If I may be so bold, I thought it would be fun to open up a thread for predicting/debating/bitching about who will win each league, who will qualify for Europe, and who will be relegated. There hasn't been a thread like this for a while and they used to be a lot of fun.

I'm going to limit my predictions to the big leagues in Europe, but predictions for other leagues are welcome and encouraged.

Here are mine, in no particular order:

EPL
1. Liverpool
2. Man U
3. Chelsea
4. Arsenal
5. Everton
6. Aston Villa
.
.
18. Middlesbrough
19. Hull City
20. West Brom

La Liga
1. Barcelona
2. Real Madrid
3. Sevilla
4. Villareal
5. Deportivo
6. Malaga
.
.
18. Betis :D
19. Espanyol
20. Numancia

Serie A
1. Inter
2. Juventus
3. Milan
4. Fiorentina
5. Roma
6. Genoa
.
.
18. Bologna
19. Torino
20. Reggina

Bundesliga
1. Bayern
2. Hamburg
3. Hertha
4. Wolfsburg
5. Stuttgart
.
.
16. Arminia
17. Energie
18. Karlsruhe

I know it's not Europe but Cleveland got promoted to the USL-1 (second tier) from the third tier USL-2 at the end of last year.

Sorry, I'm just giddy that it actually happened here.

I know it's not Europe but Cleveland got promoted to the USL-1 (second tier) from the third tier USL-2 at the end of last year.

Sorry, I'm just giddy that it actually happened here.
Mkay, off-topic, but that reminds me that this is a good place to discuss promotions as well. I haven't been following second divisions much, not even in Spain, so I don't have any kind of solid opinion.

Are you from Cleveland or what? You're an Arsenal fan, your profile says you're from Greenland, so I'm confused.

@ Sevillista: I tend to agree with you... I was thinking maybe Villa would get 5th, but I suspect they are pretty much heart-broken now, and will get another thumping or two before the end of the season. I'd also be really amused to see either of Newcastle or Blackburn fall (Big Sam's other two clubs.) instead of Hull City.

Mkay, off-topic, but that reminds me that this is a good place to discuss promotions as well. I haven't been following second divisions much, not even in Spain, so I don't have any kind of solid opinion.

Are you from Cleveland or what? You're an Arsenal fan, your profile says you're from Greenland, so I'm confused.

No, I'm from a ghetto in Charlotte, North Carolina. I have family that support Arse, so I do too.

I'll predict England:

1. Arsenal
2. Man Utd
3. Liverpool
4. Chelsea
5. Aston Villa
6. Everton

18. Newcastle
19. Blackburn
20. WBA

Serie A
1. Inter
2. Juventus
3. AC Milan
4. Genoa
5. Roma
6. Fiorentina
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18. Chievo
19. Reggina
20. Torino

This thread couldn't have come at a better time... this is how the romanian table is right now, and I hope to God it doesn't change till the end of the season (Y)

Liga I (Romania)

1. Dinamo
2. Unirea Urz.
3. Rapid
4. FC Timisoara
5. CFR Cluj
6. U. Craiova
...
8. Steaua (H)
...
16. Gaz Metan
17. CS Otopeni
18. Gloria Bz

@ Sevillista: I tend to agree with you... I was thinking maybe Villa would get 5th, but I suspect they are pretty much heart-broken now, and will get another thumping or two before the end of the season. I'd also be really amused to see either of Newcastle or Blackburn fall (Big Sam's other two clubs.) instead of Hull City.
I have to go with Hull as they've won 1 match in their last 14, but I'd love to see Blackburn fall.

No, I'm from a ghetto in Charlotte, North Carolina. I have family that support Arse, so I do too.

I'll predict England:

1. Arsenal
2. Man Utd
3. Liverpool
4. Chelsea
5. Aston Villa
6. Everton

18. Newcastle
19. Blackburn
20. WBA
Nice prediction, Cesc.

I did a prediction.

