First of all our fantastic city, if somebody wishes to go there ask me, I know everything:

http://www.kompas-online.net/Pages/LeisureGroups/images/munchen.jpg
http://www.tuttobaviera.it/immagini/nymphenburg5.jpg


Doesn't matter to type our history (but if u wish go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Bayern_Munich), we are forever number one since 1900 cause we are:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/4/47/FC_Bayern_Munich.png


Our stadium, the Allianz Arena, my house:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/3492/11024s.jpg


Our old stadium, where we typed a big part of our fantastic history, the Olympiastadion in the Olympiapark (fantastic, let's go there and pray!):

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/5998/olympiastadionmuenchen.jpg


Honors:

European Trophies:
4 European Champions Cups: 1973-74, 1974-75, 1975-76, 2000-01
1 UEFA Cup: 1996
1 European Cup Winners Cup: 1967
2 Intercontinental Cups: 1976, 2001

Domestic Championships:
20: 1932, 1968-69, 1971-72, 1972-73, 1973-74, 1979-80, 1980-81, 1984-85, 1985-86, 1986-87, 1988-89, 1989-90, 1993-94, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-2000, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2004-05, 2005-06, 2007-08, 2009-2010

Domestic Cups:
13 German Cups: 1957, 1966, 1967, 1969, 1971, 1982, 1984, 1986, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006, 2008, 2010

German Supercup:
1987, 1990, 2010

Ligapokal:
1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2004, 2007


Our mascotte, Berni (not me of course lol)

http://img861.imageshack.us/img861/6571/immagine311.jpg
http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/media/images/kids_club/berni_in_allianz_arena_close_580px.jpg


Our song:

Welche Münchner Fußballmannschaft kennt man auf der ganzen Welt ?
Wie heißt dieser Club, der hier zu Lande die Rekorde hält ?
Wer hat schon gewonnen, was es jemals zu gewinnen gab?
Wer bringt seit Jahrzehnten unsre Bundesliga voll auf Trap ?

"FC Bayern, Stern des Südens, du wirst niemals untergehen, weil wir in guten wie in schlechten Zeiten zu einander stehen.
FC Bayern Deutscher Meister ja so heißt er, mein Verein, ja so war es und so ist es und so wird es immer sein "

Wo wird klar schon angegriffen, wo wird täglich spioniert ?
Wo ist Presse, wo ist Rummel, wo wird immer diskutiert ?
Wer spielt in jedem Stadion vor ausverkauftem Haus ?
Wer hält den großen Druck der Gegner stehts aufs neue aus?

"FC Bayern, Stern des Südens, du wirst niemals untergehen, weil wir in guten wie in schlechten Zeiten zu einander stehen.
FC Bayern Deutscher Meister ja so heißt er, mein Verein, ja so war es und so ist es und so wird es immer sein "

Ob Bundesliga im Pokal oder Champions League
ja gibt es denn was schöneres, als einen Bayern Sieg ?
Hier ist Leben, hier ist Liebe, hier ist Freude und drum bleibt mein München Deutschlands bester bis in alle Ewigkeit

"FC Bayern, Stern des Südens, du wirst niemals untergehen, weil wir in guten wie in schlechten Zeiten zu einander stehen.
FC Bayern Deutscher Meister ja so heißt er, mein Verein, ja so war es und so ist es und so wird es immer sein "


http://www.fcbayern.t-home.de/de/aktuell/start/index.php


Home kit 2011/2012:

http://shop.fcbayern.de/cat_images/zoom/zoom-12503-fc-bayern-Home-Trikot-Techfit-Limited-Edition.png


Our President:

http://www.topnews.in/files/Uli-Hoeness.jpg

Our new Trainer, Jupp Heynckes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Jupp_Heynckes.jpg


SIMPLY THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Other things-coming soon

Please, please, please, someone change the thread name so it looks like last year's. It's quite en eyesore right now.

You couldn't find any larger images than that?

Good and nice opening to new thread. Thank you, good job!

Good and nice opening to new thread. Thank you, good job!

tx dude, many things are still missing.......

about Vidal and J.Boateng they declaired "I want to play for Bayern", Leverkusen asks 15 millions for Vidal, its a right price, but Man city asks around 20 for Boateng, too expensive so we gotta consider other CB's.....:)

I've been to Munchen as well, although it was much too briefly. Really only time to check out the Marienplatz, Stachus, Hofbrauhaus, and a Bayern Team store.

I've been to Munchen as well, although it was much too briefly. Really only time to check out the Marienplatz, Stachus, Hofbrauhaus, and a Bayern Team store.

U missed too much, why dont u come back?(Y)

I am, I'll be at Oktoberfest just before my 30th Birthday in 2013.

i am, i'll be at oktoberfest just before my 30th birthday in 2013.

(Y)

I am, I'll be at Oktoberfest just before my 30th Birthday in 2013.

Notify when you do. I've been looking to hit up the 'fest one of these years. I'd try out your frankfurter.

Notify when you do. I've been looking to hit up the 'fest one of these years. I'd try out your frankfurter.

Will do. In my grand plan it's just the first stop on a 2-3 week trip through (mostly) Eastern Europe. Not sure whether to go Northeast or Southeast though, and obviously I can't project my finances more than 2 years from now.

I demand sight seeing pictures of Az and Nim. I shall be expecting a thread in 2013.

However, we must all be careful. By that points the spam bots might have developed AI replicative capabilities.

Page 13: Shots fired in Latvian Brothel, hilarity ensues

Honestly, "sightseeing" for me is "let's see the inside of some bars". I went to LA and didn't see the Pacific Ocean. I do NOT want to see traditional sights at all.

Christian Zapata!?!?

Xifio, you check this thread? What can you say about him? Great CB in FM, but I always had the impression that he was a right back in real life. Can he play in central defense for a club like Bayern?

And now Toni Vastic, some Austrian teenager who's at Blackburn. Never heard of him.

Christian Zapata!?!?

Xifio, you check this thread? What can you say about him? Great CB in FM, but I always had the impression that he was a right back in real life. Can he play in central defense for a club like Bayern?

And now Toni Vastic, some Austrian teenager who's at Blackburn. Never heard of him.

Zapata is a CB from Udinese, he had some good seasons but now he's down, anyway he's joining fc Liverpool-

Christian Zapata!?!?

