Whats the deal with ISS?

-snail pace game
-unresponsive control
-NO skill moves(overhead flip, 360, feint)
-bad, BAD commentary
-meh graphics(animation is cool though)
-and worst of all, WHATS WITH THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS NAMES!!!

I dont understand why people rate this over FIFA.:confused:

The reason so many people rate ISS over Fifa is one word: Gameplay

Originally posted by pokwang
Whats the deal with ISS?

-snail pace game
-unresponsive control
-NO skill moves(overhead flip, 360, feint)
-bad, BAD commentary
-meh graphics(animation is cool though)
-and worst of all, WHATS WITH THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS NAMES!!!

I dont understand why people rate this over FIFA.:confused:

Snail pace game my a$$! If you're talking about ISSPE1 or 2, try hitting the button on your PSX controller labelled "Start", now select "Game Speed" and put it to the speed you feel like. The gamespeed in PES is just very realistic, try it. :)

Unresponsive control. Please elaborate on this one. What is so unresponsive about it?

Skill moves, schnill moves. In Fifa you can practically dribble the lengt of the pitch with say Tony Adams by using these stupid moves. How often do you see Lee Dixon performing a socalled "Rainbow kick" anyway? Or how often do Ronaldo do a socalled 360 spin? You see, ISS tries to simulate real footy, Fifa don't.

Commentry, yes, it sucks. Your point being?

Meh graphics? Far better than Fifa I tell you. The graphics in Fifa 2002 are really grainy, and pixelated. The graphics and PES is very smooth and flowing.

Players and club names. Yeah, sure, that's a thing I'd like seen added in a ISS version, but it is still a minor detail. KCET has unlike EA Sports actually tried to simulate footy by making the gameplay as realistic as possible, not by adding the Norwegian or Greek league (Who cares anyway?).

I must admit though, I enjoyed World Cup 98 for about two weeks, but honestly, what has been improved in the Fifa series since the release of the WC98 game? Nothing, if you ask me. They've actually managed to make the game worse!

Originally posted by pokwang
Whats the deal with ISS?

-snail pace game
-unresponsive control
-NO skill moves(overhead flip, 360, feint)
-bad, BAD commentary
-meh graphics(animation is cool though)
-and worst of all, WHATS WITH THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS NAMES!!!

I dont understand why people rate this over FIFA.:confused:

what an idiot...of course ISS HAS SKILL MOVES DUMBASS!!!!!! theyre just not so easy to do like in fifa.. the graphics are excelent..i bet u have played the game like for 1 hour and u think it sux..what a shame..if u really knew how it feels to play iss...

yeah, it is ovverated. Who want's real football anyways? :rolleyes:

I heard it's possible to get a goalless draw in ISS... what's that all about?

you know what else, I heard that there is a lot of midfield play and that it isn't end-to-end action.

that's warped. I expect at least 40 shots on goal per game

no, i heard that if you get more than 15 shots on goal you can consider yourself lucky.it is also rumoured that players behave like in real life e.g Gigg making a terrific run on the left or R.Carlos making his locomotive run to take a Free kick..it this true?
in a game called FIFA i heard that you can dribble past an entire teams with a defender, wow this games surely rocks as it features superhuman players. you can get numerous shots on goal and don't need to bother where to put the ball just choose right or left...great feature for the indecisive fellows (my god that's an awesome feature)..moreover you don't need to bother about the flow of the game as FIFA is soccer tactics.. score more goal that your oppponent..defenders are only here for figuration. therefore we get scores like 10:9 or 5:4...Surely this is a great tactical aspect of FIFA. to achieve this tally you get wonder moves like the 360 turn. with the 360 turn you can beat anything...this is really the most greatest point in FIFA gameplay that hasn't been achieved in any game..a killer/invincible move that any player can perform..there is only EA to think about that. Another interesting aspect of the most beautiful soccer simulation on PC is that players features nice, rounded and big @sses. no need to ask your girl to put a tight skirt in order to have a look at the full moon, FIFA gives it to you via its player. WOWWWW i gonna get this game called FIFA, such features are really thundering!!!
it is not surprising that FIFA is rated as a great game as those who review are as just as silly/lame/dumb@ss/farters as those players they control in FIFA, in otherwords they don't know a shlt about football. maybe EA will say that Football that Milan or Liverpool is fake and Football is end to end action and that's what FIFA Scam 2001/2 gives.