EPL
1. Man Utd
2. Chelsea
3. Liverpool
4. Arsenal
5. Villa
6. Everton
.
.
18. Stoke
19. Middlesbrough
20. West Brom

LFP
1. Barcelona
2. Real Madrid
3. Sevilla
4. Villarreal
5. Atletico
6. Deportivo
.
.
18. Recreativo
19. Numanica
20. Espanyol

Serie A
1. Inter
2. Juventus
3. AC Milan
4. Genoa
5. Roma
6. Fiorentina
.
.
18. Bologna
19. Reggina
20. Lecce

Bundesliga
1. Bayern
2. HSV
3. Hertha
4. Hoffenheim
5. Wolfsburg
.
.
16. Bochum
17. Cottbus
18. Karlsruhe

Liga Sagres

1º - F.C. Porto
2º - Sporting .C.P
3º - S.C. Braga
4º - S.L. Benfica [ I hope not, but this is based on the poor games that we are making ]
5º - C.D. Nacional
.
.
.
15º - C.D. Trofense
16º - Rio Ave .F.C

La Liga
1. Barcelona
2. Real Madrid
3. Sevilla
4. Villareal
5. Deportivo
6. Malaga
.
.
18. Betis :D
19. Espanyol
20. Numancia

nah, i dont think málaga can keep the level and qualifique for uefa front atleti

"my" prediction
1° Barça
2° Madrid
3° Sevilla
4° Villarreal
5° Deportivo
6° Atlético de Madrid

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Espanyol + 2 more (H)

hy guys! let's see..


Liga I(Romania)
1Rapid
2.Urziceni
3.Dinamo( a team who pay money to referees for winning matches,unprouved yet)(Y)Let them prepare for CL):innocent_smile_1:
4.Steaua(the only team from Romania who won Champions League in other format-1986)
5.Poli
6.Vaslui




Rel:
16.Gaz Metan
17.Otopeni
18.Buzau

nah, i dont think málaga can keep the level and qualifique for uefa front atleti

"my" prediction
1° Barça
2° Madrid
3° Sevilla
4° Villarreal
5° Deportivo
6° Atlético de Madrid

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Espanyol + 2 more (H)
I think you underestimate Atletico's penchant for choking

yes they are "el pupas" but with the squad they has, at least uefa.

Turkcell SüperLig ( Turkey )

1- Beşiktaş JK
2- Fenerbahçe SK
3- Sivasspor
4- Trabzonspor
5- Galatasaray SK
.
.
16-Denizlispor
17-Kocaelispor
18-Hacettepe

champions for other leagues ;
league - my guess - my wish
England - Man Utd. // Man Utd
Spain - Barcelona // Barcelona
Italy - Inter // Juventus
Germany - Hamburg // Werder Br.

La Liga
1. Barcelona
2. Sevilla
3. Sevilla
4. Deportivo
5. Real Madrid (H)
6. Patetico de Madrid
.
.
18. --
19. --
20. Espanyol

:(

Spain - Barcelona // Barcelona


(H) that would be nice.

EPL
1.Manchester United
2.Liverpool
3.Chelsea
4.Arsenal
5.Aston Villa
6.Everton
........
.........
........
18.Hull City
19.Newcastle United
20.Portsmouth

La Liga
1. Barcelona
2. Sevilla
3. Sevilla
4. Deportivo
5. Real Madrid (H)
6. Patetico de Madrid
.
.
18. --
19. --
20. Espanyol

:(
Would we get two Champions League spots? :innocent_smile_1:

EPL

........
18.Hull City
19.Newcastle United
20.Portsmouth

West Brom to escape the drop? That's a prediction that would win a sizeable chunk of change at the Betting shop!

Associazione Sportiva di Bari to be promoted and Lecce to be relegated...hopefully, we dont get relegated after our first year back(that's if they dont blow it during the remainder of the season), but god can be very cruel sometimes

West Brom to escape the drop? That's a prediction that would win a sizeable chunk of change at the Betting shop!
Man Everyone knows that they are gonna get the drop. Just wanted to save them from the misery by not reminding them about it.:biggrinx:

But Frankly Speaking, I forgot to include West Brom In the list. :icon_spin:

The New One:
EPL
1.Manchester United
2.Liverpool
3.Chelsea
4.Arsenal
5.Aston Villa
6.Everton
........
.........
........
18.Portsmouth
19.Newcastle United
20.West Bromwich Albion

I think Pompey have enough. Boro and Toon look flat, I don't care that Shearer is back.

Middlesboro I'm disappointed with how they are doinggg. They have the talent to be in the mid section. But its looking scary for them. And what position is Hull in now in the EPL? Did they run out of gas yet? (H)




oh yeaaaaaaa




and Espanyol... 8|8|

yes they are "el pupas" but with the squad they has, at least uefa.
Atletico lost 2 - 4 at home to 18th place Osasuna. Still sure they'll be in UEFA?