Xifio, you check this thread? What can you say about him? Great CB in FM, but I always had the impression that he was a right back in real life. Can he play in central defense for a club like Bayern?said this about him during the draft:

Cristián Zapataa very versatile quality player ... I recommended him to Skip when he was looking for a versatile defender ... would have picked him myself if I hadn't gotten El Pupi Zanetti, or if the squad size was bigger ...note the point on his versatility ... basically he can play anywhere across the backline, and I think he can easily slot into DM ...

I also had this to say about him a week ago:Why so much money on redundant players and not a cent for someone like Vertonghen?He needs to go to Milan. NOW!!!I'd prefer to see Milan go for Simon Kjær if you're talking about defence ... then Cristián Zapata ...

if he is still a target when the Copa América starts, you can check out for yourself how he fares against the likes of Argentina and their many stars ...

Tx Xifio, anyway not, he's not our target now.......

I hear that he definitely IS our target. Kjaer btw had a rather mediocre year at Wolfsburg, but maybe you can chalk that up to awful coaching and team morale.

Kjaer btw had a rather mediocre year at Wolfsburg, but maybe you can chalk that up to awful coaching and team morale.yeah, I know, and I do ... needless to say Magath is a better coach than the Wally with the Brolly, but I still would prefer to see Simon back in Italy rather than at VolksWagen for another year ... he needs a full pre-season with a top/ambitious club -- Milan, Juve, or Roma -- to rediscover his confidence, and ensure he can properly re-establish his credentials next season ... you guys aren't still in the hunt for him, are you?

Maybe u got reason Nim, I never read anything about Zapata and of course he's not our 1st choice but our 2356th and for the bench of course, Kjaer why not, as u said a mediocre saison at Wolfsburg but who played ok last season in Wolfsburg?:-(

yeah, I know, and I do ... needless to say Magath is a better coach than the Wally with the Brolly, but I still would prefer to see Simon back in Italy rather than at VolksWagen for another year ... he needs a full pre-season with a top/ambitious club -- Milan, Juve, or Roma -- to rediscover his confidence, and ensure he can properly re-establish his credentials next season ... you guys aren't still in the hunt for him, are you?

No, Bayern never had any interest that I saw.

Zapata, as far as I'm aware is 3rd choice behind Boateng and Alex, but those deals aren't progressing and Liverpool has started to swoop for Zapata so it looks like we're in for him now too.

Notify when you do. I've been looking to hit up the 'fest one of these years. I'd try out your frankfurter.

Lol, you will come to munich, and try out Frankfurter? Are you serious?:innocent_smile_1:

First of all, these sausages are only called Frankfurter if produced around Frankfurt. In the rest of germany they are called Wiener. After Vienna.

Second, in bavaria you might wanna try out Weisswurst instead before you even think of Wiener, they are the national dish. (Y)

Lol, you will come to munich, and try out Frankfurter? Are you serious?:innocent_smile_1:

First of all, these sausages are only called Frankfurter if produced around Frankfurt. In the rest of germany they are called Wiener. After Vienna.

Second, in bavaria you might wanna try out Weisswurst instead before you even think of Wiener, they are the national dish. (Y)

exactly.......

Wut?

I want to much on his cock, did you not get that?

Sadly, Funnybot was never actually created.

Lol, you will come to munich, and try out Frankfurter? Are you serious?:innocent_smile_1:

First of all, these sausages are only called Frankfurter if produced around Frankfurt. In the rest of germany they are called Wiener. After Vienna.

Second, in bavaria you might wanna try out Weisswurst instead before you even think of Wiener, they are the national dish. (Y)



Weisswurt named after the Chelmsford player.

Rumors have us linked with both Chelseas Alex and Barcelonas' Milito. Both are mediocre at best but if i had to pick i'd go for Alex for sure. Milito is washed out.

Btw i will be in Munich at the end of August for a day only unfortunately.

Milito? Eww. Would like Alex.

Read the thing about Alex too. Think he´d fit.

Btw, i am a bit irritated by your sig, Deisler :skip_e:

Have a cookie, it will pass. :)

I never knew about this. Hahahaha

[T]ake Johan Cruyff's farewell fixture for Ajax against Bayern Munich. You might think the result doesn't matter in a testimonial and, by and large, you'd be right, but what about when the team you invite turn up and give you a proper shoeing?

"The German champions wanted to show their Dutch counterparts something after earlier defeats and not being welcomed at Schiphol Airport," writes Dave G Boham. "They even had to sleep at a sub-par hotel. After jeers from the crowd, they showed their hosts something. Three goals were disallowed during the 8-0 hammering dished out by the Bavarians. The Ajax players just wanted to have a good time. In 2006, Bayern apologised."

(H)!!!!

??????????????????????

A wild slowpoke appears (H)

We showed up for Cryuff's testimonial and played it like a competitive match, winning 8-0. I think that's hilarious.

Bayern loaned Takashi Usami from Gamba Osaka with an option that Bayern can sign Usami completely during half year "trial".

We showed up for Cryuff's testimonial and played it like a competitive match, winning 8-0. I think that's hilarious.

Me too. But knowing the dutch´s tending for showing off, especially during Cruyffs time, its not that hard to understand. They just wanted to give something back. Not very sportsmanlike though, but the dutchs behaviour during matches they owned, was neither. I dont even think it had something to do with an lousy hotel or Ajax supporters. :innocent_smile_1:
And dutch vs. germans is always...well....different.


P.S. Jupp started pre-saison today with 7 players:browsmiley:

Usami "Robben Japanese" jejeje

Usami "Robben Japanese" jejeje

sure lol(Y)

17k bitches

incredible: we offered 15 millions for arturo vidal and bayer NEVERKUSEN says no, italian clubs are offering less for him and NEVERKUSEN is treating the transfer, idiots! then our offer for boateng is still 12,5 but this way man city never leave jerome to us, other idea is alex from chelsea.....

How is that idiotic? Why would you sell to a domestic rival club if there are other options..

How is that idiotic? Why would you sell to a domestic rival club if there are other options..

the player declaired: "i want to play with bayern!"........

How is that idiotic? Why would you sell to a domestic rival club if there are other options..