Originally posted by Yann
..it is also rumoured that players behave like in real life e.g Gigg making a terrific run on the left or R.Carlos making his locomotive run to take a Free kick..it this true?


Both rumours are true :)
I advice everybody to go at the ISS/PES forum of this website, where you can read about countless other nice features of this game :)

Hey don't take this guy seriously, he either hasn't played ISSPE1/2 or he has played it for not longer than 1 hour.

Actually I think FIFA is best because it has every team and players..

Originally posted by LTJ
I heard it's possible to get a goalless draw in ISS... what's that all about?

lol:)

Originally posted by pokwang
Whats the deal with ISS?

-snail pace game
-unresponsive control
-NO skill moves(overhead flip, 360, feint)
-bad, BAD commentary
-meh graphics(animation is cool though)
-and worst of all, WHATS WITH THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS NAMES!!!

I dont understand why people rate this over FIFA.:confused:

I think the waterboy put up this stupid ass thread to see how many people would respond to such a stupid ass statement. I'm sorry that you find the ISS's pace to be "snail" like, unlike FIFA's more realistic pace of two hundred miles an hour with ball bouncing around like pinball. "unresponsive control"?? Sounds like someone couldn't score twelve goals in one game. "NO skill moves"?? First of all, there are skills moves, second of all, sorry you can't go the length of the pitch with a defender, spinning yourself free of every tackle. You're obviosly an "arcade" soccer fan. A lot of us there at the SG forums prefer realism...so again, I apologize:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by cymonguk
Actually I think FIFA is best because it has every team and players..
pls explaine what doesnt make Fifas licence totally rubbish, since it really doesnt matter if u play Brazil or Luxemburg.....


All team/players act the same in that stupid game...

Originally posted by bulldrig

pls explaine what doesnt make Fifas licence totally rubbish, since it really doesnt matter if u play Brazil or Luxemburg.....


All team/players act the same in that stupid game...

You are so right bulldrig...I entirely agree with you

Have you guys ever heard of sarcasm???? If you read any of my stuff you ll know I hate FIFA, I was giving the usual FIFA players response...

As you will know if you have played my EPL patch, or when you play the new CL patch, then I love the fact that different players play in different ways...

FIFA must be the best.

The first FIFA was released nearly 10 years ago and EA have released new versions at one year intervals (sometimes 6 months) where they gradually fine-tune the gameplay and features, making the game more and more realistic and joyful to play.

After 10 years of rapid advancement in computer technology, just imagine how good FIFA must now be.

It's good news all the way......until you turn it on and try playing it......f*ck me....are EA employing monkeys to do their programming thesedays?

Releasing versions by a so short time interval is not really good for a game...it's better to release a game that has been more prepared and you're not forced to bring out a version every year...like iss.

And Konami has a lot more football gaming experience than EA you know, they started their first game in 1985 (Konami' S Football), but the second version was only 6 years later and it was great (Konami Hyper Soccer on NES)...

i too was being sarcastic

I know...just wanted to put EA a little more down :p

They think they know what the beautiful game is ('reinventing the beautiful game' *cough*cough* yeah they reinvented it, they even give it a new neame (the crappy game)

:rolleyes:

I MYSELF love FIFA 2002.
it just feels so great to kick it in the dust bin again and again.
I'd love to do the same with the testing persons at EA Sports and all the programmers too ;)
oh sh*t, now I'm goin too far do I?
really, FIFA 2002 is just plain crap.

Originally posted by bulldrig

pls explaine what doesnt make Fifas licence totally rubbish, since it really doesnt matter if u play Brazil or Luxemburg.....


All team/players act the same in that stupid game...


yeah, exactly man, what's the point in EA having that damn licence, they dont deserve it because they aren't using it properly. They have the real player names, but there's no way of knowing who's who on the pitch from the way they play!

I have to make this point......

Everyone complains about the silly skill moves on these games, you complain that they're unrealistic, you can use them all the way up the field, normal players don't do these moves.......

A few questions for you....

1) Is someone forcing you to press these buttons?

