I have found a bit more info about PES, after my last post....thanks to the help of this ISS forum.

The game looks good, although have not seen a great deal of screenshots, and the depth of international teams also looks good.

My biggest corncern however is the poor selection of club teams available, and the ability not to be able to play domestic leagues (i.e England, Italy, Spain etc). The rosters also look quite old, and it can only serve to go so far time aftet time with the lack of competitions.

With all the annoying bugs reported in FIFA, it makes the game a little difficult to justify purchasing it.

However, while PES may be good gameplay wise according to other football fans, it is also important in a football game to have a good selection of football teams and tournaments in it as well. Atleast full makrs must go to FIFA for the different types of tournaments and teams in the game, which is just as important to me as gameplay and realstic football game.

To me the bugs and gameplay in FIFA, vs the poor selection of teams in PES seem to cancel each other out!!!!, it gives them both equally as much minuses, even if PES gameplay is better than anything else going around.

In this day and age, you would think SOMEONE would be able to make a football game (the most popular sport in the world) with all the required features in it!.

Its the same old story, if you crossed over two games you'd probably have the perfect simulation...cross over FIFA's depth of teams/tournaments and graphics, with PES gameplay and realism, and you'd have your ultimate game!!!

Dissapointing :(, there is still a market out there for a company to grab the football title

Originally posted by Ange_Marls
To me the bugs and gameplay in FIFA, vs the poor selection of teams in PES seem to cancel each other out!!!!, it gives them both equally as much minuses, even if PES gameplay is better than anything else going around.


:D You'd be singing a much different tune if you ever played ISS Pro Evolution 1 let alone PES.

Quality over quantity my friend.

u may have a point, but i dun quite agree.

its true both have their merits, but I didn't know that the club team was one of them in FIFA.....

how can u say they cancelled each other out when EA gives a roster that sucks? they dun have the whole squad in the Clubs, and sometimes they have the wrong Skin or Hair colour...
(at least this was true the last time i played was Fifa2000, i am glad i dun have 2001 and 2002!)

I agree that there are not that many Clubs inside the Master League in ISS PE2, however there are a number of CUPS u can play with the National Teams.

and BTW, there is always a way to patch the ISS PE2 by changing the National Teams into Club Teams.

Originally posted by Ange_Marls
To me the bugs and gameplay in FIFA, vs the poor selection of teams in PES seem to cancel each other out!!!!, it gives them both equally as much minuses, even if PES gameplay is better than anything else going around.


Neutral and Gabriel beat me to it, but I think i speak for most when i say these two things: Yes we would love to see all the european top leagues and even a champions league in the game, but, you underestimate the power of gameplay.

As for screens, you missed some good posts like this one (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25040) I also posted some high resolution shots in this (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23655) thread. The latter contains a link to more.

Also, the price you pay for all those leagues and 2000 players in the game is that they're all the same - their stats are so basic that you can't tell any difference between teams and players. It's all purely cosmetic - in PES, those stats make a real difference, so there's room for less players so all the data can be fitted in. So Roberto Carlos is super fast and has a powerful shot but has defensive weaknesses, etc., whereas in FIFA you can hardly tell him from Nigel Winterburn.

Also, how many of those leagues in FIFA do you actually play? It can't be much of a bonus to have the Israeli league in a game!

As for graphics, compare the team line-up screenshots for PES with the "twisted old man" look of the new FIFA players, and realize that there is no ISSvFIFA anymore - the argument is over, as FIFA no longer has ANYTHING over its rival except those world leagues, the realism of which crumbles as soon as you actually try to play them.

But you're right - if KCET did find a way to shoehorn world leagues into PES, all other football games may as well just go home. Next time, I reckon: "Pro Evolution Soccer - Club Edition". No national teams, just leagues. The two would complement each other, casual fans could buy one or the other, KCET would make more cash and for once, owning 2 disks of basically the same game would be a bargain.

