http://www.otherlandtoys.co.uk/england_logo150.jpg.....vs....http://www.worldstopbrands.com/_mm/_d/_ext3/77100/big_Cbf%20Confederacao%20Brasileira%20De%20Futebol 01.gif

LOCATION: At the 50,000-seater Khalifa International Stadium in Doha, Qatar.

Date: November 14, 2009. It will take place six days after Chelsea play Manchester United in the Premier League, with Liverpool playing Birmingham City five days before the England match.

England
First international: Scotland 0–0 England (Partick, Scotland; 30 November 1872)
Biggest win: Ireland 0–13 England (Belfast, Ireland; 18 February 1882)
Biggest defeat: Hungary 7–1 England (Budapest, Hungary; 23 May 1954)
World Cup Appearances: 12 (First in 1950)
Best result Winners, 1966

European Championship
Appearances: 7 (First in 1968)
Best result 1968: Third, 1996 Semi-finals

Brazil

First international: Argentina 3–0 Brazil (Buenos Aires, Argentina; September 20, 1914)
Biggest win: Brazil 14–0 Nicaragua (Mexico; October 17, 1975)
Biggest defeat: Uruguay 6–0 Brazil (Viña del Mar, Chile; September 18, 1920)

World Cup
Appearances: 18 (First in 1930)
Best result Winners, 1958, 1962, 1970, 1994, 2002

Copa América
Appearances: 32 (First in 1916)
Best result Winners, 1919, 1922, 1949, 1989, 1997, 1999, 2004, 2007


Announcement of (mid-November) fixture:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8270824.stm

Game with 2 high profile teams. Discuss.

This is a hard one to pick....

not really...it will be a draw 1-1 Rooney/L.Babiano

England to win. Has Brazil beaten any opponent at England's level since the World Cup? Or in it? Only Argentina, and the last time it happened it was blamed on Argentina being bad, not Brazil being good. I don't care who wins in terms of support, but England will beat them, and they won't scrape it, either.

If England are good now, just wait until Joe Cole is fully fit, they could be unstoppable at the World Cup.

So England will win the World Cup?

Possibly. I'm hoping for Oranje, though, unless Israel somehow qualify.

Boring friendlies...

0-0

Players will be focused on their club more than their NT since it's only a friendly. So I expect a 0-0 or possibly a 1-1... although i hope brazil win by a few.

I want England to win but i can see a draw coming...

This thread seems a tad premature.

England to win. Has Brazil beaten any opponent at England's level since the World Cup? Or in it? Only Argentina, and the last time it happened it was blamed on Argentina being bad, not Brazil being good. I don't care who wins in terms of support, but England will beat them, and they won't scrape it, either.

If England are good now, just wait until Joe Cole is fully fit, they could be unstoppable at the World Cup.
At England's level? They've beaten Uruguay, Peru, Chile.... :D

But they've also beaten Argentina, USA (twice), Italy, Egypt, and those were in official competition.

Who has England beaten besides Croatia that has you so confident? Andorra? Kazahkstan? Slovakia?

This thread seems a tad premature.


At England's level? They've beaten Uruguay, Peru, Chile.... :D

But they've also beaten Argentina, USA (twice), Italy, Egypt, and those were in official competition.

Who has England beaten besides Croatia that has you so confident? Andorra? Kazahkstan? Slovakia?
:rofl: nice!

But well put, England has yet to beat someone BIG!. For them not to have made the World cup from their group that easily would be a much bigger story.

I put my chances on an 1-1 draw..but who knows after all?!...Maybe if Owen will play and the match will have 95-96 minutes, i suppose England will won with 2-1. :D

My pick is draw.

If England wants to win the WC, they should improve the defence. Their record at WCQ is better than any other times and smashed Croatia and it is cool for them (31 goals xd) but 5 goals conceded on 8 matches aren't that nice which comes to mind. Most recent WC winners conceded less than 0.5 goals per match. Teams in WC are much better than teams in WCQ.

I don't think (from the records) England isn't that weak at strong teams. But recently they didn't :blush:

Since the world cup??? are you serious???

Well let's see....Italy twice, a Good USA team in Confecup, France, Chile, Uruguay, Ecuador three times, Argentina three times, Egypt, Mexico, Portugal twice, Tied England (with basically a youth team), Chile three times, Ghana, Ireland , Sweden and others more....

All those countries since the last world cup and they are all either at, or just around England's level....just because England has beaten some ok teams in Europe, (maybe Croatia really) doesnt mean you are gonna win the world cup, and beat the likes of Germany, Spain, or Brazil or even an improved Argentina, when it matters...

England to win. Has Brazil beaten any opponent at England's level since the World Cup? Or in it? Only Argentina, and the last time it happened it was blamed on Argentina being bad, not Brazil being good. I don't care who wins in terms of support, but England will beat them, and they won't scrape it, either.

If England are good now, just wait until Joe Cole is fully fit, they could be unstoppable at the World Cup.

They beat Italy 3-0.