2) Is the button stuck down?

3) Is there some god-like force sending the button press command to your systems?

You all moan about these skill moves so much, stop using them if they are so fake and unrealistic. The computer doesn't control the way you play and buttons you press, YOU DO!

I don't use these silly buttons because it takes something out of the game, i'd rather create my own skill/dub play with the directional controller (nothing's quite as amusing as sending your opponent tackling in the wrong direction by just stopping your player).

And another thing......

It seems that no-one seems to like FIFA 2002.....

I can't understand why, it is the most involving, impressive, responsive, realistic Football game in history. The player names and Stats are perfect, the gameplay is slick and fully bug free, the formation options are fantastic.

EA Sports have put together the most comprehensive football game available to the mass market......


Ouch..... My nose has just broken through my wall and hit an airplane............

That last comment should read.....

EA Sports have put together the most comprehensive piece of total and complete rubbish available to the mass market......and at a price that will sell millions.......

Dear HeeroYuy,

A few questions for you.... Consider this scenario:

Youre playing against a friend. Say world class setting. By halftime youre down by 10 goals, just because you refuse to use skill moves that gives its user GOD-like abilities to overcome any possible kind of challenge from his/her opponent. At the end of the game youre down 40 to nil to your friend.

Now. Should you blame....

1)yourself, because youre in "complete" control of your game/destiny/etc. despite your opponent having unfair advantages. You only have yourself to blame.

2)your friend, for using fake/unrealistic moves for the sake of winning. C'mon, wheres the dignity?

3)the game, for allowing cheap/unfair moves that totally ruins the Beautiful Game.

Hmm?

Originally posted by pokwang
Whats the deal with ISS?

-snail pace game
-unresponsive control
-NO skill moves(overhead flip, 360, feint)
-bad, BAD commentary
-meh graphics(animation is cool though)
-and worst of all, WHATS WITH THE PLAYERS AND CLUBS NAMES!!!

I dont understand why people rate this over FIFA.:confused:

ISS IS over-rated. Sorry, but it's true.:crazyboy:

Originally posted by Carver


ISS IS over-rated. Sorry, but it's true.:crazyboy:

Over-rated? I really don't think so. But I'll tell you what FIFA is. It's a total misrepresentation of what real football is all about. Ever notice that FIFA seems to be the only soccer game that non-soccer fans like. That's probably because it's not really soccer.

1) Yourself, because youre in "complete" control of your game/destiny/etc. despite your opponent having unfair advantages. You only have yourself to blame.

A skillful player with loads of ability, justified self confidence and a bit of luck should be able to beat his skill button pressing unskilled friend, unless the friend is better than the skillful one and uses the skill buttons as well

2) Your friend, for using fake/unrealistic moves for the sake of winning. C'mon, wheres the dignity?

People who use the skill buttons to run up and down the field just aren't playing the game that the way it was intended. I'm sure that's true, but I wonder, EA are a bit dodgy :)

3) the game, for allowing cheap/unfair moves that totally ruins the Beautiful Game.

Well I think this point has been discussed in depth already, so there is no need to comment. I'm sure you will agree :)

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Some good points there I must say, but if half the people that post here are anything like me, then you'll understand that I DO NOT LIKE TO LOSE!

Of course if I've lost, tough, I still don't like it and short of creating a time machine to go back in time, there is nothing I can do about it.

Originally posted by bertkamp16

. Ever notice that FIFA seems to be the only soccer game that non-soccer fans like. That's probably because it's not really soccer.

Actually thats not true IMO.

PES got gameplay!!! thats what matters.

My sister for example despite not a verey fan of football she can enjoy PES, but not Fifa......Fifa is for edit maniacs hehe :p, whom rather edit than play.

Just look at the Fifa boards wishlist`s all bout to include all 1111 leagues, new faces, real kits etc, etc.


Yes am being steriotyped ;), but that`s the impression i get anyway.

Originally posted by bulldrig


Actually thats not true IMO.
PES got gameplay!!! thats what matters.
My sister for example despite not a verey fan of football she can enjoy PES, but not Fifa......Fifa is for edit maniacs hehe :p, whom rather edit than play.
Just look at the Fifa boards wishlist`s all bout to include all 1111 leagues, new faces, real kits etc, etc.
Yes am being steriotyped ;), but that`s the impression i get anyway.