Unfortunately I haven't played ISS or PES, and the football fans are probably right, judging the comments so far it would be an excellent gameplay experience.

Perhaps I'll have a chance to play both before I can make a decision to purchase.

I guess it's a personal choice tho, that for me if a game does not have a wide variety of club teams and tournaments then it is a big factor to me, I like playing against the different teams with all the different effects. And to have all those leagues is a huge plus. So for me it is a big let down. I know FIFA can have some wrong rosters and player features, but they are easy to edit and change, and normally are quite up to date transfer wise.

I just like to have the variety, I dont want to be changing national teams to club teams, because i feel the wide range of national teams is needed too, i get enjoyment out of international football. But I also want to be able to play club football too.

I'm kind of caught between the two, FIFA is a big let down because of all the reported bugs that make the game virtually unplayable and uneasy to enjoy...where as PES does not have enough variety to keep me interested and make want to purchase the game with such little choice of clubs.

I guess the other thing is even if there is a patch, I can't do much with a PS2 version that way,............

I guess FIFA is non fuss as far as leagues go, they are ready to play as soon as you get into the game.

I'm not a strong supporter of EA sports games, i think most are crap for the resources they have, and esp their soccer games, they have the potential to gives us all so much more, but they continually let us down. But I must say that the variety in FIFA and options keeps me interested, and thats it's strong point (i dont need to start going on about it's weak points, it's been stressed enough, let's leave that out of the argument).

Until I can actually play FIFA for a day or two and get the feel of it, I know i'm going to have question marks, but I also feel a bit dissapointed PES does not have more club teams, i know that will be a big factor in how much i enjoy the game.

Well yes, the Israeli league for example is of not much use to me, i admit,....but ofcourse there is plenty of other variety

Sensible soccer started out with "Club Edition", and then it progressed over the years to have every league from around the world, plus almost every national team.

I could comprehend the thought of a club edition, hell i'd buy both games so i could have club edition and the international edition. but yes, perhaps like Sensible Soccer, it will work it's way up to that, we can only hope.

Your comments have some merit ofcourse, but i still actually thought that FIFA 2001 was playable and enjoyable.

Thing i really miss is the Champions League, not having that in PES is a real low :(

Perhaps if i could be guaranteed i had some custom teams to edit and make my own in PES, and add to make atleast the champions league, then i would be almost prepared to say i'd try that over FIFA, but I am not sure what the limitations and restrcitions on that are?, if someone can clarify , it would be greatly appreciated.

The other thing Sensible Soccer had was loads of custome teams, meaning you could add your own, and have every angle covered.

I'm still looking for more info on PES, and admittadly i dont know all the facts, but from what i have gathered so far, i know its has some limitations.

Truly I want to believe PES is the long awaited answer, so i'm always open to finding out more, but i havent been totally convinced as yet

PES will last you for at least a year, you wil play fifa for a month then forget about it.

I have just downloaded all of the videos for PES, and the look amazing. In one of the videos I saw a close up of Viera, and he looks amazing, he just looks like his true counterpart, if you don't beleive me download the match videos.

In fifa most of the black guys look like Trevor Sinclair, even andy Cole AND Yorke, I think thats taking the piss.

If only you played ISS pro evolution 2, Then you wouldn't be asking about this game.

Cool, well the more i discuss this game, the more i find out.....

perhaps the 20 or so club teams that are down for PES are enough to run a league against and actually enjoy? for a year i suppose, without getting bored of the same challenge season in and season out?.

I noticed that France's kit on some of the screenshot is a mixture of white and blue instead of completely blue?, and I believe you cannot edit the kits, which is dissapointing.........but i gather you can edit the names?, of exsisting teams within the game.

I'm also interested to find out any other info,
* if you can create your own tournaments (custom tournament),
* what exact features of a player can you edit (besides face, skills etc,?
* can u edit boot colour, short/long sleeves and so on?),
* do teams really have different styles?
* how many custom teams can u create?, if indeed you can create these?,
* how many different stadiums are in the game?
* do cpu teams make tactical adjustments and substitutes during a game?
* are there injuries?

all of this sort of info i am keen to find out...............