All of those matches don't count, everyone knows that. The point is England has Terry, Lamps, and the two Coles. Epic win.

Confederations cup and South American Qualifiers and Copa America dont count?.....ok

New world I guess.....

Not really. Although I think I did count the Argentina Copa America match as one of their best performances.

The only thing I'm taking from this discussion is that someone here is close to saying the England are the Best team in the world ATM. :icon_spin:

No but i rate england stronger than brazil.

The best team so far is Catalonia:

---------valdés-----------
bruno-puyol-piqué-capdevila
-------busquets----------
-----xavi---cesc---------
-messi--------sergio garcia--
---------bojan--------------

then spain.

Eh...Messi is Catelonian?

The only thing I'm taking from this discussion is that someone here is close to saying the England are the Best team in the world ATM. :icon_spin:

No, I didn't say that at all. I said they were better than Brazil at the moment, and once Joe Cole was fully fit and in his groove, they COULD be unstoppable at the World Cup. They have the players for it.

Eh...Messi is Catelonian?

of course he is.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/131/mess201613.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/mess201613.jpg/)

Eh...Messi is Catelonian?

They do allow some "foreign" players to play for them like Iniesta,Pepe Reina and Jordi Cruyff (he played when they beat Nigeria 5-0:()

Arnau who do they play this year?

On topic: Both teams will prolly use an understrength sides, then bring on their star players for cameo app. to appease the fans.

of course he is.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/131/mess201613.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/mess201613.jpg/)



He looked like he had Down Syndrome as a kid.

of course he is.
http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/131/mess201613.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/mess201613.jpg/)

Catalonia also has the Best Plastic Surgeons?

No but i rate england stronger than brazil.

The best team so far is Catalonia:

---------valdés-----------
bruno-puyol-piqué-capdevila
-------busquets----------
-----xavi---cesc---------
-messi--------sergio garcia--
---------bojan--------------

then spain.

No Ricky Rubio over Sergio Garcia? :icon_spin:

They do allow some "foreign" players to play for them like Iniesta,Pepe Reina and Jordi Cruyff (he played when they beat Nigeria 5-0:()

Arnau who do they play this year?

jordi cruyff and pepe reina are catalans.

No, I didn't say that at all. I said they were better than Brazil at the moment, and once Joe Cole was fully fit and in his groove, they COULD be unstoppable at the World Cup. They have the players for it.

There's a problem with that theory. It doesn't factor in that it's England. They'll find a way to screw up just like they always do.

No, I didn't say that at all. I said they were better than Brazil at the moment, and once Joe Cole was fully fit and in his groove, they COULD be unstoppable at the World Cup. They have the players for it.

Yes, they have the players for it, I'll give you that.. But until you play an opposition that is on equal footing with you, claiming that you are better than Brazil is a major exaggeration.

How many times Brazil has to beat European teams until arrogance wears off?

I guess 5 world cups is not enough...I for once cannot understand why you are talking about brazil as if they were a second rate team that you could beat with a couple good guys....under dunga brazil have become masterful game planners they have had their tactics right every time it mattered I expect great things from them in the world cup

I'd wish you lot would stop talking as if this is the general Consensus of England fans. It came from Azrael.

Anyway back to reality. Last time we played any decent opposition was the Spain Friendly. Even though we lost 2-0 I didn't think we did too badly, we created lots of chances. That day glen johnson, carlton cole, Jagielka, heskey and beckham all got a run on.

Glen johnson has radically improved (even though he still makes defensive errors, that will come with experience), heskey has proved a very tactical choice and beckham has been slowly discovered to be second choice behind players like young. Although still possibly a valid choice. No one works harder then he. Defoe is slowly proving himself as a superb striker.

The team has changed in a big way and defiantly for the better. Brazil will be a big test, if we can do anything remotely decent against them it will only reinforce the theory of our improvement.

There's also recent surprise that somehow Capello has managed to get Gerrard, Barry and Lampard playing well together. Couple that with the possibility of young, walcott or even joe Cole your left with a very strong midfield.

Not to mention arguably one of the strongest England players from the last world cup has just returned to training to further strengthen the midfield in Hargreaves.

Perhaps one last thing thats worth a mention... the partnership of Gerrard and Rooney. (The latter who is exceptionally on form) They are both starting to Gel very well. Better then I have ever seen them recently. If that partnership improves it will mean great things. (unfortunately Rooney's due breaking a toe or something daft when he over commits to a play.)

As for Brazil... they will do what Brazil does, will be a big test. I'm expecting a draw or a loss, but if we win, great.

I'm not even an England fan. I'm not even English. Get your facts right people.

lol your an odd lad. For interest sake who do you follow nationally? Israel? And you live in Shropshire? Just curious.

Nah the Shropshire is a quote from a book!

I'm part Brazilian, which means I can diss them and celebrate their victories.

After days of deliberating, I voted for England. Gerrard to win it with a BEAUUUTTTTTAAAYYYY.

