http://psx.ign.com/reviews/14428.html

IGN's review of ISS Pro Evolution. The day it was published I almost thrust my fist through my monitor in a mixture of anger, horror and disgust - which manifested itself in a not so nice email to Chris Carle (my friend wrote one to him as well which was hilarious).

Of course, now more than a year later, I just find it ****ing hilarious and shows how BS the mass media can be.

I LOVE these lines; "you have the chance to guide a bunch of made-up players through a single match, league or cup......You can also toggle player name calling on. But since these are a bunch of guys no one knows about, that is an exercise in futility."

:) I love that, more than a year on I hear this same argument - no official license. I guess Mr. Carle (and others) never did figure out who the hell Bekhem, Keen, and Coal were. Or what team was 'Manchester'?


For more laughs read Mr. Carle's review of ESPN MLS GameNight which is practically the same game; http://psx.ign.com/reviews/14661.html

Take care.

This really is some funny stuff. If you haven't read these reviews, please do and enjoy a good laugh.

Could you cut and paste your letter to Carle please?

I want to see what you wrote him.

I've come across this review some months back, I COULD NOT BELIVE IT !!

It's the only bad review I've ever seen, even KCEO games get better reviews. The NZ magazine rates it the best simulation of all time. EVER ! 10/10 for both ISS PRO2 and ISS Pro Evo.

Who are these ****ing reviewers ? LOL they are paid by EA or something?

ISS has previously been all about gameplay, but this time out, it seems completely forgotten. The controls are unresponsive and difficult to master. That is, when you can assume control. Pro Evolution follows a disturbing trend in soccer games: automatic player switching. When on defense, the computer selects the player you control. It always selects the player closest to the ball, eliminating the possibility of cutting the angle to the goal with a further-off player.

That is unnerving enough, but set plays are twice as bad. There is no arrow or other directional demarcation to show where a throw-in, corner kick or goal kick is going. You just have to point the front of your player at a general area and release. This takes the advantage away from such plays, which is a sin.


This guy is a fecking idiot.

Controls are weak, the game plays slow and feels unnatural.

This guy is a ****ing idiotic biatch !

While in PE defenders and goaltenders were easy to smoke, the players in Gamenight hold the line much better, no matter what the difficulty is set to.


goaltender???? What a joke, this guy's never, ever seen a real soccer match, I'll bet a weeks pay on that.

"While in PE defenders and goaltenders were easy to smoke, the players in Gamenight hold the line much better, no matter what the difficulty is set to."


I didn't even notice that! Damn, that I guess that "goaltender" bit says it all about that review.

This is what happens when a Q3 player writes a review on a football game...:rolleyes:

Nothing wrong with Q3 players, but most of them are not soccer players/gamers

A 'goaltender' ??? he thinks it's basketball or something? LOL

ice hockey :rolleyes:

yuhhh canadians....

hehehe but the funny thing is that same page ign.com a month ago or something gave us a preview of the upcoming PES game for PS2 where he practually was cheering the game.

Simply i think Ign.com now have changed the reviewer for the Pro Evolution Soccer games ;)

Originally posted by bulldrig
hehehe but the funny thing is that same page ign.com a month ago or something gave us a preview of the upcoming PES game for PS2 where he practually was cheering the game.

Simply i think Ign.com now have changed the reviewer for the Pro Evolution Soccer games ;)

I think so too.
Those reviews above are more than a year old.
Since then they read this forum; we educated them :D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZePenguin
Who are these ****ing reviewers ? LOL they are paid by EA or something? [/QUOTE

They are ****ed by EA.

Originally posted by Arjun
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ZePenguin
Who are these ****ing reviewers ? LOL they are paid by EA or something? [/QUOTE

They are ****ed by EA.


and your quote is ****ed up too :D :D

I was telling Neutral earlier: it's this and other American reviews that made me miss out on ISSPE1, and buy FIFA. I am still kicking myself, as the game is almost impossible to find.

I think I read a post that says you can switch the defenders manually. Can you, and how do you do it?

I am a guy who was brought up on FIFA, but a friend of mine may be able to find ISSPE1 and bring it back from Miami, so, a few more things....

What's the deal with the shot meter? In Neutral's ISSPE1 review, he said it goes up "fast". How fast is fast? Hard to master?

On the freekicking front, is that governed by the shot meter and the skill of the kicktaker?