They're doing what they can, but Vidal isn't going to go to a club like Napoli when he can just sign with Bayern on a Bosman next summer and collect a huge sign on fee while going to a top club. Leverkusen are going to be stuck with an unhappy player this season and then lose him for nothing. But I suppose there's no harm in trying to send him elsewhere.

Bayern are pretty good at *ahem* NOT tapping up players from the Bundesliga. Vidal is coming; it's just a matter of time. Probably has a pre-contract already.

My bad, didn't know the contract situation or that he only wants Bayern, still, accepting the first offer is never a good idea

have money in cash is important, maybe Leverkusen not need

have money in cash is important, maybe Leverkusen not need

sure they dont need money, leverkusen is a rich club, but the contact of vidal expires in 2012.......

http://i54.tinypic.com/2cnzfrr.jpg

http://i54.tinypic.com/2cnzfrr.jpg

(Y)(Y)(Y)

You badly need quality defenders.
Van Buyten, Breno and others are not in that level.

You badly need quality defenders.
Van Buyten, Breno and others are not in that level.

we'r looking 4 new defenders but its a stalling situation now, we offered 12,5 for jerome boateng but city asks 25! then vidal.....neverkusen wishes to sell him outside and not to us, we offered 15 millions, breno really sucks, v.buyten and bads better but not so good, we'll see.....

How's your new forward, Peterson? his stats are good.

I saw few games of Usami and he looks very promising.

If Gomez plays at the level which he played last year, you should be more than OK up front. However, it needs Robben+Ribbery fitness which is ...

Bayern Munich 2011-2012

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4149/1112aq.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/706/1112aq.jpg/)

where's Takashi Usami???

He's still in Japan.

Keepers order is funny :).

How's your new forward, Peterson? his stats are good.

I saw few games of Usami and he looks very promising.

If Gomez plays at the level which he played last year, you should be more than OK up front. However, it needs Robben+Ribbery fitness which is ...

Petersen has been the top scorer in the 2. Bundesliga with 24 goals but sincerely I dont know so much about him, hope he'll be a good reserve for Supermario Gomez!(Y)

Yeah, and probably behind Olic as well too, although coming off injury I think Olic will start the season coming off the bench in the last 10-15 minutes when Robben goes out.

Yeah, and probably behind Olic as well too, although coming off injury I think Olic will start the season coming off the bench in the last 10-15 minutes when Robben goes out.

yep, why not?(Y)

Our roster is now too thin, like last year, we have quality but few players expecially on defence:

NEUER, BUTT, RIEDMÜLLER

RAFINHA, LAHM, CONTENTO, BADSTUBER, BRENO V.BUYTEN

TYMO, L.GUSTAVO, MÜLLER, KROOS, SCHWEINI, RIB, ROB, ALABA

OLIC, GOMEZ, PETERSEN

We need almost one CB and a defensives allrounder, then Vidal, and some youngsters joining the 1st team........Alex, Boateng, I'm not so enthusisatic about 'em........

WE NEED THIS ONE BUT WITH THE TRAP IN PRESS CONFERENCE LOL:

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_footballworldcup/STRUNZ_Thomas_19960630_SF_L.jpg

Struuunz! Strunz ist zwei Jahre hier, hat gespielt zehn Spiel, ist immer verletzt. Was erlaube Strunz?! Letzte Jahre Meister geworden mit Hamann, eh..., Nerlinger. Diese Spieler waren Spieler e war Meister geworden. Ist immer verletzt! Hat gespielet 25 Spiele in diese Mannschaft, in diese Verein. Muss rispetieren die andere Kollega!

good squad if everyone stay fit which has a low chance (especially Robben, Ribery).

really is a great squad, but needs to strengthen the defense sector

good squad if everyone stay fit which has a low chance (especially Robben, Ribery).

agree but not on defence like coxlenox says........:clapwap:

OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!

Dale Jennings and Jerome Boateng!!!!!!!!!!!!!(Y)(Y)(Y)

wow fantastic news...

wow fantastic news...

yes(Y)

anywhere, jupp heynckes declaired that we need 2 CBs so we're waiting for the other one, and about vidal he declaired that he wishes him into the roster, we'll see.........

if Bayern sign another defender means that another exit

if Bayern sign another defender means that another exit

think breno......

is maybe in Brazil he played very well but had little success in Germany

Now let Alex come also and season can start(Y)

Now let Alex come also and season can start(Y)

+Vidal, +Reus..........

I don't think we're getting another CB guys. Quite a bit of money spent already. I think this is the squad.

I don't think we're getting another CB guys. Quite a bit of money spent already. I think this is the squad.

Na, we are spending now after spent zero cause van Gaal the last 2 years, we have lots of money........

We'll see.

I guess Vidal comes next year. But another 10 Mill for Alex should be acceptable. Only heard rumours about Mou wanting him too....

I heard he was just Plan B in case we didn't get Boateng.

Yeah right, but if we can get him for 10, we should do it. For now theres only Boateng and Badstuber. Breno and v.Buyten as backups at the most. Jupp likes to rotate, so we better have 3 equal cb´s.

I agree, I want him too, but don't think it will happen.

I heard he was just Plan B in case we didn't get Boateng.

No, Heynckes declaired he wishes Alex and Vidal too and hope the management will do the best to keep them......

now yes:
http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/media/images/spieler_11_12_/usami/270/usami_fcb_150711.jpg

Boateng will use the shirt number 17 ?

now yes:
http://www.fcbayern.t-com.de/media/images/spieler_11_12_/usami/270/usami_fcb_150711.jpg

Boateng will use the shirt number 17 ?

think yes.....

you still need one quality central defender ... Alex ... not bad.

you still need one quality central defender ... Alex ... not bad.

Alex is always injured but sure he's great, we'll see, anyway I'd prefere Benedikt Höwedes.......(Y)

Howedes isn't coming! No one is coming!

Howedes isn't coming! No one is coming!

:clapwap:

It's true! I bet it's more fun in fantasy world, but we aren't spending more money. You might not like it, but Badstuber and Breno are going to get a chance. And if they suck there's always Tymo and van Buyten and even Luis Gustavo. We spent ~35m this summer. Not the most we've ever done, but quite a bit nonetheless. No one in the first team squad is getting old and whatever doesn't work this year will be addressed next summer.