If you can chat about this, i would be very interested to read....i'm referring to details on the upcoming release of PES obviously.

I do have to agree that the lack of club sides and proper league set-ups in Pro Evo is a bit of a draw-back. I want to be able to play as my favourite team!!! And in the proper league !!!

It is very frustrating that nearly 10 years ago, we had Sensible World of Soccer and it had all of the club teams from around the world, even Division 1, 2 & 3 teams !! That was absolutely superb as, no matter which team you support, you could play as your team in the correct league.

It also had proper seasons with promotion and relegation and all of the cup competitions running concurrently. If you did well enough, you even got offers to be the National Manager and take your team to the World Cup. It was a proper footy-gaming career.

Whilst FIFA 2002 does offer a fair number of leagues, the fact that it doesn't offer anything below the Premier League of each country (no promotion and relegation) and doesn't offer a proper career mode means that it is still nowhere near as comprehensive as it needs to be. Given that FIFA cannot sell itself on it's rotten gameplay it needs to offer far more in terms of the clubs set-up and career mode than it offers. Thus, FIFA fails on all fronts.

Pro Evo has always sold on the strength of its wonderful game-play but it is very frustrating that the programmers won't just add in a proper career mode akin to that in Sensible World of Soccer. Konami have the perfect footy game within touching distance but for some reason, always choose to ignore club football. This is a serious oversight and I just wish that there was some way to contact them because it can't be that hard to program a proper career mode into the game if Sensible Soccer had it on the Amiga all of those years ago.

Even if they just gave us a bunch of blank teams and allowed us to edit the team names and strips so that we could make our own leagues and teams !!!!

I don't like the Master League that much as it is purely fictitious and I don't support any of the teams in it anyway. And playing International Footy gets a bit boring.

How can I contact the KCET team?????

I brang the review back which is directly under this thread, maost of what ou need to know is there.

anyway your answers:

1.yes
2.face, skills, hair, age, body structure, weight, nationality, boots, preffered ahooting foot and many other things.
3.yes in winter you have long sleeves
4.every single team plays differently, and every single player plays differntly, TACTICS and management is a big part of this game.
5. Don't know about this one
6. 9+ with some specials one that will be introduced when the game is realesed
7. yes CPU use tactics such as defensive press, counter attack, zone press, man marking, zonal ,marking, centre attack, offside trap, different teams use different tactics. Injuries are also good, if a player is injure and it is a yellow injury he can play for the rest of the match but his attributes will decrease highly, red injuries mean he has to go off. Cpu make subs like real life, e.g solsjear always comes on near the end for manu

* if you can create your own tournaments (custom tournament)

yeah, but probably only with International sides if ISS Pro 2 is anything to go by :mad:


* what exact features of a player can you edit (besides face, skills etc,?

height, weight, favoured foot(left or right or both), shooting power, shooting accuracy, speed, stamina, passing, heading ability, etc.....the important thing being that all of these attributes affect how good the player is....tall heavy players are stronger and harder to get the ball off, good passers will play more accurate through-balls, etc....this is a really strong point in Pro Evo


* can u edit boot colour, short/long sleeves and so on?),

yes


* do teams really have different styles?

very much so......the AI is excellent, they change tactics half-way through games, etc...this is another real strong point of Pro Evo


* how many custom teams can u create?, if indeed you can create these?,

yeah, can anyone answer that?


