing a game called lying in the middle of the road and not moving for a day

but since your a idiot why don't you try playing a game called lying in the middle of the road and not moving for a day

sorry I just found that funny

So you expect people like me not to laugh at you and simply pass you off as a little stupid fanboy who exited about watching a few ronaldo compilations and the rubbish the media talk?

Its really bad some fanboy thinks he can get away with making stupid comments like that.

OOHH WOW i have 6 green bars and a big post count.that means i automaticlly talk sense

Now why don't go away you focus on your SATS, you need good grades to get into secoundary school, but since your a idiot why don't you try playing a game called lying in the middle of the road and not moving for a day

LOL, there is so much i could say, but i'll refrain myself to save you some embarassement. All i can say is that your Arsenal glasses are WAYYYYYYY too pink.








Oh and talking about my education, i attend a post secondary institution and currently on a work term at an investment bank called Deutsche Bank Securities located in the second largest financial industry in North America, so lets save ourselfs from the personal stuff, shall we?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1274830.ece

the sun really do try and twist everything to sell papers, now they think they have got proof of real madrid trying to tapp up ronaldo.

1 it was walter di salvo a finess coach not a board director or anything like that.

2 he wa at united before and is a close freind of ronaldo.

3 they have no proof of what was said, it was just freinds meeting eachother and saying hello.

united have no proof as we havnt done anything wrong, most of it has been paper talk and nothing more.

anyway its hypecriticall of them to report us hopefully everyother club that they have done this to will report them as well.

lol, the sun is as bad as Marca if not worse man...I am surprised they call themselves a newsource....pathetic

Ok, lets get this straight. The only words anyone has actually heard Ronaldo say was "I stay!" right after the Champs final. since then i have seen nothing from Ronaldo other than a piss off Im trying to get ready for a big tournament.

Everything else has come from Pro-Madrid press. They want Ronaldo, they are the only people responsible for this circus. I have no issue with the Madrid staff answering questions put too them by the media, which is what they have been doing.

whether or not Marca like Calderon is irrelevant, they like Madrid and they want Ronaldo playing there. They also know that the club wants him too and might be willing to fork over the stupid cash required to get Man Utd too sell.

Are there pay offs with large sums of cash in little paper bags? probably not, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they are reporting this bull**** as fact and Marca should be held accountable for that. but UEFA and FIFA have no jurisdiction over Marca other than they could deny Marca press passes to any football under their sphere of influence, either way they need to be pulled up for this crap they are pulling.

Now this isn't to say that other teams haven't done the very same thing or other newspapers haven't. but what is worrying is the way its is starting to blow out of all proportions. we need to put a stop to this, its not good for the clubs, players or fans. you just need to look at these boards to see how its blow up. I dont want bull****, i want the truth.

**posted in Man Utd team thread as well.**

Ok, lets get this straight. The only words anyone has actually heard Ronaldo say was "I stay!" right after the Champs final. since then i have seen nothing from Ronaldo other than a piss off Im trying to get ready for a big tournament.

Everything else has come from Pro-Madrid press. They want Ronaldo, they are the only people responsible for this circus. I have no issue with the Madrid staff answering questions put too them by the media, which is what they have been doing.

whether or not Marca like Calderon is irrelevant, they like Madrid and they want Ronaldo playing there. They also know that the club wants him too and might be willing to fork over the stupid cash required to get Man Utd too sell.

Are there pay offs with large sums of cash in little paper bags? probably not, but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they are reporting this bull**** as fact and Marca should be held accountable for that. but UEFA and FIFA have no jurisdiction over Marca other than they could deny Marca press passes to any football under their sphere of influence, either way they need to be pulled up for this crap they are pulling.

Now this isn't to say that other teams haven't done the very same thing or other newspapers haven't. but what is worrying is the way its is starting to blow out of all proportions. we need to put a stop to this, its not good for the clubs, players or fans. you just need to look at these boards to see how its blow up. I dont want bull****, i want the truth.

**posted in Man Utd team thread as well.**


That was well said, and part of the reason I started this thread was to hear sensible opinions like have been put here.

That's part of the reason I post here, because the people on this forum largely talk sense.

Well let us revisit your statement there. That is not the only thing he has said on the matter ok, that is the only thing which apparently a number of Man U fans choose to hear. I still find incomprehensible, that you guys dont look at one single determining factor.....He could have ended this A LONG TIME AGO!... but he has chosen not to, truly he is playing games with all the parties involved as far as i am concerned....like for example, in the LIVE press conference yesterday he said when asked if he liked the uni's Portugal wore "I like wearing white....in the national team" He has shown himself ironic and rather silly about the matter, waiting for God know's what, instead of just saying it outright, yes, I want to stay in Manchester.....

like I have said before, last summer things with Kaka were the same way, and Marca would do this and that, and guess what? Kaka himself came out and clearly said (early on!) I am staying in Milan, no thanks...that is all Ronaldo has to do so that we can ALL move on to the other important matters at hand...


also I hear Man U have placed offers on the table for Robihno 45 mill and Sergio Ramos for 65 Mill...hear anything about that?

also I hear Man U have placed offers on the table for Robihno 45 mill and Sergio Ramos for 65 Mill...hear anything about that?

BBC say according to reports in Spain, United have/will insist on Robinho and Ramos as part of any deal for Cristiano (if indeed they feel it is best to let him go) But I stress this is paper talk. And if United did accept a swap - I'd want them to get Wesley Sneijder too!

Kaka said on Italian radio last week that he would welcome the chance to play for Man Utd - of course Milan slapped a "not for sale" notice on him immediately - paper talk again probably. Although if a radio interview did take place then there will be a tape somewhere.

Also about Cristiano, the fact he's joking like that clearly suggests to me he has no idea of what he's doing to Man Utd and it's fans. I agree he should have said categorically whether he's staying or going. That's what annoys me.

Now this isn't to say that other teams haven't done the very same thing or other newspapers haven't. but what is worrying is the way its is starting to blow out of all proportions. we need to put a stop to this, its not good for the clubs, players or fans. you just need to look at these boards to see how its blow up. I dont want bull****, i want the truth.


By other teams, I presume you also mean Manchester United too.

What puzzles me though about your rant, is that it's only now, now that your club looks like losing the player that IS your team, that suddenly you are angry and sick and tired of these underhand dealings. That is hypocrisy of the highest order mate. You didn't care a sh1t when your club were at it, but now you think it has to stop.

If your stance was not so patheticly transparent, it would be funny mate.

Ronaldo could have stopped all this crap before it had even started, if he had wanted to remain at Man U. He could have said "I am going nowhere", and that would have killed the momentum that Marca for instance, latched onto.

Ronaldo is messing with everyone in this situation, and is showing NO respect to his club or his clubs fans. He has indeed stated that he does want to play for Real Madrid, and from his own lips, we have heard that. So, the villian of the piece here is Ronaldo. He is everything that you knew he was but would not admit to yourselves, and he is taking Man U and their fans for <unts.

He is the one to be angry with, instead of blaming it all on a Real Madrid fanzine like Marca. Get real FFS.

You must have just missed my earlier post!

We posted at the same time Mikey. Sorry 'bout that man. :)

We posted at the same time Mikey. Sorry 'bout that man. :)

I figured that's what happened - unless you ignore me deliberately :D

hahahahahaaaaa....nah I wouldn't do that mate. I like you too much for that.(Y)

not to try and enforce my 'expertise' like footbal fans like doing, but if a player wants to go you should say thank you and fvck off, rather than let them make a mockery of generations of pro footballers that have helped establish a legacy of a football club. Thgat is presuming he wants to go and isnt just manipulating the situation in order to get an improved contract at United

By other teams, I presume you also mean Manchester United too.

yes, and Chelsea too, but to a greater extent of course.

What puzzles me though about your rant, is that it's only now, now that your club looks like losing the player that IS your team, that suddenly you are angry and sick and tired of these underhand dealings. That is hypocrisy of the highest order mate. You didn't care a sh1t when your club were at it, but now you think it has to stop.

If your stance was not so patheticly transparent, it would be funny mate.

Freaking A, i don't mind selling players, but only players we want to. In all Honesty Madrid would have been better just approaching Man Utd with an offer they cant refuse. and i have never cared for the media circus that is closed season and international comp's. just cuz i never posted about it before or never ranted about it here doesn't mean i am a hypocrite.

Ronaldo could have stopped all this crap before it had even started, if he had wanted to remain at Man U. He could have said "I am going nowhere", and that would have killed the momentum that Marca for instance, latched onto.

when has Ronaldo ever done that? Never. i expect it from him. what i cant understand is all crap marca can stir up.


Pede, whats really pathetically transparent is your A.B.U. tendency's, First Loser, 2 Times, 1 season. Eat me. Jez sore losers, man have we manufactured many of those.

I think he will move on to real. Scolari signing at chelsea kinda proves this.

P.S. I doubt he would have been able to remotely come close again to an saison like the last one. I mean he played very good,no doubt. But some goals...come on...looked like god helped a little bit.Ronaldo himself didnt seem to have no idea how i made it :) He had quite a streak. So changing the league might not be the baddest idea, allthough his behaviour according a change is not really the best. But lets face it...the MANU fans never really loved him. And we all know why.

Thats not true, of course they like him they were the only people who did when the nation was against him. The guys done wonders the last couple of season's.

And he wont be going anywhere, he cant. And if he declares after the world cup that he wants too, which i'm sure he wont due to the fact he has a contract with united and annoucing something like that would really cause problems for him over the next season. It will be like the hargreeves insident, he will stay at united atleast one season longer before the bullet is bite. Although inspite saying that they will never get as much money from him as they would do now. From a buisness point of view I could see them letting him go? Maybe?

I'd take a guess though with there being no world cup next year and people whispering things in his ear for an extended time, the fact the english press will be bigging him up when he wins world player of the year etc lots of factors like the portugal coach coming over, sponsors etc that will encourage him to stay which I suspect "might" make him stay a further season or 2.

End of the day, he has always said it would be his dream to play at madrid. Hes always maintained that. It would be a shame too see him go, hes a great player, hes had his lows at the club and the last couple of season his high's. He will leave at some point and when that happens I'll wish him the best. Hes done us good, especially this season.

When he goes I look forward too who we replace him with, we could effectivly buy anyone with the kind of money being talked about. Will be sure hard to replace him though, but we have done it time and time again when great players have left or retired and i'm sure we will do it again and be champions with or without him.

Next season sure going to be interesting, maybe even tighter then last season. Cant wait! Back to back euro champions would be amazing for us we have the rotation to do it again. Possible at a bigger advantage to win it again next season with the added strikers. Using Rooney and tevez all season has had limmiting factors.

The press are at it again. They claim Real Madrid will make a £75M offer straight to the Glazer family for Ronaldo.

The Star are trying to suggest that Chelsea will go for Robinho - but the Times suggests United have made an offer for Sergio Ramos.


In other news any information about this new kid we got from Roma?