A lot of the guys in the FIFA forum dis the passing in ISS. Is it so bad, or is it just that it is realistic, and they have no time to master it?

Can you make it so that players like Figo, Totti and Del Piero have "free roles" as in real life?

More questions later:)

Thanks anyone who answers. I really don't want to do the FIFA thing for at least another year. I plan not to get FIFA 2002, cause having to unlock something that should be a staple (WC) is criminal. Also, they left the Dutch League out, and the player ratings are screwy yet again (Mark Van Bommel NEVER gets any respect). And I'm tired of the pinball shizit.

What's the deal with the shot meter? In Neutral's ISSPE1 review, he said it goes up "fast". How fast is fast? Hard to master?

It's the most realistic ever, when mastered, you can make an amazing array of shots, low, high, curved, wide, slow, fast, powerfull. It all depends on your player, which foot he prefers, hows his balance at the time of the shot, your own aiming. defenders positioning, mentality and fitness of player, also fatigue. It's the most realistic shooting sysem ever made, play it and you'll see for yourself


On the freekicking front, is that governed by the shot meter and the skill of the kicktaker?

Yes, and yes. It's the angle, distance, kicktaker, his atrributes, mentality and "mood". Also it takes practice, but when mastered after months of free kicks, it's one of the most satisfying goals you'll score. You have the option of curve, spin, powerful or placed shot independent of the shotbar. So you can have a placed shot, even if the shotbar goes up 90%, awesome action on the free kick front. Also curving around the wall, or dipping over it. As real as football itself, another feature of ISS' brethtaking replication of the game. Plus the wall jumps and turns their backs sometimes, and not just that, but they jump at the ball, the guy nowhere near the ball doesn't jump as high as the one trying to get a head on it. Plus sometimes, you can shoot through the wall, between two badly positioned players. This is REAL !!

A lot of the guys in the FIFA forum dis the passing in ISS. Is it so bad, or is it just that it is realistic, and they have no time to master it?

That's absurd, passing is the easiest part of the game. Just remember the rules of real football, pass it cleanly, pass it to the open man, pass it in accordance to where you are facing. The FIFA fans probably want an unrealistic idiotic 50 meter pass that goes 100mph on the ground, or they try too much without developing their skills, either way, they don't know what they're talking about. When you've mastered it, you'll be making through balls, lobbed passes, one-two's and a whole host of other brethtakingly real passes. I'd love for a FIFA fan to tell me that passing is unrealistic, he's probably a nine year old hockey fan :rolleyes:



Can you make it so that players like Figo, Totti and Del Piero have "free roles" as in real life?

Del Piero? Really doesn't have the free role, but you can certainly make it so. Using strategies, formations, mentalities and positioning, anything you can do in real football, is really in this game. Zidane plays this central mid role, he's everwhere, left, right, front, everywhere. Spraying deadly passes, making cross runs, through runs, pulling players away with dimmies off the ball, and yes, controlling the tempo and pace of every game. ISS is the only game where real strategies make a considerable difference on the pitch, play defensive, attacking, side attacking, long balls, crosses, anything you want. But one drawback, Italy are noticably defensive, and Netherlands are noticebly offensive, for example. They play like their real life counterparts, in almost every aspect.

The game is astonishing, effortless brilliance around every corner. Play for 10 minutes, and things will suddenly be clear.

thanks cro

and then we're only talking about isspe1:crazyboy: :cool: :D

ISS is the only game where real strategies make a considerable difference

Oh boy it this is the case, get your tactics wrong and youll get hammered. Expect to play the same against every team? Forget it, your going to have think about your tactics before you start. Playing against Brazil? Should you man mark Rivaldo or not? Dont try running at Roberto Carlos with Beckham, you will NEVER ever beat him for pace, your going to have to play triangles to find space.

Passing

As the CRO said, play like its real. Use small triangles to open up the defence. If your side of the pitch is getting blocked up try passing it long to the other side of the pitch, note that if you use Beckham or Veron, your passing will be noticeably more accurate than with Gary Neville. Use through passes sparingly, they are difficult to make, but when done right are devastating (just like real life). Attack the byline with your midfielders and try pulling it back and watch as you striker thumps it across the Goalie.