Yes. ladys and gentlemans this is atleti.

Middlesborough have talent in their squad, but not talent in the manager. Plus Downing is not even that special anymore. If he was, Boro wouldn't be in this situation. Almost certainly will he go to Tottingham for an unbelievable amount of money.

Wolves just got promoted to the EPL.

Wow, that's early. How many games do they have left to play?

Spanish Primera Division


1. FC Barcelona
2. Real Madrid
3. FC Sevilla
4. Villareal
5. Valencia
6. Atletico Madrid
.
.
.
18. Sporting
19. Numancia
20. Espanyol :bouncy:


Romania Liga I

1. FC Timisoara*
2. Dinamo
3. Unirea Urziceni
4. Universitatea Craiova :D
5. Rapid
6. CFR Cluj
.
.
.
16. Farul Constanta
17. CS Otopeni
18. Gloria Buzau

EPL

1. Liverpool
2. Chelsea
3. Manchester :crazy:
4. Arsenal
5. Aston Villa
6. Everton
.
.
.
18. Middlesbrough
19. Blackburn Rovers
20. West Bromwich

Serie A

1. Inter
2. AC Milan
3. Juventus
4. Fiorentina
5. Genoa
6. Roma
.
.
.
18. Torino
19. Lecce
20. Reggina

Ligue 1

1. Marseille
2. Lyon
3. Bordeaux
4. PSG
.
.
.
18. Sochaux
19. Caen
20. Le Havre

Bundesliga

1. Wolfsburg
2. Bayern
3. Stuttgart
4. Hamburg (they'll win UEFA Cup :D )
5. Schalke
.
.
.
18. Bielefeld
19. Bochum
20. Karlsruhe

Wow, that's early. How many games do they have left to play?

England Championship just left 2 games to play. They play 46 games in one season.
Well Charlton is relegated to League 1.

Woah... How many matches do the play each week?

Really sad that Charlton are going down another tier.

Financial problem is killing many lower division clubs in England. They have been deducted 10~30 points.

Darlington: Deducted 10 points - entering administration
Rotherham United: Deducted 17 points - FL Insolvency Policy
AFC Bournemouth: Deducted 17 points - FL Insolvency Policy
Luton Town: Deducted 30 points - breach of FA regulations | FL Insolvency Policy - Now they are relegated to conference. In 05/06 season they were in Championship.

AZ Alkmaar won Eredivise 08/09.
Actually only PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord won Eredivisie since 1980/81 season(79/08 season winner was Alkmaar)
Twente is on second place and Ajax is on third place and three games are left but AZ has 76 pts and Twente has only 65 pts so others have to do play-off.
PSV is on 4th place now and Feyenoord is in 9th place. Why did they(Feyenoord) play bad on recent seasons?

Great to see a new team winning in Holland after so many years.

Ajax has now just become a feeder club for the Big European Clubs with due respect to them.
So bring back Cruyff.

AZ Alkmaar won Eredivise 08/09.
Actually only PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord won Eredivisie since 1980/81 season(79/08 season winner was Alkmaar)
Twente is on second place and Ajax is on third place and three games are left but AZ has 76 pts and Twente has only 65 pts so others have to do play-off.
PSV is on 4th place now and Feyenoord is in 9th place. Why did they(Feyenoord) play bad on recent seasons?
Actually, you can track that back to 1965. AZ won Eredivisie in 1981 and was then the first team to stop Ajax, PSV and Feyenoord's winning streak lasting from 1965. Those three teams have won it every year since '65, except in '81.

Newcastle can't go down... :(

Come on Shearer

Newcastle can't go down... :(

Come on Shearer


If Madrid wins La Liga, Newcastle will stay in Premier League as well. :D

Come on Ramos.

Come on Ramos.

isnt in his hands.

I don't even know who will be relegated from La Liga anymore... except Numancia. Espanyol has won three of their last four matches. Recre has gotten only one point in their last 7 matches...

At this point I would have to guess:
18. Sporting
19. Recre
20. Numancia

Southampton got relegated to League One but they're going to fight a 10 point deduction.

Yes the Saints are also going down.......The english FA needs to do sumthing abt the apparent financial problems of these clubs.

I have yet to understand how a point deduction is supposed to help a team get rid of debt.... anybody care to explain it to me in some quick words?

