What??? How can the grreks loose to Albania... I mean Finland took an easy win over Albania (they are complete crap.) From what I've seen of group 9 (was it?) here are my final predictions..
1. Germany ( sorry to say.. )
2. Finland
3. England
4. Albania
5. Greece
Oh and congrats to Portugal for the win !

we will see alot of surprices my friend. i mean greece is a much better side but albania surpriced them.

relax my friend.This is my list¨:
1.Germany
2.England
3.Greece
4.Filand
5.Albania

Look you bloody twat if you think that Finland is gonna end up below Greece then you must be on streoids... we will do our best to win the whole group ctaching Germany will be hard.... It's good night to Albania and Greece

I'm with you jari that finland will finish on top of both albania and greece and that germany will take top spot but I think that it's gonna be a big battle between England and Finland for 2nd spot in the group. I too was suprised that albania beat greece 2-0 I thought that greece would easly win but it looks like anythings posible in this group.

*** LIVERPOOL F.C & SAMI HYYPIA RULES ***

When Greece lost to Albania it really came out as a shock to me as I believed Greece to be serious contenders... just goes to show anything can happen but also shows that Greece has a poor squad otherwise they wouldn't go loosing to Albania!?? But on paper Greece isn't an interesting team and they don't hold any big name stars.

For panathinaikos :
1. Germany
2. England/Finland
3. either of the above (2.)
4. Greece
5. Albania

This contains no bias and is formulated according to the results so far... I really don't think Greece has a chance to end up above Finland.. Otherwise I would literally kill myself... no just kiddin'

hmmm...
i dont know...
Finland isn't that great team...
The only way they can qualify is because England isn't doing very good, and also Germany is "recovering" (how do you spell it?) after a dissapointing EK.
i wish the team the best luck, but i've got my doubts about them...

Well I take you're a belgian when your name is Luc Nilis.. well your team lost to us the last time we played in Belgium. I think we have a lot of chances to qualify to the World Cup our football has gone light yrs ahead from what is was 4 or 5 yrs ago..
I wish Belgium the best of luck in the qualifiers

who cares abou greece and albania?!?! they are both crap teams...

your right they arent that kind big of teams, but you cant underestamate (did i spell it right?) such teams.
Because the underdog has a much chance as the favourite...

Yeah well both greece and albania may surprise in our group but will hardly end up above England, Finland or Germany because they don't have the players to do so... compare theirs to what Finland, England, Germany have :
ENGLAND :
Andy Cole
Teddy Sheringham
Owen (number one scorer in premiership)
FINLAND :
Sami Hyypiä (second best defender in premiership)
Jonatan Johansson (second best scorer in premiership)
Jari Litmanen (needs no introduction used to be all-time best scorer in Champions League and was voted third best player in the world in 95)
Germany :
Olivier Bierhoff (ac milan ace)
Ziege (Liverpool ace)
list goes on
Albania and Greece :
players?!?!?

I dont believe that Greece is a big team. I saw the game Greece-Finland and I realised that Finland is a very-very slow team.How old is Litmanen?You dont know Mahlas?He plays in Ajax and he was top scorer in Europe (1999).You dont know Dabizas?You dont know Tsartas? Your drivers are much better than your soccer players. Bye my friend.

Yeah I know but you can't compare a player like Mahlas to Litmanen, Hyypiä or Johansson.. you just don't have players like that. But your club teams are great...
As I said I'm pretty sure we will make easy work of you when you arrive to Helsinki... hehe
Yeah we have the best motor sports individuals ever in Rally we have won eight times iun a row now.... In Formula one two yrs in a row it was gonna be three until that schumi came in... he deserved it tho..
We also had the greatest motorbike legend ever Jarno Saarinen (Jarno Trulli, f1 driver named after Saarinen) ... Saarinen invented going down in the turns in motorbiking... he always won.. he invented modern day motorbiking....
I know Mahlas well as I'm a big AJAX fan and I also know Dabizas but they aren't BIG name players... like I said one of our junior squad players starts for AJAX Petri Pasanen and he is superb !



[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-14-2000).]

HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

GREECE HAD 7 *STARTING* PLAYERS INJURED VS Albania!!!!!!!!!

Take out of Finland Litemanen, and 6 other starters (I don't know anyone else) put them in a hostile inviroment and where are they??? They would also lose.

At the beginning of this I saw England,Greece and Finland ALL as equal. With the way Finland has been playing (BARELY A 2-1 Win over Albania don't try to hide it.) Losing to us 1-0 (You guys played very poor and only created 1 chance) and then drawing England at HOME with no Beckham,Owen so on... They have showed me nothing.

U still have to play GERMANY 2 GAMES (U will lose both). England AWAY and Albania AWAY. Finland is screwed!!!

Greece on the other hand has 3 STRAIGHT HOME GAMES, And will get ALL 7 injured players back. We weren't even close to 100% vs Albania. Even 2 back-ups were injured!!!

Machlas-Ajax
Tsartas
Dabizas-Newcastle
GEORGATOS-PLAYED WITH INTER!!! WAS VOTED TOP 5 DEFENDERS IN SERIE A!!!
ELEFTHEROPOULOS-VOTED BEST GK IN THE 98' CL!!!

You never heard of these players?? I'm not saying their the ebst in the world, but their not unheard of.

Oh by the way they were ALL INJURED VS ALBANIA!!! So were Amanatidis (who shut Finland down in Athens),Goumas and Antzas!

Greece is gonna place higher than Finland no doubt about it. It's England i'm worried about...


PS Here is how the satndings is gonna look:

Germany-20 pts
Greece/England-11pts
Finland-7 pts
Albania-4pts

Germany will crush this group, Finland will fall apart, and Greece/England will fight for 2nd.

1. Germany
2. England
3. Finland
4. Greece
5. Albania

I'm sorry to say it but i think the Germans will win the group. England + Finland will be very close!

My dear friend Jari Litmanen you are either totally clueless or VERY one-sided!You cant claim that Finland has better players than Greece!Or that the Finnish team will easily beat Greece!I saw your team in Athens where the real score should be 5-1 or 6-1!Also in the game against Albania 7 players where missing and 4 of them where basic defenders!However in the first half Greece should have scored 3 goals but due to bad luck didnt.Also you should know that Greece is thought by Albanians as an enemy as many live here in harsh terms so they were trying to their best to beat us. As for the players:
FINLAND:Litmanen,Hyypia....
GREECE:Limperopoulos(wanted by Man.U. and other teams)
Choutos(Just came to Olympiakos from Roma)
Georgatos(2nd best left back in the world after R.Carlos)
Tsartas(became a god in Sevilla)
Machlas(kicks ass-first scorer in Europe 1 year ago)
Dabizas(Great defender in Newcastle)
So you see who has better players...However I also think Greece wont go well not because it has no good players or team but because the players have no motivation no feelings for the team.If they did I think Greece would pass the Group because Germany and England are awfull wright now.Finland and Albania are just lower teams....What can we do?

Everyone who is saying we'll end up below Greece are greek ppl... hmmm no wonder you're saying greece cause it's your home country.. But I'm know to be fair and trust me your players are not that well known...
Oh and who gives a ****e about some serie A, it's the english premiership which is worth watching !
As I said Finland will end up above greece.
If you would follow footy you'd know half of the finnish team. Scandinavian Football is very high at the moment. Oh and about us playing slow. That may be true but we are very physical and technical.
Bodycrunchers post was the best. I think we will end up probably third but we are here to win and we'll never give up.

Oh so what you're saying is that your players match up to Litmanen, Sami Hyypiä and Jonatan Johansson.
If you tell a fan of english footy that Dabizas is better than Hyypiä he'd laugh at you mate. Litmanen is an ajax legend. Johansson is the SECOND best scorer in the premiership (England).... if you didn't know what I meant!
Look don't deny it you don't have the material... but it's a different thing when you talk of the whole team. For ezample Russia they don't have a great base of players but they play superbly as a whole..


[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-15-2000).]

Oh god Giovanni you had to list all those players.. I onlyt listed the best
ok here we go :
Litmanen (Barcelona)
Johansson (Charlton)
Hyypiä (Liverpool)
Antti Niemi (Heart of Midlothian)
Jussi Jääkseläinen (Bolton)
Joonas Kolkka (PSV Eindhoven)
Teemu Tainio (Auxerre)
Petri Pasanen (Ajax)
Valakari (Derby)
Rekola (Dortmund)
Sjölund (West Ham)
Forssell (Chelsea/Crystal Palace)
Mika Nurmela (Herenveen)
Jarkko Wiss (Stockport)
Numela (QPR)
god dammit want more.... quit your whinnin'
Your don't have the same players we have.... There is no disputing here .... We are better in footy and it's our fifth favourite sport whilst it's your first.... =)



[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-15-2000).]

LOL,

No wonder u like the EPL, thats where are your players are!

Not only that, but they are from Sh*t teams like Everton!!!!!!!

Hey, I wonder why all your players are in a foriegn league...BECAUSE YOUR LEAGUE SUCKS!!!!!!!!!

It's about as good as the Slovenian! HAHA!

All I have to say about your "great" Finland NT is

1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0!!!

Thats ALL I have to say. A fact is a fact WE BEAT U!!! And without 4 starters (Machlas,Tsartas,Dabizas,Eleftheropoulos)

PS Serie A is 10x better than the EPL...

And it shows how much u know about football saying that Albania will finish ahead of Greece.

PS Basketball is also up their with Football in Greece. Thats why 2 GREEK teams (Panathinaikos and AEK Athens) both won European tropheys!!!

Has a Finnish team ever done that?

Greece got 13 MEDALS IN THE OLYMPICS!!!

Where was Finland??

Hmm???

We won 2 golds.. but we are still better in the all-time olympic lists than you so shut up... we are 11th most successful..
1-0 at home.. that's a bad home result wait to you visit us.... =)
I never said Albania will finish above you and I didn't say our league is better either.. where do you come up with this man?

10-15- 06:04 PM :
Jari Litmanen:I never said Albania will finish above you and I didn't say our league is better either.....

10-12- 08:52 :
Jari Litmanen:What??? How can the grreks loose to Albania... I mean Finland took an easy win over Albania (they are complete crap.) From what I've seen of group 9 (was it?) here are my final predictions..
1. Germany ( sorry to say.. )
2. Finland
3. England
4. Albania
5. Greece
what about that?

chm chm...
1. Germany
2. Greece
3. England
4. Albania
5. Finland

p.s. predictions Albania-England 1-1
p.s.2 olympiakos will make the quarterfinals of the champions league this year

Panathinaikos summed it up...

Jari-Where DO YOU come up with this crap man, you are the one who posted it.How can u forget u said that when it's right their??

PS I can give a Sh*t about the past, at present we beat u 1-0!!! And got 11 more medals!!!

Giorgos-GO OSFP!!! YEAH!



[This message has been edited by Chris16 (edited 10-15-2000).]

George if thats your prediction I think you better watch more footie cause on there worst day they would win.


Chris EPL RULES.

do you want to make a bet?

I dont bet pal but I Guarantee they'll win and after the match takes place come back to the forum and we'll see the victorious ok.

btw when albania lose dont chicken out star*** ok.


What do the rest of you guys think on this subject? I say england will win George says they'll share the spoils and draw.

What the hell are these greeks talking about.. Do I need to repeat this like a android I said Albania will finish last with Greece after them. I haven't seen any non-greeks say otherwise. You won't be victorious over Finland and England. Don't worry pal they're all greeks no wonder they think they'll end up above England and Finland... "Liverpoolfc" should we bet with these greeks that we'll end up above them at the end of the day ! Btw I saw Liverpool v.s. Derby on Canal + yesterday... Hyypiä and Heskey had a great day ! were you at Andfield? Btw talking about club teams HJK, Helsinki almost caused an upset v.s. celtic.
I checked the PAO and other lineups in greece I hardly know any players there. Gazza almost signed with a finnish club so we get more class players but your clubs have achieved more and are better. But We are talking about national teams and ours is better.. strange why only greeks say their team is good. Oh and greeks don't go making fake aliases now plz.. heh

Let's put an end to this discussion because I obviously can't detour the opinion of a greek on his national team. Any non-greeks would say that Finland and England will end up above them.. It's a joke to say they won't.. really it is! What a dumb conversation... this is a fair judgement
1. Germany
2. England/Finland
3. Finland/England
4. Greece
5. Albania
But the main objective now is to catch Germany.
Greeks get an education in both english and footy and then come here and blab about your team in a civilized manner!

TYPICALLY IMMATURE RESPONSE FROM GEORGE :
1. Germany
2. Greece
3. Albania
4. England
5. Finland

Looks like a complete reverse with the exception of Germany !!!! I don't dispute with immature kids from greece!
I HOPE GREECE COMES LAST NOW! ACTUALLY THEY WILL!!!! YOU GUYS CHANGED MY VIEW ON A TEAM I USED TO RESPECT. BUT IF THEY PLAY FOR PPL LIKE YOU THEN..... no more to be said really.. it's sad

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-16-2000).]

1. Germany
2. Greece
3. England
4. Albania
5. Finald

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1 Germany (god damn it)
2 England
3 Finland
4 Albania
5 Greece

PS are there any messages posted by me (Spike) onthe BB?

Spike

Typical Immature response from Jari:

1st post
Germany
Finland
England
Albania
Greece

"I hope Greece will will come in last now! Actually they will! U guys changed my mind on a team I used to respect. But if they play for people like u then...no more to be said really...it's sad."

