I've supporting PELE (The legend)..Anyone wanna comment???
Mirror..mirror......Who's the greatest of them all???

Well, it's way before my time, but i'd have to say Pele

Yeah...PELE is the best

Pele is best !
Maradona and Van Basten after him.

pele without a doubt!!!

I've seen them both play from various sources. Pele is better! But that's only my opinion.

Pele is the best...!!!! no doubt...!!!

I can't judge because I saw very few Pele games :(

On the other hand, I followed Argentina's carrer in 86, 90 and 94; I also caught a dozen of Napoli games and various highlight films...
Maradona was the best player I have ever seen play. He was so good that it is hard for me to imagine someone play above that level. If Pele was really better, then he was definitely the best.

how can u even ask that question

PELE
PELE
PELE
PELE
!!!!!!

DIEGO ARMANDO MARADONA

gheorghe hagi :)

how can you even ak this question ...
its like what's nicer .. Brussel Sprouts or Ice Cream ?

PELE is the man

maradona isn't worth ****

Originally posted by ShearerM4
..............

maradona isn't worth ****

WTF !!! ????


Maradona and Pele are legends and in my opinion i have no right to say who is better.:o

yeah sure but ...
people saying that Maradonna was any good and better than Pele
just shows how much moral they hve and self estime.
people that are the same usually stick together

Even if you don't like Maradona for what he did off the field, you have to admit the man was a football genius. I don't think genius like his and Pele's can be compared. As far as I'm concerned, they were both footballing gods!!!

Originally posted by terrorcop
gheorghe hagi :)

Ya

lol:p

yeah sure but ...
people saying that Maradonna was any good and better than Pele
just shows how much moral they hve and self estime.
people that are the same usually stick together[

what!!!! :mad: shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!




pd: pele left the family to go away with a woman......this is Moral ...jejej.

LONG Live PELE. Maradona.........I dunno what to say but If u guys see PELE playing, no doubt at all.
PELE is the best. The Legend

the little gnome was a cheat on and offthe pitch
and therefor
deserves no respect whatso ever
end of story

PELE, with no doubt, especially bcoz of what Maradona did off the field.

MARADONA

Alright I'll switch my answer

MARADONA:D :D

No comparison.. Maradona was a magician with the ball and with mediocre teams made them champions. His genius alone carried the team. Also the football competition in Maradona's time was much harder than when Pele played. Maradona would get fouled like 20 times in a game while in Pele's time they would let him play. Pele never played in Europe..maybe he was afraid of failure? Pele always played next to other football greats that were just as good as Pele...Garrincha, Rivelino, etc.. But what is more important than who was better..is how badly the world misses football genius' like those 2 legends. After Pele and Maradona retired no one ever came close to their skill and magic. :(

I’m argentinian and with Maradona I have a love-hate feeling. Hate because some opinions and attitudes outside and inside the field. Love because when I see a player so superior to the rest, so gifted and talented who is the maximum expression of a football player, he make me believe in God and I’m not a believer. I hope, some day another Maradona appears.

Definitely Maradona

PS: Sorry England people, I know that 86 goal wasn’t right, but don’t blame the genius who fake the referee and linesman, blame them. What do you pretend?

Originally posted by El_GaLLo
After Pele and Maradona retired no one ever came close to their skill and magic. :(

Ronalso 3-4 years ago:( Another wasted talent:( I hope Saviola will be as good as in Champ Man series;)

Originally posted by El_GaLLo
...in Pele's time they would let him play...

They would not!! Don't you know what happened to Pele at the '66 World Cup?? And even though Pele never played in Europe, he more than proved his skills during the WC's he played in. As for competition being much harder during Maradona's time, I doubt that. Their primes were only about 10-15 years apart. Do you really think soccer came THAT far in such a small amount of time??

I am amazed when seeing his skills..OMG....But Maradona he won't use skills very much, he only runs passing the players..
I guess this year's greatest player will be me:D :D

What about free kick taker

Beckham or Veron???

I think 'Beckham'..anyone else

One thing I've seen over the years is that most Latin Americans like Maradona more then Pele. As for non-Latins like Pele. I have never seen Pele play in a game (only short highlights), so I don't
know which one is better.