* how many different stadiums are in the game?

i'd like to knwo that too...apparently some American guy on this forum has a copy of it so perhaps he can tell us...I've heard the Stadia look absolutely stunning


* do cpu teams make tactical adjustments and substitutes during a game?

you betcha !!! they're cunning like that


* are there injuries?

yes, you can hack Figo's legs until his ankles crack(not literally) and he gets stretchered off, but you'll probably get red carded

You can also tackle in many different ways, from slide tackles, to shoulder barges, to shirt tugging, etc.

and players also lose form so you need to decide if they deserve to be picked for the next game

Sorry about the grammar, I suck.

lol, I was wondering exactly how you "brang"

ok well all sounds good.....

i was just reading a review of PES on this forum, starting to get the drift now,

one major thing that seems to occur to me is that I cannot play with my fav club team, ami correct or am i misunderstanding it.

for example, I want to play it Barcelona, so am i able to do this?......this would be a major shock to me that i cannot do this, as I hardly see the point in playing a football game without being your fav team :(

I also understand you have to actually keep players on contracts etc?, not ideal, as i like to play football games without this fuss ( i play under those conditions with management games) but i'd rather just play without all of that fuss.

but this would not be as big a deal if i can be my fav club team, but i suspect i cant :(

Don't forget though, we all thought FIFA was worth considering before we first played ISS! Remember that for someone who's NEVER played pro evolution anything, psx/ps2 football games play a certain way, and as far as you know, that's what a computer football game is like. It's impossible to imagine that something like the ISS evolution series exists until you actually play it. Ten minutes in, you say "this is amazing", half an hour and you say "I can't believe it, this is exactly like football", three weeks later and it's already better than any game in history, AND you're still discovering new moves etc. 6 months later, you suddenly master the old Yorke-and-Cole one-two stepover and return, for which there is no button to press, you just have to DO IT and the controls give you the freedom to do it....already FIFA is a distant memory....18 months later you know exactly how to make Zidane glide straight through a cluster of 5 defenders like real life, you can take Rivaldo on a stop-start run through the penalty box, feinting and doubling back then chipping the keeper, Beckham's 50-yard passes drop onto the toe of Michael Owen almost every time.....

See, it's only then that you can't remember what ever appealed to you about playing a frantic Subbuteo version of the Champions League where every game's the same and when you get to the final your opponents are Maccaba Haifa, who just squeezed past Sturm Graz in the semi.

BUT only being able to create 22 players in PE2 was a downer, especially as you couldn't create a new team to put them in. All the PS2 games I've played have nearly endless edit options cos of the 8mb memory, so here's hoping for PES.

Ange, what I'm hoping to do is make my own champion's league with the club teams in PES - the fact that Gala and Rosenberg and Croatia Zagreb won't be in it is nothing compared to FIFA, where your group league probably has two other teams from your own country in it!

Hahaha sorry, by the time I posted that it was out of date.

Ange, I think in PES (unlike pro evo 2) you CAN go straight in and play as Barcelona or whoever. I think you can also make a league or tournament with them. The Master League is just something you can do if you like. Whereas in PE2, it was the only way you could play with club sides.

I just thought -- you could get a second-hand copy of ISS Pro Evolution 2 for the PS1 really cheap, play it on your PS2 and imagine the same game with all the changes we've been talking about. Your dilemma will be over!

Barcelona definitely are in Pro Evo.

The club sides iincluded are:

English: Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, Leeds, West Ham, Newcastle
Spanish: Barcelona, Real Madrid, Deportivo La Coruna, Valencia
German: Bayern Munich, Bayer Leverkusen, Borussia Dortmund
Italian: Roma, Lazio, AC Milan, Inter Milan, Juventus, Parma, Fiorentina
Dutch: PSV Eindhoven, Feyenoord, Ajax
French: PSG, Monaco, Marseille, Bordeaux
S American: Boca Juniors, Vasco Da Gama, River Plate and Palmeiras

As the KCET development team have recently formed a relationship with the makers of Championship Manager 3, the stats for all the teams and players should be absolutely spot on, both comprehensive and accurate.

There are also over 50 international sides which I can't be bothered listing.