So Boateng gest number 17:
http://www.fcbayern.telekom.de/media/images/spieler_11_12_/boateng/270/boateng_get_170711.jpg

Now we're incomplete, we have lots of money but as Nim said no other new players.......:-(

Boateng #17 was expected right ... jejeje

Audi Cup today/tomorrow.

and what are the games?

and what are the games?

Today:
Bayern-Milan
Barcelona-Internacional Porto Alegre

Tomorrow:
final 3rd place, final

Robbery out again. To me that tackle from Kaivo, or whatever his name is, was an assault.

Robbery out again. To me that tackle from Kaivo, or whatever his name is, was an assault.

we are lucky that Robben will miss only the DFB pokal in braunschweig, so Ribery 4 now, but with gladbach they'll be on the pitch.....

Japanese guy Usami looked good yesterday. Great dribbler, fast, good with both foot and decent passer.

That's really good news. The rumor is that he's a bit temperamental and a prima donna, but has a lot of talent.

The rumor is that he's a bit temperamental and a prima donna, but has a lot of talent.

Maybe in Gamba Osaka, but playing at Bayern at age 19 should be like he is living a dream.

I hope. And with Ribery and Robben already gimping around it looks like he might be given every chance to prove himself on the field. Wouldn't be surprised to see him start this German Cup game on Monday in the Attacking Midfield Trio with Kroos and Muller if he looked as good as you say.

Well, Werder Bremen, Wolfsburg, and Leverkusen are already out of the Cup.

Robbery out again. To me that tackle from Kaivo, or whatever his name is, was an assault.

He's so fragile, how long he’ll be out?

He's so fragile, how long he’ll be out?

only some days this time......:clapwap:

he's out for 13 weeks in my Fifa manager mode as well :(.

he's out for 13 weeks in my Fifa manager mode as well :(.

u play fifa manager my friend? i never play it, i know its a great game but since 2 years there's not italian version......

so the roster now is:

NEUER, BUTT, RIEDMÜLLER

RAFINHA, LAHM, BOATENG, BRENO, V.BUYTEN, BADSTUBER, CONTENTO

TYMO, L.GUSTAVO, KROOS, SCHWEINI, USAMI, RIB, ROB, MÜLLER, ALABA

GOMEZ, OLIC, PETERSEN

ok, we need improvements on defence but til many days i dont hear rumours.........

Manuel Neuer player of the year 2011(Y)

http://mediadb.kicker.de/news/1000/1020/1100/3000/artikel/755836/neuer-1312107090_zoom21_crop_800x600_800x600+41+0.jpg

how you arrange the starting XI?

neuer
rafinha-badstuber-boateng-lahm
tymoshchuk -schweinsteiger
robben-muller-ribery
gomez

subs: butt-v.buyten-gustavo-kroos-pjanjic-olic-petersen

how you arrange the starting XI?

neuer
rafinha-badstuber-boateng-lahm
tymoshchuk -schweinsteiger
robben-muller-ribery
gomez

subs: butt-v.buyten-gustavo-kroos-pjanjic-olic-petersen

naaaaaaa, Usami I guess......or Contento........:blush:

Alaba ;)

Badsturber left CB and Boateng right CB, no?

Badsturber left CB and Boateng right CB, no?

ja of course

Badsturber left CB and Boateng right CB, no?

don't tell me van buy-ten is your pick?

van Buyten and Badstuber about about the same to be honest. Both are bad. He meant that Badstuber is left center, which is correct.

So whats up with Bayern? No left back or solid cb signing? I like the Boateng and Neur signings but I think some experienced cb would have been a big help.

So whats up with Bayern? No left back or solid cb signing? I like the Boateng and Neur signings but I think some experienced cb would have been a big help.

this is the trouble my friend, no new LB and no new CB cause Lahm swithces back at left and Boateng is not a CB......:rolleyes::blush:

Boateng is not a CB......:rolleyes::blush:

What is then? side back? i think he's a better as CB.

So whats up with Bayern? No left back or solid cb signing? I like the Boateng and Neur signings but I think some experienced cb would have been a big help.

Rafinha in as RB, Lahm to LB. Everybody agrees that we would like a new CB, but we're going to give the opportunity to Badstuber and Breno. My hunch is that next summer we will sign either Hummels or Howedes.

Boateng has all the attributes to be a great CB, he's just not proven in the position.

Don't know really what to say on the Lahm to lb. He is quality but it could have done better signing a natural lb.

I think Boateng will turn out to be superb cb but he could use the help of an experienced quality one beside him. But yeah I got that feeling that Hummels could be a Bayern player next summer. Seems as if its meant to be.

Well, Lahm has played LB his entire career and only switched the last 2 years. Many say he's better on the left because his crossing isn't great, but he's very dangerous cutting in on his strong foot.

Well, Lahm has played LB his entire career and only switched the last 2 years. Many say he's better on the left because his crossing isn't great, but he's very dangerous cutting in on his strong foot.

Yeah thats true. He was awesome at lb really.

I guess you are gonna win the league and the domestic cup regardless. Heard Werder and Bayer are out already:icon_spin: oh and Wolfsburg too.

Doesn't he prefer playing on the right though?

I like him better on the left, though.

I actually think he prefers the left. Like I said, he's spent his career there and it was more of a van Gaal preference for fullbacks on their "correct" side that moved him. And with Germany I think it was just to keep him consistent. He also seems to work a lot better with Ribery than he did with Robben.

Manuel Neuer wins Footballer of the Year in Germany.

I actually think he prefers the left. Like I said, he's spent his career there and it was more of a van Gaal preference for fullbacks on their "correct" side that moved him. And with Germany I think it was just to keep him consistent. He also seems to work a lot better with Ribery than he did with Robben.

Manuel Neuer wins Footballer of the Year in Germany.

.....in the case Rib and Rob are on the pitch, very hard it seems..........

So today the 1st DFB Pokal round in Braunschweig, seems we could play this way (we miss of course Ribery and Robben!):

Neuer - Rafinha, Boateng, Badstuber, Lahm - Luiz Gustavo, Schweinsteiger - T. Müller, Kroos, Alaba - Gomez
Trainer: Heynckes

I think Tymo will play instead of Gustavo. Saw someone say that Tymo and Boateng should be our defenders and I agree. Might take a month or two before we get there though.