I remember Pele saying in an interview at Maradona's farewell game that he was happy being the second best player in history.

Also when FIFA had the player of the century or something Pele won it but Maradona got more votes by the fans voting.

Originally posted by crackerz
What about free kick taker

Beckham or Veron???

I think 'Beckham'..anyone else


Maradona :)

pele had it all he was fast very skillful was a good header of the ball, was a good free kick player, good dribbler, he was also very consistent he played at a high level for a number of years finally he was a great sports man. unlike maradona who caught using performance enhancing substances

some very very wise words blacki !!

diego is a dump ... if you saw him in that testimonial game ... it made me wanna puke .. just shows the carracter of the man ... a dustbin on legs i'd say !!
and it reflects very wel what he ws like in his playing years

Originally posted by blacki
pele had it all he was fast very skillful was a good header of the ball, was a good free kick player, good dribbler, he was also very consistent he played at a high level for a number of years finally he was a great sports man. unlike maradona who caught using performance enhancing substances

Good words blacki.....Keep it up..PELE is the best

Maradona will only be rememebered for winning the World Cup in 1986, winning the Italian double, UEFA Cup and another scudetto with Napoli, and best remembered for being banned several times for drugs. (Did Maradona use performance enhancing drugs, I remember him being banned for recreational drugs, he might of but I'm not sure, but he has taken rec ****)


Pele never touch any kind of **** at all. He still has his head screwed on, his ambition is to become President of Brazil, and an interesting fact about Pele during his playing days. His sheer presence in Nigeria during the Biafra war was enough for both sides to call a temporary truce so that they could both see him play, was Maradona ever able to do that, no, did maradona do anything remotely close to that, no. Pele kicks Maradona' sorry drug ridden ass both on and off the pitch.

Originally posted by ShearerM4
diego is a dump ... if you saw him in that testimonial game ... it made me wanna puke .. just shows the carracter of the man ... a dustbin on legs i'd say !!
and it reflects very wel what he ws like in his playing years

This kind of opinions makes me feel petty, specially when I see so much hate based on envy. Maradona and Pele were genious. I don’t like some Maradona attitudes, but no one can deny he was a superb player. I can´t understand how people who love football (because this forum is for people who really love this game) can disqualify a player because the way he looks, talks and acts in his private life.
What about Cantona, Gullit, Stoicov, Fowler, even Pele (his sexual initiation was with a transvestite), who care about their behaviour in their life, they where GREAT players.

Please stop the hate and recognize Maradona as a football genius.

Originally posted by burrito


This kind of opinions makes me feel petty, specially when I see so much hate based on envy. Maradona and Pele were genious. I don’t like some Maradona attitudes, but no one can deny he was a superb player. I can´t understand how people who love football (because this forum is for people who really love this game) can disqualify a player because the way he looks, talks and acts in his private life.
What about Cantona, Gullit, Stoicov, Fowler, even Pele (his sexual initiation was with a transvestite), who care about their behaviour in their life, they where GREAT players.

Please stop the hate and recognize Maradona as a football genius.

Good one ¡¡¡

This kind of opinions makes me feel petty, specially when I see so much hate based on envy. Maradona and Pele were genious. I don’t like some Maradona attitudes, but no one can deny he was a superb player. I can´t understand how people who love football (because this forum is for people who really love this game) can disqualify a player because the way he looks, talks and acts in his private life.

good one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!:D :D :D :D

well you jsut said it then ....
yeah off the pitch we don't care ....

and maradona was the same on the pitch as off ..a low scumbag cheating and drugster

as long as it's kept outta the game of course it's no problem

How come everybody R supporting Maradona....Where's the PELE's FANS???? COME ON guys...don't be scared

Originally posted by crackerz
How come everybody R supporting Maradona....Where's the PELE's FANS???? COME ON guys...don't be scared

Go maradona

Viva Hugo Sanchez

Originally posted by ShearerM4
........and maradona was the same on the pitch as off ..a low scumbag cheating and drugster

.............

how come u think EVERYONE except Shearer is a cheat !:rolleyes:

Originally posted by burrito


This kind of opinions makes me feel petty, specially when I see so much hate based on envy. Maradona and Pele were genious. I don’t like some Maradona attitudes, but no one can deny he was a superb player. I can´t understand how people who love football (because this forum is for people who really love this game) can disqualify a player because the way he looks, talks and acts in his private life.