Originally posted by Ange_Marls
ok well all sounds good.....

i was just reading a review of PES on this forum, starting to get the drift now,

one major thing that seems to occur to me is that I cannot play with my fav club team, ami correct or am i misunderstanding it.

for example, I want to play it Barcelona, so am i able to do this?......this would be a major shock to me that i cannot do this, as I hardly see the point in playing a football game without being your fav team :(

I also understand you have to actually keep players on contracts etc?, not ideal, as i like to play football games without this fuss ( i play under those conditions with management games) but i'd rather just play without all of that fuss.

but this would not be as big a deal if i can be my fav club team, but i suspect i cant :(

The atributes of each player is from CHAMPIONSHIP MANAGER, which is te best managment game.

This game is a combination of a management game and a soccer game, so they will be allot of things that you might not like, such as rotating players depending on who is on good form or is in the "zone" or buying players and keeping them a the club.

So if you don't like the thought of a management game and a soccer game in one, then this game might not be for you. You might be into a pick up and play game like fifa.

managemnt is what makes you win games.

I forgot about that Champo Manager link-up....it only happened recently, so my guess is that the NEXT game will be the one with the leagues.....it must be! Compared to EA, Konami are decent at listening to consumer feedback, they must know by now. And if not, I'm sure the CM people will be like "ok, instead of using a sixth of our database, why not use it all?"

Only one year to go.....agggghhhh I want it now etc.
:crazyboy:

yup, when I first heard that Pro Evolution was joing up with Championship Manager, my heart was filled with utter joy...i thought "this is finally it, this is what all footy fans have been waiting for...the glorious game-play of Pro Evoltion with all the leagues, teams, players, promotion, relegation, f*cking everything !!!"

Then I heard that they were only getting the data for the players and teams already chosen for Pro Evo.....goddamit !!!! Why can't they just give us all the teams and leagues....PLEASE!!!!


Like you said Pere....next time, surely next time they will give it all to us.

I understand your concern over playing with your favourite team... From what you have said you are not going to like ISS, no matter how much better the gameplay is. You prefer the simplicity of FIFA and all the "leagues". The game takes time to learn, Im getting my brother into it, and he has only won one game in 15! But he beat Italy 4-1 with England, now he cant stop playing..

I have been showing him the subtleties and its tough for a FIFA player.

The only way to do it is to play ISS Pro Evo 2 on PC and edit it yourself, Ive done this for all English Premier teams.

I scored my best goal ever yesterday, Man U 4 - Leicester 1, Giggs already scored 2, Veron played it to Giggs in his own half, I blazed down the wing, skipped past one defender, cut back inside between two defenders, dummied a shot cut back onto his left and rammed it under the bar.

The only way to do it is to play ISS Pro Evo 2 on PC and edit it yourself, Ive done this for all English Premier teams.

I wish that I could get a PSX emulator and try it. I have been trying to get epsxe for a few days now but their website is down....any other emulators out there worth getting?

btw, if you can edit the teams when you play ISS on PC, how do you actually do it? Do you install some of the files on your hard-disk?

ePSXe is the best PSX emulator out there. try using search engine like altavista, keyword: ePXSe. you will find another download location than ePXSe home page.
if you got it make an ISO of ISS PE2 with CDRWIN.
you then have a *.bin file (about 650MB).
then go to http://www.sportplanet.com/iss/
and find "hacking" section. there is a little tutorial on how to edit teams Pro Evo 2 editing the *.bin file with Haplos team editor.
all the tools you need are also at http://www.sportplanet.com/iss/.
I put about 15 national teams (England,Germany,Netherlands,France,Brazil etc.) up-to-date rosters.
good luck!

In response to the fact that I may not like this game as it's a football game and management game in one. Thing is I do like the idea of having to rotate players because of injury and loss of form, i think that is needed in a football game, i just am not keen on the option of having to keep players at your club and worry about the management side, but i want tactical worries, injury and loss of form and all the other perks, but not to have to worry about contracts and players, i'd rather play like real life that way.

However, I would like the whole structure if I can play with Barcelona in my own custom tournaments selecting the teams i wish to select, without having to worry about contracts and buying players.

