Hmm, I wonder why you hate the French team? Like a club team? I hope you don't mean that pathetic argument you were pedling in the post about the dropped English players. Your view is disgusting - and so is using the term "gay" as an insult. Anyubody not know what I'm talking about check this guy's previous posts.

Face it blacks are not french, they are african. They should be playing for african countries not european. They are a disgrace to the game. All they care about is winning a trophy, they are sell outs to their countries and their people. George Weah is a real man. He played for Liberia even though they had no chance of ever going to a world cup. He could have played for france but he knew it was wrong. I know many people here will disagree with me because they are so brainwashed but honestly I really dont care. I know many people who agree with me.

P.S. Go to hell France

assius,
You have some serious issues my friend, you better get with the times because this is the 21st century and your way of thinking is very dated and, to some, very offensive.

assius....

according to your thinking that means that Australia's players should all be playing for their native countries.....

your argument is so stupid so just shutup because nobody here is taking you seriously...

Anelka was born is France
Henry was born in France
Wiltord was born in France
Lama was born in France
Thuram was born in France

Desailly and Viera moved to France when they were very young.

So shut your ass up

For me it is definitely France. I really hate them. Frances team is more like a club team than a national team. Go Denmark, and I hope the Czechs kick some gay french ass.

P.S. Go to hell France

Here are some interesting facts about the lame french team.

Lama is Born in Guyana, nor France. Guyana has their own national team, so why didnt he play for them?? Because he is a greedy sell out.

Karembeu was born in New Caledonia!

Viera was born in Senegal!They have a national team.

Trezeguet is from Argentina!

Boghossian and Djorkaeff are from Armenia!

Desailly is born in Ghana!

Zidane is Algerian.

This is common sense people. France is lame, face it. They are a bunch of sell outs.

France are the world champions!!!!!!!BUT THEY WILL NOT WIN THE EURO!! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

To those that are tired of seeing these stupid and senseless posts, I call for a petition to remove ASSius. Anyone who insists on race and color to be factors as to who can play where truly is an @ss.

Again I ask this bastard, WHO DEFINED ON WHAT PART OF THE WORLD A RACE OR COLOR SHOULD EXIST ? No one has. Only imbeciles who believe that because a certain people are more abundant in a part of the world, only that kind should exist there.

I think you may just be jealous of these players. Maybe when you lived in L.A. more Black and Latino players got positions rather than yourself, if you have ever tried out for a team.

You seriously need to grow up and leave your racist comments at home. They're getting old by now and no one is taking them seriously.

KappA

"All they care about is winning a trophy"

Duh, erm what do you think the point of football is?

"...they are so brainwashed"

WOW!!! That's what the Nazis said about those fighting for the allies!

"I know many people who agree with me"

Nobody in their right mind.

"P.S. Go to hell France"

P.S. Go to hell Assius, and take your lame-brained views with you. I've taken your view to pieces in your previous post - tell me if you want it repeated, most people here are only too happy to prove you wrong.

P.P.S I can't wait to see the native American USA XI in their next match, oh no - Native Americans originally came from Asia 10,000 years ago! What a disgrace! Why don't they go play for Japan or something!

Schumacher, you say winning a trophy is all the matters, will what about all the kids who come from places like Ghana and Suriname. They will probably never see their team make it to the world cup, they could though if their good players whould choose to play for them and not other countries.
Another thing, before calling me a racist, you might want to learn the definition of the word. It is someone who thinks his own race is superior. When did I ever say whites were superior. I never did. Therefore your argument is quit lame.
Let me ask this question once again. For those of you that are English, if England fielded an all black team, are you telling me that it wouldnt you bother you at all???

Okay Assius - look here, here is the dictionary definition of racism -

1.The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2.Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Sure, you're clear on number one, but on number two? Tell me what you think - England shouldn't field any black players. Okay, why do you think England shouldn't field them? Because they are black. Even though they have lived in England all their lives. Therefore you would not field players because you do not believe that their skin colour is that of their country, discriminating against them because of THE COLOUR OF THEIR SKIN! This makes you racist be definition two. Answer me this - who SHOULD Ince, Campbell, Dyer, Heskey and co play for?
Onto your other point, about the trophies. Fair enough, kids from Ghana etc play for pride. But, why can't players like Desailly and Trezeguet do the same? Sure they were born in Africa, but their parents were French, even if it wasn't by birth. They were brought up with French ideas and attitudes, and speak the French language. That makes them French!
If you follow your argument back to it's route it makes no sense. How far do you go back to define what race a person is?
You are sadly wrong, and need some help, my friend. Oh, and if England fielded an all Black team I wouldn't care - if they were the best team available!