Very mature response. Base a countries players on 2-3 fans. Oh yeah now I see how "mature" u are.

Look, let me break this down for u ok:

Finlands games left:

H-A

England vs Finland
Finland vs Germany
Albannia vs Finland
Finland vs Greece
Germany vs Finland

Hmm, thats only 2 home games. And u have yet to play ENGLAND AWAY, GERMANY AWAY and Germany at home. Tell me what results do u expect from those 3 games??

Greece on the other hand has had most of their hard games:

H-A

Greece vs Germany
Greece vs Albania
Greece vs England
Finland vs Greece
England vs Greece

hmm, thats 3 STRAIGHT HOME games. If we could get some positive results, gain some momentum going into Finland and we could come out of their with a draw.

Now lets see how many goals Finland has scored vs anyone except Albania:

0

We beat u 1-0 without 5 starters in the squad. 5 STARTERS! That really hurts when they are the best that your country has. Yet we still managed to beat u! With back ups.

Finland has not impressed me at all...

The standings WILL look like this:

Germany
England/Greece
Finland
Albania

This post is a logical post. It's not baised. Now whats your response?

Jari no I wasn't at anfield but watched the match on skysports what a match it was man and yes Hyypia and Heskey were in great form to tell you the truth they all were. You never know what can happen in football but I would bet against the greeks though.

We had a breakaway in that game and we dominated the second half in greece. The coach, Antti Muurinen was disappointed and we changed the tactics for the england match. Look it was away and we sure had bad luck if you say the game we had a two against the goalie breakaway and we fundled it big time... That disappointed me but as I said we played away and we frankly should of won the game as we dominated throughout the whole match. Look mate at least we don't go loosing to Albania!!!

i don't think you've played in albania yet this season yari. go, play, win, and then talk... personaly i think it's going to be 1-0 or 2-0 for albania...

good luck

U dominated the 2nd half??

What game were u watching??

We shut u down THE WHOLE GAME except that one run by Litmanen and Johanssesn-(??).

And like I said we were missing 4-5 starters. If we had a forward like Machlas, our Play-maker Tsartas and Dabizas in "D" and Eleftheropoulos as the goalie the game would have ended 3-0. And it almost did Choutos almost scored 2. The only brightspot was your keeper (I'll admit he had a brilliant game).

Now about your 2-1 win over Albania, don't act like it was easy. I read the game report on it, and u guys "scraped" by them AT HOME. Your not fooling anyone...

[This message has been edited by Chris16 (edited 10-16-2000).]

George it looks like you think albania are going to qualify the way you predict there results. Oh well everyones free to there own opinion.

Look,

Albania are a pretty good side AT HOME. They fans are crazy, look what they did in EURO 200:

Albania 1-2 Norway (only loss)
Albania 0-0 Greece
Albania 0-0 Slovenia
Albania 3-3 Latvia
Albania 2-1 Georgia

I predict Albania 0-0 Finland, when they play in Tirana...

well well well, Jari, another fight, huh? I agree that Greece is potentially stronger than Finland. If Finland would qualify for WC, that would just prove me wrong and I will come here and say: "Jari Litmanen, sorry, I was wrong, Finland do have a strong team".

but lately it has been nothing (well, earlier it has been absolutely nothing for Finland. Now, they get results)...
The fact that you have Litmanen and Hyypia on the team does not say much -- Ryan Giggs performs superbely in the league, but sucks usuallt for the Welsh team... It, of course, does not mean that Litmanen and Hyypia suck for their nat. team, but you know what I am saying..

Also, the fact that a player plays in a big club, does not mean that he is good (example -- Panov. Played in Zenit St. Petersburg, but scored lots and lots of goals for Russia, including the 2 in Saint Denis)

... Russian players are pretty underrated (well, not a single Russian in Premiership, only one 33-year old in Serie A, bunch of them, though, in France, Spain, Netherlands and only one playing in Bundesliga), and Russian nat. team did not show much like they did before, but still, many nat. teams are afraid of playing us....


So, I think that Greece has a better chance of qualifying, and don't forget England because they have 6 months to rebuild their squad, which is full of superstars... Only 2 games played by them...

But hey! Anything can happen... Nobody predicted Jamaica in 98, and Slovenia in 00, but it all happened.. no reason to fight about which team is better, because it is too early.

Wise words RR.

And I agree with them. We are arguing with opinions and that does nothing on the field. We have alot of games left and anything can happen. I still think Greek Soccer is better than Finnish, and the Greek NT will place higher than Finland. But we will see...


PS If i'm wrong I will be the first one to say "I WAS WRONG" ok...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but many punters over here and in england have predicted us to position higher than greece. We possess better players but it's the team that wins in the end. It's hard to say who will win and we will see at the end of the qualifiers.

Jari you gotta be crazy!Here we smashed Finland like you were nothing!Albanians lost VERY hardly from u and u still think u have a chance to pass Greece?In my opinion you are the most likely to end up last!In Greece we'll probably not lose a point and we'll probably win u in Finland cause really you pose no threat to Greece when we are complete. Also most of the players you say are nothing,Litmanen is old now and I only think Hyppia is good.
Sorry

Chris's post was smart but you are a complete prick... 1-0 a smashing!?! whatever pal! You obviouslky aren't very smart if you think you'll win us at home... Nobody leaves Finland with 3 points without a proper team and especially a good team our last 3 home results
Finland - Norway 3-1
Finland - Albania 2-1
Finland - England 0-0

YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME CALIBRE PLAYERS AS WE HAVE JUST GET IT IN YOUR THICK HEAD GIOVANNI! http://www.visioiva.fi/ForzaHJK/Kuvat/Ottelut/SuomiEnglanti/EX51.jpg

NOBODY DISSES FINLAND YOU IDIOT !!!!!
I HAVE TWO WORDS FOR U GIO **** OFF !!

How can you say you have better players.. comparing yours to Litmanen, Johansson and Hyypiä is like comparing Michael Owen to Vinnie Jones!?!??! Are you ppl sane?
But it's the team work that counts

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-17-2000).]

Ah Jari,

Just when I think your getting a bit better...another dumb post.

First of all Germany will beat u in Finland. They beat England IN England and will beat u also.

That Norway win, they fielded 2nd STRING PLAYERS!

About playing in Athens. NOBODY KILLS GREECE IN ATHENS!!! Something about Greek and Turkish fans strikes fear in other opponents. It's a HUGE advantage. We aren't at that next level because we can't win AWAY.

We have 3 straight home games and that is our advantage...

PS About the players:

Machlas scored THE MOST GOALS IN EUROPE in 98 (I think). He won the GOLDEN BOOT!!!

Georgatos went to INTER Milan had had the crowds chanting his name. I talked to alot of Italians and they LOVED HIM. He only came back because he was homesick. Inter begged him to stay.

Eleftheropoulos was VOTED by Italians, 2nd best GK in Europe. Thats not a fluke... Also he was voted BEST GK IN 98' CL!

Lymberopoulos has been offered contracts by Man U, Inter and Firorentina. But opted to stay with Pana for more money and for the CL... (He was the one who scored on u)

Tsartas was voted in the top 10 players of Spain with Sevilla!!! He had a break out year, scored 12 goals and had many assists!

Dabizas was A REGULAR starter with Newcastle before his injury and they LOVE HIM over their.

So, your players are better huh? I think not...


[This message has been edited by Chris16 (edited 10-17-2000).]

[This message has been edited by Chris16 (edited 10-17-2000).]

LITMANEN IS A GOD DARN FOOTBALL LEGEND HE WAS VOTED THIRD BEST FOOTBALLER IN THE WORLD.. I never said Mahlas was bad but he doesn't copmpare to Litmanen ask any Ajax fan... don't be stupid !!
The legendary Ajax team was when Van der Saar, de boers, litmanen and davids played for them!!!! But Hyypiä is one of the best defenders in europe all the best footy magazines like Kicker in Germany and French Football magazine put him into their all-star lineups... Johansson is second best scorer in the premiership... no greek players has accomplished that in the premiership and as a part english man I would know that...........
It's easy to win the dutch scoring but the premiership is at another level mate...
Your comparisons are complete rubbish.. From the looks of it you have a good team but we have three great players, one being litmanen that is one of the best players in the group and actually the only player you can compare to the three finns I listed is Mahlas

LET'S NOT FORGET WHO IS SECOND IN THE GROUP, EH?
YES F I N L A N D.... The results speak for themselves.........

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-17-2000).]

Estonia is 2nd in their group, but that does not mean that they are good (they won 2 games, both to Andorra). All I say is that it is too early to judge and that in my opinion Greece has a better chance. As for Finland – 3 last games? 3:1, 2:1, 0:0? And what were the 4 last games? And you are saying that Finland is better than Greece because they are now higher than Greece and that they have better players… Well, Finland are supposed not to loose at the home ground, right?, if they have Hyypia, Litmanen..

Well, you said it yourself – it is not the player selection that matters. It is the game that is showed by the team. Ukraine has more star players than for example Russia (Shevchenko, Rebrov, Luzhny, Shovkovsky, Vaschuk) and the Ukrainian players are known all over the world, but they are hardly better than Russian… I mean you just count your country better just because you have “star” players, and because after 3 games you are 2nd in the group loosing to Greece, drawing with HIGHLY struggling England who did not have many players and changed their manager 3 days before, and beat THE POWERHOUSE ALBANIA…

Greece had 7 players out. Just think about it. 7.

BTW, 4 points by Finland are the points everybody predicted Finland would have in first 3 matches. Nothing special here. This is just a start and, god, Slovenia did not have anyone except Zakhovic, and I thought of they as they were crappy, but they got to the Euro 2000. Finland has lower chances of qualifying, face it, but they do have them. Right now Finland did not show anything thatt could be a reson of why they are better than Greece.

MY GOD!

THANK U RR!!

Finally, a RESONABLE person.

And about Machlas. HE SCORED MORE THAN ANYBODY IN ALL OF EUROPE IN 98!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YES THATS MORE THAN ANYONE IN ENGLAND,ITALY AND SPAIN!!!!!!!

34 GOALS!!!!!!!

Johanssen who?? lol...

And how many games have been played in the EPL?? Who cares if he's on top right now.

PS Finland have had more easy games that Greece, yet we are only 1 pt behind...

I dont see why you guys are picking on him?
did he insult you in some way.
Maybe he's countries isn't one of the stongest in the world, but i dont think you have to be english, spanish or italian to be chauvanistic...
Everybody here has got the right for free speech, and i think it's quiet childish to attack someone on that sort of way... (no offence)

Thank Luc Nilis... That was a good responme all I said was my opinion and you challenged me to a war of words and insulted Finlands players saying they are nothing etc. when they are better than greeces. Nilis was right and as I said before this is my opinion everyone has their own !!
It's childish to attack me in that way...
=) peace?

Quote Jari:

"Chris's post was smart but you are a complete prick..." (directed to Gio)

"Nobody disses Finland u idiot!!!"
"IHAVE TWO WORDS FOR I F*** OFF!!!"

--------------------------------------

Who insulted u that bad to act like that? ...No one.

You are the one who started this. I have not insulted Finland. But yet u seem to keep insulting Greece. I have an opinion diffreren't from yours, and u just can't seem to take it. Well thats fine, but just to let u know I'm not gonna back down...

PS Your players are not as good as u think. The Greek NT, League, and players are better than Finland. Except it my friend... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Yeah after a few harsh comments.. I may have over reacted but...? You think it's fair... you're a greek only greeks have agreed with you and The Russian Rocket.... All of you are attacking me and I am alone in this... Luc Nilis' post was smart and anyone who follows football can see that we have a stronger team and will beat you. Scandinavian football is very good.....

Yeah and the only other guy that supports u is half English half Finnish.

U can tell from RR post that he is an educated football fan. Same as me. And we are stating educated opinions. U on the other hand is saying the same thing over and over with no facts. No logic. Just your own thinking.

PS Try and realize WHY u are the only one fighting on this subject....

my opinion is that Finland was a much better side than the Greeks years ago but the Greeks have improved over the years so what i suggest you, is to wait and see who is better now. but non of the Greek players carry lithmanan's skills, lithmanan has skills which non of the Greek players have and this is a fact it is not a theory.

So there my friends

my opinion is that Finland was a much better side than the Greeks years ago but the Greeks have improved over the years so what i suggest you, is to wait and see who is better now. but non of the Greek players carry lithmanan's skills, lithmanan has skills which non of the Greek players have and this is a fact it is not a theory.

So there my friends

Look I know Litemanen is better than any Greek, but u can't base a country on one man!

Just because they have 1 world class player and another good player ( only 2) doesn't mean anything. Greece as a whole is just better than Finland...

IN FOOTBALL!!!

IN BASKETBALL!!!

AND IN THE OLYMPICS!!!

Jari Litmanen:

"nothing", that was said by me was NOT meant to the players. it was meant TO THE WHOLE SUCCESS, or TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD MAKE PEOPLE LOOK ON FINLAND SOCCER TEAM AND SAY: "HEY, THESE GUYS GAVE ME SURPRISE. THEY ARE GOOD". So basically, I meant results..


And, yes, I AM attacking you, but not calling you names, or making certain opinions and basing them on something you should not base them (sounds funny).