Pele was better on the pitch, yet not by much. Pele is still putting into the game of football, and is a good symbol for not just Brazilian youth, yet youth around the world. Maradona is nowhere near a good role model. This is what gives Pele the edge over Maradona, as well as his playing ability. I still think Maradona was a great player, but not as good as Pele.

Originally posted by IceBlu

how come u think EVERYONE except Shearer is a cheat !:rolleyes:
what ??? when did I say that ?
I'm only beeing objective unlike many people in this forum

maradona was a cheat .. you can't deny it . inzaghi is also and many other players i dislike...
I'm onlystating the obvious

Pele

The one and only!


I'm sure he must have had some Scottish Blood in him!!

Originally posted by burrito


This kind of opinions makes me feel petty, specially when I see so much hate based on envy. Maradona and Pele were genious. I don’t like some Maradona attitudes, but no one can deny he was a superb player. I can´t understand how people who love football (because this forum is for people who really love this game) can disqualify a player because the way he looks, talks and acts in his private life.
What about Cantona, Gullit, Stoicov, Fowler, even Pele (his sexual initiation was with a transvestite), who care about their behaviour in their life, they where GREAT players.

Please stop the hate and recognize Maradona as a football genius.

Very well said, burrito. :) :)

WTF!!!

I'm Argentinean, so, obviously I prefer MARADONA

I think he Was, Is, Will be the better forever.



IT's my personal Opinion, and I think that it's respectable.

How can you even compare Maradona to Pele? At least Beckenbawer, Biaggio or even Kempes where much better than the brazilian, even in Brazil many think that Garrincha was better than Pele. But comparing pele to Maradona would be like comparing a kart racer to a Formula I pilot.
Maradona played and exceded in the best teams OF THE WORLD (Boca, Barcelona, Napoli, etc) while pele anly did so locally (except his circus act at Cosmos). At the time of pele, soccer was almost amateur compared to what it is today, with all the technology and media to the millions worldwide, this preassure drove poor Diego on his destruction path but nobody can erase his world impact on soccer.

PELE RulesSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Maradona ****

MARADONA RULESSSSSSSSSS

HE IS THE ONLY ONE!

PELE DOESN'T EXISTS


PELE IS......***T
Maradona is the King.

cya

Originally posted by Exocet
How can you even compare Maradona to Pele? At least Beckenbawer, Biaggio or even Kempes where much better than the brazilian, even in Brazil many think that Garrincha was better than Pele. But comparing pele to Maradona would be like comparing a kart racer to a Formula I pilot.
Maradona played and exceded in the best teams OF THE WORLD (Boca, Barcelona, Napoli, etc) while pele anly did so locally (except his circus act at Cosmos). At the time of pele, soccer was almost amateur compared to what it is today, with all the technology and media to the millions worldwide, this preassure drove poor Diego on his destruction path but nobody can erase his world impact on soccer.

dude, are you SANE??? You are correct saying that Pele can't be compared with Maradona, but saying Pele that someone is BETTER THAN PELE!!! Pele and Maradona are football GODS.

PELÉ scored 1281 GOALS in official games.
MARADONA scored ONLY 154 GOALS! :rolleyes:

I think just this can answer the question...
But if u want more...

Pelé participated of 4 world cups.
In 3 of them was champion.
And in the other one he was injured in the first game.

Pele IS the best.

Why he not played in Europe?
Santiago Bernabeu (president of Real Madrid in that year) invited Pelé to play in the Real Madrid, but New York Cosmos already had talked with Pelé and offered $ 7.000.000 if Pelé go to play in the USA years later... Pelé accepted for the money and coz Beckenbauer promised that also would go to play in the Cosmos if Pele goes to the USA.(Pele always dreamed to play with Beckenbauer).

http://www.cbhp.ua.edu/~camp/1997/session2/david/pele1.gif



PELÉ scored 1281 GOALS in official games.
MARADONA scored ONLY 154 GOALS!
Sorry, but I don't speak english and may be errors on this message :D

Originally posted by tiagosoares

Sorry, but I don't speak english and may be errors on this message :D [/B]
lol
don't worry man ...
the message was petty clear !!!
and had a lo of sense in it !!!

some very shocking words in this thread... at least we know where some people stand now

Originally posted by fede
MARADONA RULESSSSSSSSSS

HE IS THE ONLY ONE!