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We'll wipe the french out... all of them, whahaha

Most people hate France because their teams simply don't have great players like Zidane, Thuram and Blanc.
You hear that England???

Tru Dat, why would you "HATE" any teams? Damn, cuz of political reasons? I don't think the players on the field think about politics while they play.

Schumacher: (and others) Don´t waste your time discussing with idiots. Do as I usually do when a post hits these kinds of "arguments"; don´t react at all. I understand what you say and I do take action against it in real life, but on this forum I usually choose to ignore these idiots. We all know who they are and we all know that for people to think like that, something has to be wrong with them. Another prove that working a computer nowadays requires no intelligence whatsoever....

I hate France too. I hate everything french(well not hate, dislike). It was nice to see a fresh face win the World Cup though. I like Holland if they would play good with the right team. I just don't like any of France's players very well, especially Anelka-everyone knows this wankers story.

Check this out dumb Assius!
"Lama is Born in Guyana, nor France. Guyana has their own national team, so why didnt he play for them?? Because he is a greedy sell out."
Wrong. French guyana is not a country but a French colony and has no national team but the French team..

"Karembeu was born in New Caledonia!"
Same scenario, New Caledonia is not a country but a colony and as no national team but the French team.

"Viera was born in Senegal!They have a national team."
He moved to France when he was young.

"Trezeguet is from Argentina!"
His mam is French.

"Boghossian and Djorkaeff are from Armenia!"
So are a lot of French people. France, any country by that matter, has been populated by imigrants. That his part of Humanity. And Youri's dad was already playing for France.

Desailly is born in Ghana!
Yep. But where did he get a name like that? He's got to have some French blood along the line.

"Zidane is Algerian."
Again, a lot of French people are from Algeria. Some got kicked out from Algeria when Algeria became independant. And he was born in Marseille.

So, I tell you what, why don't you swap your "Mein Kampf" for a good history book for once..
I just hope not all the English people are like you because it would be such a sad country.

Battiston, I agree with everything you said, well, nearly evrything - the fact is that Assius is American not English! I'm English and as we saw in the David Beckham incident there are some idiots here - but Assius is a pure American idiot! (And I'm English, and not racist, along with most British people.)

I dont mind France.I hate England cause they always think that they are going to win every tournament but always gets their ass kicked .I hate Brazil ,they are Italy's rivals ,but i respect them though ,I used to hate Germany ,but now they suck so i dont really hate them now ,I hate Holland cause they are way too overrated ,but people are blind to see that .

I don't think 'they' as in the fans truly believe they will win any tournaments they have competed in since the '70 World Cup. The newspapers, particularly the tabloids, whip up this fever of hope in people, getting 'big football names' to say how great England's chances are, before writing off the entire team when they don't live up to the paper's stratospheric expectations. As an England fan myself, I usually feel a bit down after England lose a big game, but I didn't get that after the Portugal game, probably because I'd been bracing myself for a 3-0er all week so the 3-2 was a pleasant surprise. I think England can get out of their group, but win it? Don't be daft. I will sob uncontrollably into my beer should we lose against Germany though...

Holy cow.....assius is American,.... say it ain't so!

assius, my misguided friend: by your "logic" (a torture of that term, I'm sure), what kind of team would the U.S.of A. put on a field of play.... in any sport????

Even baseball, lets see...well, we could not use Greg Maddux, Roger Clemens, David Cone etc..on the mound because they are of European ancestry...humh...how about Randy Johnson...no he's got Scandanavian roots, damn... Well, move on to catcher...how about Mike Piazza...ooops he's got Italian roots. Mike Lieberthal...ooops European too...humh...O.K. Lets try 1B... Bagwell, Olerud, Mc Gwire...No they're all European...Aha,..Mo Vaughan...ooops he has African roots...Palmeiro...no-Cuban....