OK, I have agreat question/comment. Fergie has always kicked out players who pretend to be bigger than the club and who disrespect. As far as Im concerned, Ronaldo fit that bill perfectly. Now question is, has Fergie finally swallowed his pride/unwritten code about kicking people out who pretend to be bigger than Utd? Seems like he is kneeling down to Ronaldo. And seems as if if Ronaldo werent the best player in the world now, he would have said "It's time to go son" a long time ago.

I think the reason Ferguson wants to keep Ronaldo still is because Ronaldo never questioned United's winning abilities when he wasn't playing and also because he doesn't wave arms around or storms down into the changing room when being substituted, unlike Beckham and van Nistelrooy did. Infact the closest Ronaldo came to saying that he is bigger than United is when he said that he is "probably the best player in the world right now". He wants to play for Real and that's it. He never said or acted in a way to show that he or Real Madrid for that matter are bigger than United.

I think the reason Ferguson wants to keep Ronaldo still is because Ronaldo never questioned United's winning abilities when he wasn't playing and also because he doesn't wave arms around or storms down into the changing room when being substituted, unlike Beckham and van Nistelrooy did. Infact the closest Ronaldo came to saying that he is bigger than United is when he said that he is "probably the best player in the world right now". He wants to play for Real and that's it. He never said or acted in a way to show that he or Real Madrid for that matter are bigger than United.

yep but he cant do this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8Yf2kB29g

A couple more news....

FIFA has turned down the Man U denouncement of Real Madrid saying there is no evidence they have signed an agreement with Ronaldo or have broken Ronaldo's current contract.....also I read somewhere that English tabloids where saying that Fergie told the Glazers that if they sell Ronaldo he'll retire early....any truth to that?

lastest rumors I hear is 50 million Euros plus Robihno....is going to be the offer Madrid makes to the Glazers directly

LOL, there is so much i could say, but i'll refrain myself to save you some embarassement. All i can say is that your Arsenal glasses are WAYYYYYYY too pink.








Oh and talking about my education, i attend a post secondary institution and currently on a work term at an investment bank called Deutsche Bank Securities located in the second largest financial industry in North America, so lets save ourselfs from the personal stuff, shall we?

OHHH LOOK AT ME, IM IN SECOUNDARY SCHOOL AND I WORK AT A BANK IM A GENUIS. :eek:

clown :willis: on your advatar it says help, i suggest you get some quick!

anyone can get a job at a bank, my friend whos no genius go one after he droped out of six form.

Again, any 'dig' is deemed jealously. This is not taking into account that i like a lot of manchester united players such as fredinand, rooney, tevez and ji sung park. no if you dont like ronaldo, your just jealous.

If i was jealous again, explain to me why i like rooney, rio, ji sung and tevez??? i mean they do play for united aswell :rolleyes:

yep but he cant do this :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8Yf2kB29g

He can't do a lot of things

OHHH LOOK AT ME, IM IN SECOUNDARY SCHOOL AND I WORK AT A BANK IM A GENUIS. :eek:

clown :willis: on your advatar it says help, i suggest you get some quick!

anyone can get a job at a bank, my friend whos no genius go one after he droped out of six form.

Don't want to get into your argument but would like to point out he said post secondary institution not secondary school. Post secondary in America is like what we call higher education, Bachelor level or equivalent. e.g. he's doing a degree in probably something like Maths. The fact he's been accepted to do a year in industry at the second largest bank in north America would suggest he's rather smart & not a drop out from six form as your insinuating. Finding decent placements are no easy task.

I'd also suggest you stop mocking people's education and take a look at yours.

He can't do a lot of things

aye, but has been the highest goal scorer in pretty much every competition he's been in this season. He can do that well.

OHHH LOOK AT ME, IM IN SECOUNDARY SCHOOL AND I WORK AT A BANK IM A GENUIS. :eek:

clown :willis: on your advatar it says help, i suggest you get some quick!

anyone can get a job at a bank, my friend whos no genius go one after he droped out of six form.



Wow, i'll just leave it, wow i'm totally speechless. You are just making yourself look more of a fool with every post and digging a huge whole for yourself down here. I don't even want to know what kind of investment bank hires 6th year drop-outs or for what kind of positions for that matter.


Anyway, you can't appreciate the skill Ronaldo has put on for the fans this season, then just leave, best advice i can give you right now, just forget about this whole topic.

Wow, i'll just leave it, wow i'm totally speechless. You are just making yourself look more of a fool with every post and digging a huge whole for yourself down here. I don't even want to know what kind of investment bank hires 6th year drop-outs or for what kind of positions for that matter.


Anyway, you can't appreciate the skill Ronaldo has put on for the fans this season, then just leave, best advice i can give you right now, just forget about this whole topic.

People do this a lot, make out the other guy is crazy when they know they are wrong and can't come back with anything of substance. dont be surpised to see him make another silly reply saying "OMG, YOU ARE JUST LIKE SOO DUM I CAN SAY NOTHING"

I dont care about your job, if you want to act like your smart simply because you work for a bank, go on. Again, i really didn't know working for a bank makes you a genuis :eek:

No i dont see why i should appreciate someone whos diving is an integral part of his game, does next to nothing for his team and only thinks of himself, shows no respect to anyone even his own club and has no real personallity of any worth hes only intrested in his own hype. No i not 7 years old and blined by his hype and all his fake tan no.

42 goals? well done, not many players score that in a season, then again not many players of any self worth are so dam selfish. Thats all he deserves. Look at him now, hes keeping his club on hold THE SAME CLUB WHO STOOD BY HIM WHEN THE WHOLE OF ENGLAND WANTED HIS HEAD To go where the moneys at.

There are too many idiots here like you who ruin any meaningful debate on here about football

Don't want to get into your argument but would like to point out he said post secondary institution not secondary school. Post secondary in America is like what we call higher education, Bachelor level or equivalent. e.g. he's doing a degree in probably something like Maths. The fact he's been accepted to do a year in industry at the second largest bank in north America would suggest he's rather smart & not a drop out from six form as your insinuating. Finding decent placements are no easy task.

I'd also suggest you stop mocking people's education and take a look at yours.



aye, but has been the highest goal scorer in pretty much every competition he's been in this season. He can do that well.

Good for him is hes doing a degree, does it make him superior to everyone else one??? Or does it make him a silly arrogant wasteman.

Again ronaldos goals, does he score them because hes that good or is it more because hes plaing at united and everyone is making him look good.

He wouldn't even get 10 if he played for someone like Spurs or Blackburn

Goddamn, you are so ignorant its not even funny. First you call me a stupid fanboy that needs to study for his SATS to get into college. Then you say that i talk nonsense, then that i'm in secondary school and call myself "a genius" (notice how you said it not me), then you call me jealous, then you call me silly arrogant wasteman, then an idiot AND on top of that you FORCE me prove to you that i'm not an idiot and after i do, you attack me for proving it to you! While calling me all of those things it seems like you can't tell a difference between secondary and post-secondary school and don't know what's the difference between a commercial bank and investment bank or what securities are for that matter.

And that's not even the best part! The best part is that in the middle of all this the only thing that i said about you is having Arsenal-coloured glasses and called you ignorant in this post right here.

You gotta learn how to talk to people man, so much attack and i didn't even say anything back. Sounds like you don't know when to stop and hate it when people disagree with you. Why am i even talking to you, you keep putting words in my mouth and then attacking me for them as if i said it. Does a meaningful debate between you and other people include everybody agreeing to what you have to say and those that don't you talking **** about any way possible? Because to me a meaningful debate means that somebody will come in, disagree with my opinion and state their FACTS why while having an open-mind at the same time. Which is really all you had to do is say, "i disagree that Ronaldo gives 100% all the time on the field because of this and that", not "YOU ******* DUMB IDIOT, GO STUDY, YOU DON'T KNOW ****, GEEZ CAN'T PEOPLE HAVE A NORMAL DISCUSSION AROUND HERE?"

I think Fergie is really stressing this too much. If Cristiano wants to go, let him go! Geeez, next thing you know he;s gonn aput agun to his head. How funny, Fergie is threatening to quit if he's sold! I guess Cristiano is bigger than Man Utd. afterall by the looks of this.

Where did you read Ferguson threatening to quit? Ferguson doesn't want to sell him for obvious reasons, but at the same time he can just be like "yeah whatever, you can have him" because that would put the ball in Real's court and give them a chance to negotiate a reduced price. But if United acts like they don't want to sell him for anything in the world, then they are kinda keeping it high, to make sure that they get the most out of it. Remember how much Leeds was getting for players they wanted to keep and how much they were getting for players once they were forced to sell?

Where did you read Ferguson threatening to quit?

here (http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=738793)

but that's just journalists making **** up like in 99.99% of the articles, they either make assumptions themselves or put the quote marks and write **** in and say a source said it, or they twist and turn every single syllable out of some interview 5 years ago. I will not bother thinking about this until the season starts and i see him wearing red or white.

its all coming from the daily express. Like anything else, will believe it when I see it or actually hear him say it

I'm supporting Germany on Thursday - Portugal will be out and this can be resolved.

Good for him is hes doing a degree, does it make him superior to everyone else one??? Or does it make him a silly arrogant wasteman.

Again ronaldos goals, does he score them because hes that good or is it more because hes plaing at united and everyone is making him look good.

He wouldn't even get 10 if he played for someone like Spurs or Blackburn

I had thought that maybe the case myself. That its the players around him that lead him to excel. He obviously talented but I some what agree. The fact he's scored 1 goal so far sort of supports that. Considering before the Euro's he was getting at least 1 goal a game. But there again you have to remember he didn't play the last game being rested.

I guess the biggest test will be when he goes back to Manchester, will his goal form start to come back etc

Goddamn, you are so ignorant its not even funny. First you call me a stupid fanboy that needs to study for his SATS to get into college. Then you say that i talk nonsense, then that i'm in secondary school and call myself "a genius" (notice how you said it not me), then you call me jealous, then you call me silly arrogant wasteman, then an idiot AND on top of that you FORCE me prove to you that i'm not an idiot and after i do, you attack me for proving it to you! While calling me all of those things it seems like you can't tell a difference between secondary and post-secondary school and don't know what's the difference between a commercial bank and investment bank or what securities are for that matter.

And that's not even the best part! The best part is that in the middle of all this the only thing that i said about you is having Arsenal-coloured glasses and called you ignorant in this post right here.

You gotta learn how to talk to people man, so much attack and i didn't even say anything back. Sounds like you don't know when to stop and hate it when people disagree with you. Why am i even talking to you, you keep putting words in my mouth and then attacking me for them as if i said it. Does a meaningful debate between you and other people include everybody agreeing to what you have to say and those that don't you talking **** about any way possible? Because to me a meaningful debate means that somebody will come in, disagree with my opinion and state their FACTS why while having an open-mind at the same time. Which is really all you had to do is say, "i disagree that Ronaldo gives 100% all the time on the field because of this and that", not "YOU ******* DUMB IDIOT, GO STUDY, YOU DON'T KNOW ****, GEEZ CAN'T PEOPLE HAVE A NORMAL DISCUSSION AROUND HERE?"