I don't even know who will be relegated from La Liga anymore... except Numancia. Espanyol has won three of their last four matches. Recre has gotten only one point in their last 7 matches...

At this point I would have to guess:
18. Sporting
19. Recre
20. Numancia

espanyol must go second divison, will be a shame if not :nape:

I have yet to understand how a point deduction is supposed to help a team get rid of debt.... anybody care to explain it to me in some quick words?

It's supposed to act as a deterrent to keep teams from overspending.

...a point deduction is supposed to help a team get rid of debt.... ...

If only it were that simple................

...............Man United would no longer be in the Prem.

Lyon draw against PSG at their home. Marselle and Bordeaux didn't played 33th round yet. If Marselle win against Lille(6th)on away then Lyon will be really hard to win League.

1 Marselle 32 18 10 4 54 28 26 64
2 Bordeaux 32 18 8 6 51 29 22 62
3 Lyon 33 17 10 6 43 25 18 61
4 PSG 33 18 6 9 46 33 13 60

Hoffenheim lost against Hertha Berlin at their home(0-1). Now they are on 8th place but other team's 29th round didn't played yet and so their dream of European stage can be impossible(Reaching at least 5th place of league). They didn't won during 3 months. Btw Hertha BSC reached to 2nd place so they can still hope to win Bundesliga(First time).

Lyon draw against PSG at their home. Marselle and Bordeaux didn't played 33th round yet. If Marselle win against Lille(6th)on away then Lyon will be really hard to win League.

1 Marselle 32 18 10 4 54 28 26 64
2 Bordeaux 32 18 8 6 51 29 22 62
3 Lyon 33 17 10 6 43 25 18 61
4 PSG 33 18 6 9 46 33 13 60


(H)

I'm praying for Marseille to win. My boy is going to lift the trophy in Veledrome after 19 years and end Lyon's dominance.

Peterborough United got promoted. Probably the best thing to happen this season since it keeps the franchise from automatic promotion.

Newcastle has been officially relegated...... :(


The only plus that can come from this is that they can rebuild and get a team that actually has the ability to score..

Germany

Bundesliga
Champions: VfL Wolfsburg
Champions League: Bayern München
Champions League qualifiers: VfB Stuttgart
Europa League: Hertha BSC, Hamburger SV, Bayer Leverkusen / Werder Bremen
Relegated: Arminia Bielefeld, Karlsruher SC

Promoted: SC Freiburg, 1. FSV Mainz 05

"Relegation-Match" for Bundesliga: 1.FC Nürnberg - Energie Cottbus

Promoted to Bundesliga 2: 1. FC Union Berlin, Fortuna Düsseldorf
Promoted to 3. Liga: FC Ingolstadt 04, SV Wehen Wiesbaden
"Relegation-Match" for Bundesliga 2: VfL Osnabrück - SC Paderborn

Newcastle has been officially relegated...... :(

Very bad. :(

Liga Sagres

Champions: FC Porto;
Champions League: Sporting CP;
Europa League: SL Benfica, Nacional da Madeira, SC Braga, Paços de Ferreira;
Relegated: Trofense, Belenenses;

Promoted: Olhanense, União de Leiria;

This time the voodoo was too strong!

... or not strong enough, I'm not even sure which way it was supposed to work :D

Sucks to see a club like Newcastle go down. Just awful. Oh well, they instantly become the most popular FM club for 2010.

sevilla is already 3rth, atletico and villarreal will fight for the last slot next week. valencia or depor uefa.

sevilla is already 3rth

Instant plus rep right there!! (Y)

I just watched how Standard Liege won the title second time in the last two seasons. Good for them.

Instant plus rep right there!! (Y)

lol sorry remove the r ( well, i think so :blush:)

Sucks to see a club like Newcastle go down. Just awful...

It pains me to say they just might do a Leeds,hope Shearer stays and sorts them out.

TURKEY
just one week to the end and we have two nominees for championship , Besiktas JK and Sivasspor ..its been a weird season..so , no Galatasaray and Fenerbahce for the top ..

Besiktas-----68
Sivasspor----66
Trabzonspor--65
Fenerbahce--58
Galatasaray--58
.
.
.
.
Konyaspor---35
Kocaelispor--26
Hacettepe---22

Antalyaspor , Denizlispor , Genclerbirligi are also in danger zone ..

