I just played a match on 2nd round of FA cup and it ended in a draw.

Then all of a sudden i saw that i ve been disqualified from the cup!! Checked the calendar and there was a second leg scheduled for next week. I won the 2nd match but it was pointless. the opponent team was already in the next round..

What a bug.. :nape:

That's not good. Has anyone else noticed this?

i ll post some screens tomorrow to see what happened

Okay here r some screens.. See for yourself


http://img709.imageshack.us/img709/7267/calendard.th.jpg (http://img709.imageshack.us/i/calendard.jpg/)

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8237/1stleg.th.jpg (http://img15.imageshack.us/i/1stleg.jpg/)

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/586/2ndleg.th.jpg (http://img24.imageshack.us/i/2ndleg.jpg/)

After the 1st leg that ended in a draw it showed up peterborough in round 3 and in the newspaper it was sayin "Barnet losers: out of FA Cup from Peterborough"
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4787/3rdround.th.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/3rdround.jpg/)

Is this an unmodified version of FIFA?? By default the FA Cup is not played over two legs and I cannot see anything in the default data that would cause what you are seeing.

unmodified? Well i ve only installed a graphics patch nothing else that could cause this bug!

Is there a way i can check it from creation master?

So what should have happened? StevePitts, you say that by default the FA Cup is not played over two legs. So basically, that's supposed to be a knockout round? And if his match ended a 2-2 draw, it should have went to extra time instead of going to the second leg?

Has anyone else noticed this issue?

Which leagues / tournaments in FIFA 10 have 1st and 2nd leg playoffs?

Is this an unmodified version of FIFA?? By default the FA Cup is not played over two legs and I cannot see anything in the default data that would cause what you are seeing.

Each tie is played as a single leg. If a match is drawn, there is a replay, usually at the ground of the team who were away for the first game. Drawn replays are now settled with extra time and penalty shootouts, though until the 1990s further replays would be played until one team was victorious

It happend to me mate!

Yep, samething to me, played Reading and got the first round match to be a draw and all of a sudden, I was out of the cup, despite that I won the second match

What do you have to say about all this StevePitts? More than 1 person seem to have this issue. Have you noticed this? Did you test it?

Can there be a fix for this?

Is this issue an issue in other leagues in the game besides FA Cup?

i checked it and i guess this could be fixed from creation master it has some options there but i m nt goin to do anythin cause simple i m not the best in this and dont want to mess up my career file!

Although nothing might have to be done for it, maybe it'll be fixed in the EA patch?

Although nothing might have to be done for it, maybe it'll be fixed in the EA patch?

Is there an EA patch for PC in the works?

There seems to be a lot of career and league bugs, like this one. Hope they release a patch to fix it as well as one to fix the CPU in-game subs bug.

Nope! not yet

that happened to my mate but it has never happened to me

that happened to my mate but it has never happened to me

Wow thats awesome news thanks for solving the issue

:clapwap:

So what should have happened? StevePitts, you say that by default the FA Cup is not played over two legs. So basically, that's supposed to be a knockout round? And if his match ended a 2-2 draw, it should have went to extra time instead of going to the second leg?
That is the way it has always worked and I don't see anything in the data to suggest that it is different in FIFA 10 (or FIFA 09). However, I've only recently started with FIFA 10 (having lost interest in FIFA 08 nearly two years ago) so I may be out of date. Perhaps EA have tried to implement replays somehow, and messed it up (now there'd be a surprise!!)

Which leagues / tournaments in FIFA 10 have 1st and 2nd leg playoffs?
The League Cup in England has a two leg playoff, and I see that in the fixtures table for my manager mode (first season, playing as Hereford) but the FA Cup has not yet started so I don't see any results, just the fixtures. I will have to experiment and see if this is a deliberate attempt to introduce replays to the FA Cup, but if so they've not done the same thing for the League Cup because I see games decided on penalties. Perhaps they've only done this for the manager's team though.

Each tie is played as a single leg. If a match is drawn, there is a replay
That is the real world situation but FIFA has never (in my experience, dating back to FIFA 99) attempted to emulate replays, the games have always gone to penalties. Is this something that changed this year (or last, I didn't buy FIFA 09)??

Have you noticed this? Did you test it?
See above, but I don't see anything in the data that might account for it, the structures are (virtually) identical to FIFA 08, so if they have implemented replays that is being handled in the game code somehow.

Can there be a fix for this?
Difficult to say until I can see how it manifests itself in the manager mode data file.