Can you read?, i said i dont care about your education. What the hell are you on about in the first paragrah. i didnt call you jealous where the hell did you get that from.

now you either didn't read what i posted or your trying to twist things. You posted two replys saying im really biased and no one can take me serouisly. and you expected me to simply shut up and say nothing :rolleyes:

this last post here is you just crying. but this argument is stupid and im fed up with talking about c ronaldo, hes an overrated cheap rent boy whos really not worth our time.

Ok, can we end the argument now? I'd rather not take the approach I usually use in the Fifa forums where I edit the text of the arguments, I would like to think that we are mature enough in this forum to have a difference of opinion without resorting to name calling.

Chill, please.

Can you read?, i said i dont care about your education.

And i never said you did. I said that you don't know the difference between university and high school.


What the hell are you on about in the first paragrah. i didnt call you jealous where the hell did you get that from.

As i was writing dozens of insults hurled at me, i saw the "any dig is deemed jealousy" comment and stuck it in there, but my bad, that was the one that really wasn't part of the 10 others personal attacks.


now you either didn't read what i posted or your trying to twist things. You posted two replys saying im really biased and no one can take me serouisly. and you expected me to simply shut up and say nothing :rolleyes:


As if saying Ronaldo had 3 average seasons and a disgraceful world cup is not biased. 12 goals and 7 assists in 2006, 23 goals and 20 assists in 2007 and 48 goals and 8 assists in 2008, plus 21 goals for Portugal in 4 years is very average for a winger isn't it? Wonder how many wingers in the world are there with the same stats, must be plenty.
And no i most certainly did not expected you to shut up. I expected you to comeback with your reasoning and rationale for why you think Ronaldo had 3 average seasons, rather than saying that "nobody can take my comments seriously". But apparently you misunderstood that part and decided to take it to a whole new level and launch a herd of attacks on my character, personality and intelligence. And even after I told you to leave the personal stuff out of it you still decided to go on.



this last post here is you just crying.
No i wasn't crying, would you like me to put in a bunch of smiley faces and rolleyes to send the message about my mood a bit clearer?



Anyway, i'm glad that from your last post you matured a little bit and not acting like a little kid at the playground anymore, so how about we discuss why Ronaldo is overrated and what would constitute as a good season for a winger in your eyes then, shall we?

How about you guys quit it? A constructive argument is one thing, but if you are going to act like children, rest assured you will be treated that way.

Yeah Its ended thats it, all ronaldo fans are the same anyway, always facts, he scored x amount of goals, then never metion in most of these games all he does is score, he dosen't work for the team or behave in a sesible correct manor which is respected in the beautifull game, i feel passionate about football its sad people judge players on facts rather than the beauty and respect they display on the pitch.

I ask, football may need radical changes in the coming years. I dont like how football is a the top anymore. is becoming a playgroud for fame and hard nosed buisnessmen looking to make profit :(

Yeah Its ended thats it, all ronaldo fans are the same anyway, always facts, he scored x amount of goals, then never metion in most of these games all he does is score, he dosen't work for the team or behave in a sesible correct manor which is respected in the beautifull game, i feel passionate about football its sad people judge players on facts rather than the beauty and respect they display on the pitch.

I ask, football may need radical changes in the coming years. I dont like how football is a the top anymore. is becoming a playgroud for fame and hard nosed buisnessmen looking to make profit :(

In the first 2 years at United Ronaldo was playing more of a midfielder role rather than a winger and he was coming back to defend every single time. He would get the ball near his own box and run it down the line to the opposite box so fast that nobody could catch up to him. It was immature but with his experience it was understandable, but he was always up there at the back and up there at the front. Whenever he would get tackled, he would get right back up and ask for the ball again and again. The fact that he doesn't comeback as many times as he used to is because Ferguson moved him into a more forward role and relieved him of some defending duties after seeing that pay dividends for Portugal. Its the exact same thing with Rooney, he used to be coming back almost every time when playing behind Ruud or Saha, but then once United's defense got stronger with Vidic and Evra stepping up to the plate, we didn't need Rooney at the back as much as we needed him to stay up front. That's why people might think that Ronaldo doesn't try hard because he doesn't run up and down the line constantly, its all the instructions from Ferguson and Quieroz and as you can see with the amount of goals and assists Ronaldo got in the last 2 seasons, its exactly what they were looking for.

So no, i don't think that Ronaldo gives his all just because he got over 60 goals and 25 assists in the last two years. I think that because i have been watching him for 5 years and i am very well aware of how he plays and how he can play, just like you are much more aware of Fabregas' play than i am.

Not sure if this is old news but FIFA have asked the Spanish FA to have words with Real. - http://www.teamtalk.com/football/story/0,16368,1778_3700924,00.html

The sun are saying owners, the glazer that ron is not for sale. Not sure how reliable that is coming from the sun but they have direct quotes. - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1305404.ece

I guess if the owners and SAF have both said he's not going, he's not going. Glazers said there complying with SAF's directions so unless SAF changes his mind about wanting him, he's staying.

The thing that confuses me Ron must have spoke with SAF or someone from the club explaining this so why isn't he just coming out and saying it. The lad ain't stupid. This must be to do with wages up until 2012.

After all Ron himself has never said anything about leaving. He was quoted of saying "I Stay" just after they won Europe everything after that has been nonsense. He may have reiterated the fact he wants to move to Real when he's done in Manchester, i.e after 2012. He may also have left comments wide open too speculation but he's never said he will move now. After the Euro's I can see him giving a statement saying just that. But again why all the perlava. It has to be to do with wages or another angle I'm not seeing. It all seems a bit immature or maybe very smart move by agents.

I read somewhere SAF saying they may need to bump his wages to keep him happy in staying, I assume for any chance of them keeping him after 2012. So I guess its working, if that statements true.

*edit*

just been thinking as I've been reading around about the situation. It would seem its easy to put an impression on the lad? Remember after the world cup he was like I'm leaving. Then he had a chat with a few people then decided to stay even when practically the whole nation was hating him? If he can be convinced to stay after that it would seem to me he can be convinced into a great lot of things.

i.e. agent says lets do this to bump your wages

i.e. He's away on Euro duty, speaking with NT mates who are probably be saying things, national coach hitting he should move to real etc.

He then comes back to Manchester, has a word with SAF and co "yeah I'm staying."

Young, impressionable, needs direction, Father figures, confused are words that spring to mind. Things like that nike advert also spring to mind where he goes off on a hissy fit because the speed radar ain't picking up his kicks right.

anyway I'm ranting, but I feel more inclined that he's potentially staying.

How the **** do you guys still have doubts about the fact that this entire **** is caused by agents?

first time I thought about it, not sure about everyone else. Impressionable lad with wage tactics seems to hit the nail on the head. The fact he has a contract till 2012, the fact ron knows this and only just agreed to it would suggest a great deal of time was spent on thinking when would be the right time for the next move i.e in 4 years time and then the fact SAF and glazers have said he's not going with a string of other people like his mom supports this. It would seem like his agents said be vague and say nothing to try scare for wage increase?

How the **** do you guys still have doubts about the fact that this entire **** is caused by agents?

And the media. But then Ronaldo is a 23 year old adult with a mind of his own. What annoys me is why he feels there is a decision to be made at all - he signed up for five years last summer!

I want to change my mobile phone but I signed a contract and I have to let it run out first - that's exactly how football contracts should be seen.

But then as I said before, if he is pining for Madrid - then he's not committed to United, and if that's the case we should get rid before he possibly poisons Nani or Anderson's opinions too.

I hope that crazy Calderon is not going to buy "the diva"

"As soon as he says he wants to play for Real Madrid, there will be conversations," Madrid official Miguel Angel Arroyo told newspaper Marca. He must be a Germany fan........

Well, so much for the saga... Ronaldo will talk more about his future when EURO 2008 is over for Portugal... (which is in another 10 minutes as I type this!)

Its over for them now....let's hear what the man got to say so that we can all move on to the next step....I bet Spanish and English tabloids got wet when Ballack scored and then when the ref blew the wistle they must have all had massive orgasms....They just want to hear Ronaldo so bad...lol

Notice how man united fans want him more than madrid fans do

He will probably now claim that he was misquoted or misunderstood, and he really does love Man U with all his heart forever and ever., but I think he has blown any credibility he once might have had with the Man U fans. The next 24 hours should prove interesting.:innocent_smile_1:

Notice how man united fans want him more than madrid fans do


To be fair snopp, he WAS Manchester United last season. He was magnificent for them with his goals, so it's understandable.

To be fair snopp, he WAS Manchester United last season. He was magnificent for them with his goals, so it's understandable.

Yeah no disputing is fabolous season BUT notice how madrid fans aren't getting all that excited about him going.

When beckham was leaving there were talking to people getting so happy about him coming.

That madrid fan on here dosen't even want him, Dunno what he will say though. i think he'll go since hes messed united around too much for them to really forgive him. I hope he leaves cuz his career will hopefully then go down the pan like many players who go to madrid then people will see him for the clown of a man he is

hold it there sheriff...not every player's career's go down the pan when they come to Madrid, many of them is AFTER they leave Madrid or when they sign for Madrid in untimely manner, IE. Woodgate, Samuel, Owens....players like Ronaldo, Figo Seedorf, Morientes didnt start going down until after they left...Beckham could have played two more years but he went to the MLS, and Ronaldo in only 5 seasons, became the fourth leading scorer in the history of the club.....anyway, we just dont NEED C.Ronaldo...we really dont, we could be fine with other more needed upgrades, plus its too much money too much of a hastle...however, after reading this thread I have to say you are a bit of a hater towards the man, give him his due credit...you might think he's a clown which you are well entitled to but dont dismiss his skills like that, cause he does have them...

Yes he does.

hold it there sheriff...not every player's career's go down the pan when they come to Madrid, many of them is AFTER they leave Madrid or when they sign for Madrid in untimely manner, IE. Woodgate, Samuel, Owens....players like Ronaldo, Figo Seedorf, Morientes didnt start going down until after they left...Beckham could have played two more years but he went to the MLS, and Ronaldo in only 5 seasons, became the fourth leading scorer in the history of the club.....anyway, we just dont NEED C.Ronaldo...we really dont, we could be fine with other more needed upgrades, plus its too much money too much of a hastle...however, after reading this thread I have to say you are a bit of a hater towards the man, give him his due credit...you might think he's a clown which you are well entitled to but dont dismiss his skills like that, cause he does have them...

It is 100% true you dont need him, i said at the start this is a political move, this is real wanting to make money out of shirt sales etc....