PELE DOESN'T EXISTS


PELE IS......***T
Maradona is the King.

cya

Yeah,
U R saying that because U R from Argentina..
Eventhough I'm from malaysia, I'm supporting PELE.
PELE IS the best compared to others....

Originally posted by tiagosoares
[B]PELÉ scored 1281 GOALS in official games.
MARADONA scored ONLY 154 GOALS! :rolleyes:



What can I say?
Pelé is the best... no doubt....

So pele made a bunch of goals so?? that was hes work, maradona played in the mid almos all the time his work was to use he imagination to create plays, and he had a very good imagination

Originally posted by Pancho
One thing I've seen over the years is that most Latin Americans like Maradona more then Pele. As for non-Latins like Pele. I have never seen Pele play in a game (only short highlights), so I don't
know which one is better.

I remember Pele saying in an interview at Maradona's farewell game that he was happy being the second best player in history.

Also when FIFA had the player of the century or something Pele won it but Maradona got more votes by the fans voting.


Pele was ironic answering that he was happy being the second one. A f u c k i n g reporter from Argentina asked the question "how do you feel being the second best playes in history??". Of course Pelé didn't want to begin any "fight" at that moment so he answered that way. A very good action by Pelé. But we can't say the same about the argentinian reporter...

Stupid people are the ones who not get Pelé's irony.. he was tired of being annoyed by other people about that question of losing the FIFA prize...

Maradona got more votes by the fans voting, by the internet!! So many argentinians went to the internet and voted on Maradona. Many people around the world didn't know about that poll from FIFA...

So FIFA get Pelé as the number one of the football history, and that's right, with no doubt!! :D :cool:


(sorry for crap english...)

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by emmer



Pele was ironic answering that he was happy being the second one. A f u c k i n g reporter from Argentina asked the question "how do you feel being the second best playes in history??". Of course Pelé didn't want to begin any "fight" at that moment so he answered that way. A very good action by Pelé. But we can't say the same about the argentinian reporter...

Stupid people are the ones who not get Pelé's irony.. he was tired of being annoyed by other people about that question of losing the FIFA prize...

Maradona got more votes by the fans voting, by the internet!! So many argentinians went to the internet and voted on Maradona. Many people around the world didn't know about that poll from FIFA...

So FIFA get Pelé as the number one of the football history, and that's right, with no doubt!! :D :cool:


(sorry for crap english...)

:rolleyes:

Exactly...:) :p

Pele was good 2nd
Maradona was Better 1st

Pele was good 1st
Maradona was Better 2nd

Now that's correct :D :D

hehehehe :D

well i know Pelé is the 1st

but, hey argentinians don't kick me, i am not sure if maradona is the 2nd... i gotta think better about that... cruyff, beckenbauer, garrincha... hard question

(btw, there is any argentinian here who thinks Pelé is better than Maradona???) :crazyboy:

Originally posted by crackerz
Pele was good 1st
Maradona was Better 2nd

Now that's correct :D :D

That doesnt make sense:rolleyes:

Pele was not better
Pele is better
Pele is not died

Originally posted by Gigio
Pele was not better
Pele is better
Pele is not died

Pele was better
Pele is better
Pele is the greatest of all time :crazyboy:

Originally posted by Mauricio


That doesnt make sense:rolleyes:

What doesn't make sense

Pele was the greatest
Maradona was second
crackerz was third:D :p

Pele and Maradona can't be compared.

Originally posted by Parra Power
Pele and Maradona can't be compared.


exactly, pelé is much better :D

If the 2 had a one on one at fotball, Pele, despite being 20 years older than Maradona, would whip Maradona's ass

ill say pele cause maradona just didnt make it for me.

HA

I don't care about Pele. I just care about 1986 ... in Mexico ....

Maradona 2 - England 1

Argentina continues and England went home.