I hope Tymo always in the starting line, after 2 years of desasters tx van Gaal he has to show us all his qualities..........

Muller wins a penalty, converted by Gomez.

1-0

I tell you, Muller's technique looks like it has improved. I love this kid, he gets better every year.

Muller wins another penalty. I must admit I would be upset if I was a Braunschweig fan, but he was hacked down both times pretty hard. Both clear penalties.

2-0
Gomez
Schweinsteiger

Crazy goal from Muller. Bayern has been on auto-pilot for the last half hour.

3-0
Gomez
Schweinsteiger
Muller

So 3:0, bad match, noisy, klare Erfolg für die FCB, easy win, my man of the match Boateng, sehr sehr gut als CB!(Y)

Yeah, Boateng looked comfortable back there. Not quite used to the position, but I think he'll be a really good one for us.

Yeah, Boateng looked comfortable back there. Not quite used to the position, but I think he'll be a really good one for us.

(Y)(Y)(Y)

“That wasn't a bad performance at all. I'm just a little bit more at home on the right,"

-Thomas Muller

Damn Robben!!!

-4 days, so lets go Bayern!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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20,30 Uhr CET, die Bundesliga 2011/2012 kommt!!!!!!!!! BVB09-HSV the 1st match
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Sunday at 5,30 CET Bayern-Gladbach, lets go lads and fight, fight, fight!!!!!!
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LETS GO BAYERN!!!!!!!!
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Probably starting line gegen Gladbach:

NEUER

RAFINHA-BOATENG-BADSTUBER-LAHM

SCHWEINI-GUSTAVO(TYMO)

ROBBEN-KROOS-MÜLLER(RIBERY)

GOMEZ

:D How are you Paolo my mate?

:D How are you Paolo my mate?

not so good my friend but i'm still alive, this month there're many troubles so i hope fc Bayern will help me..........:)

Just watched Dortmund-Hamburg match. Dortmund look very promising this year, they play more mature as well.

not so good my friend but i'm still alive, this month there're many troubles so i hope fc Bayern will help me..........:)

You are fine don't worry and Bayern will make you even better :D (Y)

You are fine don't worry and Bayern will make you even better :D (Y)

(Y)(Y)(Y)

I'll be at the bar for this one. Perfect timing, right after the Charity Shield. GO FCB!!!!

Neuer...

I'll be at the bar for this one. Perfect timing, right after the Charity Shield. GO FCB!!!!

Almost the Community shield has been a good match, to watch a similar Bayern van Gaal was good enough.....Zero everyone, never seen Bayern playing so bad and stupid all of my life, try pagelle why not:

NEUER 1
RAFINHA 2
BOATENG 3
BADS 6
LAHM 3
GUSTAVO 3
SCHWEINI 3
ROBBEN 0
MÜLLER 3
KROOS 3
GOMEZ 3

HEYNCKES 0

time to blame it on Van Gaal!

0-1, wtf?

0-1, wtf?

we played a fkng game, gladbach defended very well and profite a great mistake of Neuer and Boateng so 0-1, bad bad start.....:-(

very bad start!!

**** this ******* ****

Yeah and BVB looks awesome.

Yeah and BVB looks awesome.

BVB played a great match with Hamburg, 3-1 but they could win 6-0, anywhere we gotta care about us, we're the stronger team in the Bundesliga and we play games like the one of yesterday, we've to think, the players are ok, the coach is ok, we only sucked a game 4 now, nothing more, of course we'd need improvements but any team in the world needs improvement, Barça too, repeat we sucked too much to be true, yesterday we were not a football team, I hope to get better as soon as possible....

I don't think you are better than Dortmund, with Gündogan+Kagawa+Götze everything is possible, they got a lot of football.

we played a fkng game, gladbach defended very well and profite a great mistake of Neuer and Boateng so 0-1, bad bad start.....:-(

I think they both need time to get confidence and settle down.

I don't think you are better than Dortmund, with Gündogan+Kagawa+Götze everything is possible, they got a lot of football.

+1, Gotze is a really great player

Mario Gotze is one hell of a player. I love it he mentioned us as one of the teams he likes. It would be a dream if he comes to us one day.

which team in Germany got Robben, Ribery, Lahm, Schweinsteiger, Müller, Neuer and Gomez? With guys kind Olic on the bench? BVB plays really good football but dont have the best players....and the coach counts very much, Klopp gets the best by his players every match, he gets a secret I guess......

You may have the best players but BVB the best team.

You may have the best players but BVB the best team.

I know, in fact they won the title last season, whats so strange in that???

Watching Kompany for City made me remember that we bought van Buyten from Hamburg, and then they turned around and bought Kompany for less money. Stupid front office.

Hummels's saga is even worse.

Yeah, but that's on stupid Klinsmann.

Bayern miss Van Bommel badly.....

I would say the biggest mistake Bayern made was not to sell Ribery to Real Madrid. But I must say I'm not sure about how the people in charge like to spend on the squad just like Arsenal.....

You are full of **** on everything that you said.

You are full of **** on everything that you said.

Care to correct me?

Van Bommel is missed? Are you ******* serious? Tell me how he would have added anything yesterday. And Ribery to Madrid because it would have helped Bayern is stupid; as good as Muller is, Ribery offers something flashy and unpredictable. Only a few players in the world can do what he can.

Van Bommel is missed? Are you ******* serious? Tell me how he would have added anything yesterday. And Ribery to Madrid because it would have helped Bayern is stupid; as good as Muller is, Ribery offers something flashy and unpredictable. Only a few players in the world can do what he can.

Bayern lack leadership. Van Bommel might not be the most talented but he certainly had the character and spirit to "lead" and "protect". Beckenbauer was saying the same thing. He "could" have kept the players focused and lead them to make something out of the game.

Ribery is an awesome player but the thing is a "team" would be much more healthy with collective strength. Bayern is too dependent on Ribery and Robben. Obviously everything doesn't go through them but very dependent and they aren't available always.

Thats just my opinion so I may not be correct. Its just how I feel.

You are not correct.

You are not correct.

Haha ok man fine.

I don't think it has anything to do with leadership, Bayern is one of those teams which always have championship character.