I didn't mean players like beckham, i ment players like cassano, portillo etc.. players who simply got too excited at the though of playing for madrid.

there are a lot of good players out there, take nicolus anelka for example, but yet their minds are weak and they act like clowns :)

everyone knows hes a good player, would you call him someone personally you could look up to?

well since you put it that way, then yes I agree with you 100%...He might show himself to be a clown, for our sake I hope that he doesnt, and that instead he turns into another Zidane hell even Becks he did great for us, too bad he fell out with Capello, he would still be here....al that of course IF we get him and I kind of hope we dont

“Nos próximos dias falo. As possibilidades de ir para Madrid são grandes mas não depende de mim. Vamos ver nos próximos dias.”

(I'll talk in the next days. The possibilities of going to Madrid are big, but it's not up to me. We'll see in the next few days.)



So, after his worst performances on a major tournament, he's prepared to do what could be he's worst career move. Somebody get this man smart people to be around him.

See this is what I dont like, a lot of Man U fans act like if leaving Man U is equal to suicide, I mean there are other teams besides Man U you know. Some players have other teams they favor...I mean really guys. Just because the guy feels he's done at Man U doesnt mean he's the stupidest ever or making "the worst career move" ever...that is just silly

Duuuude hold up I'm no United fan hehe...relax I'm just stating my opinion...

See this is what I dont like, a lot of Man U fans act like if leaving Man U is equal to suicide, I mean there are other teams besides Man U you know. Some players have other teams they favor...I mean really guys. Just because the guy feels he's done at Man U doesnt mean he's the stupidest ever or making "the worst career move" ever...that is just silly

I think it is more about the timing...unfortunately, they're the best team in the world right now.

Ronaldo will decide in the next 2 or 3 days........
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_3712466,00.html

Hey, I've heard that before.............

HOWEVER there's this line from the above article:
When asked if he has made a decision regarding a move to Real, he replied: "No, not yet."

EDIT: Update-----> HERE WE GO
Ronaldo told the Portuguese press that a move to the Bernabeu is a distinct possibility and that further developments are on the horizon.

“In the coming days there might be news,” said Ronaldo.

“The possibilities are great, but it does not depend on me.

“I think there is a specific proposal, let’s see if we reach agreement in the coming days.”

http://www.setantasports.com/en/Sport/News/Football/2008/06/19/Premier-League-Ronaldo-on-future/?facets/sport-space/great-britain-locale/football/

So, after his worst performances on a major tournament, he's prepared to do what could be he's worst career move. Somebody get this man smart people to be around him.

Should have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express

I dont expect Ronaldo to stay at United all his life but I was hoping he stays at least till he is about 25. He is only 23!

to be fair, Owen was great for Madrid but u guys got rid it of him, and he wasn't really injured when he played for ya lot........
and Seedorf going down after leaving Madrid?? lol

(I'll talk in the next days. The possibilities of going to Madrid are big, but it's not up to me. We'll see in the next few days.)



So, after his worst performances on a major tournament, he's prepared to do what could be he's worst career move. Somebody get this man smart people to be around him.

He's probably letting that woman with the big tits that he ****s decide for him.

to be fair, Owen was great for Madrid but u guys got rid it of him, and he wasn't really injured when he played for ya lot........
and Seedorf going down after leaving Madrid?? lol

Actually I stated his move was untimely, He shouldn't have gone to Madrid when he did. There was entirely tooo many forwards when he came and he was deemed surplus. So in a way he did go down, after Madrid his career has never been what it was prior to Madrid, I dont know the reasons why, althougth I dont claim to say that "without Madrid he's nothing" I very much liked Owen and was sad he didnt stay, but there was too much talent in front of him at the time...(kind of like Saviola's case atm). As for Seedorf; he left cause he wanted to, and say what you will he's old, and he never was the Seedorf of old at Milan. Surely even at his lower form he is still one of the best CM in the world even with his age but not the Seedorf of Madrid or prior even...another player whom I fance btw

Duuuude hold up I'm no United fan hehe...relax I'm just stating my opinion...

(Y)I didnt know if you were but I was meaning to put a disclaimer there cause it seems to me you're just a portuguese fan not a Man U fan...anyway, thanks for the clarification

See this is what I dont like, a lot of Man U fans act like if leaving Man U is equal to suicide, I mean there are other teams besides Man U you know. Some players have other teams they favor...I mean really guys. Just because the guy feels he's done at Man U doesnt mean he's the stupidest ever or making "the worst career move" ever...that is just sillyI guess I look at it this way: if you're humble and mature about your intent to leave, then your wishes should be taken seriously and, if you do sign for someone else, then thanks for your time here and good luck in any future endeavors. I feel, for example, (and some may not agree with me on this) that Alan Smith dealt with his transfer very well. A player of his caliber deserved more minutes then he was getting with us and, since he was a leeds boy to begin with, we could never expect him to be as loyal to the club as someone like Brown, Scholes, or Solskjaer. He quietly asked for a transfer without making a big stink of it, and he bled red every time he was called upon us, which is all that we could have asked for.
Van Nistelrooy started to pout and moan when he found himself not in the regular first team, an action that landed him on the outside looking in; his leaving was the best action for both parties. Once it was made clear he didn't fit anymore, though, he left relatively quietly, even sheepishly.
What Ronaldo has done is incite the fans by mocking and belittling the club. If he wants to leave, thats understandable. What I can't accept is his apparent "Madrid will make me more famous" angle, which is both egocentric and delusional. Madrid and United are more or less on the same tier in today's society. Its not the team you play for but your own actions that will make you memorable, especially when you get as high in the rarified atmosphere as those two clubs are.

Lot of talent, but everybody should consider that he reached this level so quick because of a great manager.... I think that he should stay one or two seasons more in MU.... to confirm this perfect season, stay with the fans and prepared them to go to another club!!!!

To be honnest, as a supporter of Arsene Wenger, I would prefer that this great player leave MU....

Do you think that this "transfer saga" has an influence on the results of the national team tonight?

What about Beck's what's you opinion on him?. He is the one Man U icon I never thought would leave ever...and he did...that was a shock to me. ...heck even RVN was shocking to me...He has demonstrated by his last two seasons that he was not done scoring, so you have to agree he was somewhat justified, even if you guys had Rooney and Saha or even C.Ronaldo.....Anyway, my point is, that I guess as you said when a player goes from Say Milan to Madrid or Madrid to Man U there is no drop-off in my eyes, there is no "well he went to a lesser club" they are all great in their own right...But a lot of Man U fans have acted as if, this is a big drop-off or a big step back...I dont agree on how he has handled it all, very 23 year-oldish of him, very childish, not being upfront, but it is his decision ultimately, and that has to be respected I guess

I know almost nobody knew who Bern Schuster was as a manager prior to this season but he showed an uncanny ability to manage personel. He brought the best out of Robihno, Guti and even Raul and God knows how hard it is to get Guti to play consistent or even Robihno, so I feel that in that aspect Schuster would help Ronaldo grow as well...and no I dont think the controversy affected the NT...Portugal had their chances. If Moutihno has scored that early chance the story of the game might have been WAY different

Well that's interesting, he clearly wants to go. I guess its up to SAF now. He's said before he wants to keep him so i wonder if he will stick to that or let him go.

If he sticks to its sure going to be weird having ron around with fans knowing he doesn't want to be there? I can see a few things happening

- SAF will have one of those chats and convince him staying at united will be best

- SAF gets angry and slaps him on the bench like he does proving a point.

- SAF sells him and buys in making the squad stronger

I'm guess he will want to talk soon and go from there

Well now that Ronaldo has made his intentions clear I am thinking of wether this was planned all along, this is my theory.

I believe the lad went to United with the ultimate goal of playing in Madrid. I think he renewed his contract last year with the intent of securing his future, should his career not go as planned but in his eyes United was a spring board to Madrid. He grew up partly in the Galacticos Era, he saw the great starts of his youth playing in Madrid and must have decided then he wanted to be the next Galactico; now when he's at the top of his game he decides to make a move. almost like he used Man U.

I may be wrong, but reading the transcript of his post game, when he says that he had decided this prior to the Champions final and that was holding on only because his team was competing, leads me to that conclusion also when he says that this is a dream of his etc...rather interesting lad this C.Ronaldo, I tell you

"So, after his worst performances on a major tournament, he's prepared to do what could be he's worst career move."
absolutely seconded

Guillem: The little details were won by Germany. You didn’t seem concentrated enough

Ronaldo: I didn’t do anything wrong. I did what I had to do but the team made mistakes and that is why we lost
:D classy.

This saga is the ultimate fix for this attention wh*re.

Well the Man U website today has made an annoucment that hes not for sale. I've never seen a rumor posted on the main news portal links before so I guess SAF is sticking with not selling the lad.... for now.

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid=%7BF9E570E6%2D407E%2D44BC%2D80 0F%2D4A3110258114%7D&newsid=6612192

For those Man U. fans who think ronaldo is taking a step backward I'll just say that #1, Real madrid are a bigger club than Man U. statistically speaking as well as in other areas. Take titles into account and overall appeal. This is not a knock on Man U. who are ahuge club in their own right but rather, the way it is. In world football it doesn't get bigger than playing for us, unless you grew up a fan of another club and dreamt of playing for said club. #2, He won all he could win in the Premiership with Utd. Why not take on new challenges. Also, why not move to a country with better weather, great food, great standard of living and a somewhat similar culture to Portugal? If you ask me, the timing couldn't be anybetter for him to move. However, there's no way in hell I'd give up Robinho and Ramos for him! That's just lunacy!

The way Ronaldo has acted in this is despicable. Manchester United and it's fans deserve to be shown far more respect than this - okay if he wants to play for Madrid then fair enough, but to suddenly decide this in the second year of a 5 year deal (which he was only too happy to sign last summer)

He was idolised at United, we took him to our hearts and defended him against the hatred he was subjected to (in fact retrospectively I'm afraid to say it seems he does have a deceptive and disingenuous side to his personality) Sir Alex Ferguson moulded him into the great player he is today (as opposed to the "trick pony" he was in the early years) And maybe he doesn't owe everything to United - but he owes them much more respect than this.

For the good of the club, Manchester United have now got to concentrate on putting together the best deal to move him on - a deal where United are the beneficiaries (In my opinion cash will be no good - we need players in exchange too)

Whether Real Madrid engineered this is not up for debate - rather it seems all to clearly now that Ronaldo had engineered this from the start - and that makes me sick to my stomach.

Perhaps if he had stood up and been a man about it (and just come out and stated his intentions in the first place), his time at United might have ended with him still enjoying the goodwill of the legions of supporters he is now turning his back on. Instead he has ruined what should have been a summer of celebration of a fantastic achievement in the Double.

However I will be extremely surprised if he ever gets a standing ovation from the Stretford end, should he ever return with his precious Madrid, like previous players like Alan Smith (who was a man about it) and others who showed the proper respect on the way out the door.