Get the point.....!

assius , all you need is love, its seems like
you haven't got so much of that in your life, since you hate some people so much.
learn to love, life and other people no matter what kind of seksueal orientension ,black or white people. Life is to short and wonderful to waist time going on hate other people.

Ricococo.

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ACTUALLY, Battiston,

Wrong! Oh by the way, it's spelled French Guiana, and they are NOT a colony but a nation. man, are you up to date or what? i would've though you lived during the late 1800s. look man, there's no such thing as colonies anymore. islands that are dominated by another nation (which is VERY rare, such as Guam or something) aren't called colonies, but something nicer. and if i remember correctly, French Guiana does have its own national team. so does surinam and guyana. don't quote me on that though.

viera might have moved to france when he was young but that doesn't change anything. i moved to turkey when i was young, but i'm not turkish. my friend moved there when he was 11 months, but he considers himself spanish.

a lot of african people have french names, but that's because of the french influence. it doesn't necessary mean they have french blood.

your explanations for boghossian and djorkaeff and zidane are also a little spotty and amateuristic, but whatever.

hey, i'm not trying to oppose you or anything, i'm not on assius's side, i just wanted to point out your errors in your argument.

You took the words right out of my mouth Gshakan.

Your comments are moronic battiston. You think Desailly has some french blood in him. What are you smoking??? Have you even seen the guy?? The guy is as black as you get.
As far as some of the players moving to france when they were young, who cares? Their roots still come from the place they left.
By the way why are guys so paranoid. When did I ever say whites were better than blacks or anything like that. All I am saying is that European teams should consist of Europeans, which means white players. Why do you think blacks are called africans, because they are from africa not europe. You really cannot argue that I am racist against blacks because following that logic, I must be racist against whites since I think they should not play for african countries.
What will happen if one day all the national teams consist of different races and nationalities. There will be no difference between them and club teams. Eventually there will be no difference between the England team and a club team like Chelsea. Think about that before automatically discounting my argument.

Assius:

No, your comments are moronic. You still don't seem to understand that no matter what you think, there isn't a definition of what color belongs to what part of the world. Humans spread to all parts of the globe. A nationality is just a label, not something that is found in the f*cking blood !

Man that last thing just really pissed me off !!! How stupid are you ? How stupid can anyone get ?!!! How stupid and insane were your parents to have even THOUGHT of conceiving you ? How can anyone actually be convinced that a nationality is something that is part of oneself ? Man I really feel like bashing you right now.

You are a disgrace to humanity ! And so incredibly unintelligent that it is sickening ! I wish those that you have insulted could actually READ what you say ! You coward, I bet you would sh*t your pants if you even faced a black man that has read your comments. But enough is enough. I know you're a loser. I'm going to do everything possible to get you banned from this forum.

KappA

kappa

"You are a disgrace to humanity ! And so incredibly unintelligent that it is sickening !"

Haha, someone who spends half his message name calling says I am unintelligent.

"I wish those that you have insulted could actually READ what you say ! You coward, I bet you would sh*t your pants if you even faced a black man that has read your comments."

Actually I have told my opinion to many black people who I know and many of them agree with me. A few disagree but they certainly aren't offended by it.

"I know you're a loser. I'm going to do everything possible to get you banned from this forum."

Why? because we have different opinions. Well, welcome to the real world, not everyone thinks alike. Deal with it. If you disagree with my opinion, fine, but that doesn't meen I don't have a right to share it. That is what a message board is for ya know.

Scary. Sad. Sighhhhhh...

I "hate" this topic.

What the hell is this sh*t turning in to?

I hope those damn French lose to the Czech rep, but theyr'e so good

I hate those damn Yugoslavs and English and Turks.

Do us a favour, England and Turkey should not progress to the quater-finals, don't ruin the tournament for the rest of us.

Ok, you want to point fingers at me because I brought to your attention what you really are ?

At least I don't have to resort to posting about "hating" a group of people just because their national team will always play at a higher level than my own. Oh, that and calling them "gay."

You have no life whatsoever. Grow up already and stop posting your stupid, senseless comments. You obviously have nothing better to do.