I mean just thinking that Finnish team is better than Greek is ok, but thinking that Finnish team is better than Greek BECAUSE they have 2 star players and BECAUSE Finland is located higher than Greece in the standings and BECAUSE you do not know any Greek player... That is not the way a football fan should talk like... You are better than that...

OKAY PEOPLE LISTEN... I HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING FOOTBALL ALLOVER (LITERALY) THE WORLD EVER SINCE I WAS 4. I CAN TELL YOU WHICH TWO TEAMS WERE RELEGATED TO THE SECOND DIVISION OF THE NAURAN LEAGUE (OF THE SMALL ISLAND NATION OF NAURU JUST SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT OF CHINA IN '96 FOR GOD'S SAKE). I DON'T HATE ANY COUNTRY... I HAVE WATCHED OVER 10 OF FINLANDS GAMES IN THE LAST 5 YEARS AND I LOVE WATCHING THEM (AS IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY OR CLUB). SO ALL OF YOU FROM FINLAND DON'T WANT ME TO START TALKING ABOUT THE PAST BETWEEN GREECE AND FINLAND... FOR EXAMPLE... WORLD CUP 94 QUALIFYIERS GREECE-FINLAND 4-0 (REMEMBER MACHLAS' BICYCLE KICK? PREETY SWEET WASN'T IT?)... BUT LET'S NOT LOOK AT THE PAST B/C IT IS ONLY USED TO COMPERE A TEAMS PORGRESS THROUGHT GENERATIONS OF PLAYERS. WHAT MATTERS NOW IS GREECE-FINLAND 1-0 WITH GREECE MISSING OVER 5 STARTERS WITH INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION, AND STILL THAT SCORE WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT LARGER IF THE FINISH KEEPER DID NOT PLAY THE GAME OF HIS LIFE SO FAR. THIS IS WHAT MATTERS UP TO THIS POINT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE STANDINGS LOOK LIKE. THEY WILL MATTER AT THE END. IF YOU WANT TO COMPERE TEAMS COMPARE THEM BY GAMES THEY HAVE ALREADY PLAYED AGAINST EACHOTHER UNTIL THE FINAL STANDINGS ARE OUT. SO WHAT DO I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT ALBANIA-GREECE 2-0? THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT GREECE CAN'T WIN ON THE ROAD UNLESS IT'S ANDORA, SAN MARINO, FAROE ISLANDS, CYPRUS (HARDLY), AND A FEW OTHER LOWLY TEAMS NOT WORTH MENTIONING. THE PROBLEM IS THAT GREECE RIGHT NOW HAS THE MOST INDIVIDUAL SKILLS IN IT'S FOOTBALL HISTORY, BUT GREEKS HAVE BEEN KNOWN NOT TO PLAY TEAM FOOTBALL, RATHER SELF FOOTBALL. I'M GOING TO COMPARE GREECE TO TURKEY... WHY DOES TURKEY DO SO WELL LATELY. NO TEAM IN THE WORLD CAN BEAT TURKEY AT HOME IN MY PREDICTION... WHY? BECAUSE THE NATIONALIST TURKS PLAY WITH HEART AND SOUL AND THEY GIVE EVERYTHING FOR THE GLORY OF TURKEY, NOT FOR THEIR SELVES. NO WONDER GALATASARAY WON THE UEFA CUP LAST YEAR WITHOUGHT JARDEL AND BOKSIC, BUT RATHER WITH A CLEARLY TURKISH SQUAD AND THE AID OF TAFAREL. NOW, OLYMPIAKOS OF GIOVANNI, ZE ELIAS, LUCIANO, ZETERBERG, GEORGATOS, ALVEZ, CHOUTOS, ELEFTHEROPOULOS, DJORDJEVIC B/C THEY DON'T GIVE THEIR HEART AND SOUL IN THE GAME, NEITHER DOES THE GREEK NT OF MACHLAS, CHOUTOS, GEORGATOS, TSARTAS, ELEFTHEROPOULOS, NIKOLAIDIS, DABIZAS (ALL RECOGNIZED PLAYERS IN EUROPE CAN'T WIN AWAY. OLYMPIAKOS, THE GREEK NT, AND THE REST OF THE GREEK TEAMS WON'T BE ABLE TO ACHIEVE A GOOD CAMPAIGN IN EUROPE (FOR MOST GREEK TEAMS), A GOOD CAMPAIGN IN THE WORLD (FOR THE GREEK NT), OR AN EUROPEAN TITLE FOR OLYMPIAKOS AND PANATHINAIKOS.

MY PREDICTIONS STILL STANDS:
1. GERMANY
2. GREECE
3. ENGLAND
4. ALBANIA
5. FINLAND

[This message has been edited by George Hatzigeorgiou (edited 10-18-2000).]

I urge all Greek supporters to read this article. We talk about the players that were out injured, well here is an interview with Nikos Dabizas.
http://sports.phantis.com/soccer/read.news?newsID=20001016183722

I don't care who was out injured Machlas, Eleftheropoulos, Tsartas etc... we should still be able to field a team that can beat Albanian for F*#* Sake.

We are going to struggle to beat any side unless Dusan Bajevic takes over as coach.

Until then don't waste your time making excuses.

Albania..how F*#*ed is that???

Ok whatever greeks... that's insulting to us to put us under albania and greece.... we will end up either second or third... Scandianvian football is good.. once again..
Thanks Canadien... I agree with you but most of the ppl against us are greeks and only one greek here admitted that they will loose to Finland.. There is no point you greeks continue cause I can't change your mind on your national team... You really don't understand how fired up Finland is and no we don't have two stars we have 3....
Regards and enjoy the autumn

For Christ's sake!You think Finland is SO better than Greece and Albania that we shouldnt even WRITE her below Albania and Greece?Do you think Finland is a superpower team?My friend your opinion is totally wrong!
Finland is BELOW average!I said we smashed u in Athens meaning that the true score should be 4or5-0!I didnt say the score was devastating!But after all do you only judge by the score?You also had a hard time beating Albania IN Finland!Do you really think you'll beat them IN Albania?FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!YOU DREW WITH THE WORST ENGLAND EVER WITH THE HELP OF THE REF!GREECE WILL CRUSH FINLAND IN THEIR HOME AS WELL,WONT LOSE A POINT IN ATHENS AND WILL QUALIFY AS SECOND!(Stuborn Finnish guy......)

[This message has been edited by Giovanni7 (edited 10-18-2000).]

Oh and sth else for those who dont know.
Greece is for Albanians what is Israel for the Muslim or USA for the Yugoslavs....We are the "bad" capitalists....So if you even saw what was happening in the field....CHAOS!
The win over Greece in soccer was for Albanians a national win over Greece....
I dont say we played well but Albanians played with such anger and passion that they would beat almost any team in this group(maybe not the Germans).

You don't think all the other teams play with pride.. at least when I put on a national shirt I feel a feeling of pride for my country.. England isn't a poor team and after recent checks the goal england supposedly scored never was a goal. The ball didn't completely cross the goal line.
Again you diss me I said everyone has their right to a view on something and it seems to be only greek ppl who say otherwise and the RR. Everyone else and the english say Finland will be third in their predictions.. newspapers like the Daily Mail, The Mirror and so on.... I don't know wabout your papers or german papers tho... I think the english know how to judge this group because it's the home of footy and calling finland and now england poor below average teams appauls me..... This discussion is irrelevant in every way I will quit posting from this message onwards .....
You ppl don't seem to be able to talk in a civilized manner and don't bring up what I said because I said that after Gio dissed me... should I say thank you???
I don't talk with immature idiots I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO...
I can't wait to see Finland beat Greece so you guys can keep your mouthes SHUT!

Oh yes lets ALL go by what English newspapers say.

Because we know how right they are. In England's mind they can win the World Cup.

Everyone's elses: They would be lucky to qualify.

England is WAY to overconfident and thats their downfall. Don't take their predictions...lol

Bottom line is we beat u, and u can't say anything that would change that. Yet u seem to be refusing it...

Hmm...
I think you read far too much Greek newspaper to be so sure about that...
(a good example of an overconfident fool.)
Technical Greece is indeed the better team, but in football everything is possible...

Jari Litmanen:
don't listen these geeks oops greeks. as soon as they find them selfs under finland then they will be sorry for talking this way with you.
i know findland is a much better side than greek and that is a fact, that is it, there is no way you can change that.
but i still say you guys should waite for the end of the qualfyer games because this is futbol, anything can happen.

Sorry but Finland will lose.Also sorry but Finland wont finish even 3rd.Canadian i dont think you know much about soccer because canada has no relation with soccer!So you cant possibly know which team of these two is better(and Greece is better than Finland).

You are a good example of a idiotic fool, Gio.. Quit dissing ppl... Finland is the stronger team and will beat Greece. Once again only greece ppl say greece will win Finland.... if you're a geek oops I meant greek then don't post anymore cause I'll know you'll say you'll beat Finland. I'm sure all of us will laugh at you when you loose to us in Finland...

Canadian gay,f_ck you.You dont know anything about soccer.why dont you go in a fishing or forum?

PANATHINAIKOS and the other greek:
let me tell you something my friends. canada knows something about soccer, but canada does not know anything about futbol. and how the hell do you know about the word soccer. and also i am from bulgaria and i live in canada and i also know alot about soccer but not futbol, let me remind you world cup 1994. bulgaria 4 - 0 greece. so take a hike budy. you guys are making me laugh when you say greece is better side than finland. well as i said greece have improved alot since 1994 but i don't think greece is stronger than finland.

Yeah 4-0... If canadien is bulgarian I am sure he knows a lot about football.. You geeks are going too far with this and you would have to be stupid to say Finland won't win greece. You guys have no right to call anyone stupid or swear at them... u bunch of immature idiots!!

Jari Litmanen:
i am not picking sides here. i am telling the truth which makes sence. finland got more quality in their soccer. i am bulgarian but i still think finland is better side than bulgaria.

4-0..hmm that reminds me of somehting.

OH YEAH, THATS THE SCORE WE BEAT FINLAND WITH!!!!!!!!!

REMEMBER THAT 4-0 WHOOPING U GOT IN ATHENS??

Now u say u are so much better and that u will beat us...Well then how come u didn't??

Answer that question. In your next post I want to know why the superior Finland lost to Greece 1-0. When we had our best players like Machlas,Tsartas,Dabizas,Eleftheropoulos out.

Why is that guys? Tell me?

I still want u to answer that question but here's some more food for though:

Friendly

Greece 2-1 Finland

It's just a friendly though...
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EURO QUALIFIER

Greece 4-0 Finland!!!

Greece 2-0 Finland!!!

Finland 2-1 Greece

Finland 1-1 Greece

hmm,2 wins 1 draw and 1 loss

WHO IS BETTER!!!!!!

And in 2000 Greece 1-0 Finland.

PS That 1-1 is in Finland. So we CAN get points there! All those games were with Litmanen also!

Your respone please...both of u!

Bulgaria 4 Greece 0? And where was Finland that time? Well, Litmanen was 23 years old and Hyypia 22. They should have played...


Let me tell you what they did. Remember I touched this topic, Jari? In 1995 in Euro 96 qualifiers Finland was the team everybody used to take all 6 points from. Remember that 6:0 loss to Russia in Finland? Ha-ha-ha...

And Greece finished ABOVE Russia in World Cup 94 qualifiers...

So please, if you want to talk about how Finland is better than Greece, DON'T TOUCH THE PAST, BECAUSE AS I SAID -- IN THE PAST IT WAS NOTHING FOR FINLAND.

Lately they got some good results... I am pretty sure they will finish below Greece, but it does not mean they won't. They have a good chance. But not higher than 50%...

I never touched the past.....what the hell r u talking about? our side has better players and we will win greece and finish above them no bad teams get a point off england. now do they?

England??

They barely put a team together let alone get 3 pts away before they played u.

The game finished 0-0 with Finland not even bothering England AT HOME.

And u keep saying we will win Greece like u beat us already.

1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0

U didn't...

GREETINGS FROM FINLAND GEEKS
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/jani.myyrylainen/viikinkianim4.gif

Forza Finland. Greece doesn't stand a chance!
J A R I L I T M A N E N

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-19-2000).]

the CANADIAN dude touched the past, please read the messages before, Jari, to see to whom I meant my message..

cool animation http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif btw, did you get the info you needed on Mischuk?

no normal people here say that Finland is a bad team. Even I NEVER said that Greece is stronger than Finland (if I did, I did not mean to), all I said is that Greece has a better chance to qualify, and that those good Litmanen and Hyypia played (or should have played) in Finland when the team had the worst time ever, in mid 90's...

RussianRocket:
you are not reading my messages carfully. what i have said was that bulgaria 4 - 0 greece in the world cup, and i also said that greece have improved since.
but my openion is that greece is not strong as finland. but greece have improved and needs more.

OH MY GOD!!!

Let me get this straight:

U think Finland is better than Greece with there "superstar" players.

Yet, Greece with 4 starters missing (Machlas,Tsartas,Dabizas,Eleftheropoulos) think about that 4!! BEATS Finland easily 1-0 (could have been 3-0.) And Finland had a "full" and "healthy" squad. Yet we STILL won!!!

Then, what bases do u have saying they are a better team??