The David Beckham transfer was somewhat different. Beckham had an increasingly strained relationship with Sir Alex due to celebrity and stardom outside Old Trafford. Other clubs were monitoring the situation should United simply decide to transfer him (a deal was done with Barcelona) but Beckham decided to opt for Real Madrid. In retrospect I personally was wrong to blame Beckham for this - he simply wasn't strong enough to balance the two (As Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes etc have done)

In any case, it's obvious that Cristiano Ronaldo is no longer a topic with which United fans should concern ourselves, let the club give him the thirty pieces of silver and send him on his way. We have 29 other players in the squad who are committed - lets focus on them now.

The way Ronaldo has acted in this is despicable. Manchester United and it's fans deserve to be shown far more respect than this - okay if he wants to play for Madrid then fair enough, but to suddenly decide this in the second year of a 5 year deal (which he was only too happy to sign last summer)

He was idolised at United, we took him to our hearts and defended him against the hatred he was subjected to (in fact retrospectively I'm afraid to say it seems he does have a deceptive and disingenuous side to his personality) Sir Alex Ferguson moulded him into the great player he is today (as opposed to the "trick pony" he was in the early years) And maybe he doesn't owe everything to United - but he owes them much more respect than this.

For the good of the club, Manchester United have now got to concentrate on putting together the best deal to move him on - a deal where United are the beneficiaries (In my opinion cash will be no good - we need players in exchange too)

Whether Real Madrid engineered this is not up for debate - rather it seems all to clearly now that Ronaldo had engineered this from the start - and that makes me sick to my stomach.

Perhaps if he had stood up and been a man about it (and just come out and stated his intentions in the first place), his time at United might have ended with him still enjoying the goodwill of the legions of supporters he is now turning his back on. Instead he has ruined what should have been a summer of celebration of a fantastic achievement in the Double.

However I will be extremely surprised if he ever gets a standing ovation from the Stretford end, should he ever return with his precious Madrid, like previous players like Alan Smith (who was a man about it) and others who showed the proper respect on the way out the door.

The David Beckham transfer was somewhat different. Beckham had an increasingly strained relationship with Sir Alex due to celebrity and stardom outside Old Trafford. Other clubs were monitoring the situation should United simply decide to transfer him (a deal was done with Barcelona) but Beckham decided to opt for Real Madrid. In retrospect I personally was wrong to blame Beckham for this - he simply wasn't strong enough to balance the two (As Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes etc have done)

In any case, it's obvious that Cristiano Ronaldo is no longer a topic with which United fans should concern ourselves, let the club give him the thirty pieces of silver and send him on his way. We have 29 other players in the squad who are committed - lets focus on them now.

Good post Mikey. I agree about the respect thing for the fans and club. It's a matter of principle and shows the type of person you are. As for him oweing Utd. something, he doesnt owe anymore than respect. In return for Utd. signing him he's given you titles and possible suitcases of cash from a sale = even steven. I really don't know why Fergie is being stubborn. It seems as if Fergie is swallowing his pride. Why force a player to stay if he doesn't want to? Never understood this. It's the right time for Ronaldo and Utd. to part and move on, imo.

Great post Mikey I agree with Orgullo and yourself; that is why as you seem to be also, I consider myself a supporter of the Club and not of players...sure there are players I like but the club is above them. I think that is a lesson that Madridistas had to learn the hard way during the Galactico years

Thanks.

I can see that Sir Alex is backed into a bit of a corner now - United will look like hypocrites if they turn round and sell him, but they have to do what's best for the club.
And obviously what's best for the club now is to maximise Ronaldo's value and to use it to help the club.

And to argue the point made before about Ronaldo winning trophies for us - he certainly helped, but in every game there were 10 others working for the cause too. Maybe certain goals wouldn't have been scored - but who's to say the team wouldn't have functioned effectively. Differently certainly, but could they have played to another winger's strengths instead?

Like Real when Zizou retired, they rebuilt a different team. Players come and go - but the club is forever.

Just putting more gas in the fire here (6)

but some United fans are talking the same crap as after world cup 06 with the whole rooney incident, and then sucked Ronaldo's cock when he scored 41 goals...so imagine if he stays and delivers again in the coming seasons like he already did..


(H)let the bashing begin

Thanks.

I can see that Sir Alex is backed into a bit of a corner now - United will look like hypocrites if they turn round and sell him, but they have to do what's best for the club.
And obviously what's best for the club now is to maximise Ronaldo's value and to use it to help the club.

And to argue the point made before about Ronaldo winning trophies for us - he certainly helped, but in every game there were 10 others working for the cause too. Maybe certain goals wouldn't have been scored - but who's to say the team wouldn't have functioned effectively. Differently certainly, but could they have played to another winger's strengths instead?

Like Real when Zizou retired, they rebuilt a different team. Players come and go - but the club is forever.

This is why you guys wont miss Ronaldo!

Do you think there's anyway Ronaldo can remain at Utd. after all of this? Relationshipwise with the coach, fans? In other words, is it healthy to have him in the club after all this?

Just putting more gas in the fire here (6)

but some United fans are talking the same crap as after world cup 06 with the whole rooney incident, and then sucked Ronaldo's cock when he scored 41 goals...so imagine if he stays and delivers again in the coming seasons like he already did..


(H)let the bashing begin

It is in the nature of some football fans to try and convince themselves that the player they idolised is really not all that good (when said player leaves their club) This results in a lot of negative comments. I have never doubted Ronaldo's ability - quite simply he is phenomenally talented - although he has a questionable personality.

Ronaldo will never be idolised as much at United after this even if he stays and scores 50 goals (but I am convinced he won't stay) I expect a lot of the "glory hunters" and "fairweather" fans will desert the club once twinkle toes goes - but as I said before, I support the club - not one player.

There will soon be another man in the number 7 and life will go on.

its not healthy, but is something a few goals, tricks, and assistance to goals can easily cure and make people forgive and forget.

its not healthy, but is something a few goals, tricks, and assistance to goals can easily cure and make people forgive and forget.

I don't think those that hold the club as dear to their heart as myself will ever forgive the way he's behaved - part of me will never forgive him anyway.

Hell it took a Champions League victory for me to forgive the team for getting hammered by City at Old Trafford on the 50th anniversary of Munich! :swear2:

meh, I still think your point of view isn't that of the majority of the fans

Well I really really really really doubt (did I say really?) that Ronaldo has any chance of staying at United...I think he'll up going on strike before he goes anywhere......

also Wesley Snijder just stated in an interview with Spanish Media that under no circumstances will he leave Madrid. He said when he left Ajax which was the club of his dreams the only place he wanted to go was Madrid and that he does not want to nor will allow anyone to move him....so there goes that trade option....I personally would trade Robihno plus cash if we MUST get Ronaldo ( i still dont know why we must) I think we would be replacing Robihno with an upgraded Robihno in Ronaldo....same general type of player, with Ronaldo being a little faster and a better finisher

he is the only player I would accept as a trade off for him. No Ramos an no Snijder

Shame they can't cup tie him before they sell him.

Haha!!

Just think what ManU can buy with that money....can't say they;ll shed too many tears.

All the money in the world does not compensate a club, that looks to lose their most potent player. Apart from that, some of the estimates guessed at regarding Ronaldo are pure fantasy. Madrid might say that they will pay anything to get him, but in reality they will only pay slightly over a reasonable transfer fee at best.

All this talk of 70 million quid or thereabouts is total bollocks. Madrid do not need him that badly, whereas Manchester United need him very badly.

However much money Man U might make from selling him, they will still be the losers, and there is no point in trying to paper over that fact.

just read that Sneijder would be part of the deal.. If that is the case, I would be the first to say F**K the deal. Calderon and Co. Are seriosly out of their F***ing mind to even consider getting rid of Sneijder. At this point he has proven the kind of class player he is and such big asset of the Holland team, and he can only grow further with us.


F**k this, I'm really fired up. Not the way I wanted my day to start.

Surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to actually consider that. Considering that Sneijder only just stated that he wants to remain a Madrid player, then how unhappy would he be to be kicked out?

This surely must be media bollocks MZ. No club in their right minds would part with such a player so easily.

this is the one time I pray that it is just Media BS. Unfortunately, Calderon is so determined to get Ronaldo, that I wouldn't doubt him considering such a move.

Surely they wouldn't be so stupid as to actually consider that. Considering that Sneijder only just stated that he wants to remain a Madrid player, then how unhappy would he be to be kicked out?

This surely must be media bollocks MZ. No club in their right minds would part with such a player so easily.

Who knows, a lot of us were pretty convinced that Ronaldo was just trying to get a new contract only like 3 month ago.

To be honest? I'd ask for the horse back.

Horseman > Ronaldo > Rooney

Remember why you let him bolt the stable in the first place? He hated the crybaby and was around 30, no one mentioned that he was your best player and still would be.

Give him his shirt back too, make Shrek wear something stupid like 24. Donkey > Shrek.

My dear MZ let me direct you to this article(http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/futbol-ficharia-cristiano-ojos-cerrados/dasftbpri/20080620dasdaiftb_67/Tes) which is straight out of Sneijder. Plus Marca who are the speculation whores and somehow know everything about Madrid have not "broken" the news yet. AS who is slightly more reliable have only stated that Robihno will be sold if we get Ronaldo...that i believe...If your source was an english tabloid then definetly dont believe it. they make up more stuff than event he Spanish media, if they said Sneijder would be in a deal then they are probably speaking out of their wish as we all know many Man U fans want him in their team.....again, I feel we dont need this guy, but if we get him I would only be willing to trade off Robihno

I am also fed up of this Ronaldo saga, and therefore this will be a short post. I think this situation represents a very impotant prescedent for future player vs. club battles due to the high profile nature of this case. IMO players have more power than their clubs at present, and will only stay as long as it suits their agenda. Can we really turn down megabucks, with the only other option being to have a want away player?

Also understand that for decades it was the clubs who had the power over players, and the clubs milked those players for a pittance. Now the situation is reversed, and the players milk the club, and the clubs are pining for the old days when a player did as he was told. Those days are long gone and people need to accept that fact.

I think Sneijder will not be happy if he is forced to swap his Real Madrid shirt for a Man U one. He doesn't want to join Man U, so why would that club want to take him under those circumstances?

Well, if he really doesn't want to, there's nothing that can make him go.

All the money in the world does not compensate a club, that looks to lose their most potent player. Apart from that, some of the estimates guessed at regarding Ronaldo are pure fantasy. Madrid might say that they will pay anything to get him, but in reality they will only pay slightly over a reasonable transfer fee at best.

All this talk of 70 million quid or thereabouts is total bollocks. Madrid do not need him that badly, whereas Manchester United need him very badly.

However much money Man U might make from selling him, they will still be the losers, and there is no point in trying to paper over that fact.

That is pretty much bullsh*t coming from your views. Every player comes and goes and to say we need him is very much a one dimensional view of our season. He has been a big part of our recent success but its always 11 v 11 on a football pitch. The team has been supportive of him and like he said in an interview, how the team makes goals for him. We have the ability to win matches without him and that would be the case if he decides to swap the red of Manchester United for the white of Real Madrid.