Besiktas have won "Fortis Turkiye Kupasi" last week .. they are in good form and i believe they'll be the champions , the last match of Sivas will happen in istanbul againts Galatasaray n i think they'll beat Sivas..


and im sorry for Newcastle .. hope they come back soon ...

Newcastle should've kept Big Sam. Where are the 'you don't know what you're doing' boys now?

Newcastle down :(. But it'll be a very good bet for championship matches, like Birmingham, Wolves and Reading have been this season :D

Newcastle relegated. Wow what a pity :( and they should wait some seasons maybe.

Scotland
Rangers 86
Celtic 82
Hearts 59
Aberdeen 53
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Inverness 37
and St. Johnstone promoted.

Bari and Parma will promote to Serie A next season. Well can someone explain Serie B's relegation system?

Greece
Olympiakos 71(Double)
PAOK 63
Panathinakios 61
AEK 55
Larissa 49
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OFI Crete 24
Panserraikos 24
Thrasivoulos 14

how many leagues has rangers?? 222353?? its probably the club with more leagues in the world ...

52, and they're the most successful team in the world in terms of league titles, yes. It's worth noting they're only the third most successful Scottish club in Europe. An honor they share with Dundee United having made a UEFA Cup final and lost. Aberdeen are the most successful, then Celtic.

Germany

Bundesliga
Champions: VfL Wolfsburg
...

What a joke, Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga!
Imagine, they are playing in CL next year... OMG

lol sorry remove the r ( well, i think so :blush:)

Haha, adorable.

What a joke, Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga!
Imagine, they are playing in CL next year... OMG

Well I see them spending a lot of money in the summer, you know they are owned by Volkswagen.


edit:

Top 5 goal scorers (The first number is matches played, the second goals scored and the third are assists)

1. Grafite VfL Wolfsburg 25 28 8
2. Edin Dzeko VfL Wolfsburg 32 26 7
3. Mario Gomez VfB Stuttgart 32 24 8
4. Patrick Helmes Bayer Leverkusen 34 21 5
5. Vedad Ibisevic 1899 Hoffenheim 17 18 6

52, and they're the most successful team in the world in terms of league titles, yes. It's worth noting they're only the third most successful Scottish club in Europe. An honor they share with Dundee United having made a UEFA Cup final and lost. Aberdeen are the most successful, then Celtic.

Celtic won the Champions League in 1967 and is the only scottish club to do so. So it should be the most successful ahead of Aberdeen.

What a joke, Wolfsburg won the Bundesliga!
Imagine, they are playing in CL next year... OMG



Amazing post by 'Generic Oval', with a Fifa sig.

Have you seen Grafite's sexy 'goal of the millenia' ? That alone should crown them champions.

Also, yes I want to see them in the CL, maybe you could make an argument if they were third or something but they are f*cking champions. They will be better than seeing BATE atleast.

Celtic won the Champions League in 1967 and is the only scottish club to do so. So it should be the most successful ahead of Aberdeen.

Aberdeen have won two European trophies.

Celtic won the Champions League in 1967 and is the only scottish club to do so. So it should be the most successful ahead of Aberdeen.

n00b.

Aberdeen have won two European trophies.

1 European Cup Winners Cup and 1 European Super Cup. Yes they have more European trophies but the CL is definitely more prestigious than these 2.

n00b.

I don't give a damn :rolleyes:

Well I see them spending a lot of money in the summer, you know they are owned by Volkswagen.


edit:

Top 5 goal scorers (The first number is matches played, the second goals scored and the third are assists)

1. Grafite VfL Wolfsburg 25 28 8
2. Edin Dzeko VfL Wolfsburg 32 26 7
3. Mario Gomez VfB Stuttgart 32 24 8
4. Patrick Helmes Bayer Leverkusen 34 21 5
5. Vedad Ibisevic 1899 Hoffenheim 17 18 6

Wolfsburg's scoring record is impressive, and the Bundesliga as a whole this season.

They will be better than seeing BATE atleast.

http://www.thespoiler.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/sporno-gallery/oldlady.jpg

(H)

Wolfsburg's scoring record is impressive, and the Bundesliga as a whole this season.

The Bundesliga has really impressed me this year. Over the course of the season, there was 5 different contenders for the title.

Poor old lady... :( Does she go elsewhere to... you know...




defeat opponents?