Yeah thanx RR on the info... hope you liked the anim.. =)

First of all i didnt say your a geek or sth so stop this crap.Also i am talking just like u!And ur just saying Finland is the best etc.So I am saying this for Greece.After all Greece ALWAYS was better than Finland(we beat u all the time)so Canadian I dont think ur right to say that "ok u got better Greeks but hey Finland is still better",since we were always better(even when we were so horible in the World Cup)!And please keep yer bad words for you, suckers.Canada doesnt know anythin bout soccer I insist.

Shut up you fool nobody is interested in what u have to say. Finland will win Greece in Helsinki it's inevitable!

http://www.geocities.com/christian_savill/litmanen_1.gif
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Forza Litmanen

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[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-20-2000).]

Jari,

You are a complete immature fool.

Have we stumped u so bad that u have to resort to the barbaric "We will beat u, shut up fool. Finland is the best".

Man, get a brain...

PS

Greece 1-0 Finland
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0

Greece 4-0 Finland
4-0
4-0
4-0
4-0

Greece 2-0 Finland
2-0
2-0
2-0
2-0
2-0

yup, Finland sure is better...yeah right! I'm still waiting for that win Jari...

guys guys guys

well i think greeks are much better side than finland, greeks turks and slovenia are better side than finland.

peace

i still think Finland has a chance.
But this is just an endless discussion...
Let's just wait till the matches have been played and Finland have proven to be a good team (or not)....

endless discussion?

CANADIAN here thinks that Finland have always been better than Greece, and he gives Greece 0 Bulgaria 4 score her. He also thinks that Greece have improved since then, but STILL not as good as Finland.

GROW UP. Greece finished above Russia in USA 94 qualifiers, and Russia THRASHED Finland 6:0 in Finland in 1995. Greece have always been better than Finland, and it is Finland that improved that much in these 5 years... It is questionable if Greece now is stronger than Greece 5 years ago, you know...

Well their is NO doubt that the Greece now is more talented than the Greece in 94'.

The thing is, in 94' I saw hussle and heart. Thats why they made it. They didn't have great talent but they made up for it.

The Greece now has 10x the talent of 94' yet they don't have the heart, spirit and hussle... But they still are a good side capable of anything...

PS THEY ALWAYS WERE, AND STILL ARE BETTER THAN FINLAND!!!

**** off you bastard!Look at this Litmanens face!He's like a serial killer or sth!You'll see what will happen when we come in there! You'll get 3 goals up in your *** !

Now you diss LITMANEN. Nobody disses Litmanen. He is the best player in Scandinavia and he is better than any Greek alive in terms of footballing skills....

No argument form me on that one...

But he does kinda look like a Serial Killer...HAHA http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

PS 1-2 players don't make a good team. All 11 do, thats why I feel Greece is better...

Litmanen my *** !!!!!!!!
Litmanen is a ****ty old man who has never been a GREAT player as you tell us...
anyway you lost from our 2nd team with 1-0 so shut up...
p.s. Did you like losing...?well GET USED TO IT CAUSE WE'RE COMING FOR YOUR *** !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woa, woa ,woa ...i didn't follow everything in that long thread but whoever says Litmanen isn't or even wasn't a great player is a BIG, STUPID, FOOL and don't know jack about football...

peace now http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Personally, I think that Finnish team has NO more talented players than Russia does... Why? Just because the Finnish team did not have much succcess... I am not saying that Greek and Russian teams did, but I am saying that Finnish team always competed worse than Greece. Results show it. And because Litmanen is more talented than the whole Greek team does not mean anything. I am pretty sure you know nobody in Russian intl, but we are pretty good lately, Jari... The same here -- you might know nobody from the Greek team, but that absolutely does NOT mean that Greek team is less talented.

Look, George Weah might be the best African player ever, but where did Liberia go with hime playing akmost EVERY cap?

Hey Denis he is trying to say that litmanen is the best player ever and some crap like that...well i am just saying he is NOT the best...he's good but not the best...

Nomad buddy... you must be out of your mind to say Litmanen isn't a legend. He was voted third best player in THE WORLD in 96. He used to be the all-time best goal scorer in the Champions League. He played for the former european super power Ajax. He still is second best scorer. He plays in Barca.
Nuff' said... if that's not enough to proove that he's a legend then I don't know what is pal......
go back to the desert you fool!
TAKEN FROM FCBARCELONA.COM :
Litmanen is a star by definition. Not only is he a born winner, he is the perfect centre-midfield: quick, intelligent and technically brilliant. He is constantly pressing into the other half and his shots home destroy everything in their wake. In general, he stays behind the forward flank, but his ability to pierce through to score makes him any keeper’s worst nightmare.
read his bio here: http://www.fcbarcelona.com/team/playerbiography.sps?languageid=9&playerid=2000452&newsarchivesubmit.x=19&newsarchivesubmit.y=4

http://www.fcbarcelona.com/imagestore/img01_000111.jpg



[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-24-2000).]

a good greek player is NIKOS MACHLAS 2 years ago he was topscorer in Holland with 32 goals now currently playing for the club with the most beautifull shirts in the world AFC AJAX from Amsterdam, were he is playing very well after beiing injured for 1 year by a focking wancker.

FORZA AJAX

Litmanen...as for the "go back do the desert" part... I AM OUT IN THE DESERT... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
hehehe...anyway...i said that litmanen is good...
but NOW he is not as good as he used to be...
that's all...to you he is a legend bacause you are finnish...
to me he is just the best player of finland...that's all i have to say about him...

Where do you live? where in the desert?

hey i am kidding http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
i am from greece...
athens...but you know..."the nomad" iron maiden...nomads live in desert...

hehe ok thought so.. do they have pc's out in the desert! LOL
Athens is very nice city!! I have been there twice. Altho we will still beat your national team... MWUHAHA! =)

1-0
1-0
1-0
1-0

While your saying "WE WILL" beat your team, Greeks are saying "WE DID(!!!)" Beat your team...

nough said...

Look, Jari, let's go back about 5 years ago when Litmanen was in his best years... Sami Hyypia was, how old, 22 years old? And Litmanen was 23? And how come Finland, always with these GREAT players was a team that everybody used to get 3 points on? And why should this "tradition" change this year? Litmanen is not that great now, the keeper might not save the team if defense sucks, and you've got players from English 1st division!!!

As fro Greece, they are not worse than that team in 1994, and Finland did not change much since those years....

Do I harshly comment on your country. I think not. How an earth would you know how our team has developed... Actually the defence is the best part of our game. Greece won 1-0 at home.. it was a home win but a poor one.. when they come to Finland they will loose. Ask any expert on football..
watch it rr or I'll mention ice-hockey.. LOL
Go Finland

Jari: I never used any bad words or anything, sometimes pretty insultive comments, but sorry for them. You can make any harsh remarks about Russian NATIONAL SOCCER TEAM.


How I know? I look on results. And I do not remember moving my eyebrows up when seeing games in which Finland played. They win at home -- so what. Any good team should do that, no matter what team they are playing against. For Greece -- long 6 years ago they qualified for the World Cup. Finland didn't. It doesn't matter, though, because we have to judge teams NOW. Allright. How are Finland changed for the 6 years? Pretty good, started to challenge teams. But not bigger!

About defense: did you see the word "IF" in the remark. .."IF" defense sucks... meaning that IF defense sucks, keeper might not save the team. It sounds inaccurate -- what I meant here is that not every shot is "saveable" for the keeper.

Why I am heresaying all that is just because of your words: "we have more talented players than Greece has" and you are proud of world class talents Hyypia and Litmanen who TOOK FINNISH TEAM NOWHERE before. Just because you do not know anyone from Greece, it doesn't mean that Finland has more talented players than Greece. Forever they have not been a european superpower playing worse than Greece, and now why should they be any different? And another funny comment "results speak for themselves"... You beat Albania with a minimal score at home, drew with a highly struggling England and lost to Greece. You did not even play Germany away, unlike Greece, and just because Greece lost to the leader of the group, doesn't they are worse than Finland..
anyways it is an endless discussion http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif


But, again, if they would get 2nd place, they would do something spectacular and I will finally admitt that Finnish team is worth of paying attention to, like I did with Slovenia, Czech Republic, Poland......


Ahout hockey -- bring it on. i will support you in critics of Russian national hockey team... Even me, a dead fan of Russian hockey teams began to be careless about the results after the loss to Swiss.... I do think that that's temporary, and that there's always next year.... The coach is a dumbass, he manages a club from Russian Premier league (the best league is SuperLeague in Russia, then it's Premier Division, and then it's 1st division. So, Premier Division is not the highest division) Spartak Moscow.... We need someone better.

The most consitently well placing teams in hockey right now are the czech and finnish no others.. Russia had a miserable season last yr ending up where? last in the standings well almost.. Finland placed third.. which was a poor result in all means. If we would of been you and done that bad I would of killed myself literally!

OH AND GREEKS - You lost to Albania and don't give any excuses we won them. Albania is a terrible team and it's a mockery to loose to them. They are complete crap to say the least! If we would loose to them we'd announce a state of emergency throughout Finland. Anyone that looses to that Albanian bunch is and will be a laughing stock.
I am not undermining them but they are complete crap.
Does anyone from Russia or Greece fair up to the likes of
Litmanen
Hyypiä
I think not! That's all I have to say anyone who knows about football can say we have the better players out of the lot

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-25-2000).]

Go Selanne, go Finland, go Mighty Ducks - its good to see another Ice Hockey fan round here.

Well, Jari, I never said Russian hockey team is better than Finnish. It is just a failed WC, all because of the manager, because the whole team consisted of real nhl stars (Pavel Bure, Alex Yashin), but what's ironical is that Russian best players were the players who played in the Russian league (the keeper Bryzgalov, Suchinsky who is now in Minnesota)... I do not what happened, but I do know that there's always next year..


My point, Jari, is that with Hyypia and Litmanen playing, Finland could have lost a wondefull match in Helsinki 6:0 to Russia, who, btw, finished below Greece.


Please, do not say that Finnish team is better because you have those world class players like Hyypia and Litmanen. That is an opinion of a child.


BTW, if you are a footbal fan, you should remember the name of Kanchelskis. The guy that played in Manu in 1992-1995, really brilliant winger. He was bought by Glasgow for 10 million dollars, scottish record at the time, and although he now is not like he was before, he was Manu's of of the top players before...

Now, Russia's got Titov, a player you have no idea about, but a brilliant playmaker, great passing, ball control, 24 years old, leader of Russia and Spartak Moscow. HE is wanted by many clubs but Spartak will not sell him until his contract expires.

And Greece's got 7 players injured for the Albania game. 7. Albania is not a total crap, because even you had trouble beating them AT HOME WITHOUT 7 players injured with Hyypia and Litmanen.


As for the people -- they look on results. Have Finland qualified for the World Cup at least once? or Euro 2k? If yes, then I do not remember that. You again here base EVERYTHING on your opinion and SUPPOSINGLY on other people's opinions. But you never rely on results. NEVER. Except for that when you played easier games than Greece and say you are better because you got more points.

I have heard of Titov and definately of Kanchelskis. He was great for ManU. Yeah that was the past Now in present time Finland is BETTER. why may you ask? Well we have better players we have a better youth system than your countries. We have more money for youth development. We have a great coach in Antti Muurinen. We have won the last 6 home matches we have played and tied against England. England, Norway, Poland, Belgium haven't managed to win us. So what if they had 7 players injured. I understand Machlas is a loss to them but excuses as I said won't take anyone far. If you got a few players injured you have to play you have to be a good enough squad to provide replacements. At least we have a lot of players from top european clubs that cab replace the players we have now. One of the hottest prospects in european football Mikael Forssell plays for Finland and he scored two goals in his debut for Chelsea. We have so many great young players coming through the ranks and finnish football has definately risen from those times and you should acknowledge that. In fact i believe Finland and Russia are the same level now although we just have more star players than you.

Jari- Let me tell you about some world class Greek football players that you seem not to want to remember... Machlas, Georgatos, Eleftheropoulos, Tsartas, Nikolaidis, Liberopoulos. Now if you know your arithmitic that's more than Hypia and Litmanen, who are by the way in their 30s.

Now, another remark you made that fact is fact and Greece lost to crap Albania. Well, Finland beat crap Albania 2-1 with the poor result of 2-1. Just because this crapy *** team scored in Finland against the great team of Finland consisted of so many world class football players and it happens to be better than Greece and Russia, should put some sence in your childish mind and be emberased. And since you seem to like facts let me remind you about another fact. Greece-Finland 1-0. That's a fact, isn't it?

George

Hey G(r)eek can you tell my 1 REAL amazing thing your country has done in football the past 6 years??
I dont think you have any reason to be that arrogant because your country isn't that much better...

BTW: the only good players in the greek competion foreigners!

Luc-
In the last 6 years we have managed to qualify in the World Cup and beat Finland 4-0. I didn't say that Greece is much better than Finland. It's a well known fact that Greece can't win away. The thing that tickt me off was Jari's claim that Finland was better than Greece and equal to Russia. That is not true.

Second, I wouldn't say that the foreign players are the best players in our league. If you rank them then you will get some of the foreign players in the top of the ranks but the Greeks would fall inbetween them. The reason why Greece has such a high class of international players playing in the league is that it is finaly becoming competitive enouph and world class players want to play in Greece, unlike Finland.

George

of course it is not true.

Russia's got some of the finest players around, but not for Jari who just does not know about them.