KappA

You hate the yugoslavs Daniel??? Maybe I hate you, you fag. You are lucky we are over the internet if you were to say that to my face, you would be walking without arms and legs. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/mad.gif

kappa

You think my comments are stupid and senseless??? So what? I think the same about yours.

"You have no life whatsoever. Grow up already and stop posting your stupid, senseless comments. You obviously have nothing better to do."

Once again, I can say the same about you.

At least some of the other posters who disagreed with me try to bring up facts to back them up. You have none, all you post is childish name calling. You are the one who needs to grow up.

"At least I don't have to resort to posting about "hating" a group of people just because their national team will always play at a higher level than my own"

Actually I support Italy since my parents are Italian. Italy has won 3 world cups last I looked. How many has france won, just 1 and that was only because they were playing at home. So it looks like my national team actually has played at a higher level than frances. Also, my team actually consists of real Italians. The pathetic french on the other hand can only win games by importing players because they aren't good enough to win on their own.

ASSius:

I don't need to bring up any evidence to back up my arguments because the evidence is present: it's called migration. People have migrated to all parts of the globe throughout time. If you haven't noticed that yet, then you're obviously lost.

And isn't it great that just because your parents are Italian, you have decided to support that national team ? LoL It's all about convenience right ? You were born in the U.S., that makes you an American citizen. You grew up on American soil; you didn't have to grow up like they do in Italy. And it's a lot different little boy. They don't share the same benefits that do Americans, and they have a different set of values as well.

You're such a waste of time. I can't believe that someone would actually be pigheaded enough to so strongly pursue labels and attempt to "define" what color belongs to what region of the globe. "Europeans means white." So what do you consider yourself ? Your parents are European, since they are Italian. But the majority of Italians are not white, but similar to Hispanics, brown/tan skinned. So wait...according to you, they don't belong in Europe do they ? Because they're not white ? Is that why they came to the U.S. instead ? Dammit, why don't you go back to Italy ! You don't belong here !

You see now how senseless your arguments are ? Or will you continue to be blind and fail to appreciate all cultures as they are, regardless of where they are located ? Probably not, but then again, you won't make it in the real world. I'd love to see a black president soon in the United States. I'd like to see what you have to say then. "He doesn't belong here." And what black people are you talking to that agree with your stupid arguments ? I bet you haven't gone down to the ghettoes of L.A. to tell blacks there about what you think of them. Because according to you, they don't belong there. They don't represent the United States. Natives do, not them, not you right ? And we come back to the argument as to what the hell you are doing in the U.S. as well. Oh and about name calling...I never called you anything ! I merely labeled your comments as stupid and senseless. If that offended you, then there must have been truth to my claims. And sorry, I am not the one that needs to grow up; I don't post childish topics like "what team do u hate the most in Euro 2000" Ughhhh...that's enough. I'm dropping this argument as I have now noticed that the ignorant can never be taught.

KappA

What are you smoking Kappa, Italians aren'
t white??? My family is pure Italian and they all have blue eyes and brown hair. Are you telling me that Totti, Toldo, Ambrosini, Del Piero, Fiore, Conte, Pesotto,pagliuca,etc... are not white??? Have you even been to Italy let alone seen an Italian. You are thinking of Southern Italians. Yes, they are dark, but most Italians look very white. The stereotypical italian is the southern italian. The fact is that most dont even look like them. Did you even graduate from high school?

How dare you insult KappA in that way! You are not just ignorant but rude as well. I have refrained from challenging your view but I can wait no longer. YOU have not answered those who ask about Black players on American teams. YOU refuse to accept that third generation blacks in Europe are European (even the facist British National Party accepts that!). YOU mentioned that blacks are called Africans for a reason. Why does the USA have AFRICAN-Americans on their teams and not playing for African countries. You are sadly misled.

I don't agree with assius in any way but i do agree that players should play for the country that THEY are born in, regardless of parentage.

The only thing that should be able to change that rule is if the child moved to a new country during the first say, 5/10 years of their life.

It is true that some players decide to play for teams because they believe themselves better than that national team. For example, Michael Owen was BORN in Wales and with a name like Owen, should be in the Welsh National team. However, he knew that he would get more recognition playing for England and did play for them.