I don't think it has anything to do with leadership, Bayern is one of those teams which always have championship character.

true; guys, we only missed one match 4 now, to early to make a process to the players and the coach or the management, poet sure with van Bommel it didnt change nothing, its not only the trouble of one player but all the team sucked last sunday......

WOW, what a match, Deutschland-Brazil 3:2(Y)

With OUR captain captain of Germany!!!!!!!

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Neymar who? Gotze played really well, he has a real bright future. I think he deserves first team play.

Neymar who? Gotze played really well, he has a real bright future. I think he deserves first team play.

ja, he's great! Shame he dont play with Bayern:rolleyes:

This IS 4 u Nim, Klinsi after the goal of Rogers yesterday USA-Mexico 1-1(Y):

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So, Bundesliga, day 2 wir fahren nach Wolfsburg, very hard expecially playing the same that on Last sunday, probably starting line:

NEUER

RAFINHA-BOATENG-BADS-LAHM

TYMO-SCHWEINI

ROB-MÜLLER-RIB

GOMEZ

ja, he's great! Shame he dont play with Bayern:rolleyes:

I don't think he fits well in Bayern system which is mostly about wing play.

I don't think he fits well in Bayern system which is mostly about wing play.

think this:

ROBBEN-GÖTZE-RIBERY

GOMEZ

how about muller? he's very good player as well your best player in WC 2010.

how about muller? he's very good player as well your best player in WC 2010.

Müller is ok but if we'd wish Götze we'd gotta play anyway only 11 vs 11.....:-)

This:

Muller
Ribery-Gotze-Robben

Ridiculous. I think Germany might experiment with Muller or Schurrle up top too. Everyone was saying that Gomez was just getting in the way.

This:

Muller
Ribery-Gotze-Robben

Ridiculous. I think Germany might experiment with Muller or Schurrle up top too. Everyone was saying that Gomez was just getting in the way.

Germany will be world champion 2014, remember my words dude(Y)

This made me really, really, really sad. Fantastic article, mostly dealing with Gomez, but also Bayern's conservatism in general.

http://bundesligafanatic.com/?p=5320

This made me really, really, really sad. Fantastic article, mostly dealing with Gomez, but also Bayern's conservatism in general.

http://bundesligafanatic.com/?p=5320

really good and true article......:clapwap:

great article.

what so strange, Robben injured.......ma vaffanculo! tomorrow we'll miss too Breno and Contento........:confused::Devil::read:

What!??! That Holland-England friendly even got canceled!! SON OF A BITCH!!!!

Why the **** do these dutch players get injured all the time? Robben,Sneijder,Van Persie and Van Der Vaart. 4 most talented dutch players...3 of them no.10s....3 of them left footed....ALL OF THEM INJURED

What!??! That Holland-England friendly even got canceled!! SON OF A BITCH!!!!uh, where have you been?

He means: why is Robben injured after international duty if he didn't play?!

reading out of context is more fun ...

Why the **** do these dutch players get injured all the time? Robben,Sneijder,Van Persie and Van Der Vaart. 4 most talented dutch players...3 of them no.10s....3 of them left footed....ALL OF THEM INJURED

Not only these 4. Cocu, Overmars or De Boer for example were always injured, Dutch are also prone to get bald.

Not only these 4. Cocu, Overmars or De Boer for example were always injured, Dutch are also prone to get bald.

I can imagine what the hell these guys could have done in their careers without all those bad injuries, expecially Marc Overmars, one of the best 5 top players of the last 20 years, same 4 Robben and Rafa vd Vaart, and as u say Cocu or De Boer, why players from Netherlands are so fragile????:blush:

Bad luck. If you want to read into it then say the Dutch development is based too much on technique and awareness and not enough time is spent in the gym. Doubtful if that would be true though.

Not only these 4. Cocu, Overmars or De Boer for example were always injured, Dutch are also prone to get bald.

Haha yeah they lose hair like anything

Bad luck. If you want to read into it then say the Dutch development is based too much on technique and awareness and not enough time is spent in the gym. Doubtful if that would be true though.

Yeah I also remember reading that somewhere. I hate it when Robben and RvP get injured. They are so ******* talented.

I didn't read it anywhere, I was simply saying that if you wanted a superficial excuse that could be true, and seems like it might be true, but there is no evidence for it being true, that is what you would go with.

I didn't read it anywhere, I was simply saying that if you wanted a superficial excuse that could be true, and seems like it might be true, but there is no evidence for it being true, that is what you would go with.

I did actually read it somewhere. I googled it out of curiosity. It was a long time back. There was some article saying they concentrate heavily on technique but avoid the physical stuff. This also is a cause of the defenders being ****e at defending but being better while attacking. Don't know if its true but I certainly read something like that.

Anyway no dutch players today on the field, this is it:

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Bayern Dusel (H)

1-0

'90 Luis Gustavo

we had "culo"........:rolleyes:

I thought Ribery looked really good, and I really enjoyed Schweinsteiger rampaging forward at times. The defense looked solid, Rafinha looks like another Lahm to me, Neuer was good. Luis Gustavo is a really strong dude and allows Schweini to get forward, which is good.

Gomez though... he needs to start scoring, because if he can't score he is of absolutely no use at all. Gets in the way. Gomez is the problem.

Call me crazy, but I'd say Berbatov would make a nice, temporsry alternative for the ST spot, and could come cheap in January or next season.

That or just buy whichever striker Germany use, I'm hearing the name Schurrle a lot.

The problem is that Gomez was arguably the best player in the Bundesliga last year and our most important with all his goals. He also cost like 35m Euros, so dumping him and then spending all that cash on Berbatov for 2 years would be poor management. But if United wanted Gomez and offered 10m + Berbatov obviously I'd take that in an instant. What we really need is for a club like Juventus to take an interest in him, but then you have the problem outlined in the article above about the inherent conservatism at FCB. The old German guys feel safe with a big #9 up top.

EDIT: Andre Schurrle is fantastic, but he's also not the kind of guy you can count on for consistent goals. I know they would be spread around, and Robben will grab a ton, but I'd still feel better if our striker could be counted on to score. Schurrle is too young, not really a great finisher IMO. To take over the left wing for Podolski for the German National Team... absolutely. Alone up top for Bayern... ehhhh. That's why Berbatov would be so perfect.