When we sold van Nistelrooy, everybody wrote off our chances because we sold one of the most dangerous predators around but we went on to win the league that season.

Players come and go, it's a fact of life. And the club is forever.

Anyway, the general consensus is that most of the United fans are resigned to him leaving the club. The minority ones are ones who don't believe the media and are waiting for the official announcement.

When we sold van Nistelrooy, everybody wrote off our chances because we sold one of the most dangerous predators around but we went on to win the league that season.

Ronaldo.

The minority ones are ones who don't believe the media and are waiting for the official announcement.

So you mean the delusional ones? cause is not MEDIA, the man said it himself, I heard the interview and the comments that have been written are nothing but the transcrips...anyway...i dont want him seriously....I would be happy with another two players

Ronaldo.

A big part of our success that time, but still, the team helped him make him the player he is today.

So you mean the delusional ones? cause is not MEDIA, the man said it himself, I heard the interview and the comments that have been written are nothing but the transcrips...anyway...i dont want him seriously....I would be happy with another two players

The last interview I remember him doing is that he said anything can happen in the future. Besides, with him in the team, its either you guys win the Primera Liga or you don't.

That is pretty much bullsh*t coming from your views. Every player comes and goes and to say we need him is very much a one dimensional view of our season. He has been a big part of our recent success but its always 11 v 11 on a football pitch. The team has been supportive of him and like he said in an interview, how the team makes goals for him. We have the ability to win matches without him and that would be the case if he decides to swap the red of Manchester United for the white of Real Madrid.

When we sold van Nistelrooy, everybody wrote off our chances because we sold one of the most dangerous predators around but we went on to win the league that season.

Players come and go, it's a fact of life. And the club is forever.

Anyway, the general consensus is that most of the United fans are resigned to him leaving the club. The minority ones are ones who don't believe the media and are waiting for the official announcement.

Like I care about your lop sided opinion mate? You are delusional if you think United will not miss Ronaldo.

I do think we will miss some of his qualities like threat from set-pieces and opening up the play but football is like that. Ultimately, he'll either wearing a red shirt or he is not on 1st September 2008.

I think theres abig cliche among Utd. fans. They say Utd. wont miss Ronaldo, bla bla bla. Im here to tell you thats BS! All this no player is bigger than Utd. is also looking to be false. Apparently, Ronaldo is much bigger. Why isn't Fergie upset with Ronaldo? Why is he basically kneeliong down and trying to convince him. I thought Fergie was a no nonsense guy? Furthermore, if Ronaldo will not be missed and you would have won all your trophies w/o him (which is pure BS!), then why not sell him? Why not recieve tons of cash for someone who is not a key player in your team? Face it guys, you will miss him and you will not be the same w/o him. I can't tell you how many key goals he has scored in the past 2 years to lead you to finals! many of those goals could have only been made with someone of his skill, pace.

I think theres abig cliche among Utd. fans. They say Utd. wont miss Ronaldo, bla bla bla. Im here to tell you thats BS! All this no player is bigger than Utd. is also looking to be false. Apparently, Ronaldo is much bigger. Why isn't Fergie upset with Ronaldo? Why is he basically kneeliong down and trying to convince him. I thought Fergie was a no nonsense guy? Furthermore, if Ronaldo will not be missed and you would have won all your trophies w/o him (which is pure BS!), then why not sell him? Why not recieve tons of cash for someone who is not a key player in your team? Face it guys, you will miss him and you will not be the same w/o him. I can't tell you how many key goals he has scored in the past 2 years to lead you to finals! many of those goals could have only been made with someone of his skill, pace.

We haven't heard anything from SAF so far but most of us wants him to be a part of an exciting future. He is a key player no doubt and will be if he stays. Maybe we would not know how our last two seasons would be like if he left for Madrid in 2006 but that is the past now.

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The last interview I remember him doing is that he said anything can happen in the future. Besides, with him in the team, its either you guys win the Primera Liga or you don't.

lol you're funny mate, we win la liga with or without him or did you just forget we have won it two years running and that Barca is basically a new project......thus we dont NEED ronaldo like you guys do...not at all

Obviously Ronaldo will be missed if he goes after all he is the best player in the world he will be very hard to replace but not impossible. United could play a quality player in Ronaldo's position and then its possible someone else could step up that could be Tevez/Rooney just like Ronaldo stepped up after Ruud left. Without Ronaldo + money United can still be as good.

Yeah, I do think United will get over it if he does go. It happens at every club sometimes that you lose an influential player, but life goes on. Fergie knows that, but I think he is so angry with Ronaldo's attitude, that he would just love to make an example of him. I think Fergie feels somewhat humiliated by Ronaldo's lack of dialogue with the club, and the way this has been played out in the media. Fergie has been humiliated and so has the club, and I think Fergie would like to see Ronaldo suffer a bit for that.

As I said, United will certainly survive Ronaldo moving on, because they do have some very good players besides him, and they can always spend in the transfer market too.

I just love all the Hollywood drama around this thing. Keep it going guys (H)

hehehehehee....Fili you are wicked sometimes:innocent_smile_1:

Apparently, Ronaldo is much bigger. Why isn't Fergie upset with Ronaldo? Why is he basically kneeliong down and trying to convince him. I thought Fergie was a no nonsense guy? Furthermore, if Ronaldo will not be missed and you would have won all your trophies w/o him (which is pure BS!), then why not sell him?

You can bet Fergie is seething with Ronaldo's attitude - not just his wish to leave but the way he has conducted himself about it. I believe Fergie has been on holiday for the past three weeks (he's earned it) and no formal meeting between him and Ronaldo has yet taken place (probably will next week)

Fergie is in a difficult position - it's not a question of kneeling to Ronaldo , rather he needs to lay down a marker to the players and agents - after he said he'd leave Ronaldo "in the stands". If this transfer does go through, it sends a negative impression that Manchester United are a selling club and will bow to player pressure. Fergie is well aware that Ronaldo leaving mid contract is equally as damaging to Manchester United in the reputation department.

However, he will also be aware that any player not %100 United committed must be removed from the club in order to keep the team spirit.

And yes as I said before, we'll miss Ronaldo - but the team will adapt, we've lost far greater players than him in the past yet we still find a way to adapt. The team may play differently, but we have the talent to keep winning, I firmly believe that Rooney and others (maybe Nani) will step up to take the responsibility - it is the way United (and most clubs) has worked for over 100 years.

why not to sell him ?!?!?!

Ronaldo = a lot of money to united

Yeah, sell the whole team while you're at it, that would give you an insane amount of money :D

Obviously Ronaldo will be missed if he goes after all he is the best player in the world he will be very hard to replace but not impossible. United could play a quality player in Ronaldo's position and then its possible someone else could step up that could be Tevez/Rooney just like Ronaldo stepped up after Ruud left. Without Ronaldo + money United can still be as good.

Without a doubt. You guys have agreat squuad w/o him. I'm just saying that sometimes you need the "superstars" to carry a team forward from time to time. Look at the Peles, Maradonad, Cruyffs, Eusebios, DiStefanos, etc. Having 5 star players can make ahuge difference. Ronaldo would be missed I assure you.

You can bet Fergie is seething with Ronaldo's attitude - not just his wish to leave but the way he has conducted himself about it. I believe Fergie has been on holiday for the past three weeks (he's earned it) and no formal meeting between him and Ronaldo has yet taken place (probably will next week)

Fergie is in a difficult position - it's not a question of kneeling to Ronaldo , rather he needs to lay down a marker to the players and agents - after he said he'd leave Ronaldo "in the stands". If this transfer does go through, it sends a negative impression that Manchester United are a selling club and will bow to player pressure. Fergie is well aware that Ronaldo leaving mid contract is equally as damaging to Manchester United in the reputation department.

However, he will also be aware that any player not %100 United committed must be removed from the club in order to keep the team spirit.

And yes as I said before, we'll miss Ronaldo - but the team will adapt, we've lost far greater players than him in the past yet we still find a way to adapt. The team may play differently, but we have the talent to keep winning, I firmly believe that Rooney and others (maybe Nani) will step up to take the responsibility - it is the way United (and most clubs) has worked for over 100 years.

Every team eventually adapts. I think, although I'm not for us signing him, that for the good of Utd., you let Ronaldo go if he wants to. Everyone should put egos and stubborness aside and realize that if someone/something is yours, you don't have to force it/him to be yours. Bottom line!

About loyalty to a club. Money cannot buy you loyalty. Just because Utd. signed Ronaldo doesn't = he has to be loyal. If you ask me, Ronaldo has already repaid Utd. with helping them win titles, making money off of him via endorsements, etc. and a possible astronomical suitcase of cash if he's sold. I couldn't ask for more from Ronaldo if I were a Utd. fan. Want loyalty? Find young Manchester fans who are English, enroll them in the academy and bring them up. The loyalty comes from the heart not the pocket. Ronaldo has always fancied Real Madrid as the ideal team and his dream team. That's where he wants to be.

Now, not being respectful and not playing mindgames with the club and fans is where Ronaldo is at fault. Thats another matter.

Ronaldo has always fancied Real Madrid as the ideal team and his dream team. That's where he wants to be.

Now, not being respectful and not playing mindgames with the club and fans is where Ronaldo is at fault. Thats another matter.

Why did he sign a five year contract last summer then? He could have gone after the World Cup and no-one would have blamed him.

Because you fail to see Mikey that it was a ploy by the lad all along. Football is how he eats, and he needed to secure his future after a questionable world cup. Once the deal was in the suitcase he knew no matter what he would have a job for the next five years...But its rather clear to me that he always had an ambition of being at Madrid and probably wanted to be the next Galactico...He could have gone the way Sneijder just did when linked to you guys and say I am not going, He could have gone the way kaka went when linked with us and say I am not going, but he didnt it was his plan all along,

Because you fail to see Mikey that it was a ploy by the lad all along. Football is how he eats, and he needed to secure his future after a questionable world cup. Once the deal was in the suitcase he knew no matter what he would have a job for the next five years...But its rather clear to me that he always had an ambition of being at Madrid and probably wanted to be the next Galactico

If I recall, Real were desperately trying to get him at that time - he wouldn't have exactly gone light on the money side would he?

Everytime I think about this I get more and more hatred for the conniving little so and so - I just want the stain of his games out of my club - the sooner the better, and the more money we get the happier I'll be! To think I spent hours defending him to all and sundry when they could obviously see what he was like all along.

I won't make that mistake again!

ManU should sell him. They've got more than adequate cover and they they'll get enough cash to bring in anyone to make their squad even better. I think the problem is that, like others have said, he's put Fergie in a tough spot, and it's hard to come out of it with your head held high. The question is whether Fergie wants to make Ronaldo suffer for another year, lose money in wages, risk damaging the spirit of the squad, and have a plauer who will definitely play beneath his ability, and then sell him for less money, or sell him now and be humiliated for a few weeks.

That said, I hope Fergie makes that little bastard suffer.