That way I would not need to play under the master league rules, that is just an extra option for me.

Understandably I guess no one can tell me yes or no to these things, as we haven't seen the game as yet, but if anyone does have an idea as to how all this runs, there seems to be a couple of different suggestions at this stage.

But I would be very happy if you can play with Barcelona in your own tournaments, that would go along way to helping me find a new football game.

I'm not a fan of FIFA, for a number of reasons, and I trust the football fans here when they say the gameplay is unbelievable, but I'm just trying to weigh up these factors with the other one i consider improtant in an enjoyable football game. I'd just like to be able to turn certain options off

For the record, Sensible Soccer is still king, even tho it's banished to the history books for me, it is still the best football game series I have played to date. Sensible Soccer had the ability to play with management or without it.

In response to the fact that I may not like this game as it's a football game and management game in one. Thing is I do like the idea of having to rotate players because of injury and loss of form, i think that is needed in a football game, i just am not keen on the option of having to keep players at your club and worry about the management side, but i want tactical worries, injury and loss of form and all the other perks, but not to have to worry about contracts and players, i'd rather play like real life that way.

I wasnt being funny above, but your initial responses seemed to suggest that the game wouldnt be for you. It takes a heck of a lot of mastering and can be disheartening at first.

For the guy who asked about editing yep as MisterX-K said you need to create a bin file, then use the Waxler editor, and team editor, I have all EPL teams with kits, and I am starting on English Div 1.

If you want help with the team or kit editing bit ask and you shall receive. I have created a lot of the kits fairly easily from the shirt editor, howver there will always be some you cannot do.

Originally posted by Ange_Marls

For the record, Sensible Soccer is still king, even tho it's banished to the history books for me, it is still the best football game series I have played to date. Sensible Soccer had the ability to play with management or without it.

Well you wont find me arguing here, SWOS was the best career mode game ever, in fact the tactical stuff reminds a bit of ISS, where you could design your own, formations, etc, but SWOS was better becasue you could choose how your team varied according to the situation.. I loved SWOS and still have an emulated version, its just not good enough at the footie level anymore...

Things to bring from SWOS:

1) The transfer system, it was bloody superb, swap players, refusals, etc..
2) The tactics bit.
3) The Youth development bit.
4) The career mode where you got poached by other clubs and even other leagues...

Excellent, thanks guys....I was thinking that with Pro Evo just around the corner that ISS Pro 2 would be put back in it's box, never to see the light of day again but if I can get it on my PC and then set up the Scottish Premier League, then there's life in the old girl yet:)

And you can even alter the kits !!! Excellent !!!

I know some people say that it's not important what teams you get to play as, only that the game-play is great but I think it is very important that you get to play as your fav team in the correct league...I support Hibs and when I go to watch football, I don't decide to go watch Liverpool just cos they play better football...I want to watch my fav team.....likewise, I want to play as my fav team when I play Pro Evo.

Unfortunately, at the moment if I want to play as Hibs, I have to turn on FIFA....godammit that sucks. But ISS with all the Scottish teams would be excellent.

Incidently, can you alter the size of the league as the Scottish League only has 12 teams?

In the meantime, I shall continue my pursuit for ePSXe and try to get it up and running first and then get back to you for additional info about the editing.

Cheers guys !! :D

In ISS PE2 you can choose to have a 12 team league, unfortunately you cannot do a 12 team 4 game as in the SPL :(.