I thought Ribery looked really good, and I really enjoyed Schweinsteiger rampaging forward at times. The defense looked solid, Rafinha looks like another Lahm to me, Neuer was good. Luis Gustavo is a really strong dude and allows Schweini to get forward, which is good.

Gomez though... he needs to start scoring, because if he can't score he is of absolutely no use at all. Gets in the way. Gomez is the problem.

C'mon man, he scored 40 goals last season, how many players did that?

it was just the second match, give that fellow some time.

YOU said that article Dan posted was good, but did you actually read it?

The point being made is that Gomez is assured of scoring goals because he's the focal point of the tactic, but in doing so disrupts the rest of the team.

If Van Persie ever(I wish this never ever happens) had to leave Arsenal i hope it is Bayern,Milan or Roma. At least he would have the colour red on him and he deserves a few titles......

RvP would be like a dream, but it will still never happen unless some stupid club gives us a godfather offer for Gomez, and I don't see it happening. Maybe if Carroll broke his leg off Liverpool might, or like a Russian club, or I could see Juventus/Inter. In fact, now that Eto'o is leaving, if the goals are hard to come by for Inter in the first half, that might be our best bet.

YOU said that article Dan posted was good, but did you actually read it?

The point being made is that Gomez is assured of scoring goals because he's the focal point of the tactic, but in doing so disrupts the rest of the team.

The article was good but you can not omit Gomez base on that or few lackluster performance, he had a great record last year.

Yeah, but we also didn't win anything with him. Olic was the striker in 2010 and we nearly won everything.

another hat trick for Huntelaar, he scored 7 in 3 matches this year. Schalke won 5-1

Dortmund were defeated, I guess their key players were tired.

RvP would be like a dream, but it will still never happen unless some stupid club gives us a godfather offer for Gomez, and I don't see it happening. Maybe if Carroll broke his leg off Liverpool might, or like a Russian club, or I could see Juventus/Inter. In fact, now that Eto'o is leaving, if the goals are hard to come by for Inter in the first half, that might be our best bet.

You never know it could happen as he got linked to Bayern before. But just rumours.

HAHA lol yeah Liverpool like paying stupid money for route#1 footballers.

BDW congrats for the win to you and Paolo. The goal would boost Gustavo's confidence and his mates will get a little confident about him(Y)

I thought Ribery looked really good, and I really enjoyed Schweinsteiger rampaging forward at times. The defense looked solid, Rafinha looks like another Lahm to me, Neuer was good. Luis Gustavo is a really strong dude and allows Schweini to get forward, which is good.

Gomez though... he needs to start scoring, because if he can't score he is of absolutely no use at all. Gets in the way. Gomez is the problem.

I've seen another match dude? The game has been fighted ok, we created some little chances, Wolfsburg too but beide teams played bad football, Gomez is so lonely in attack and he didnt touch half ball, Ribery running 93 minutes but in empty spaces, only the defence has been ok, try pagelle:

NEUER 6,5
RAFINHA 6
BOATENG 7
BADS 6,5
LAHM 6,5
L.GUSTAVO 6
SCHWEINI 5,5
MÜLLER 5
KROOS 5
RIBERY 5,5
GOMEZ 5

USAMI 0
OLIC -
V.BUYTEN -

You never know it could happen as he got linked to Bayern before. But just rumours.

HAHA lol yeah Liverpool like paying stupid money for route#1 footballers.

BDW congrats for the win to you and Paolo. The goal would boost Gustavo's confidence and his mates will get a little confident about him(Y)

TX DUDE!!!We had luck to score in the extratime......(Y)(Y)(Y)

@Paolo- welcome :D

BDW who is this Traesch(sorry not sure of spelling). He looks solid and reminds a bit of Ballack. Very bright future ahead.

@Paolo- welcome :D

BDW who is this Traesch(sorry not sure of spelling). He looks solid and reminds a bit of Ballack. Very bright future ahead.

Christian Träsch is a really good player, he's still 23 old (24 on the 1st of september), at the beginning he played RB in Stuttgart, then he switches in the center or on the wings, always with Stuttgart, Wolfsburg get him some days ago for 10 millions €, consider he's a national player and played the match Germany-Brazil 3:2 from the beginning close to Schweinsteiger als CM, he's very very good and he has a big future in his hands........

.........anyway today I prefere Luiz Gustavo.........(Y)(Y)(Y):-)

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Van Persie wouldnt fit. He needs space like normally Gomez also does. And space is the one thing you dont have as a striker playing for Bayern and the current system. We would have to play much faster offensively, to create space for the strikers, like Dortmund does sometimes. It took Gomez about a year to get used to that, still he has to struggle. About Berbatov i dont even say a thing.

About todays game, im really happy for Gustavo, for me hes one of the best sixers in the world and im sure, Bayern will profit a lot from that guy.

Sure its Gustavo's day obviously. This Traesch guy strikes me as a future captain and good to see Kroos coming good. Fantastic group of players Germany have......jealous Oranje fan.....:blush:

(Y)(Y)(Y)

I think Schweinsteiger is your best player at the moment. He is good in both defense and attack. I hope Gustavo or Kroos can complement him well this season.

He has around 90 caps at the age of 27. Thanks to van gaal, he identified his true position and talent.

I think Schweinsteiger is your best player at the moment.

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About todays game, im really happy for Gustavo, for me hes one of the best sixers in the world and im sure, Bayern will profit a lot from that guy.

Yeah I agree. I'm at this point where I would love to see Schweinsteiger and Kroos together like they did for Germany this week, but Gustavo is so important and talented that I just don't think we should do it. Schweinsteiger put on a show at the beginning of the second half, flying everywhere on the pitch, up both flanks, as the most advanced player at times... he's able to do that because Gustavo is such a special DM talent.

Trasch I'm not a fan of TBH. Think he's merely above-average/average. Wolfsburg/Stuttgart kind of player, never for a top club.

Tx LUIZ!!!!!!!

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....but exultating in the face of Magath has no price lol....

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he's exploding.

That small kid celebration is priceless.

EDIT: Btw, What you guys think of Badstuber-Boateng partnership yesterday?

he's exploding.

That small kid celebration is priceless.

EDIT: Btw, What you guys think of Badstuber-Boateng partnership yesterday?