Even though Ryan Giggs hardly plays for the Welsh National team, he still plays for his national team, where he was born and raised. He had the chance to play for England but he was man enough to stay with his roots.

The rule should be:

1. A player can only play for the National Team of the Country they were born in.

2. Unless, the player has been living in a country since a certain age. Say X yrs old.

3. Players cannot adopt the Nationality of ANY relatives. Only their own will count.


The reason I think this is because I do believe that lesser countries are developing far slower due to players playing for a different and more developed nation. If they stayed with the right nation, they would develop properly.

Nothing here to do with colour. If u are Black and born in a country, u play for THAT country. If u are white and are born in a country, u play for THAT country.

Anyone agree?

P.S. Assius, ur comments about Desailly are really quite criminal and if I was anywhere near you I would kick the living **** out of you, as would many.

First off, to answer your question ASSius, no I have not graduated from High School yet.

In fact I will be a senior next year, and I will not only be enrolled in honors and AP courses at my high school, but I will also be enrolled simultaneously in a post-secondary options program in a university here in my city. I will receive college and high school credit for the courses that I choose to take. I hope that answers your question =)

Indygo, I totally agree with you. I am most proud of people like George Weah, whom even though he knows that his nation will not play in the World Cup during his career, he still plays for them. Another good example is a player called Zaguinho in Mexico, who was born to Brazilian parents, but chose to represent Mexico because he was born in that nation.

I think it would definitely help those countries grow big in football if their players didn't move to other countries. I particularly do not like the way the U.S. has been recruiting these past years, but it seems that they have made more progress with their own youth players and are fielding more Americans thanks to "Project 40" (I think that's the name). By the way, what ever happened to David Regis ? Has he just vanished into obscurity ?

KappA

Shankan:
"Wrong! Oh by the way, it's spelled French Guiana, and they are NOT a colony but a nation."
No, brother. It is not a nation!!!! I use a colony to try to make you understand that it belongs 100% to France. But to be more accurate, Guyana is a Oversea "Departement" of France. There is no such thing of a French Guyanese Passport. All the people of Guyana are born French citizens.
And, no there is no French Guyana team.

As for Vieira, you may be right. But some how he decided to play for France and when he decided to play for France (Under 18 and 21) he didn't know that he would one day play for France(A) and win the world cup.

"a lot of african people have french names, but that's because of the french influence. it doesn't necessary mean they have french blood."
No man! They may have French surnames but no family names!! Such as Jacques Songo'o or George Weah. But, your family name is the one that you got from your parents and that shows that somewhere along the line, he's got French blood.

But anyway, France has always been a land where a lot of people immigrated (for the cheese I reckon http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif). and I don't know if you've ever been to France but there are a lot of immigrant in France (Blacks, arabs, east Europeans...) and after 1 generation, these people earn their French Nationality and lose their old one and become 100% French citizen. It is just fair that they want to play for the country they've lived all their lives.

Anyway, what the hell, who cares because at the end of the day, we'll win the Euro 2000 http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

I am seriously considering closing this thread.

However, I would like Assius to answer me this - what is your opinion of black players related to slaves who were taken to European countries in the 1600s? They have had French, English or whatever nationality in the family for nigh-on 400 years. The colour of someone's skin does not make someone a native of a certain country.

I sincerely believe that Assius is entitled to post his views here, however much I oppose them. Maybe we can all learn something from this. If you talk about football, you talk about nations and eventually about people, so somebody's pride is bound to be hurt someday. What worries me is that people are invited to react on who they HATE in this topic, not much good can come from that. Let me tell you this: football wouldn't be half as good to watch without a team that you can support all the way, and Euro 2000 happens to be about nations. But humanity started off as a small group of the same race and background in one small corner of the earth, and it will inevitably end as a very large group so mixed that no one will be able to tell someone's ethnical background anymore. No racism or bigotry can prevent this.
I agree with Duke: scary, sad, sigh etc., BUT: not to be ignored. The fact that people with different skin colours play for European countries sometimes originates in a colonial past, but also in the will to have a good chance of winning a trophy or two. It doesn't matter. In 5000 years from now, the best teams will still win even though nations no longer exist, and people will still find reasons to put each other down.
Enjoy the differences while you still can instead of bitching and arguing about them, or there might not be a 5000 years from now.
Can we now go back to talking about football?