Is this issue an issue in other leagues in the game besides FA Cup?
Again, since I don't see anything in the data to control such behaviour it is impossible to say which leagues are affected. I have a Johnson's Paint Trophy game coming up so will deliberately attempt to draw that one and see what happens.

i checked it and i guess this could be fixed from creation master it has some options there but i m nt goin to do anythin cause simple i m not the best in this and dont want to mess up my career file!
Anything you do with Creation Master won't affect the career data until (at least) the start of the next season.

Would you be willing to send me your manager mode file so that I can see what the internal data structures look like?? If so, then you should be able to find my email address from this page in the public EAFFAnalyser documentation (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.pitts/eaffanalyser/documentation/eaffanalyser_read_me.html#Support) (or you can just use the 'send email' option that you get when you click on my name in the left hand pane here, but that doesn't allow sending attachments, so you'd have to send me your email address so that I can reply with the address to send to). If you've not modified the game data at all then just your 'B. Manager - xxxxxx' file will suffice, but please ZIP it up (or add to some other archive) first as that helps ensure the integrity of the data that reaches me.

Although nothing might have to be done for it, maybe it'll be fixed in the EA patch?
Even if there is to be a patch, and I seriously doubt that, then what chance they'll fix a bug like this?? After all, in my limited playing time I've already found half a dozen long-standing bugs that I've reported to EA, some dating back to FIFA 06 and many of them just as fundamental as this one (eg. the fact that all players on your team get their attribute XP reset whenever you sign a new player)

The League Cup in England has a two leg playoff, and I see that in the fixtures table for my manager mode (first season, playing as Hereford) but the FA Cup has not yet started so I don't see any results, just the fixtures. I will have to experiment and see if this is a deliberate attempt to introduce replays to the FA Cup, but if so they've not done the same thing for the League Cup because I see games decided on penalties. Perhaps they've only done this for the manager's team though.

How is it possible that some games have a 2nd leg and some to be decided on penalties in ur manager mode?

In real world League Cup games in all rounds are single mathces with extra time and a penalty shootout if necessary except those in semi finals that are played over two matches with the aggregate score being used to determine the winners.

In my manager mode there is just one leg and if it ends in a draw then it goes to penalties as it should be. I dont know what happens if u reach semi finals though.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9756/lccalendark.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/lccalendark.jpg/)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3514/leaguecupfix.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/leaguecupfix.jpg/)

In my manager mode there is just one leg and if it ends in a draw then it goes to penalties as it should be.


Do you mean go to extra time to 120 minutes then to penalties? Or straight to penalties after 90 minutes?

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3514/leaguecupfix.th.jpg (http://img148.imageshack.us/i/leaguecupfix.jpg/)

And if it was decided by penalties, shouldn't it list it as 3-3 with a L in penalties instead of a 4-3 Loss in penalties?

When it goes to penalties in football and a team loses, it should list it as 3-3 with a loss in penalties right?

i mean extra time to 120 minutes then to penalties.

Now about the score u mentioned i think it says it clearly. Its 0-0 in regular + extra time and a lose in penalties 3-4.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/9756/lccalendark.th.jpg (http://img97.imageshack.us/i/lccalendark.jpg/)


Actually I quoted the wrong screenshot. That one is fine as it shows the regulation and extra time score, then the 3-4 penalty kick separately. It's this one above that's wrong. Since it only shows one score on the calender view it should say 0-0 and a L in penalties. It doesn't show the regulation and extra time score in this view, only the score of the penalty shootout. Where as the other non penalty shootout final scores show the score of the regulation. So it's a side issue, but it's an inconsistency and yet another bug we see on these screens.

How is it possible that some games have a 2nd leg and some to be decided on penalties in ur manager mode?
Sorry I must have had a brain fart when I typed my original post (and I proof read the whole thing twice {sigh}) the start of the second paragraph should have read 'The League Cup in England has a two leg semi-final' and doesn't make sense as I originally wrote it. This obviously gels with your understanding from the rest of your post, so my apologies for confusing you.

Having had a chance to take a look at pas7k's career mode data files the best I can say at the moment is that this is going to require more investigation. The game seems to have inserted an extra game into the schedule, which looks as if it is intended to be a replay but the underlying structures do not fully support the handling of that situation. It does appear that this only applies to the manager's team, since there are other fixtures in the same round decided by penalties, as you can see:

FIFA 10 Manager Mode Fixtures/Results (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/steve.pitts/eaffanalyser/fifa10/pas7k/ff10dump_pas7k_barne5_fixtures_l201.html) from pas7k's career data

To get to the bottom of this I will need to reproduce this situation such that I can see the state of the affected tables (team_lookup and fixtures) in the manager mode data file both immediately before and immediately after the extra fixture is added. However, at the moment my concentration (in what little free time I have) is on fixing the team experience bug in such a way that my son and I can carry on using our existing saved game files (I have already proven that I can correct the field, but it means changing the shape of the playerstats table in all existing saved games) and I'm unlikely to be in a position to pursue this for the next few days. If anyone else can magic up a saved game immediately before playing a drawn cup game and another from immediately after then please feel free to email me with the details and I'll try and squeeze in a quick look at it.