O'Rly? Who is there RIGHT NOW to assume his role and deliver something close to what he was able to? Nani is not there yet....

Maybe I didm't articulate myself properly. They don't have someone who is able to do what he does right now, but they have cover for him, and that cover is ManU level, and in the next year or so, might be C.Ronaldo level. The fact of the matter is, he is not irreplaceable, no player is.

Anyway, Anderson, Nani, Park, Rooney, Giggs are all players who can play similar roles to his, to answer your question.

If I recall, Real were desperately trying to get him at that time - he wouldn't have exactly gone light on the money side would he?

Everytime I think about this I get more and more hatred for the conniving little so and so - I just want the stain of his games out of my club - the sooner the better, and the more money we get the happier I'll be! To think I spent hours defending him to all and sundry when they could obviously see what he was like all along.

I won't make that mistake again!

Damn, don't be too hard on yerself Mikey. In your position as a fan of the guy, we would ALL OF US done the exact same thing. It's natural mate, to defend your own players. Nobody thinks any the worse of you for doing that.(Y)

loooool

LOLOLOL HAHAHAH too funny!

C.Ronaldo to Madrid .. Quaresma to Manchester .. and the winner is : AH PORTO AGAIN !!! xD xD xD

That is a riot payaah!:rofl:

Haha "We still have Wes Brown".

I was just about to post that, deserves it's own separate thread but I looked just in case.

"Die Abenteuuuer von Cristiano Ronaldooo!" (H)

In the words of the omniscent George Carlin; Strokejob! :D

Funny.. very funny, but United WILL win without Ronaldo. :)

Funny.. very funny, but United WILL win without Ronaldo. :)

I agree. Having him and paying him his huge salary is a waste since he wont make the team any better and since youll win tons of trophies w/o him. Youre better off getting rid of him.

A great article! (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=754360)


I agree Man U will be a better team without Ronaldo.

I hate Cristiano Ronaldo you ask why? i tell you why:
1. He is an egoist, self-centered ,and arrogant.
2.He doesn't care about anything but the money, models, and cars.
3.Sir Alex Ferguson toke him from sporting lisbon as a personal project and Brought him to become what he is today - a superstar.
That's how Cristiano Ronaldo pay back to Sir Alex Ferguson? he stabbed him in the back like an asshole.
I gust wish Cristiano Ronaldo will sit on the bench for a year in porpes to realise what he coul'd be without Sir Alex Ferguson.
What a disgusting player.

you are a sad strange little man...........nobody asked why u hated him, yet u went on and answered the question yerself, way to go...............XD

I hate Cristiano Ronaldo you ask why? i tell you why:
1. He is an egoist, self-centered ,and arrogant.
2.He doesn't care about anything but the money, models, and cars.
3.Sir Alex Ferguson toke him from sporting lisbon as a personal project and Brought him to become what he is today - a superstar.
That's how Cristiano Ronaldo pay back to Sir Alex Ferguson? he stabbed him in the back like an asshole.
I gust wish Cristiano Ronaldo will sit on the bench for a year in porpes to realise what he coul'd be without Sir Alex Ferguson.
What a disgusting player.


WOW!!!......Good job he isn't a German too huh?:tongue:

He isn't? I would've sworn he was playing against Portugal in the quarter-final.

as a wise man once said.. "You shouldn't take it so personal, its just business!"




Or at least think it was and old wise man

Probably just old.

I did see a couple interviews with him recently that he did earlier in the year and he confeses to being part of the Gestapo and also a secret member of the Schutzstaffel, so maybe our friend does have a point guys...

I see that Ronaldo might just decide to remain at United. The sole reason is that Real Madrid told him that he will have to take a wage cut ( in comparison of what he earns at United), of 1.5 million a year.

Not that Ronaldo is about to mention this dent to his ego. Oh no, he is now saying that he will remain at United because HE does not like the way that Real Madrid conducted themselves by making his interest in joining them public knowledge during this, will he/won't he debacle.

I can see Fergie now telling us all that it was all simply a misunderstanding, and that the spotty one loves United like no other, and I fear that the United fans will swallow this explanation gladly, as they all (Ronaldo included), castigate Real Madrid for a total lack of professional ethics and class.

It just gets worse .

I agree. He's clearly a mercenary, one of the best in the world. Cant say it bothers me too much, the respect level has just changed.

That's confusing. Real Madrid offering him less than he earns at United seems very doubtful, they're not stupid.

The whole interest of Ronaldo wanting to go to Madrid has to do with money. Maybe other factors like the weather or so, but it all comes to down to receiving more money. So Madrid directors would be complete idiots if they think Ronaldo would go there to receive less than he does currently. That makes no sense at all.

All those comments about him always wanted to play for Real and needing another challenge well that's just BS.


I can't blame Real Madrid for wanting him, and he wanting to go there in order to get a bigger paycheck (players are all mercenaries nowdays in general) but really as much as Ronaldo is an awesome player he really disrespected the club that helped him improve a lot.

We can't know but had he gone to Real Madrid instead of Manchester United I really doubt he would've become the player he is nowdays (plays for the team, is more efficient, at least on club level).

He would get a wage cut cause it would be unfair for him to make more than Raul or Casillas or even Guti who are the heavyweights of the dressing room, He would make as much as Raul as of right now if he was to go to Madrid...He could easily make that up in marketing however, if not ask Becks who was in a similar situation....but regardless I dont believe anything anymore unless I hear it from the people involved themselves or an official news organization says it...Marca says Madrid are ready to sign July 7th the Sun says he's going back to practice, and nothing ever happened...If he decided to sign for us knowing he's taking a wage cut it could show just how much of an egoist he is because he would figure that by Playing at Madrid he has now secured his legacy, if he won it all at Man U and then wins it all at Madrid his legacy will indeed be secured but at what cost....it continues

I see that Ronaldo might just decide to remain at United. The sole reason is that Real Madrid told him that he will have to take a wage cut ( in comparison of what he earns at United), of 1.5 million a year.



Do you have the whole article or was that just on the news?

I heard it on BBC Radio 5 Live Help. I've looked for an article relating to the subject, but so far no luck mate. If I find one I'll post it;)

I dont think you will find a reliable article man. Unless you check one of the tabloids, this came up in Daily Maily/Mirror few days ago according to bbc gossip column.

This info came from a BBC spokesperson in Spain, in a radio news update on this saga amongst other Spanish football related news. I think the asswipe tabloids repeated the info the following day. The BBC certainly have nothing in writing on their website anyhow.

So does everybody here agree that he should be second fiddle to Torres when the time comes for voting the world player of the year? He once again proved that he was a total sissy when leading his national team.

Good question. Through the season he was amazing. Towards the end of it in the bigger games he made a few blinding mistakes. For country he under preformed. Does this prove a point he plays well when he has the right squad supporting him? Guess time will tell with the pre season games.

Torres on the other hand didn't win much in England but won the euro's had has maintained a good record all the way through. Arguably the more complete player who can work through the pressure. Or it could be said he just had a better squad around him in euro 08. Spain had some great players all doing well.

Ronaldo on the other hand up until the Euro 08 was arguably the best player and was the leading goal scorer in every competition he was in domestically and in the champions league. Got lots of silver and also won PFA Player of the Year 2008, again. It could be argued he was best almost all year excluding a few weeks in the Euros. That's another good point, let not forget the performances of the euros only lasted a few weeks.

Lets not be dreaming also, he did get a few goals and assists in the Euro's his team just under preformed. So to say he was horrible is wrong, he just didn't live up to the hype he's maintained in every other competition he's been in. You could blame that on the pressure, different team mates around him, being burnt out or even the transfer saga (other things on his mind). There lots of factors.

In spite saying that Torres did well in the English domestic leagues and has achieved Euro 08 glory. I guess the question boils down too who was the best for the longest? I don't know, its a hard question I'm glad I don't have to make it.

A spokesman from UEFA said the only reason Deco and Ronaldo weren't on the ideal team for the Euro2008 was due to Portugal being eliminated so early. Even though imo Deco was much better than Ronaldo in this competition.

Even if Ronaldo is behaving like a mercenary he did carry United in many ocasions, Torres did not perform bad for Pool but not at the same level, though he clearly did better at the Euro.

What Ronaldo achieved this season is amazing for a winger, he's the ultimate complete player. Considering that and judging from Platini's recent comments regarding Ronaldo my money would be on him.

So does everybody here agree that he should be second fiddle to Torres when the time comes for voting the world player of the year? He once again proved that he was a total sissy when leading his national team.
Torres played one very good game at the EURO. In all other comps he came second to Ronaldo. If we're going to give Player of the Year based on EUROs/WCs, what's the point of scoring 42 goals a season, winning the CL and the EPL?...give me a break man

Steaua and adedawson: what are you two guys smoking? Here you are talking about how the only reason Ronaldo did so well in the whole season is because of the superb team he had to help him out for 9 month! And yet you are both talking as if Torres was the sole reason Spain won the EURO and he was the shining star of the tournament. The man scored only 2 goals in the whole tournament and he is a striker. He wasn't even the best forward on the field for Spain, nevermind the best player on the team. Torres isn't even one of the players that did really well at EUROs, he JUST scored the most important goal of the competition. Had someone like Pouyol scored, would you be comparing him to Ronaldo for the player of the year? Let be realistic here, we are talking about player of the YEAR award, not the EURO 2008 tournament player, right?

So does everybody here agree that he should be second fiddle to Torres when the time comes for voting the world player of the year? He once again proved that he was a total sissy when leading his national team.

I think you could even make a case for Arshavin ahead of Ronaldo. Really, who else plays for Zenit, Fernando Ricksen?

Ronaldo wasn't why United won the Premier League, Martin Taylor's right foot was.

Torres was crap in several games. Had Villa played, no one would even consider him. It's really annoying that people think a player deserves an award for one good game. Well done for him playing well in the final, but really, I'd rate several players in that much alone that were better than him, nevermind the comp, and nevermind the season. In terms of performance over the year, it's Ronaldo between them two.

Steaua and adedawson: what are you two guys smoking? Here you are talking about how the only reason Ronaldo did so well in the whole season is because of the superb team he had to help him out for 9 month! And yet you are both talking as if Torres was the sole reason Spain won the EURO and he was the shining star of the tournament. The man scored only 2 goals in the whole tournament and he is a striker. He wasn't even the best forward on the field for Spain, nevermind the best player on the team. Torres isn't even one of the players that did really well at EUROs, he JUST scored the most important goal of the competition. Had someone like Pouyol scored, would you be comparing him to Ronaldo for the player of the year? Let be realistic here, we are talking about player of the YEAR award, not the EURO 2008 tournament player, right?

Cheers help for that glowing comment. I gave a evaluation based on what both players have archived this year. At no point did I mention Torres was the reason Spain won. What I said was he "maintained a good record all the way through" Which he did. Same as Ronaldo. Unfortunately there bias too WC's and Euro's. I hope Ronaldo wins it, but i can see how they might vote else where and like I mentioned before I'm glad its a decision I don't have to make.