Cheers & try the occassional smile now and then...


King Kenny.

I would say i agree with indygo. i think players should play for the nation they're born in. assius's arguement is pretty absurd cuz you can see it. i mean, just because black people look different from white people, they shouldn't play for european countries? what about the other people that migrated? it's called migration man. by your argument we should all be playing for tanzania, where man originated. it just makes no sense whatsoever. europe doesn't necessary mean black. where did you get that thought from?

the thing i don't support, again, is players who were born in a country and then they get another country's passport and they play for that country. they're sellouts. like there's that guy lopez or something on the japanese team and he's brazilian. what? uche and okocha i think are eligible to play for the turkish team, but they choose to play for the nigerian team cuz it's more successful.

and battiston, getting back to you, french guiana IS a country man. not that it's so important. obviously, there's a lot of influence from france, but it's officially a country and it's got its own flag, etc.... oh, and i DO think there is a national team for french guiana cuz i remember looking at a draw or results for a concacaf tournament, i think they were qualifying for the world cup, and i saw guyana, surinam, and french guiana in it, and i thought, why don't they play against the south american teams since they're in s. america instead of playing in the north american section. it's not that big of a deal i guess, but i do believe i'm right dude.

Sure, I might be biased on this one, being Norwegian and all, but it'll have to be Yugoslavia. They sabotaged the 2nd half yesterday. I mean, c'mon, not only did they get injured with every minor touch from a Norwegian player, they also used well over half a minute for every throw-in or goal kick. Not to mention the substitutions. I read somewhere that the official effective playing time of the 2nd half was 25 minutes! What's up with that? And the ref didn't add more than 4minutes! Is it just me, or is that close to insane?

Indyglo, NO!

What a mockery 'nationality' would be if everyone assumed the nationality of the country they were born in. Your parents nationality should have the major influence!

Example: Two English people have a kid and take a holiday in Outer Mongolia, where the woman gives birth to a baby boy, to be given the nationality of 'Mongolian'.

What a joke that would be!!!

What about people who travel around the world with their family because of work? They could have five kids all with different nationalities! Ridiculous!

If a family migrate, to Australia say, and give birth to further generations in that country, then maybe it would be reasonable to assume Australian nationality (if you wanted to of course). Otherwise it would be stupid.

As for that Mexican footballer with Brazilian parents, are you sure its not just that he can't get into the Brazil side and so decided "I'm a Mexican"?! If he was the best player in the world, perhaps he'd bring up his Brazilian background.

Also, about French-sounding African names. It's quite possible that these names were given to black slaves ages ago by the French (i.e. their real African names were dismissed). This is similar to the way blacks were forced to assume Christianity as their religion, as oppose to Islam.

it was on the japanese team, not the mexican team, which makes it even more absurd, because the japanese have much less in common with the brazilians than mexicans do.
but that's beside the point cuz that situation is just stupid by itself.

i think by your rule then, there should be a rule on how many generations it takes to become a certain nationality. because you have to have a solid rule. you can't just say if someone moved to a country for immigration purposes, then their children can be of that country, but if it's for work or travel, they can't.

Dazzle:

You're illiterate. Learn to read carefully BEFORE you criticize. He said that players should play for the country they are born in, if they decide to after 5 years of living in that country. [The only thing that should be able to change that rule is if the child moved to a new country during the first say, 5/10 years of their life.]

If their parents wish for them to assume that nationality, then he or she should.

Oh and this one is for you AND Gshakan09:

NOPE. His name was Zague. His dad was a famous Brazilian that spent many years playing for Club America in Mexico. This team is always criticized for bringing in too many foreign reinforcements, but now they are regulating their numbers. Anyway, his mother was Mexican, because he met her while living there, and they married. He grew up and COULD have attempted to play for Brazil, but why ? And he is as Mexican as the rest of the people on the squad. He also played for America for a while and then finished in Atlante, but he may possibly be still playing. He is 32 or 33 now. You are thinking of someone else.

KappA

i'm not talking about zague, or whoever you're talking about.

ok Gshakan09, since you cannot read, I am going to show you where you got mixed up.