Hyypia is WAY overrated by you. He is great defender, Russia would welcome such guy to the first 11, but saying that he is better than the whole Russian squad is a complete joke. Russia's got some of good veterans in the defense, although they are pretty much unknown (Onopko -- Real Oviedo. Khlestov -- Besitkas). And Drzodov with Chugainov from Loko M.

For the midfield -- Russia's most successful part of the team. Alexei Smertin as defensive midfielder/central midfielder. He plays for Bordeaux, and before the injury, he played 11 straight games for them. Yegor Titov - clearly the best player in the team gets the AM. Valeri Karpin, another great veteran is from Celta Vigo. On the lft there is Mostovoi (Celta), Alenichev (Porto), or Khokhlov (Real Sociedad), or Gusev (Dinamo Moscow).

I know only 5 players from Finland, which although looks like more than you know about the Russians... You've got Litmanen, great, no doubt about that, is better than the whole Russian team, but slowed down right now. Hyypia from Liverpool, plays a major part in Liverpool's defense, the guy from Charlton who looks like on a hot streak, Forsell, youngster from Chelsea, a guy from Heerenveen and the guy from Hearts. That is pretty much all most people know about Finnish team.

Now, let's see here who's got better players. Let's judge them by the club.

Russia's legioners:

--
Karpin -- Celta Vigo
Mostovoi -- Celta Vigo
Smertin -- Bordeaux
Korneyev -- Feyenoord
Onopko -- Real Oviedo
Bestchastnykh -- Racing Santader
Alenichev -- Porto
Yanovski -- PSG
Panov -- St. Etienne/Lozanne
Ovchinnikov -- Porto
Mandreko -- Bochum (Bundesliga)
Andrei Kanchelskis -- Glasgow Rangers
Yuri Nikiforov -- PSV
Dmitri Shoukov -- Willem II
Omari Tetradze -- PAOK
Sergei Yuran -- Sturm Graz
Ramiz Mamedov -- Sturm Graz
Radimov -- Zaragoza
Kharin -- Celtic
Kolyvanov -- Bolonia
But -- Borussia Dortmund
Cherchessov -- Tirol Insbruck


and unknown:
Veretennikov -- Lierse
Demkine -- Germinal
Diatel -- Harelbeke
Eduard Korchagin -- AB Kobenhavn
and bunch of players from Switzerland, Israel, and spanish 2nd divisions

As for the youth -- Finland did great in the under-18 chanpionships. But it is hard not to leave out the fact that Russia has qualified there also (1:1 draw with Finland, btw.). But Finland beat France 2:1 and we lost to them 2:0, and we got the last place as you got the 2nd.

And for the under-16: now we did better. We got the first place in the group beating England, Ireland and Portugal but still lost in the knock-out stage when Finland got the last place in the group......

So it is still uncertain about the future.. What pisses me off is NOT that you say that Russia and Finland are even. It's free speech here so we can think pretty much whatever we want. But that Finland's got better players....

remember that time when you said that you could have listed 100 players from teams like St. Etienne? Well, you seemed not to know that St. Etienne last season got 7th place in French league... After that you listed your players and some were even from English 1st division!

well for bloody sakes you mentioned a twat some eduard something from ab copenhagen!?!?!?! I do believe St. Etienne are a stronger side. HJK Helsinki is much better than AB kophehavn or however it's written.. What pisses me off is that you ppl can't admit you don't have quality like Litmanen and Hyypiä. Hyypiä is the CAPTAIN of Liverpool and their best defender and was second best last yr in the premiership. Litmanen needs no introduction.. then there is a lot more like Johansson who was second best scorer in the premiership but I believe he holds the third spot now shared with many others like Alan Smith of Leeds etc..

i know Oleg Veretennikov and Victor Onopko! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

BUT WHY DID YOU LOOSE TO RUSSIA 6:0 IN HELSINKI WITH LITMANEN AND POSSIBLY HYYPIA????????????? YOu SUCKED before and now you say you are better than Greece and on the same level as Russia. A draw with Norway away WAS A SENSATION FOR YOU. For Russia it is a sensation when we win France 3:3 in St. Denis. SEE THE DIFFERENCE???

Hyypiä was named as captain in absence of Fowler and Redknapp...

And Mostovoi is the vice-captain f Celta Vigo, so what?

And because Hyypia gets a lt of success in the EPL it DOESN'T MEAN THAT that russian players didn't and don't in Europe's top leagues. Spain is better league than England financially and just better (2 Spanish clubs in CL Final!). Do you know any Finnish player playing there????? If you do, I don't. For do's sake, your national team's got players from English 1st division http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Victor Onopko was preety close to getting traded to Olympiakos Piraeus F.C. a couple of years ago. But something always had to happen back then and fine world class football players didn't come to Greece, unlinke now where you see the likes of Giovanni Silva de Oliveira, Maidinio Ze Elias, Paulo Sosa, Vlaovic, Per Zetterberg. Olympiakos is realy hurting for a central defended and I think that even now Onopko will do just fine.

VICTOR WE STILL REMEMBER YOU

-George

Listen RR.. Did I just hear you say sucky team. Somebody needs a lesson in manners.
I still think we have better players than you and I just don't think I know and listen up why dont you wait for the game. I am 100 percent sure we will win Greece. The greatest olympic athelete in history comes from Finland and we are very good in sport known for not giving up ever. RR you should know we almost single handedly destroyed your forces.... it was like a 10 against 1 fight... That's why we were awarded the olympics for our fight.. Listen up greeks go wine somehwere else cause I seem to be too smart for the level of you arguments..

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-26-2000).]

LOL, Jari...

WAKE UP!!!

I think your dreaming...

I said that Finland sucked before in soccer. Am I wrong? When some team sucks, that means it sucks, ok? Russian hockey team sucked last year. Finnish soccer team sucked in the 90's. Spartak sucked in CL 1 year ago. Russia sucked in WC 98 qualification 4 years ago... Don't sweat it, I say that everytime.... Prove me wrong.... I mean you can still suck with good players...

Better players? Tsk tsk tsk... Players from MIGHTY GREAT ENGLISH 1ST DIVISION...


"almost single handedly destroyed your forces.... it was like a 10 against 1 fight... " Single-handedly? That does not make sence. ".......almost single handedly destroyed..........." means that you destroyed our forces, but almost single-handedly. That is not true..... You never gave up, Stalin was wrong about the battle... But Russia would still one way or the other annex Finland; we had more people. But the Finnish fought for Hitler.... Meaning that the Finnish army fought for nazi beliefs.. Beliefs to crush all the world and kill those who are different... that is not something to be proud of...

100% sure? Well, I would not be that sure... Because it would be very, and I mean very dissapointing if Finland would not win... I look pessimistic about Russian football this year, but hey! We finally began to play well..

Litmanen. Your not just a malaka. Your a Big Malaka. When you have a your foot in your mouth let us know how it tastes. Yea there are lots of Finish teams that would beat Valencia like Olympiakos did just this wednesday. Please man. Give us a break. You just go babeling on busting our chops. And your star player Litmannen, yea were he's playing now he's making a huge impact to the game. I just love watching him play all the time. His team can't do without him. Good grief give us a break. The national team of Greece had one bad result against Albania and suddenly out of nowere Finland is a power house. If you guys start Temeau Selane, Tommy Salo and Mika Hakkinen you guys might have something there.

Jari- You have lost all of my respect man. I do have to admit that i laughed at some of your comments, but I still respected your opionion. But after that last one... hahahaha... You showed how narrowminded and childish you are. Too bad man, I thought more of people from Finland, because I have some Finish friends here in college from Finland and we get in fights all the time about football, but I guess you are just an exception.

-George

Finland are shocking, they have only one recognisable player
Jari Litmanen and remember he cant even make the starting lineup for Barcelona

Sterio

Listen Georgios or whatever your name was, I repect your views but I do find them incorrect. As for being immature I think you're the only immature person here. You tell me if your last post was mature. In fact this whole chain of messages is getting irratating and immature. Basically there are two halfs of different people with contrasting views. Can't we just wait for the match in Helsinki and then sum this up. I have my bets on Finland and I think that by doing so I'm playing safe.. Oh and fielding Mika Häkkinen wouldn't be a good idea, heh at least in football..

Look Jari...
AEK Athens won 5-0 the champions of Denmark...
anyway...i don't think you will beat because with you will have all our squad available...
As for Litmanen...he is one of a kind but now he is not the same...
anyway you have only one Litmanen and one player is not enough to beat a whole team full of very good players...

Yeah yeah yeah, so Danish soccer sin't as great as it used to be, but heck, you met Herfølge.... a team from a town with no more that 20.000 citizens.

They won the championship because of the most weird circumstances in ages.

And it's still happening! Everybody beats everybody in the Danish league. Just check the table after 13 rounds:

1. Brøndby 26pt
2. FC Midtjylland 25pt
3. FC Copenhagen 25pt
4. Silkeborg 24pt
5. Lyngby 24pt

Which club do you think will be champion??? No one has a clue.

Just to let you know: Because of the many soccer fans and computer owners in Denmark, the Danish league clearly qualifies for its spot in FIFA 2001.

Sincerely,
Benjamin, Denmark

hey tagman chill out what i meant was that we beat the champions of denmark...
denmark is a powerfull country with powerfull teams and a very strong national team...and that means that greek league is good...
and by the way:i think too that danish league qualifies for fifa2001...
Anyway the stores here in greece say that we will have it by the 31st of October...
we can only wait...

Let's wait and see Litmanen

-George

Thanks George! =)
In good spirit we will see who wins. but to nomad we don't only have litmanen we have 4 world-class players and you don't have a team of world class players you have about 2 to be fair. Please be fair and don't accuse me now etc cause this is the truth. This is the truth and I am not saying it cause I am a finn we have more world recognizised players but you did beat us 1-0 and that was at home. We could of tied the game if we would of scored on the two man breakaway and it was sad to see we didn't. Your fans are very good and there is a lot of pressure to play in greece. As for danish football. Finland beat you guys 1-0 was it. But Schmikes is a legend and the best keeper ever. Herfolge is a small team but doesn't Jens Jensen play there. Thumbs up for Scandinavian Football! Scandalnavia! =)

Ooh I'm so scared. The greeks are threatening me what should I do... sorry I meant to say geeks. Wait till the match in Finland. I never said your league was bad in fact it's pretty good so why do you bring it up.. Malaka yourself, prick and stop speaking in greek cause I don't obviously understand. You ****ing idiot. Stop picking up fancy words out of the dictionary that you don't even know. You seem to go through a lot of trouble just to answer me. Shows you're an idiot. Chris is smart in his posts and actually poses an argument as RR does ...
I personally think we are better than greece and I am intitled to my own opinion and don't appreciate ****ty comments being thrown at me from all directions from a load of greeks. You are all greeks except RR. Of coarse you say your team is better cause, yes, you guess it, you're greek!!!!!!
So stop flamming me for my opinions. I have my write to speak out it's a free world and if someone has something to add they can come and pay me a visit.

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-27-2000).]

actually, JL, you are the one that is saying that Finland is better because you are overpassioned about it... YOu reflect on your opinion, but not on the results... Really, one mistake from Greece, and Finland is better than them... Every team makes mistakes, don't tell me Finland doesn't, or I 'll bring the Euro 96 qualification again... Even Russia made mistake with fraw with Cyprus in Larnaca in WC 98 qualification. Spain lost to Cyprus in Euro '00 qualification. Czechs drew with Malta not long ago. Norway drew with Armenia 0:0 in Oslo. France barely beat Andorra. Israel beat Austria 5:0.

there are scores like that everywhere, and Albania is not that bad of a team 'cause most players play in foreign leagues... Like the guy from PSG who moved to some middle French premier division club. Or Rrakli from some German club... Just take a deep breath and begin to say that you are better than Greece after you beat them. And say that your players are better than Russian after you beat France in St. Denis....

that's right it's YOUR opinion and you are THE ONLY ONE who thinks that finland is better...
i hope that means anything to you...
you wuss

Jari: "na na na... oh my god, the greeks are threatening what should i do? sorry i meant to say geeks... na na na..." what should i do?

Let me tell you what you should do you big cry baby... You should call your mama...

Definition: inferiority complex: "Compensation involves efforts to overcome imagined or real inferiorities by developing one's abilities. Inferiority is normal, however, in some people inferiorty feelings can become excessive, resulting in what is widely known today as an inferiority complex-exaggerated feelings of weakness and inadequacy. Either parental pampering or parental neglect could cause an inferiority complex. Thus, early childhood experiences are important. Inferiority feelings can pervert the normal process of striving for superiority. Some people engage in overcompensation to conceal, even from themselves, their feelings of inferiority. Instead of working to master life's challenges, people with an inferiority complex work to achieve status, gain power over others, and acquire the trappings of success (fancy clothes, impressive cars, or whatever looks important to them). They tend to flaunt their success in an effort to cover up their underlying inferiority complex."

No i did not look that up in the dictionary, i knew that off the top of my head, i was just tested on that in psychology and i think it's just a little to random to just learn that and meet a live example, not intended by my proffesor.

-George

Pesta re Giorgo!
tha mas koufanei o malakokavlhs!

Litmanen I warn you dont call us again geeks! After all we are the best in ****ing women all over the world!YOU my friend are cold-*** people(hehehhe greek expression).
Also Luc Nilis did your BELGIUM do anything in the past 6 years?Oh yeah it got ridiculously beaten in Euro!LOL get outa here man!
GAMO TOUS FILANDOUS RE!THA SAS GAMISOUME EKEI MESA!