Bads-Boateng partnership seems perfect now, and we are better on defence after the disgracy van Gaal but in the last 2 years we played another kind of football, ball possession and always on attack but we sucked too much on defence cause van Gaal dont consider that football is defending too, hope this season we'll win a trophy but very very hard I think.....

Breno is linked to Spartak Moskau, why? Every big team has almost 4 CB's, we not? Nerlinger sayd some days ago that the transfermarket for us is closed in entry.......:blush:

I think its pretty far from perfekt. Lets say improvable.

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Funny. (Y)

I think its pretty far from perfekt. Lets say improvable.

na ja, improvable but yesterday perfect....:rolleyes:

So we're back, playoffs CL with Zurich, easy or not easy? Keine Frage we have only to win this match, all fits except Breno......

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Very easy. Lahm says 2-0, I agree.

Very easy. Lahm says 2-0, I agree.

Never consider easy a football match my friend, Lahm says 2-0? So I wish almost 4.......(Y)

Nim, the hour is 8:45 pm hope u can follow the match in the USA.......:-)

I'll be at work. If the second leg is next Tuesday, which is how these things usually work, I'll be able to see that.

all key players are fit for this match so Bayern should do well.

Gustavo deserves the starting call.

all key players are fit for this match so Bayern should do well.

Gustavo deserves the starting call.

ok but we have to let Tymoschuk play some match.......

I'll be at work. If the second leg is next Tuesday, which is how these things usually work, I'll be able to see that.

ja, second leg in on tuesday at the same hour

Very easy. Lahm says 2-0, I agree.

is he Nostradamus? (Y)

great goal by Robben, somehow similar to Villa's goal.

Gomez played better and I think he was unlucky.

I expected a better pace from Bayern (especially Robben-Ribbery). It seems they are not 100% yet.

Second clean sheet in a row for Mr. Neuer.

2-0, so and so match, we always in attack with many chances but only 2 goals, Gomez seemed to play as defender of Zürich tonight, they did nothing but repeat we miss too much chances, Lahm had reason.....:rolleyes:

the team played well, a beautiful goal from Robben and Gomez missed many goals

the team played well, a beautiful goal from Robben and Gomez missed many goals

we have to get better and realize the chances we create.......:blush:

Bundesliga day 3, FC Bayern-HSV, we cant miss this time.........

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Muller on bench again?

maybe....

he's much better than Kroos + he can makes more chances and space for rusty Gomez.

Klose scored for Lazio, they won 6-0.
We barely saw best of him in Bayern's shirt.

Is Hamburg preparing to get relegated or something? Is this dude from Chelsea bringing in all the youth failures with him to prove everyone he was right?

Muller changed the game when he came on because he's just so smart with his runs and opening up space. Honestly, the front 4 should be Gomez(or Olic, that's fine)/Muller/Ribery/Robben, and then based on the opponent it should be either Kroos or Gustavo next to Schweinsteiger. Kroos looked really good next to Schwein in that game against Brazil, and at home he's only going to help crack open a team who parks the bus. A team like Hamburg for instance.

Is Hamburg preparing to get relegated or something? Is this dude from Chelsea bringing in all the youth failures with him to prove everyone he was right?

no, Hamburg is a good team, they'll do a kind of championship til the 5th /6th place, u talk about Mancienne, really dont know.....

kp, Klose in 4 years with us scored 12 goals, with Lazio he has a team who plays 4 him, sure he can do great things.......

Muller changed the game when he came on because he's just so smart with his runs and opening up space. Honestly, the front 4 should be Gomez(or Olic, that's fine)/Muller/Ribery/Robben, and then based on the opponent it should be either Kroos or Gustavo next to Schweinsteiger. Kroos looked really good next to Schwein in that game against Brazil, and at home he's only going to help crack open a team who parks the bus. A team like Hamburg for instance.

we need to play with Müller, ja, and Kroos could play close to Schweini too but he's the 1st choice in attacking midfield after Müller, why dont we try only 4 a game Robben at left and Rib at right? And give a chance to Tymo and Olic......

Robben on the left takes away his best weapon. Absolutely not.

Robben on the left takes away his best weapon. Absolutely not.

Nim, did u ever see Rob on the left? I watched some games when he was with Chelsea or Real, absolutely einer Traum......:-)

Yes and he was good of course, but I didn't see him score many goals. Right now he has 28 goals in 38 Bundesliga matches for us. That's what strikers get. Good strikers. I don't see what benefit we get from putting him on the left... better crosses for Gomez as we tailor our offense even more to 1 idea?

no, Hamburg is a good team, they'll do a kind of championship til the 5th /6th place, u talk about Mancienne, really dont know.....

No, I'm talking about the new Sporting Director.

I know Hamburg have a good team but there are holes and they don't seem to want to fill them.

Then this dude from Chelsea brought former Chelsea youngsters to play them in important positions. They sold there right sided mids and bought a youngster. Same for central defense ( although I like Dutch Bruma )

No, I'm talking about the new Sporting Director.

I know Hamburg have a good team but there are holes and they don't seem to want to fill them.

Then this dude from Chelsea brought former Chelsea youngsters to play them in important positions. They sold there right sided mids and bought a youngster. Same for central defense ( although I like Dutch Bruma )

I haven't seen Hamburg play, but I highly doubt Tore and Sala are starters. That said, they have a lot of talent, and I expect them both to become at the least, decent squad players for midtable teams at some big league.

Mancienne is a decent versatile defender, he's a utility player and I dunno how good Hamburg are ight now, but he'd make a good player for a bottom table English team, so any midtable team would be a good fit for him as a bench player.

And Bruma got talent bitch, I expect him to play well these 2 seasons and then comke and stake a starting spot at Chelsea.

Looks like there is another competition for Bayern, Kahn, Lahm and Schweinsteiger are heavily involved.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/08/19/2626315/lahm-schweinsteiger-dont-believe-in-leadership-kahn-is-a

No, I'm talking about the new Sporting Director.

I know Hamburg have a good team but there are holes and they don't seem to want to fill them.

Then this dude from Chelsea brought former Chelsea youngsters to play them in important positions. They sold there right sided mids and bought a youngster. Same for central defense ( although I like Dutch Bruma )

ah ok, sincerely dont know my friend........:-)