Shooting

I think this is tough at first but once you get used to it expect to put the ball where you want it. Good example:

Fowler running down the inside right, Fowler is very left footed, so just before you shoot move slightly to the left in your run, this will open up you body for a left footed shot across the goalie, and increases your chance of hitting the target. If you stay straight forward Fowler will try to hit it on the outside of his foot, a very difficult shot, and so your shot is less likely to hit its target...

You have always got to be thinking in advance... Try not too hold the accelerate button down, as unlike FIFA this decreases your manouverability, and also when you want to pass or shoot your striker has to wait till he next reaches the ball, rather than ball being magnetically drawn back to his foot for the shot. The best way is to run normally and use the accelerate button to go past players, or to create space for a shot.

Dribbling

A constant gripe for FIFA fans is that in ISS you cant go past players, YOU CAN.... but you need a good dribbler, and player who can accelerate, Example is Giggs, run at the defence and as you get near a defender do a slight zig toward him and then accelerate away from him, then cut back around him, this should firstly take you around him, then it stops him from simply hacking your legs away when you cut back past him....

So, outside of the foot shooting is less accurate... makes sense. That is another gripe I have with FIFA 2001. All the shots either go straight or curve off the inside of the foot. Crappy.

You mean Giggs can go on a run like the one he had against Arsenal in the FA Cup in 1999? (Was it 99?) Cos he totally blew all the defenders away. If you can do that, ****, why did I waste my time with FIFA for? :(

theCRO: about Del Piero's "free role", he has played more midfielder than striker over the last few seasons. He is one of the most complete offensive players I have watched, and he has been giving defences and goalkeepers fits to mark, because he plays everywhere.

As far as the realistic thing goes, you mean Konami took the time to create a different personality for every player? I saw this but, I thought that maybe what they did was create, say, 100 player types and use those for all the players, with the exception of a few here or there.

Passing: so FIFA 2002 stole the powerbar form PE? That sucks:rolleyes: Anyway, y'all say the lob button has a bar for passing. How difficult is it to direct your passes all over the field. Do you need to have the radar on (I never use it in FIFA, I always know where my robots are:))?

Oh, and back to the freekicks: so the shot goes over or under the wall, or around, depending on the strength of the bar (is it totally random, the type of freekick you get)? Is it fully user controlled?

Can you manmark more than one player?

Can you slightly edit the positon of an individual player to do a specific job (like Alex's new position for Scholes. Yuk, the team has played 4-4-2 for years, and now seems horribly imbalanced) ? So you can have a player like Petit sit in front of the centre halfs while your outside backs overlap independently and intelligently.

Do keepers like Oliver Kahn and Barthez play like they do in real life?

Thanks again:) It's a pity the "other" forums fans are such dicks, sometimes. They could learn something over here, and you guys are all so tight. Anyway, I'm off to the forum for the King of The Pinball Footie. Laters.

Everyone behaves like their real life counter part. So for example if you want to weave a defence (it will take some skill on your part) but Giggs is your man for that. But don't think you can take a skilled player like Beckham and do the same thing, they are different players they have different skills.

Well in the new game called PES, has a lot of attributes for each player (about 4 pages total). Player attributes range from 1 to 99. 99 being the highest. Before it use to be 1 to 19. This way no two players are the same. On the pages of attributes, there are special attributes that a player can have like positional awareness, man marking, cut off passes and stuff like that. These are special skills that some players have and some don't.

Well you don't exactly direct your passes all over the field. You use the guys next to you most of the time, just short short passes. Triangles. Passing and moving, that's the best way to break a defence down. Most of it has to do with team management, they way you set up your team, but every now and then, a winger can make a run and if you spot it from across the field, you can go ahead and give a go at a long ball. Depending on how you hit it, determines if the player would be able to control it in time before a defender closes down, or if you hit it out or hit it too short for a defender to cut it out. I play with the radar, but then again I use TV camera on WE5 so I need the radar to tell me whats going on. I used the analogy of driving to describe the radar. The radar should be used like the Rear view mirror. You don't stare at the rear view mirror when you are driving, you just glance at it to get a mental picture of what the traffic behind you looks like. Same with the radar, you glance at it to get a mental picture of what the player positions on the pitch are and the defender positions also. You also use it for breakaways to see if the keeper is rushing out so you can lob him.