Lololololol. Your the man Jari Litmanen. Your so intelegent. Only you could think of Geeks. **** man is that why your mama and papa sent you to school? You don't get it do ya. We can't hurt you physically and we have know intetion of doing so. Your a wimp man. To bad I could meet you face to face. I'd be very curious te see if you could repeat some of the stuff you said to my face or to any Greek for that matter. Thank god for the internet and animosity. Some people suddenly surpassed their manhood and think they have it all figured out. Do you remember how this all started? It's cause you called Panathinaikos a ****ing Twat just cause he stated his opinion. Who is the cool intelegent one now. Regardless of your actions and your opinions from now on, to many your just a dumb *** . Even damage control won't help you. It's a shame though cause I showed a Fin friend of mine some of the stuff you wrote and he couldn't believe what he was reading. Well take care now. I highly suggest you abandon your User name and go for a new one to get a fresh start cause from now on you'll always be the dumb *** in this forum.

Hey Litmanen (hmm)!

Yeah, if you mean John Jensen, then the answer is yes.... or at least he's coach in Herfølge.

Sadly enough Danish teams have a problem playing it cool and efficient. We usually create 20 chances and 0 goals, and allows the opponent 1 easy chance in a game. That's why you'll never see a Danish team reaching the top of Europe.

- Benjamin

FINLAND HAS MORE WORLD CLASS PLAYERS THAN GREECE??????????????????????????????
sheesh!man where do you live mars maybe?
where did you get them?WHO ARE THEY????
does their mother know them ???????
you are crap man and i stop this conversation NOW because you obviously don't have a clue about football...or you have what we say "inferiority complex"
finland and greece have played MANY times and greece won the MOST...
as for world class players greece has...:
Demis Nikolaidis(AEK Athens)
Vasilis Tsartas(AEK Athens)
Lambros Choutos(Olympiakos)
Grigoris Georgatos(Olympiakos)
Nikos Limberopoulos(Panathinaikos)
Yorgos Karagounis(Panathinaikos)
there are more but it could take much space to write them...
i DID NOT COUNT THE FOREIGNERS OF OUR LEAGUE like Giovanni(from Barcelona) or Paulo Sousa(from Inter or Navas and Ruiz(from Boca Juniors) and MANY MANY MORE...
so stop saying that you will win...
you MAY think that you will win...but I think you are daydreaming...
And if your national team thinks the way you do(for example:we will smash them!) then you are in for a MAJOR surprise...
REMEMBER...
the champions of Denmark lost 5-0 from AEK Athens...
AEK Athens is greek...
you will eat more...


-END OF STORY-
GAMW TH FILANDIA KAI TO MALAKA TO LITMANEN!!!!!!!!!!
RE ELLHNARES ELATE NA TOU GAMHSOUME TH MANA TOU POUSTH MAS EXEI PRIKSEI TA ARXIDIA...

Jari don't you understand man. Youv'e just dug yourself a big hole and I see you don't have many supporters. Have fun dealing with us Greeks. It's gona be a long year.

I wouldn't mind meeting you face to face as I'm 198 cm... heh sure that can be arranged if necessary...
Ok those last posts just prooved how childish you all are. I am not going to continue posting on this thread because as I said only chris and RR post smart comments. I add my view and you start talking in an immature way. what does an inferoirity complex what to do with my view you twat?
Your a sick person who should have your head checked. If you can't take my opinion then it's your problem not mine. Oh and the last one to post if you would meet me face to face you would get a right beating.....
How do you even know what I look like you idiot. I play fourth division football so I'm in very good shape and I'm almost 100 per cent sure I am taller than all of you posting right now. I am 198cm whilst I know ppl from greece are very short.
Ok RR I think you should also comment on the last opinions from the greeks. Why are you making fun of Belgium and why wouldn't "Nilis" have his right to post!??!?!
Then because of my opinion you say ppl are cold here.. ughhh what's your major malfunction? Speak properly with a good argument or don't speak at all. I repond back if I see rude comments directed at me... Just cause of an opinion.. god you ppl really r strange oh and if anyone would see this they would laugh at you and at nobody else. The only smart post on this thread have come from myself, RR and Chris16

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-28-2000).]

hey litmanen WE DON'T GIVE A F*CK ABOUT YOUR OPINION OR YOUR HEIGHT...
we didn't ask for your opinion and we will not try to convince you that greece is better because you obviously don't know sh*t about football...

GAMWWWW TO FILANDOOOOOOOO ...

Ok that's enough you obviously want to act like barbarians. Greek football is very good especially on club levels but over these last years IN MY OPINION we have surpasseed you at national team level. We are firstly a much smaller country than you in terms of population and football isn't even our most followed sport. In fact it's the third or fourth followed sport.I haven't seen any formula 1 world champions from greece, an skiing world champions, any olympic legends,
any ice-hockey legends, any 7 time rally world champs, any BIG firms like Nokia or anything else. From a country our size it is a big acievement and I don't want to hear any of your crap unless you have something smart to say for once ...

Oh and you said you have better women than us... I am not making fun of anyone here but Pamela Anderson has her roots in Finland and we always end up high in the miss universe competitions while I don't see greece anywhere. Nordic women are the best in the world as said on the Jay Leno show!!!
Don't start flamming me greeks

[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-28-2000).]

Giovanni,
What **** is your problem??
I have respect for everyone or every country in this forum, but you are going too far...
You really think you or your country are that good??
You must be a dummer geek than i thought!!
It was really funny to see Olympiakos play a few days ago...
If thats the best team you've got,i think thats really pathetic!!
Shut your mouth if you dont got anything good to say.
Or are you only using this forum, to make yourself feel good, because your being bulied in real life???

Giovanni,
What **** is your problem??
I have respect for everyone or every country in this forum, but you are going too far...
You really think you or your country are that good??
You must be a dummer geek than i thought!!
It was really funny to see Olympiakos play a few days ago...
If thats the best team you've got,i think thats really pathetic!!
Shut your mouth if you dont got anything good to say.
Or are you only using this forum, to make yourself feel good, because your being bulied in real life???

Gio you don't have to share what you learnt in school with us... Yeah PAO was pathetic... really it was a bad performance and I ain't against anyone except ppl that flame others for no reason. When I respond with bad comments you falme me again.. be smart if someone would say a negative comment to u would u say "Thank you I've waited for that my whole life." Not really..

*** YAS ALL
AUSSIES RULE!!!!!!!
GO VIDUKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yo, you greeks are really patetic - everybody knows that you don't have even a middle-rated national team , but you're still claiming how good you are...reaaalllyy patetic

and The Nomad - how stupid can you be - those players you mentioned a while ago are all world class players? biggest joke i've ever heard - do you have an idea what a world class player is? - a WORLD CLASS players are Rivaldo, Zidane, Del Piero, Raul, Bechkam, Roberto Carlos, Scholl, Figo and etc.

how you could you even think your league players can be compared to them - the only one i've heard of is Georgatos only because Inter was stupid enough to keep him in their team but not for long....

and only because this Forum is full of greeks and you are backing up each other - that doesn't mean you have to start to believe in the bulls**t you're talking...

and what about Giovanni - what a stupid punk..."best in the world in f***ing women"...yeah sure - the only thing you're best in the world is in watching porno and doing you know what at the same time....

nuff said - f**k off all of you

AMEN!!!

I know this involves teams in England's group, and I'm English myself.
But I couldn't give two shiny ****es about this discussion. I don't know if you noticed, but FIFA 2001's arrival is imminent, the demo should arrive even sooner, so why the bloody blime are you resorting to attacks against each other now? Why not wait until the game comes out, then play each other there, there's enough people here to get a league started.
Please stop mentioning the same sodding things over and over again. Yes, Greece did beat Finland earlier this year, yes, Jari Litmanen is a bloody good footballer, but we've got seven pages worth on about 3 different opinions.

Sort it out, chaps

What kind of lame argument is that. Nokia? Formula 1? And it's a bad example you mentioned the last one cause you give the man the best car and he wins. And there are many naturals out there that don't get the oportunities to participate in that kind of sport. But now that you mention it all I have to say is Basketball. Enough said. After the NBA the best league in the world is the Greek league. Rated always in the top 5 at the NT level. 3 of the past 4 European champions are Greek teams. Finalist like 7 or 8 years in a row, lost count. But enough with that. This is a soccer forum. I want to know why Finland is better than Greece. Does it have a better league? Have there teams had more success at the European compititions then ours? Why is there national team better than ours? Is it because Greece lost to Albania? What about the match that happenedjust recently were greece beet finland. Doesn't that account for anything? If you wan't it on a player to player basis that's fine. Other than Litmanen who I must admit I once admired but now is very much past his prime who else does the finish team have? Please talk about and don't give us your typical your "ignorant" and that kind of stuff.

To Dennis Enchiv. I'm not going to bother with the "pathetic" stuff. No point. It won't gut us anywere.
Regarding Georgatos. Hi kicked *** for Inter. Was voted in the Top 3 foregners in Siera A, Was a starter for Inter and everyone loved him for his personality and stile of play. The reason he left was cause he was home sick. He was begging Olympiakos to buy him back. And for your info Olympiakos bought him back with the same amount they sold him for.
Other notables just to educate you:

Austria
Efthimiadis, Giotis Lustenau
Koutsioupias, Giorgos Sturm Gratz
Lagonikakis, Andreas Rapid Vienna
Varvoutis, Yiannis Loebem

Belgium
Kaklamanos, Nikos Gande
Kostis, Christos Anderlecht (NOW AEK)
Kounekakis, Nikos Anderlecht

England
Dabizas, Nikos Newcastle
Donis, Giorgos Huddersfield
Karipidis, Yiannis Liverpool
Lazeridis, Stan Birmingham City
Michopoulos, Nikos Bernly
Panopoulos, Michalis Portsmuth
Vilanakis, Aggelos Crystal Palace
Vlachos, Michalis Portsmuth

Germany
Amanatidis, Yiannis Stuttgard Kickers
Anagnostou, Chrisovalantis Gladbach
Chatzis, Nikos Stuttgard Kickers
Grammozis, Dimitrios Kaiserslautern
Konstantinidis, Kostas Hertha Berlin
Krontiris, Manolis Dortmund B
Stratos, Thomas Armenia Bielefeld

Italy
Karasavvidis, Theofilos Como
Pitkas, Vaggelis Udinese
Tzivanakis, Lefteris Sasa Tores
Vakouftsis, Giorgos Fiorentina
Venetidis, V Peruggia

Netherlands
Anastasiou, Yiannis Roda
Chaniotakis, Kostas Vitesse Arnhem
Foteinatos, Apostolis Ajax
Machlas, Nikos Ajax

Portugal
Machairidis, Triantafillos Benfica

Scotland
Venetis, Tasos Dundee United

Spain
Anastasiadis, Anestis Barcelona
Krios, Vaggelis Zeouta
Salapasidis, Kostas Cobostella
Tsartas, Vasilis Sevilla (NOW AEK)

Switzerland
Drakopoulos, Sam Delemond
Koumantarakis, Giorgos Basel FC

United States
Chronopoulos, Ted New England Revolution

HEY KOSTAS SEEING UR KNOW ALL OF GREEK FOOTBALL
WHAT ***IN COUNTRY DOES STAN LAZARIDIS PLAY FOR????
U SAID HE WAS GREEK
WHICH COUNTRY DID HE LAST PLAY FOR??
AUSTRALIA!!!!!!!!!!!!
DUMB ***
JUST BECAUSE HE HAS"IS" AT THE END OF HIS NAME DOESNT MEAN HES GREEK.I WONDER HOW MANY OTHER PLAYERS ARENT GREEK.SOMEONE WOULD KNOW IF ANYBODY HAD ACTUALLY HEARD OF THEM
DIKHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Matason. Your the DUMB***.
Dear Dumb***. Your the DIKHEAD.

I don't know you and have never spoken to you. What gives you the right child to speak like that.

I only have differences in this post with with Litmannen and not in this forum but only in this topic. I don't sweare at him. I called him only at one point in this topic dnmbass and I regret doing so.

So screw off CHILD.

Ok now I haven't posted in a while because frankly it's getting boring. But he's the truth plain and simple:

Greece is not a "World Power" Soccer Nation.

We do not have 1 "World Class" player like a Figo,Zidane etc...

Our best players are good, but not that good.

Our NT is also not good. Are we qualifying for WC's?? Euro's?? NO.

Our club teams though have been improving every year. OLYMPIAKOS and PANATHINAIKOS are both in position to qualify for the 2nd round of the CL.

ALL our Uefa Cup teams advacned to the 2nd round, and 2-3 look to be going to the 3rd.

But the question in this topic has been the whole time is Greece better than Finland. The answer is YES.

Isn't our League, Clube teams better than Finlands??

BY FAR!

U can't even compare...

The Greek NT is also better than Finland. BOTH COUNTRIES haven't qualified for a damn thing, but the difference is Finland use to be like a Faroe Islands... They were the team in the group to to take 6 pts away and beat 4-0. Yes they have improved, but they still suck...Greece is better, not by a whole lot, but we are better!

PS Finland don't 1 "World Class" player either. Litemanen USE to be, but isn't anymore. He doesn't even start for Barca...but Figo did. Bottom line is in 2000 Greece and Finland both don't have any...