Maybe I can make you understand that once you put this game in you're PS2 you wont be thinking desparately about playing with your fav. team.
Okay in FIFA, you have your fav team, but it is not as if you can actually tell the difference between Kluivert and Raul, except from the way they look. In FIFA you don't use Kluivert for hanging a bit back, receiving the ball, hold up play and then give that deciceve pass in which he is so good. In FIFA you don't use Raul to just always be in the right place at the right time. They both just make that overhead kick again and again.
What's the use of having all those teams represented if there is no actual difference in the way teams play? You play your fav team but you only know it's them because you see their names and they look like them a bit.
Now imagine this, Croatia is a team which is so dependent on the individual skill, where Holland is dependent on 'total' football. If you try to play the same game with both teams, you'll probably loose with both. You have to really play the tactics that the players from a sqaud are comfortable with. Or change you're tactics and start tweeking you're starting line-up to make it go with these tactics.
In conclusion, why doesn't Konami just insert all teams? Because with the amount of time they spent on creating the life like counterparts of real players they'd be programming for the next two years, or all players would be the same....
Jeez, what a rant.

that's been my gripe all along...we all know that FIFA has no real game-play and so we shall just ignore it.


ISS is superb and it sounds like Pro Evo is even betterl....but I still can't understand why KCET spend years developing such a wonderful game, tactics, etc and then miss out the one very important thing ...the chance to play as your fav team.....it's what football is all about, supporting your fav team

It would be soooooo easy for KCET to simply add in all the extra club sides and leagues (even if they just change the names if there are problems with obtaining the rights) but they always miss this out!!!!

Pro Evo will be divine but it will fall short of perfect because I want to play as Hibs.

Yes I agree with CosaNostra in a lot of ways, what makes ISS is the fact that the players behave like themselves, I guess this would be difficult to reproduce (or maybe it was in the past) for every single player. I guess the idea of joining forces with CM is that if they can use a ready made database with skills already in, they wont have to do it themselves, which will save them the time, this could mean that in the future they could relatively easily add more teams to the game. In the past I expect it took a lot of time to add players, certainly its taken me a week to do the EPL, so can you imagine trying to do every team by hand? Especially when you are talking about Hibs, Norwich, or where smaller teams are concerned where information is pretty scant at best?

I think Konami I have approached it the right way, they have a built a good footballing engine first and are gradually adding in teams, licenses, graphics, etc. If they can add further licensed teams based on the CM database, then I am sure they will murder FIFA.

I understand the playbility of it all...and the gameplay and tactics are excellent!!!!!! I hope this game has the oyther features that will make it satisfying in all those other areas

I just would like to know if what i mentioned is possible, for me to play with Barca? in custom tournaments....

if it is, then I cant see a problem with me adapting to this game and becoming a true fan as well

It just concerns me not to be able to play with my fav club team, no trouble with my fav national team Australia tho.

I know that game play on this game S*&^s all over FIFA, there is no conttest i understand.

If someone can answrer my Barcelona and custom club tournaments question, then ill take the contracts side of the game without any further mention of it.

Can you even compare an amateur Winterburn and a pro Carlos?????????????

Originally posted by Ange_Marls
I understand the playbility of it all...and the gameplay and tactics are excellent!!!!!! I hope this game has the oyther features that will make it satisfying in all those other areas

I just would like to know if what i mentioned is possible, for me to play with Barca? in custom tournaments....

if it is, then I cant see a problem with me adapting to this game and becoming a true fan as well

It just concerns me not to be able to play with my fav club team, no trouble with my fav national team Australia tho.

I know that game play on this game S*&^s all over FIFA, there is no conttest i understand.

If someone can answrer my Barcelona and custom club tournaments question, then ill take the contracts side of the game without any further mention of it.

Straight answer...No, you cannot play Barca in custom tournaments. You see Ange_Marls, ISS too is not the perfect game in terms of options and features. That is not why we play this game. We play this game for the gameplay. Surely someday we would love to play club sides, custom tournaments and so on...but right now it is not possible. If you think you cannot handle this fact then ISS/PES is not your game. That being said, you haven't even tried the game yet, so you really can't understand what makes us keep playing.

You also say that you don't want to deal with contracts and stuff, you just want to play, you know coach the team...well, master league tests your coaching abilities to the max. Taking a group of 22 wannabes and guiding them to tie and then beat the worlds best clubs? I don't know about you, but my coaching juices start to flow when i here this. Also, your performance in play earns you the points to buy players, your perfermance on the pitch dictates what players you can buy and what team you can build.