C.Ronaldo is does doing what every other player does, the fact that he is the best player in the world he gets all this attention.


Look at Adebayor, asking us to Triple is wage after he signed a new contract last season. He has one good season and he thinks he should be paid like Thierry Henry.

There would be 100s of other cases happening across Europe at this stage. My problem is that the Agents seem to start the ball rolling in most cases

Torres played one very good game at the EURO. In all other comps he came second to Ronaldo. If we're going to give Player of the Year based on EUROs/WCs, what's the point of scoring 42 goals a season, winning the CL and the EPL?...give me a break man

Good point. If this isn't Ronaldo's year, then i've no idea when it would be. Even though that c*nt hasn't done a thing for his country since the Euro 2004 ... ESPECIALLY this year.

I pick Torres over Ronaldo this year! Why? Simple....for being brand new in a team and in a much different league, Torres took the bull by the horns and ravished everyone with 30+ goals in his first season. How many seasons did it take Ronaldo????? Not only that but they say the great players show up at the biggest stages and its what Torres did in the final. I think these are 2 very good points (especially the first one). I think Ronaldo is more talented but I think taking into account both of the players comfort levels, stability, etc. Torres comes out on top. Brand new at Liverpool and didn't even have to adjust, and if he did adjust he did in a couple of games

If Ronaldo doesn't win it this year after scoring 42 ( i believe) total goals in club competitions.... I am hard pressed to find a time when he will win the player of the year award. Look at it this way, If the euro's happened before the start of the premier league and champions league this year and torres did as well as he did.... would we be considering him as the top player of the year? No. We'd say he's very good but not the best.

If Ronaldo doesn't win it this year after scoring 42 ( i believe) total goals in club competitions.... I am hard pressed to find a time when he will win the player of the year award. Look at it this way, If the euro's happened before the start of the premier league and champions league this year and torres did as well as he did.... would we be considering him as the top player of the year? No. We'd say he's very good but not the best.

Seeing your sig, I understand why you feel that way. Now lets compare Ronaldo's first year in the EPL to Torres' first year in the EPL. Because of this, I feel Torres stood out more and was dominating the EPL (pound for pound) more than Ronaldo. and was super instrumental with a huge goal in the final. While Ronaldo has missed several big game opportunities.

eh, ronaldo will win both tittles (golden ball and fifa world player) its evident.

Seeing your sig, I understand why you feel that way. Now lets compare Ronaldo's first year in the EPL to Torres' first year in the EPL. Because of this, I feel Torres stood out more and was dominating the EPL (pound for pound) more than Ronaldo. and was super instrumental with a huge goal in the final. While Ronaldo has missed several big game opportunities.

First of all, it's not The New Player in a New League of the Year -award, just Player of the year.

Torres dominating the EPL? More than Ronaldo? Ronaldo scored more goals than him, and he's a winger. Also, Ronaldo carried his match in the hard times, when United was suffering from many injuries. Ronaldo lead ManU to winning the EPL and CL, not just in the final match, like Torres in EURO, he came through almost every night. Meanwhile Torres scored a nice sum of goals in a new league, but didn't make his team succeed in any competition and he played one good match in the EUROs.

Again, let me remind you, it's The Player of the Year -award, not in a new club, not in world stage, such as EUROs, but the whole season.

well cannavaro win the golder ball for his good WC when ronaldinho or eto'o deserved.

First of all, it's not The New Player in a New League of the Year -award, just Player of the year.

Torres dominating the EPL? More than Ronaldo? Ronaldo scored more goals than him, and he's a winger. Also, Ronaldo carried his match in the hard times, when United was suffering from many injuries. Ronaldo lead ManU to winning the EPL and CL, not just in the final match, like Torres in EURO, he came through almost every night.


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Finally some real opinions with real arguments...

I'm not even a Ronaldo-fan, I just face the facts, unlike others.

Seeing your sig, I understand why you feel that way. Now lets compare Ronaldo's first year in the EPL to Torres' first year in the EPL. Because of this, I feel Torres stood out more and was dominating the EPL (pound for pound) more than Ronaldo. and was super instrumental with a huge goal in the final. While Ronaldo has missed several big game opportunities.

It's the player of the year award. You dont compare different years of players. You compare THIS year (thus the name, player of the year). And THIS year.... ronaldo scored more goals as a WINGER then Torres did as a FORWARD. This really isn't even close, so i don't see why some people are saying that Torres deserves to win. Torres is very very good, but Ronaldo was on a level of his own this year.

Torres was very bad in EURO 2008

Really? I really didn't thinks so, am I the only one?

No you're certainly not! Torres was useful in a lot of ways, football is a lot more than just step-overs, and doing everything to score. On intelligence alone C.Ronaldo would never be the best. IMO only players that can control the game, have unthinkable creativity that can break the whole defense in a second with a pass or a run and perform when it's needed against any opposition can truly be the best. Ronaldo has none of these qualities IMO he's not even the best at United Rooney is a God compared to him. Ronaldo maybe does dribble good but in that aspect he's far inferior to Ronaldinho and concerning his goals, there where a lot of players that were selfish and got a lot of goals from themselves but were never though to be the best here he's no better than Ruud for example. You all say he's a winger, in almost all the games i watched united play he was coming more infront of the goal than even Rooney so id say he had his chances to take those goals also being the penalty taker and the free kick taker. And from all his goals a lot where just tap-ins. Plus his teamwork is 0 actually he's so selfish he damages the rest of the team and on that alone he could never be the best to me. He is good but IMO he is very over-rated.

THIS IS MY OPINION so dont bother proving me wrong. I don't care. i'm just sick a bit of all the **** people say against Messi or Kaka' just to proove that he is better.

And another thing United would be 10x the team without him.

EDIT: One more thing Ronaldo is what he is because of Rooney!

Seeing your sig, I understand why you feel that way. Now lets compare Ronaldo's first year in the EPL to Torres' first year in the EPL. Because of this, I feel Torres stood out more and was dominating the EPL (pound for pound) more than Ronaldo. and was super instrumental with a huge goal in the final. While Ronaldo has missed several big game opportunities.

Yes that's very smart comparing Ronaldo's first season in a big team at the age of 18 and Torres' first season in a big team at the age of 23. Barely any factors that influence the outcome, right?


Now, were you even watching EPL this season or just the few Liverpool games? Torres dominated the EPL, that's a laugh, anybody from Liverpool doesn't even come close to being mentioned as somebody dominating the EPL. Rio Ferdinand showed just how easy it is to cover him out of the game. And that missed big game opportunities is getting old now, Ronaldo scored a huge goal in the CL final that allowed United to win it because Chelsea were never gonna go for 90 minutes without scoring.


Deni Rossonero: nobody will even try to prove you wrong, you are too biased just like many other Kaka and Messi fans. Just the fact alone that you said Ronaldo only does step-overs, never passes and has zero creativity killed your credibility. So what's the point?


call him an asshole, ****, jerk, golddigger, money-grabbing backstaber, bitch, crybaby whatever, but there is one thing you can't take away from him and that's his footballing ability, which was matched by none in the past year.

You completely misunderstood what i wrote. I know that he currently is in the best form of all players in the world and what he did in this last season was great, but still i was referring from my point of view to things that for me separate the best, and to me Gerrard or Rooney are better players than Ronaldo, that shouldn't bother you, and if you weren't so up for a debate you'd see that i didn't mean to negate his talents but simply said that even with that because of the things he's missing there are better players in the world FOR ME, and by the way don't twist my words i never said he doesn't pass or does only step-overs (do you have to oversimplify and use my lack of will to make a little novel of a post to make arguements). And to me compared to players like Deco, Pirlo, Xavi, Messi, Ronaldinho he has 0 creativity, sorry but behind this one i stand.
P.s. What's with that call him this call him that? Did i sound hostile towards him at all. I actually don't even have a negative opinion on him i just don't rate him that high.

IMHO, based on 2007/2008 season, Ronaldo deserves to be crowned World Player of the Year. Yes, he does score the ugly goals but he also scores the beautiful ones as well, and bear in mind, that the fact he scored 42 goals for the season, he was top scorer in the EPL, top scorer in the CL, says it all, sure he's got a great team behind him but he was the one that stood out the most with his performances. And not everyone can score from tap-ins on a frequent basis, if your not in-form and lack the composure you can miss the easy ones as well(Adebayor :D)

Despite having an average Euro, I thought he had a similar tournament to Torres, despite Torres performing a bit better than him. I also thought that Villa/Silva/Senna/Xavi were better than Torres tbh. But the fact that Torres scored the winning goal in the final swayed a lot of people's minds towards him. Especially after Cristina's Portugal were dumped out by the Germans.

I also think he deserves it because the fact that the 60++ games you play in the season defines and evaluates your performance more than 6 games or so in the Euros. But club and country are two different things so thats open for debate.

Simply put, Ronaldo had a more successful season than Torres with his club, also performing better and delivered when he needed to(I can name many of the crucial occasions where he annoyed us by scoring). Torres wasn't that spectacular in the Euros but scored the goal that won Spain the Euros and Ronaldo's team only got to the QFs and he also wasn't spectacular either.

The only thing that hinders Ronaldo from being accepted by the people is his attitude(especially in this transfer saga) and his lack of team effort(especially when things don't go his way). And the f@#ing grinning gay face of his as well.
He also doesn't know the meaning of "tracking back".:nape:

Those are all facts which are non-disputable i agree with you on everthing and i even don't think that there is any competition between him and Torres for this years Ballon d'Or or Player of the year awards. He's the obvious choice.

You completely misunderstood what i wrote. I know that he currently is in the best form of all players in the world and what he did in this last season was great, but still i was referring from my point of view to things that for me separate the best, and to me Gerrard or Rooney are better players than Ronaldo, that shouldn't bother you, and if you weren't so up for a debate you'd see that i didn't mean to negate his talents but simply said that even with that because of the things he's missing there are better players in the world FOR ME, and by the way don't twist my words i never said he doesn't pass or does only step-overs (do you have to oversimplify and use my lack of will to make a little novel of a post to make arguements). And to me compared to players like Deco, Pirlo, Xavi, Messi, Ronaldinho he has 0 creativity, sorry but behind this one i stand.
P.s. What's with that call him this call him that? Did i sound hostile towards him at all. I actually don't even have a negative opinion on him i just don't rate him that high.

Alright, like you said that's your opinion. Mine is completely different.


PS. no you didn't sound hostile, i was just trying to make a point that his attitude is very bad, but at least from what i see his footballing talents are great.

EDIT: One more thing i Ronaldo is what he is because of Rooney!

hahahaha what :rolleyes:

hahahaha what :rolleyes:

I believe the point of my post was that i like batman more than superman.
Batman is a bat and a man while superman is a super and a man ,and i don't like that.

Torres was very bad in EURO 2008

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDD and you only see the goals of tournament