Don't u agree with what I have said??

Oh and about Georgatos.

How about u don't talk out of your *** anymore Denis??

Do u know what happened??

Georgatos went to Italy, cracked the starting 11 and become AWSOME. If he would have stayed, he would have become a "World Class" player.

Inter didn't kick him out. Actually they offered MORE money for him to stay. But Georgatos was homesick...I can understand to. He missed Greece, his family, his friends, the food... lol

I have talked to many Inter friends and Italians in General who respect Greek Football now because of him. We was one of Inter's best players last year. He was voted in the top 3 (or 5?) defenders in SERIE A!!!!!!

So don't just throw insults when u really don't know what your talking about...

Speaking of insults, it's pathetic. U all don't need to kuss, it shows a lack of inteligence. Both for Greeks and the others. The Greek way is to beat someone with the mind, that dates back to ancient times. It's the Turkish way to just hurl insults... so stop.

I think it's pathetic that your insulting Jari Litmanen 7 pages long, but you cant stand an insult yourself.
(and your the one who says Denis has a lack of intelgince bacause his insulting you...)

Personally,

I haven't insulted 1 person.

I have merely brought up facts (which by the way people seem to avoid)...

And it's not like the two of them have been angels...

[This message has been edited by Chris16 (edited 10-28-2000).]

Chris:

basically you agreed on everything i said ,except Georgatos ,which is good.

I really don't know what was the reason he came home, but i've seen him play and I KNOW he wouldn't have become a World Class player if he stayed there longer, because most of the time he was merely a substitute and even if he started a few games sooner or later Inter was gonna buy a very expensive player to fill his place....

about "the greek intelligent way to solve problems" it's just stupid to say that when i've seen that whole thread and everything, which you greeks said - and frankly THE INTELLIGENCE IS LACKING....

and i simply don't agree that cussing show's lack of intelligence, because i don't know a single person who wouldn't be forced to do that when they read what some of the people here had to say - so no, cussing doesn't show a lack of intelligence ....

and by the way i have the feeling that you greeks are very far away from your ancients in every aspect - don't take me wrong though - maybe it's just when football is involved...

nuff said , let's not go on with this stupid thread....

[This message has been edited by Denis Enchev (edited 10-28-2000).]

When did u see Georgatos play?

If they were gonna buy another LB anyway, how come they offered more money to keep him?

When have I responded in a non intelligent way?

What do u know about the Ancient Greeks?

hmm?

Jari-

OK, you state that you have 4 world class players... hmm let's see... Jari Litmanen. He had reached the world class level and my hat goes off to him. BUT, he was only a world class player when he played for Ajax Amsterdam. After Louis Van Gaal left Ajax for Barcelona, he took players of his choice with him from Ajax like Kluivert, Deboer, and Litmanen. Had it not been for Van Gaal Litmanen wouldn't have ended up in a team with the likes of Barcelona. It only happened b/c Van Gaal liked him and i support this b/c now you see that there is just no way Litmanen can play with so many other world class players in a team like that. The age factor is also taken into consideration, however, the bottom line is that Jari Litmanen was once a world class players and b/c of that he will always be remembered as of one and no Greek, Turk, Albanian, Russian or anybody else will disrespect him. Now as of the other 3 world class players that Finland has... name them... Hyppia? I wouldn't classify him as a world class player but more like a middle class player. Denis named a few world class players and he seems to know the definition of a world class player... Denis what is your oppinion about a world class player? Now I want to turn to the other comment you made about us Greeks being childish and that anyone who would look at our comments would laugh at us? Well, if they think that the way we talk is funny then I wonder what would they do when they read that "na na... the g(r)eeks are threatening what should i do?" Then you started talking about how football is a 4th rated sport in Finland... shows how much you people know about football when the rest of the world thinks that football is the most popular sport... even the United States football (soccer team) can beat you when they have Basketball, American football, Hockey, Baseball, Golf, and Tenis prior to football... Now WOW WOW... excuse me... how gave you the right to talk about Olympic legends... you want to know about Olympic legends... Have you heard of Spyros Louis, the first runner ever to win the marathon? Just the fact that Greece parades first in ever Olympic game start ceremony should shut your mouth up. Then you turned to big firms... what about Panafon and Telestet you ignorant motherf*****? Then you call us Greeks barbarians when you seem to forget what you told RR earlier in this forum about how you could have destroyed Russian single handently you Nazi lovers... and then you talked about Greek women? Greek women for Chirst sake? You haven't seen any Greek women make a satisfactory appearance in beauty pageons... so you would know Miss Universe 1996 was Greek... you need to check your stats on this again Jari. Now, you said Pamela Anderson has Fin roots. I don't know about that but i'll trust you on this one... fine and I will repeat that one more time b/c i want to support another argument that i will make later... PAMELA ANDERSON HAS FINISH ROOTS... then you said that in the Jay Leno show they said that Nordic women are the best in the world... you just hummiliated Nordic women there buddy b/c the Jay Leno show is a commedy show.

Luc- When did you see Olympiakos play man and you state that it's preety funny if this is the best team we have... did you see them play in the Netherlands against Heerenveen when they lost 1-0 to the worst team in the Champions League this year? did you? Well, yea... they were preety pathetic on that one b/c it was the coaches fault... obviously b/c he played defensive football hoping to get the the draw in the Netherlands... I don't know what the hell he was thinking... but then he realized what a ****en mistake he made and the result was the game against Valencia... now did you see that too you asshole... or why don't you tell us why Per Zetterberg left the fine team of Anderlecht for Olympiakos... obviously this man had some brains and saw was was better for him...

Denis- We never claimed to be a superpower... some of the comments about Greek football world class players were a bit to extreme... the matter of fact is that Greece has a world class player and thats Nikos Machlas and Dimitris Eleftheropoulos (rated the top keeper in the Champions league last year, and was voted for the greatest save in Champions League history)... Georgatos, Choutos, Liberopoulos are all middle class players... We only claimed that Greece is better than finland in National Team level... Inter was stupid enouph to keep Georgatos huh? shows how much you know... INTER offered to pay him double the money to stay for Inter but he showed that he only wanted to play for Olympiakos, not caring about how popular and good Inter is... Inter fans were crying when he did not show up for the first practice in San Siro... 300 Inter fans came to the Olympic Stadium of Athens with banners like INTER FANS WILL ALWAYS LOVE YOU... YOU'RE SIMPLY THE BEST... BETTER THAN ALL THE REST... in the game of Olympiakos-Valencia

Matason- now, you fall even lower than Jari... b/c of you i have now reclaimed some respect of Jari... Stan Lazaridis has Greek roots just like PAMELA ANDERSON HAS FIN roots... the only reason why he plays for Australia is b/c he tried out in Greece and didn't make it... isn't it true that half of the Ausie league is consisted of Greek rooted players and that your Champions Last year in the World Club Cup had a Greek name?

-George

Chris:
when did i see Georgatos play? - a few times - do you expect me to tell you the dates?!! (would be quite stupid of you)

how come Inter offered more money to keep Georgatos? - because they wanted a good enough susbstitute for their better player - you know injuries and etc.

when have you responded in a non-intelligent way? - when did i say that particulary you didn't respond in an intelligent way? - but if you wanna know - in your previous post - "How about u don't talk out of your *** anymore Denis??" - that's not exactly intelligent is it? - you think i can talk out of my *** ? strange cos i as an intelligent person don't think that's possible...


what do i know about the Ancient Greeks? -quite a bit - tell me what do you want to know and i'll try to answer you (i guess you don't know jack anyway)

hmm? - aheemmmmmmm

[This message has been edited by Denis Enchev (edited 10-28-2000).]

Denis- Inter offered Georgatos double the money b/c they wanted to keep him... speaking of inteligence i don't think Inter is stupid enouph to pay so much money for a substitute... and if you realy want to know... you football no nothing... Georgatos didn't start the first 5 matches for Inter... then he was a regular for the rest of the season, except one or two times that he was injured... now... tell me, who did Inter have that could have replaced him?

-George

Bravo Georgos!!!

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Denis, I know alot abotut he Ancient Greeks because I am Greek. I grew up with Greek influence. Always heard stories and things from my relatives. And then when I was a little older I did research. REAL RESEARCH. About my ancestors. I most likely know more than u...

And the fact u told me to tell u ALL that I know, shows how much u really know about it. Their isn't enough time to sit here and tell u ALL the stuff I know about AncientGreece. Their is so much. Their were so many differen't priods (Alexander's,rise of Athens,Sparta etc...)

Now about GEORGATOS, I didn't say the exact date (I don't know why u would imply that??)

I am wondering did u see him in CL play?

In SERIE A?

In the Greek Leaue?

With the Greek NT?

When? Against who? Thats not unreasonable...

PS So Inter were paying Georgatos 7.5 mil a year, they opted to pay twice as much (15 mil if u need the math to be done) to have him stay, and then to go buy a MORE EXPENSIVE player??

Does that make any sense??

Why wouldn't they buy the "Expensive" player, see how much they had left, then see if they could keep Geo or buy a cheaper LB...


Hmmm????

GEORGE,
What kinda freak are ya??
i hated wasting my time reading that stupid article...
I wonder why your wasting you time typing it...
I KNOW YOU LIKE TRY TO PROVE THAT THE GREEKS ARE A SUPERIOR RACE, but your overeacting!!
And the part about Zetterberg...
Zetterberg left Anderlecht after 6 beautifull years because of the money, not the club!!
In Olympiakos he earned 5 times the money he earned in Anderlecht. (they need't a good player because Zahovic had the brains to leave Olympiakos, and saw what was better for him)
BTW: i saw olympiakos-Valencia and i thought it was a weak and BORING match!!
Your not saying that greek legeau is better than the finish, your saying the (the sucking)GREEK legeau is one of the best in the world, and for such arogance i have no respect at all

Ok this is starting to seriously amuse me. George , it is a pure fact that we have larger international firms than you. Don't proove otherwise cause you're way out of your league. Panafon and Telestet !?!? I have never in my life heard of those firms.
Finland has Nokia mobile telecommunications the fifth largest company in the world rated higher than, let's say for example, Coca-Cola Co. Nokia is like Litmanen it definately does not need an intro. Then Linux is from Finland ever heard of that it is the ONLY competitor to Microsoft and is the most used operating system in France and the netherlands. Heard of Wilson tennis rackets.. You know the best ones in the world. Used by Pete Sampras for example.. www.amer.fi (http://www.amer.fi) have a look
Amer owns and makes Wilson but also Atomic which are the worlds best skis. As used by skiing legend from austria Hermann Meir.
So 'nuff about the firms because we clearly have better ones.... Oh and also George I could beat the american football team single handled they know nothing about football. This is why they called it soccer. They ruined the name of the beautiful euro game.

Remember greeks that the vikings from Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland attacked England and took over it. We were the most feared force on the planet at the time. Finland has Paavo Nurmi who has won the most olympic medals ever in the history of the olympic games and I know the olympics are from greece. Mount Olympia in greece is where the flame is from and I am fond of the ancient greeks. They were very interesting.
Finland is the home of motor sports. we even invented going down in the turns in motor biking. Jarno Saarinen invented it and he is a legend still in Italy where he died in Monza and his statue is next to Aryton Senna's. That is why current italian F1 driver Jarno Trulli has the name JARNO...
Forza Finland

Luc-

Jesus Christ man, do you have an atention defisit disorder or something? How many times do I have to say that we are only trying to prove that the Greek National team is better that then Finland? Now why does your brain come up with alternate ****? Where did you actualy see that? And where the **** did you see me talking about Greeks being a superior race? You are funny man, I love to see what you come up with everytime you post something on this forum!

Per Zetterberg told the media that he came to Olympiakos party for the money ofcourse (but he also said that he would have came to Olympiakos with less money, as he had offers from Fiorentina and Arsenal with more money offered to him that Olympiakos), because he wanted a more chalenge and b/c he wanted to play for Olympiakos b/c HE SAID they are at a higher lever than Anderlecht, and b/c the Greek league is better than the Belgium League ACCORDING TO HIM, but he didn't fail to mention that he will always love Anderlecht, and that one day he might return, that's why Olympiakos and Anderlecht have a good relationship and Olympiakos is sponsoring a section of the Anderlecht offical website to inform Anderlecht fans about Per.

Zlatko Zahovic obviously had some problems. Everyone in Greece knew that Olympiakos was not where Zahovic wanted to go. Olympiakos made a mistake and pushed forward the Zahovic deal, and the reason he came here was b/c of the good relationship between Olympiakos and Porto. The president of Porto said that "if Zahovic wants to leave Porto he will go nowhere, but Olympiakos", not because of the players will... this is the mistake that Olympiakos made... but they learned their lesson... if you want to be a world class football class you have to not take **** from anybody... whether that is Rivaldo, Del Piero, or Zahovic... Olympiakos followed the examples of Arsenal and Real Madrid with Nikolas Anelka and got rid of him after putting a ban on his contract and after giving him another chance.

And realy? Tell me what you have found boring in the Olympiakos-Valencia game other than the fact that you are trying to put Olympiakos... The bottom line is that Olympiakos beat Valencia and they have a better aggregate in the group now as they lost 2-1 in spain.

-George

P.S. When I replied to Jari's comments about Greek women, Greek firms etc I was not trying to claim that we are an inferior race... i was proving his statements of Greek women not being able to come forth in beauty pageons, and non-existant Greek firms.