I would suggest that you play the game atleast before you rule anything out...but then again, if you can't handle the missing things, then this game is not for you...i suggest getting the other game, it has all the features you are looking for (except the most important...MHO).

Well Ange I thought exactly like you a month ago, then I got the game and I realized how stupid I was to want to be able to play Serie A with Milan. I mean, this is so much better. I was just liek you and thought the idea of not being able to make custom club tournaments and national leagues ruined the game. Anyway, in one day I realized it was 100 times better than FIFA. So trust me, I was just like you a month ago, and now i am a convert.

For me, the worst thing about FIFA is that you know you are going to win the next game - if they score in the first 20 minutes, you know you can score at least 2 more.

In ISS you're playing on your wits the whole time - I've been 2 up pegged back to 2 all by half time, had Figo sent off, mistakenly substitted Beckham (oops) when re-organising the team formation and then scored the greatest goal (taking into account the build up that it involved) I have ever seen on ISS in Injury Time to win.

Personally, I can't be bothered to sit down and edit all the players/teams etc - Of course I put myself up front for Scotland (I'm probably better than the current team any way:p) - but apart from that I want to play a good game.

FIFA may well have all the teams, but the player stats aren't up to much anyway, making the match ups poor. The teams don't play like the should do, the players don't have the skills that the real ones do - and where is the fun in winning every game 7/8/9-0? Would you sit and play the same level of Super Mario world on the Game Boy for hours on end - knowing how to do every bit and never having toi expand on it would be boring - right?

If you really need both sides of football games then buy both - or get This is Football 2002 on the PS2, it is better than FIFA in the gameplay stakes and has all the teams you cpould want.

I considered getting PES on my PS2 and FIFA for my PC. I've played the demo and can honestly say that I wouldn't play FIFA if it was free.

11 Days and counting.................................

it's a pity that you can't play clubs in custom league.
but the_man...you have the beta...maybe in full version there is option to play custom club tournaments ;) I know I'm just dreaming of creating my own Champions League in PES....
one day we will be able to do that...trust me!
maybe even in the next edition of PES...PES 2 :)
PLEASE KONAMI!!! If you read this post:
make another version of PES and call it CLUB EDITION or UEFA Champions League Pro Evolution Soccer....
would be my BIGGES wish!
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Well i suppose to sum it all up, i consider playability important about 50% of the game, but I also consider those other parts as important, making up the other 50%, both attributes are important to enjoying a football game i think.

I know FIFA does not have the gameplay but has all the teams
I know PES has the gameplay but not the teams

what a dilemma?, i dont really know what to do, if go with any of them

obviously if i get chance to try both games without buying, that would help me to decide if any of them!.

Originally posted by Ange_Marls
Well i suppose to sum it all up, i consider playability important about 50% of the game, but I also consider those other parts as important, making up the other 50%, both attributes are important to enjoying a football game i think.

I know FIFA does not have the gameplay but has all the teams
I know PES has the gameplay but not the teams

what a dilemma?, i dont really know what to do, if go with any of them

obviously if i get chance to try both games without buying, that would help me to decide if any of them!.

Okay, this is what I would do in your situation:

A) Download for free the epsxe emulator from the following legal site:
http://www.emulator-zone.com/psx/epsxe.html
(read everything carefully about plugins etc.)
B) Goto the videoshop and rent both FIFA 2002 (for the PC) and ISSPE2 (for the emulator) and play both.

C) Make your decision what you like most.

This way it only cost you the rent in the videoshop and than you know what to do.
When making your decision, take into account that playing ISS takes some time to learn, but when you get the feeling for it... well that's said numorous times overhere :)
Take also into account that PES, the newest of the ISS-series, which will be released in 10 days, is probably a class better than ISSPE2 and about 5 classes better than FIFA 2002 :cool:
Hope this helps to solve your dilemma :)