You control freekicks and you pretty much have total control. I haven't tried under the wall tho (the shot will not be powerful, I already know this) but around and over I've done. Most newbies to ISS that come from fifa have the toughest time with Freekicks. Well, this ain't fifa, to be good at kicks you would have to practice that's all. We cannot tell you anything that will make you better, you just have to go and practice (like real life).

You can manmark anyplayer, you can assign three men if you like to one player. Depends on how dangerous you think the player is.

You can move player positions around on the pitch. If you player a flat 4-4-2 but you want one striker ahead of the other, you can move one to be ahead of the other. Basically you can get any formation you could possibly want within reason. that means you will not be able to play an 8-1-1.

Barthez is adventurous yes. Kahn is a monster yeah. Schmeichel is a bear in the goal. Toldo and Buffon are excellent. the best way to beat Toldo is to hit it low and closer to him that you would think cos if you hit far and low or far and high, he is long enough to get there. Buffon just has lightening reflexes. Seaman has good positional sense, but he is not going to bail you out on magnificant shots. Campos is not going to save an upper corner shot. One thing I like in WE5 is that on some shots that are high, the keepers are smart in that they don't try to save them even when they are standing directly under the shot, they just use one hand to tip the ball over the cross bar, it's pretty awesome. Or like when i was playing against Italy, it was raining, I hit a shot that was low and to the corner, Toldo adjusts, the ball bounces 2 feet infront of him and skips, instead of the save, he sort of guides the ball wide. I thought that was pretty cool, cos if he tried to make the save, who knows, might have gone under him. When it's raining, most keepers definetely fumble good shots, makes for interesting goal mouth scrambles.

talking about ign rewievers.
The first second to the right.

Whats their idea of penalty kicks?

I think the_man said it all. I have used Giggs to strip defenses, but you need a little luck, never scored a goal like that "one" because the shot is hard to pull off, Ive hit the bar and had the goalie save it from there.... Beckham wont beat players, hes too slow..

Marking, when I play against a quick striker (Owen say), I stick Wes Brown tight against him with Keane providing cover, he still gets away with the right ball though..

Passing, well read my post on superb goals, the one from Solskjaer was a diagonal ball (typical Beckham), but still only got it coz Hyppia made a mistake...

A tip for throw ins, throw it down the line, then pass it back to the thrower, like in real life this gives him some space, to play it infield.

Certainly hitting with the outside of the boot is less accurate however with the right player is still superb. You should always try to make the simple pass, if your player is left footed, get the ball onto his left foot first, your pass will be miles better, if possible make the player face so that the pass is easier. As they say K.I.S.S (Keep It Simple Stupid).

The power bar was stolen from ISS, however ISS power bar is not configurable :(. But it is more analogue, in that FIFAs power bar is "stepped" there are only four or five possible powers in FIFA. The power bar is available for all shots and passes unlike FIFA (not sure about heading??? the man???).

Goalies, Barthez gives me the bloody willies in the game.....

The players dont have personalities per se but react to their skills, I created Duncan Ferguson and the team does try more crosses than Liverpool for Owen.. Maybe this is not really the case but it certainly seems to be the case.....

This game sounds like ... like the Champion's League finals, compared to EA's MLS Cup. ANd EA consistently outsells Konami. It makes no sense. I refuse to believe as true gamers we prefer pretty shallow games over deep games. Heck, I still fire up Super Metroid on my SNES every once in a while, because it's good.

PES will have four pages of stats for each player... okkkkkkkkk then.

Back on the topic of the runs... when I play FIFA nowadays, I can use a winger to beat players with a twitch of the analog stick and reading when the computer will tackle. So in PE, now, you can actually push the ball around a player or through his legs to set up your moves?

And as far as skill moves are concerned, how extravagant do they get? IN FIFA they bore you to death with the stepover, the spin, the flickover, etc. Do skill moves appear in PE, but only as once in a blue moon moves for the best players? For example, last year Harry Kewell did this move vs. Deportivo: when the ball was played to him out on the left wing, he controlled it, hooked it over the defenders head with his left leg, and then as the defender turned, caught it with his RIGHT and hooked it back over, and sped away. I don't suppose any real flair moves like this would be in the game? Besides whatever is usual in a football game.

Again, thanks for the info.

Angelo

"Of ISS Pro Evolution and Gamenight, this is the superior game. The question you need to ask yourself: Will I still play this when FIFA comes out at the end of the month?"

LOL....what a gimp....like FIFA is something to look forward to....hahaha:D