[This message has been edited by George Hatzigeorgiou (edited 10-28-2000).]

Jari, there is no doubt that Finland has better and more popular firms than Greece... I never said that we have better... I said that we have some too... and just b/c they are not known in Finland doesn't mean they are not popular... now that we got that cleared why don't you stick to the point you started about football and not try to hide behind other issues my friend...

-George

P.S. You can singlehandetly beat the United States football team? Why don't you just take over the world while you're at it... lol

P.S.2 I study in the United States... the people who gave the name soccer to football in the states where the media, when they were afraid that the meaning of their American football was going to change... but for your own information... I play football here... and people who are involved in football in the States call it football.

Ok this is starting to seriously amuse me. George , it is a pure fact that we have larger international firms than you. Don't proove otherwise cause you're way out of your league. Panafon and Telestet !?!? I have never in my life heard of those firms.
Finland has Nokia mobile telecommunications the fifth largest company in the world rated higher than, let's say for example, Coca-Cola Co. Nokia is like Litmanen it definately does not need an intro. Then Linux is from Finland ever heard of that it is the ONLY competitor to Microsoft and is the most used operating system in France and the netherlands. Heard of Wilson tennis rackets.. You know the best ones in the world. Used by Pete Sampras for example.. www.amer.fi (http://www.amer.fi) have a look
Amer owns and makes Wilson but also Atomic which are the worlds best skis. As used by skiing legend from austria Hermann Meir.
So 'nuff about the firms because we clearly have better ones.... Oh and also George I could beat the american football team single handled they know nothing about football. This is why they called it soccer. They ruined the name of the beautiful euro game.
Remember greeks that the vikings from Finland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark and Iceland attacked England and took over it. We were the most feared force on the planet at the time. Finland has Paavo Nurmi who has won the most olympic medals ever in the history of the olympic games and I know the olympics are from greece. Mount Olympia in greece is where the flame is from and I am fond of the ancient greeks. They were very interesting.
Finland is the home of motor sports. we even invented going down in the turns in motor biking. Jarno Saarinen invented it and he is a legend still in Italy where he died in Monza and his statue is next to Aryton Senna's. That is why current italian F1 driver Jarno Trulli has the name JARNO...
Forza Finland

Chris:
when you post something like your last post, that's what make people cuss and swear - a bucket load of bulls**t ? WHEN THE F**K DID I TELL YOU TO TELL ME ALL THAT YOU KNOW ABOUT ANCIENT GREEK? ONLY IN YOUR LITTLE PUNK MIND - I SAID TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT TO KNOW, YOU.....ANYWAY....

wathing Georgatos play is far from a big occasion in my life ,so i don't remember the date and the opposition - but i've watched him at least 3-4 Seria A games....

also i can't believe Inter has offered that much money - think again - maybe it's just your imagination ....

and i don't know about your REAL RESEARCH (which makes you so proud) but in my country there's a subject even in primary school called history where we've covered quite a lot of Ancient Greek history , and we've studied it in high-school as well so don't give me that **** about how complex is the Ancient Greek history cos i most probably know even more than you

now buzz off , tired of arguing with you even more about a highly-overrated player like Georgatos


[This message has been edited by Denis Enchev (edited 10-28-2000).]

Here is to show how big we really are in motor sports for the ones bringing it up. Everyone knows Mika Salo and Häkkinen. Oh and 6 time in a row rally champion Tommi Mäkinen and the 10 drivers from Finland before him. Here is to show how famous Jarno Saarinen motor bike legend is in Italy: http://www.motoclubjarnosaarinen.com/ http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3917/jarno.htm
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/3917/jarno4.jpg
"Jarno's death, along with that of Renzo Pasolini at Monza on 20 May 1973 was a great tragedy which appalled the motorcycling world. Rarely has one man received such adulation and achieved so much on the race track in such a short time. Jarno died a hero's death on the race track doing what he always did, riding 10/10ths. But, he didn't want to do die and he died needlessly and in doing so the world lost a larger than life motorcyling celebrity."




[This message has been edited by Jari Litmanen (edited 10-28-2000).]

The Vikings???????????? Hea this relly makes up good conversation. A hole entire country taking credit for ones physical beuty? (Pamela Anderson a Canadian) Now were talking science, who needs intelegent talk!!!!!!

Ok now I'm pissed off.But lets have a row in things:
a)Enchev if I do what you know on your face would be ok?I'm a punk but not in the way you want.Also how would YOU know ANYTHING bout Greece after all?I think your Russia is so pathetic that was disqualified for World Cup 94 by poor old Greece.....HAHAHHA
b)Nilis:Olympiakos has problems that you wouldnt understand.However if he passes we wish Anderlecht will be in the same group as him.Also I'm not bulied by anyone cuz here in Greece things are different....we're not so "soft" as you people.We are Mediterranean.If someone ****s with me I mince his face.No bull****.
c)Litmanen http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gifork....I dont think you are even close to us.Also Olympiakos is not PAO you stupid man.You should know before you speak.
We'll see who's better when we play(again).Also it doesnt matter if your taller in fighting.The technic is the matter. Also with a couble of chains you'd see THE TRUTH!
d)Other guy(dont remember name):Lazaridis is greek the same way Fillipides in tennis is.They have greek origins clearly.
Also for all of u.Georgatos is amongst the 5 top LBs in the world.In 1998 when Olympiakos reached 8 in C.League he devastated Davids against Juventus.In Inter he was fine but due to his stupidness he came back.Lippi admitted he wanted him more than nothing else but Georgatos didnt want to come.As for Zahovic if Anderlecht wants him they may have him! He has the worst character a footaballer can have!
Maybe Im insulting some in high levels but hey you did too!
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[This message has been edited by Giovanni7 (edited 10-28-2000).]

another example of how patetic you greek people are - i really hope not all are like you Giovanni.

now, i'm not gonna cuss though i really want to, because i don't want to lower myself to your level ...

first, I was born in Bulgaria, which might come as a surprise to you narrowminded, brainless greek - and we kicked the hell out of you in WC 94 and ALMOST every other time we've played you, and for your information, you didn't disqualify Russia - they played in the world cup and did much better than you - Salenko scored 5 goals in one game which is a record in a wc match.

but anyway that just shows that you know jack about football

now, it won't be ok to do "what you know" on my face ,so it seems you'll have to do it on your father's face again...sorry

now piss off the forum, because people like you really ruin it

Jari- For Chirst's sake man... no wonder all of us hate you in here... no doubt Finland has some of the finest people in motorcross, but what pissed me off is what you said:
"Here is to show how big we really are in motor sports for the ones bringing it up."
MOTHE****ER YOU BROUGHT THIS UP...
ONCE AGAIN... WHY DON'T YOU STICK TO THE ****EN POINT THAT YOU RAISED IN THE BEGINNING OF THIS FORUM ARTICLE... YOU ARE JUST PUSSING OUT AREN'T YA MAMA'S BOY?

Denis- Since you are this excelent researcher and you don't believe what Inter did to keep Georgatos why don't you do yourself some research and find out. And so you won't waste your time i'll help you out a little bit... why dont' you go over to the official Internazionale website... click on english language and find out about yourself... this way you'll prevent some humiliation and shut up about it before i rob some facts in your face.

-George

Ok I agree that I made some mistakes there.
Did you ever tell you are Bulg.?Throught by the surname you were Russian.We came first and Russia 2nd but you are right they passed.
As for my father's face I'd like not to answer here but privately.You also be a man I'd like to "meet" in person.I'm not ruining anything.You must admit you are ALWAYS tempting for any Greek person.You cant just say either "we are the best" or "you are the worst!".That is what pisses me off most of all.

Also non-greek ppl you CANT possibly know more about Greek History than ANY greek.Ok you learn about it in school but so do we and in even better terms.And Im not trying to insult anyone or anything with this.

"I think your Russia is so pathetic that was disqualified for World Cup 94 by poor old Greece.....HAHAHHA"


well well well.... Since Denis is not Russian, I will take that insult to me.... Russia is pathetic? You really need some more braincells, man... This is unsafe to be so idiotic in this time, you know....

Russia qualified to the USA 94... And scored more goals in group stage than anyone...
We did not qualify for the knock-out stage, just because in our group was Brazil (1st place in the WC) and Sweden (3rd place in WC) to whom we lost both games, obviously... Plus, our forward Oleg Salenko won the best goalscorer award, and got the golden boot (or some other top award)....


And the WONDERFUL Greece I have been praising here in this topic THE WHOLE time managed to produce people like you... Unless you are not Greek, of course......

giovanni's right... i went to school in greece for 14 years and i studied greek history and then i moved to the states for university studies and the "greek" history that you learn here is nothing compered to what you learned in greece as i'm sure it's the same way with russian, fin, norwagian history etc.

-george

hmm, you greeks just go on to amaze me... where THE F**K did i say that i'm an excellent researcher ?

please people, stop with that s**t - if you are simply making a conclusion from my great knowledge that i'm an excellent researcher that doesn't mean that i've said it...

anyway, i'm gonna say it for the last time - i don't give a you know what for Georgatos, if anybody's gonna do a research that's you - you have to prove what you've said - till then it's just a bucket of "you know what"...

geeee, stop embarassing yourself anymore...


oh, and SHUT UP ABOUT IT

[This message has been edited by Denis Enchev (edited 10-28-2000).]

I said Im sorry bout that mistake Russian Rocket you dont have to use such expressions god damn it!But we DID at least came 1st and you 2nd.That was what I was thinking of.However I was too pissed off to correctly write what I meant.Sorry bout that again.

RR... i'm gonna go ahead and appologize for giovanni's remarks about russia... he was probably just too pissed off... and wasn't thinking... greece was just on fire during that time and it was the greatest achievement the made in history... but that was back then... right now russia is better than greece even though they have their problems.

-George

P.S. Denis... you facts are coming

Denis-... speaking about research... here's what you've said:
"and i don't know about your REAL RESEARCH (which makes you so proud) but in my country there's a subject even in primary school called history where we've covered quite a lot of Ancient Greek history , and we've studied it in high-school as well so don't give me that **** about how complex is the Ancient Greek history cos i most probably know even more than you"

-George

ok, AGAIN, i haven't said i know more than you all, i said i know probably more than Chris16 - which i didn't really mean - it was more like an attempt for an insult - anyway of course i recognise that i couldn't know more about greek history than you....

happy now?

[This message has been edited by Denis Enchev (edited 10-28-2000).]

George:
yeah, i've said that - you've got anything to say about it? let's hear it....

I never said that Russia was worse than Greece that time. In fact, we got lucky, because Yugoslavia was supposed to play in the group too, but because of political reasons disqualified. So we had a very easy group and qualified as the best 2nd place, I think.


aLso, I used that fact as how Finland was worse than Greece... That Russia beat Finland 6:0 in Helsinki in Euro 96 qualification and Greece finished above Russia in USA 94 qualification.

but I forgot that in 96 qualifications Greece was also in our group.. And finished above Finland with 18 points (Finland had 15, and Russia 26. Scotland came in 2nd with 23)....


as for calling you without braincells -- I am sorry, but that was a retaliation for your calling of Russia "pathetic" when we beat you twice in 95...

Denis- I never said that you knew more about Greek history than us... I just posted that to prove to you that you said that you do good research... but anyways... your facts are coming...
-George

George:

wrong again http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
hate to be childish but i never said i do good research ,get your facts right - i said i had studied this n' that in school but nothing more....

Does SPEAKING ABOUT REAL RESEARCH ring any bells Denis?

-George

yeah i said "your REAL RESEARCH" - Chris16 or whoever said he was doing real research and i just mentioned that the research he was doing was no big deal but i didn't say i was good in research ....sorry man ,i know you want me to have said that but i haven't

Ok i'm done here.

Their is no point to this.

Denis, if u don't care about Greece, and u don't care about Georgatos etc... Then why are u posting so much about them? Why do u keep posting when your saying "i'm sikc of this i'm stoping" etc...

Anyway i'm done.

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Denis-
maybe i missunderstood you or something man... maybe you were thinking one thing and now you are thinking another... or maybe i don't know what you are doing... nevertheless... you asked for facts and they are coming

-George

P.S. So are you a good researcher or what?

why am i posting about them? because you keep arguing about it - if you just accepted that i'm right it'd all be fine -

you're done? that's great news - one down - 5 to go ....

George:

what i was thinking was very-obvious and it didn't involve boasting about how good researcher i am, which i don't claim to be true - i don't like to compliment myself - you know - it's better when other people do it....

anyways, it's been a very very very very very very long topic.... one of the hottest topics ever in these forums...... Let's put an end to it, because it's been 2 whole weeks after the Albania-Greece game was played.... And the argument about the research which I have no idea about what it is about should should also be closed... but, of course, argue here however you want, your choice (this message is to all who are still here http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif)

how do you make the devil smile? - been trying to make it for a while http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif no success

KOSTAS:

that's good to know but even your idol Georgatos isn't a world class player so i don't give a JACK-S**T where greek players (or not so-greek as Matason found out) play...all that matters is that NO GREEK IS A WORLD CLASS PLAYER and that's why your team is so crap - no offense but that's reality for you ....

...HOMESICK ?!?!??! WHAT THE F**K DO YOU TAKE ME FOR ? - homesick my a$$ he was probably kicked out - or if he was really home-sick i've got one thing to say for him - he's a GAY