Just get the ball to Stevie G!

There's a problem with that theory. It doesn't factor in that it's England. They'll find a way to screw up just like they always do.

Yeah but we have another factor called "CAPELLO".:innocent_smile_1:

well, only the first half of friendly matches is interesting. Second half is all about substitutions and the game looses its rhythm.

France 0-0 Brazil(May 2004, just before EURO 2004) is one of the best friendly matches I haev ever seen.

This guy named Azrael is just lame. What has England done if Brazil has not done anything.
Their recent results against big teams were as follows:
England 2-2 Holland
France 1-0 England
Germany 1-2 England
Spain 2-0 England
The only win against Germany came from a injury time Terry goal. And the teams that were in the qualification group of the England are no match to what Brazil have faced in the qualification campaign. Btw, Croatia were strong team when Davor Suker used to play, not today. Playing against andorra, belarus, kazakhstan is not as easy as it is to play with Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay, Chile, Ecaudor. Any of these teams will easily beat Andorra, Belarus and whatever teams England has faced during qualification.

Brazil's recent results against big teams are:
Italy 0-2 Brazil
Brazil 3-0 Italy
USA 0-3 Brazil
USA 2-3 Brazil
Brazil 6-2 Portugal
Argentina 1-3 Brazil
Paraguay 1-2 Brazil
Sweden 0-1 Brazil

I dont think England have any strong squad than Brazil. Their players play in elite teams in EPL doesn't mean that their team is better nor does it mean that English Players are better than Brazilian players. In the last world cup, England had hard time edging Ecaudor with a Beckham freekick. But English team has improved a lot after Capello has taken over but they have failed to prove against the FOOTBALL GIANTS.

Brazil and England have met 22 times and England has only managed 3 wins and Brazil have managed 10. Last time Brazil and England met, it was a draw. Brazil played with relatively unexperienced team and the game was played in England not Brazil. So England will need something brilliant if they have to beat Brazil.

England will be without lampard, gerrard, johnson, beckham, hargreaves as far as i remember. Brazil will be without Diego, Ronaldinho, Pato, Juan, Luisao, Baptista and adriano, ronaldo, ramaires have been left out of the squad due to their domestic games in Brazil.

England will have no Chelsea players and therefore won't win.

Please don't call people lame, dude. It's way out of line to just insult people because you disagree with them. I know you're new, but I expect more respect and civility from you in the future.

England will have no Chelsea players and therefore won't win.

Please don't call people lame, dude. It's way out of line to just insult people because you disagree with them. I know you're new, but I expect more respect and civility from you in the future.kettle, pot, black:

It's not like you're the only dumb person here.

or do you mean that people should not use the particular word "lame" in that way, while all other words (e.g. "dumb") intended for derogatory use are fine?

and clearly he didn't "just insult"; he backed up his response with a detailed post ...

not picking sides ... just pointing it out ...

If I thought you had a sense of humor I'd ask you if you were joining in on it, but I think your post speaks for itself.

If I thought your sense of humour had any hint of humour in it, then we wouldn't be having this discussion ...

well the argument is mute, Brazil is toying with England, as predicted...

well the argument is mute, Brazil is toying with England, as predicted...



England is playing with only 1 first team player: Rooney.

Gerrard, Lampard, Hargreaves, Terry, Ferdinand, Glen Johnson, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole etc are all not playing.
Whereas Brazil has most of their first team players today.

WE gained some useful knowledge from the game though hopefully, which is what after all, friendlies are all about.

Brown is not reliable when called upon. I hope no Man U fan ever say's that in his favour again. It's rubbish. He is so below the required level that it's funny. Same goes for Jenas, SWP, Bent, and Lescott.

Foster did well. As did Bridge who had a great game. Barry, Milner and Upson were very good too. Anyone not mentioned were simply invisible.

Fabio will use these performances to evaluate the rest of the squad, and I should think that at least a couple of today's players won't pull on an England shirt again for a while, if that's the case.

As for the game. They pressed and we kept them out. Thats about it.

Apart from letting in a soft goal, Brazil didn't get past the England defence all game, not counting a couple of shots from distance. Upson, Bridge and Barryhandled their forwards well enough throughout.

Our tactics were too defensive to win. Understandable perhaps because of the ridiculous amount of first choice players that are unavailable, but I would still have preferred to go for the win and at least get some bodies into midfield to feed the forwards.

Apart from Rooney, we did not have any creativity at all. It looked like our players were too scared to cross over the halfway line most of the time.

Still, all in all the defence did well. Who knows, maybe that was the point for Fabio today. To assess our reserve defenders against what is known as an attacking team.

I don't know how many players Brazil had missing today who influence the game like Lamps, Gerrard, Becks, Cole or Terry do for us, but to be honest they didn't impress much either today. A pretty ordinary match. Maybe it was the heat.

Having watched the match I cant say that Brazil played with any kind of conviction, it was a halway performance by them....sooo You cant take much from this either way

Nope guess not. :)