You have one example (your sister) supporting your claim, but I can think of SO MANY people that don't at all like soccer that absolutely LOVE FIFA. Just read most American reviews of FIFA, you know, those guys that give it a 9 out of ten and their article begins, " I have to be honest, I'm not really a fan of soccer..."

I don't like the argument that is made that you can play FIFA with out using realistic moves or real players don't use unrealistic moves or people that use unrealistic moves are not playing the game the way it was intended to be played.

The problem is not he moves themselves, but it's that they are darn easy to pull off. I don't the idea of modifying the way you play so that the game plays differently or 'more realistic'. For every game, there are laws (just like the laws of physics....which some games tend to ignore). The player (us) uses all the laws to do what they want to do, i.e. move the ball upfield and score goals (just like man uses combustion engines to fly because physics says flying by-thyself is not recommended).

When the player (us) has to say, you know, I can beat this defender with XYZ move, but because i want this game to be realistic...I'll use Sonic speed instead, then there is a problem with the game. Because I know (in real life) if Overmars is 1 v 1 with someone, he is going to freaking pull out a special move. Whether he gets past the person or not is 50% chance, some games it is 90%.

As for ISS being over-rated...okay, what's the point?

Originally posted by the_man
I don't like the argument that is made that you can play FIFA with out using realistic moves or real players don't use unrealistic moves or people that use unrealistic moves are not playing the game the way it was intended to be played.

The problem is not he moves themselves, but it's that they are darn easy to pull off. I don't the idea of modifying the way you play so that the game plays differently or 'more realistic'. For every game, there are laws (just like the laws of physics....which some games tend to ignore). The player (us) uses all the laws to do what they want to do, i.e. move the ball upfield and score goals (just like man uses combustion engines to fly because physics says flying by-thyself is not recommended).

When the player (us) has to say, you know, I can beat this defender with XYZ move, but because i want this game to be realistic...I'll use Sonic speed instead, then there is a problem with the game. Because I know (in real life) if Overmars is 1 v 1 with someone, he is going to freaking pull out a special move. Whether he gets past the person or not is 50% chance, some games it is 90%.

As for ISS being over-rated...okay, what's the point?

As always buddy, well said.:) I especially like this:" Because I know (in real life) if Overmars is 1 v 1 with someone, he is going to freaking pull out a special move. Whether he gets past the person or not is 50% chance, some games it is 90%."
True that, true that...

Bottom line, every single individual will play the game in his/her own manner, nobody can say any different, we all have our own playing styles as no two people are alike. As for me, as I said before I don't like using the skill moves. I'm not telling anybody not to, just to stop complaining about them in the first place.

Go ahead, argue those points until your blue in the face, everyone has their own opinion, but you can't force your opinions on to someone else.

Originally posted by Carver


ISS IS over-rated. Sorry, but it's true.:crazyboy:

Yeah its overrated alright....its not a hundred times better than fifa, but only just 99 times!:D

The undisputed, undefeated, pound per pound the best soccer video game in the history of video games; ladies and gentleman needing no introduction is: ISS Pro Evolution series 1&2, for the PS one. I'd probably played around 100 soccer video games; with the top three being:

ISS Pro Evolution 2 (PS one)
ISS Pro Evolution 1 (PS one)
FIFA International Soccer 95 (Sega Genesis)

No other game brings you closer to the experience of soccer as ISS does. This game anables you to experience all faces of the game; defence and offence. You might not be as explosive on offense but your great defence might keep you in the game. You really have to play this game in order to get to like it. EA sports forgot about what soccer is really about. EA tried to North Americanise the game by making it high scoring, going as far as making the scores look like basketball scores. With no defence to show for. Soccer is about passion, hussle, character, honor and sportmanship; one goal being the climax of a great play of the strugle of the battle. No other game brings you closer to that experience than ISS pro evolution, thus; making it the best ever. Remember that is not about the greatest grafics or having every possible FIFA licence or all the options in the world, it's about bringing you closer to the experience of the game. Sure it would be great to have the amazing grafics and all the licences and the tons of options. Hopefully the XBOX can make it possible if not i'm sure someone down the road will.


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