Alan Shearer had this to say about Newcastle:
"We've got one left-back and one right-back at the football club. It doesn't take a genius to work out that you need more than that.


Out of a squad of what size? No wonder...

Poor old lady... :( Does she go elsewhere to... you know...




defeat opponents?

Alan Shearer had this to say about Newcastle:


Out of a squad of what size? No wonder...

The English Premier League as a whole has next to NO DEPTH...other than a few teams!!! Once you get past the Big 4, the "quality of opposition" factor experiences a steep drop off. You just cannot rely on any of those trailing teams to pose much of a threat to the the Champions League teams....you just can't. Because they won't. It doesn't matter if you get your hopes up that a rival, that you're chasing, has to deal with injuries and yellow cards......if they are a top4 team, they will NOT be beaten by the trailing teams in the big games. Those weaker teams are so weak that they WILL find a way to lose. The league just doesn't have the kind of depth that people seem to suggest it does. Aston Villa, Tottenham, Everton and City just aren't up to snuff and quite frankly cannot be depended on to dislodge, or even present a sizeable challenge, to any of the Big 4.

You won't get that in Italy.....AC Milan had hopes of catching Inter...ok, they may have not had a realistic chance of catching but they could have atleast put the pressure on Inter by wining their games.....yet they've had trouble against teams other than Juve or Inter. Even Real Madrid in Spain, especially over the last few weeks, struggled to keep the pressure on Barca....lesser teams are challenging them AND BEATING THEM! You just can't expect that to happen in England.

The English Premier League as a whole has next to NO DEPTH...other than a few teams!!! Once you get past the Big 4, the "quality of opposition" factor experiences a steep drop off. You just cannot rely on any of those trailing teams to pose much of a threat to the the Champions League teams....you just can't. Because they won't. It doesn't matter if you get your hopes up that a rival, that you're chasing, has to deal with injuries and yellow cards......if they are a top4 team, they will NOT be beaten by the trailing teams in the big games. Those weaker teams are so weak that they WILL find a way to lose. The league just doesn't have the kind of depth that people seem to suggest it does. Aston Villa, Tottenham, Everton and City just aren't up to snuff and quite frankly cannot be depended on to dislodge, or even present a sizeable challenge, to any of the Big 4.

You won't get that in Italy.....AC Milan had hopes of catching Inter...ok, they may have not had a realistic chance of catching but they could have atleast put the pressure on Inter by wining their games.....yet they've had trouble against teams other than Juve or Inter. Even Real Madrid in Spain, especially over the last few weeks, struggled to keep the pressure on Barca....lesser teams are challenging them AND BEATING THEM! You just can't expect that to happen in England.

Italy has a couple of teams (Fiorentina being one, though they've returned) that have spent themselves into oblivion trying it. England has Leeds. Parma will be back in Serie A next year but they and Lazio are shells of what they once were from chasing waterfalls. Como and Perlugia may never be back above Serie C.

You have to be intelligent when trying to ascend. Like Fulham, Everton and Villa. Granted the latter two were big clubs anyway, they did have to reload. Fulham have come close to the edge a couple of times but seem to have their house in order. If things go tits up, City will be in a lot of trouble.

Newcastle is a case of extreme mismanagement that traces back to the sacking of Sir Bobby. They'll have a harder go of it than Boro or WBA next season.

You can beat the big teams, that's great, Bolton used to be specialists at it - there was even a brief period where Man Utd feared Bolton above Liverpool and Chelsea, but Bolton always used to finish 16th. It's about doing work all season, not charging up and taking Arsenal's scalp but wearing yourself out then getting tonked by Hull.

Newcastle have 15 players on +50k per week, there's no way they'll come back instantly. unless they sell almost everyone and a massive overhaul takes place on all aspects I see them going down a la Leeds or Forrest. they should start investing in youth or decent players at least, get a proper manager as keeping Shearer would get them nowhere, and try to create an organised group. shame to see a club like this go down, but it was the only way to get them out of this bad spell they've been on since Sir Bobby left. I wish they'd have Juventus' luck, when they got demoted.

Juventus was never on a free fall when they were demoted, they were just sent there. Newcastle is just..... bad. since shearer was put in, only one win in eight games, and that win was an even worse team. It's going to be a very interesting summer, and year for the toon army..

The problem is, who can Newcastle get money for? Jonás Gutiérrez?