First, I said:

"Indygo, I totally agree with you. I am most proud of people like George Weah, whom even though he knows that his nation will not play in the World Cup during his career, he still plays for them. Another good example is a player called Zaguinho in Mexico, who was born to Brazilian parents, but chose to represent Mexico because he was born in that nation."

Then, Dazzle said:
"As for that Mexican footballer with Brazilian parents, are you sure its not just that he can't get into the Brazil side and so decided "I'm a Mexican"?! If he was the best player in the world, perhaps he'd bring up his Brazilian background."

Then, you made the mistake of saying:
"it was on the japanese team, not the mexican team, which makes it even more absurd, because the japanese have much less in common with the brazilians than mexicans do."

You were thinking about when you said:
"the thing i don't support, again, is players who were born in a country and then they get another country's passport and they play for that country. they're sellouts. like there's that guy lopez or something on the japanese team and he's brazilian. what? uche and okocha i think are eligible to play for the turkish team, but they choose to play for the nigerian team cuz it's more successful."

Dazzle wasn't talking about your post, you idiot, he was talking about mine. Please learn to read. I liked you until you lost intelligence all of a sudden.

KappA

Dazzle, are you blind as well as dull?????


I said, unless a player moves out of the country within the first say X number of years of their life, they must assume that countries nationality.

In the case of some child being born with English parents in somewhere like Mongolia:

A http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gifIf that child lives in Mongolia for the first X number of years, he will become Mongolian. If the child returns to England or moves after that period, he is still Mongolian.

B http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gifIf the child moves within the first X number of years of their life, fair enough, it isn't their fault or choice and should be able to take on a new nationality.

C http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gifAs for travelling families, maybe some rule about HAVING to play for the country you have spent the MOST number of years of your life in should be put into place.

Finally, if you were born to English parents, but born in Wales and spend ur whole life in Wales, you ARE Welsh!!! Who gives a **** what Nationality ur parents are???? Are you ur parents??? No. U ARE WELSH!!!
(Or whatever Nationality, Wales is just used as an example, aherm Michael Owen aherm)

Yo Assius... YOU ARE A STUPID MORONIC RETARD ****HEAD GARBAGE PIECE OF **** RAT BASTARD... WHAT IF SOME OF THOSE BLACK PEOPLES PARENTS WERE BORN IN AFRICA AND MOVED TO FRANCE AND HAD A KID that grew up to be on the national team? Ur a stupid ****head that deserves to be banned from this forum for being too stupid... u said ur an Italian American living in America... So Am I.... Where were u born? If u were born in America would u rather play for the Italian or American national team and same way if u were born in Italy? We would have the right to play in either cuz our parents are Italian born so we could play for Italy and we were born in America (if u were) so we could play for America... Im glad Im not as stupid as u are... why u gotta judge players on the colors of their skins? LISTEN UP PEOPLE... IM AMERICAN BUT I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH HIM AND AGREE WITH YOU'S... I been trained in Italy for 3 years playing soccer and was raised watching Italian league, and all the european leagues and I must say... This guy ASSIUS is a disgrace to Americans like me!!

Shakan,
I have written to the fff (French Football federation) and asked if French Guyana has its own team and they replied that The French Guyanese team is the French national team. Guyanese teams play in the French Cup and it means that if one of them happen to win the French cup, they could play the European cup.
French guyana is not a nation like Brazil for example. It is not represented in the UN excepted by the French representant.

I will agree that if you are from a country that is entirely made up of immigrants such as America or Australia, then it is reasonable to have players of different nationalities and races. However France although it has had immigrants is not in the same situation. There are enough blood French to choose from rather than having to choose african and armenian players.

Btw, if it is ok for a national team to choose players who happen to have moved there when they were young, then I suppose it would be ok for a country like the U.S. to bring a bunch of Brasilian born kids over when they were young just so they U.S. team could use them later on. If every country follows the idiotic french, then eventually there will be no such thing as International Football! It will instead be basically the champions league with another name.

Shakan,
I have written to the fff (French Football federation) and asked if French Guyana has its own team and they replied that The French Guyanese team is the French national team. Guyanese teams play in the French Cup and it means that if one of them happen to win the French cup, they could play the European cup.
French guyana is not a nation like Brazil for example. It is not represented in the UN excepted by the French representant.