FWIW the short answer to 'can we fix it' is probably no.

For those that are happy delving into the technical details, here's why - the game structure in manager mode is controlled by the data in three tables. The fixtures table holds the details of the individual games and their scores, the team_lookup table maps the tournament structures round by round to the teams and keeps track of the standings within each stage, whilst the rtsg table holds the details of all tournament structures. The latter table is only updated by entries in the manager mode data (eg. to handle friendlies), whilst the other two are stored in full.

The fixtures table includes a field num_games_left_in_group, which does exactly what it says on the tin and decrements for each fixture in a round of a tournament. For a two leg knock-out this value will be 2 for the first leg and 1 for the second leg, and presumably the game uses the value of 1 to identify when a round (and possibly the whole competition) has been completed. Unfortunately the first leg of pas7k's replayed FA Cup game still has a num_games_left_in_group value of 1, whereas the newly created 'second leg' (replay) has a value of 2 in that field, which I suspect is the wrong way around for this to work as expected and results in what he has reported - a replay game where the winner has already been decided and placed in the next round whatever happens in the replay itself.

The reason that I say this may not be possible to fix, is that by the time we get our hands on the data file after the drawn cup game I suspect that we will find that the team_lookup has already been updated to move one team or other into the next round (and I've no idea on what basis it chose Peterborough rather than Barnet) and the fixtures table changed accordingly. Obviously it may be feasible to undo all of that and make the second game meaningful again but I would need to experiment with an 'after' saved game to see if that is even possible. Fortunately because of previous (successful) attempts to write code to manipulate the fixture list to minimise congestion, I already have the code to navigate around the fixtures structure and modify it but the fun part will be identifying the problem situation and figuring out exactly which entries will need to be changed to fix it.

If anyone else can magic up a saved game immediately before playing a drawn cup game and another from immediately after then please feel free to email me with the details and I'll try and squeeze in a quick look at it.

Steve my bad i sent u my career file thought it was a FA Cup match next but it was a league cup game.

So..
I created a new career again with barnet, quick simulated some games until i reach 1st round of FA cup. And here we are..

U can see i m playing against Port vale in round 1.
I simulated this game a few times until it ends in a draw so i can see what will happen. As expected it scheduled up a 2nd leg.
Again I simulated this match. Full time 1-1. Then i won on penalties 3-0.

But as u can see it scheduled a third game!

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2317/bigbug.th.jpg (http://img682.imageshack.us/i/bigbug.jpg/)

http://img693.imageshack.us/img693/2121/30pen.th.jpg (http://img693.imageshack.us/i/30pen.jpg/)

Now whats the point of playing a 3rd leg(!) if u r already qualified in the 2nd round of FA cup?? :icon_spin:

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3351/2ndround.th.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/2ndround.jpg/)

http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/2007/2ndrcalen.th.jpg (http://img694.imageshack.us/i/2ndrcalen.jpg/)


And if u think thats all u r wrong!

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3568/4legs.th.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/4legs.jpg/)

While i was simulating these matches and saving career files for each match seperately (before & after games) for steve i loaded my manager mode and i couldnt believe what i was seeing! Yes it had a 4th leg scheduled!!! :clapwap:

While i was simulating these matches and saving career files for each match seperately (before & after games) for steve i loaded my manager mode and i couldnt believe what i was seeing! Yes it had a 4th leg scheduled!!! :clapwap:
That data is even more screwy because both the third and fourth legs are flagged as having three games left in the 'group' and I don't understand why it generated the game at all given that you actually achieved a result in the first replay.

Having said that my pessimism about fixing it has proved unfounded and I've proven (by manually editing the saved game file) that I can correct this issue simply by setting the num_games_left_in_group field the right way around (ie. changing the original fixture to 2 and the replay to 1) before playing the replay. That way when that game completes the other structures get updated correctly even though they were wrong before the game started. All I have to do now is add some code to my dump program to recognise the situation and either report it or fix it at the user's whim. I hope to have something working and tested within a few days, since I already I have a whole raft of code playing with the fixtures structure to achieve decongestion for the manager's team and this is much, much simpler than that.