15 players on >50k/week? Who?!

Edit: Nevermind - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1187448/Meltdown-Newcastle-8217-s-71m-wage-nightmare--stay.html

Owen (105k), Duff, Martins, Viduka, Geremi, Butt, Nolan, Gutiérrez, Beye, Xisco (seventh-choice striker), Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Barton, Smith, and Given (departed in Jan).

Top 5 goal scorers (The first number is matches played, the second goals scored and the third are assists)

1. Grafite VfL Wolfsburg 25 28 8
2. Edin Dzeko VfL Wolfsburg 32 26 7


Wow. Magnificent record made by two players! They deserve 67.5% of Wolfsburg's total goal and third scorer of Wolfsburg(Misimovic)scored 6 goals. Despite if that will be problem of Wolfsburg next season I'm thinking that some clubs may be interested on them because they didn't do well only these season and they reached their potential. Grafite scored almost 10 goals per every season since he played in top division of European leagues and Dzeko played a few match last season but scored 8 goals. Grafite's record is just amazing because he overcomed his injury prone on midterm of this season(Lasted one and a half month)and having more than one goals per match as average is quite rare in top European leagues. Dzeko is doing well on Bosnia-Herzegovina NT. He scored 7 goals and he is on the top of goal scorers. As so, WC qualification stage in Europe has just 4 matches left and Bosnia is on 2nd place(1st is Spain)on group E. They are leading Turkey(3rd place)by 4 points so they can hope for qualifying on WC 2010 maybe.

Wolfsburg and Hoffenheim are two interesting teams on Bundesliga 08-09. At first, their great results were done by good goal scorers like players above(Wolfsburg)or Ibisevic, Ba(Hoffenheim). Wolfsburg was just on the middle of the table since march and Hoffenheim was on the stage which they can play for CL next season. But after march, Wolfsburg climbed the table and Hoffenheim suddenly declined after Ibisevic's injury. It was followed by Wolfsburg's 10 games winning sequence and Hoffenheim's 11 match unwinning sequence. Wolfsburg's away record was not good enough but they made no lose and only one draw on home match.



By the way I don't think Hoffenheim will follow the way of Reading but I think Hull will....

TURKEY report

Besiktas the champion !!
Besiktas and Sivasspor go to the Champions league
Fenerbahce, Galatasaray and Trabzonspor goes to Europa league

Konyaspor, Kocaelispor and Hacettepe are relegated

Bordeaux seal Ligue 1 Championship w/ 1-0 win against Caen.
Goal by Yoan Gouffran.

Bremen won the DFB Pokal against Leverkusen.


and third scorer of Wolfsburg(Misimovic)scored 6 goals. Despite if that will be problem of Wolfsburg next
He also had like 20 assists. It's a shame that we (Bayern) sold him a few years ago, but no one would have guessed that would end up being this good.

Atletico got the 4th place of La Liga by a 3-0 winning against Almeria.

In Ligue 1, Lyon finished season by 3rd. Btw Caen, Nantes, Le Havre relegated and Lens, Montpellier and Boulogne promoted.

Wisła Kraków have won the Polish title for the 12th time in their history. Górnik Zabrze and Cracovia Kraków were relegated. What a shame.:(

Wisła Kraków have won the Polish title for the 12th time in their history. Górnik Zabrze and Cracovia Kraków were relegated. What a shame.:(

Champions: Wisla Krakow
Europa League: Legia Warszawa, Lech Poznan, Polonia Warszawa
Relegated: Cracovia or LKS Lodz, Gornik Zabrze

Promoted: Zaglebie Lubin, Widzew Lodz

1-barça
2-madrid
3-sevilla
4-atlético
5-villarreal
6-valencia
....
18-Betis (OMG :( )
19-Numáncia
20-Recre

sevillista should be euphoric, sevilla in champions league and betis relegated (H)

Ritardo relegated lmao (H)

:icon_spin:

http://estaticos03.marca.com/albumes/2009/05/31/betis_valladolid_jornada_38/1243799389_extras_albumes_0.jpg

Betis a segunda!

aww!

incisive sh't dude...
any Betis fan around SG for the bitchslap to begin? (H)

Don't know if someone non-Romanian here know about: Unirea Urziceni, the new Romania champions :D

They will participate direct in UEFA CHampions League groups next season :D

that betis dude probably got some good relegation sex after all the crying...spanish chicks rule