O yes, Pele plays against the Nazis with Michael Caine and Silvester Stallone :D

Stop the hate and the envy against Maradona.

Originally posted by burrito
I don't care about Pele. I just care about 1986 ... in Mexico ....

Maradona 2 - England 1

Argentina continues and England went home.

O yes, Pele plays against the Nazis with Michael Caine and Silvester Stallone :D

Stop the hate and the envy against Maradona.

That was a very bad movie :rolleyes:, Silvester Stallone was the GK jaja

Originally posted by Parra Power
Pele and Maradona can't be compared.

Who said that???
PELE Is the best so do all the 1970's Brazil Team
GARINCHA
RIVELINO

and so on

Originally posted by burrito
I don't care about Pele. I just care about 1986 ... in Mexico ....
Maradona 2 - England 1
Argentina continues and England went home.

that's what's sick about you maradona & argentina lovers
.. is that you're actually proud of what he did

wow, what a stupid question!!!

Pelé was much better........

Any of you guys older then 30 years?

That question is so dumb......... of course Maradona is the answer.
Pele always played with monsters alone his side (Tostao, Gerson, Zito, Rivelinho, Garrincha, Jairzihno......i can go on 2 or 3 more lines....) while Diego played with such a stars like Tata Brown, Garre, Pasculli, Cucciuffo, etc.... i know what you thinking: who the hell are those people?? well, there you have the answer then.

Maradona alone took Napoli to win the first scudetto in their history!!!! and we are talking about the most competitive football league of all: the italian.

Besides, Diego made the most fantastic goal of all times, (and the most illegal goal of all times too), all in 10 minutes...

One more thing: Maradona is the more famous and idolized human being on the world. Countries like Bangladesh, have made popular manifestations on the streets on his name...

Diego is Diego.
Pele is the number one.
Diego is The Only One.

mcclaine.

<QUOTE>Originally posted by tiagosoares
[B]PELÉ scored 1281 GOALS in official games.
MARADONA scored ONLY 154 GOALS! :rolleyes:

I think just this can answer the question...
But if u want more...

Pelé participated of 4 world cups.
In 3 of them was champion.
And in the other one he was injured in the first game.

Pele IS the best.

Why he not played in Europe?
Santiago Bernabeu (president of Real Madrid in that year) invited Pelé to play in the Real Madrid, but New York Cosmos already had talked with Pelé and offered $ 7.000.000 if Pelé go to play in the USA years later... Pelé accepted for the money and coz Beckenbauer promised that also would go to play in the Cosmos if Pele goes to the USA.(Pele always dreamed to play with Beckenbauer).
</quote>
__________________________________________________ _

Sorry Dude, but i have to answer your post....
I have to add one thing about the 3 times he was champion: he only played two games, cos he was injured. That was 1962, in Chile, so counting that world cup is ridiculous.

And another thing. When you said the Pele was transfered to Cosmos, that was after the mexican world cup!!! So, i'm thinking: how is that no one get him before..... and excuse me, but i'm not talking about some Jurassic era were players didn't got transfered over millon bucks.... i'm talking the same age where others players were transfered like Alfredo Distefano (from River Plate to Real Madrid) or Sivori (from River Plate to Juventus), just to name a few....

mcclaine

Originally posted by ytwoaone
Maradona will only be rememebered for winning the World Cup in 1986, winning the Italian double, UEFA Cup and another scudetto with Napoli, and best remembered for being banned several times for drugs. (Did Maradona use performance enhancing drugs, I remember him being banned for recreational drugs, he might of but I'm not sure, but he has taken rec ****)


Pele never touch any kind of **** at all. He still has his head screwed on, his ambition is to become President of Brazil, and an interesting fact about Pele during his playing days. His sheer presence in Nigeria during the Biafra war was enough for both sides to call a temporary truce so that they could both see him play, was Maradona ever able to do that, no, did maradona do anything remotely close to that, no. Pele kicks Maradona' sorry drug ridden ass both on and off the pitch.

At least Maradona has the balls to admit his problems, unlike Pele who hides behind that stupid smile all his mobsters activities (like keeping a change of 700.000 dolars for a friendly match for UNICEF that never got made) or changing the regulations for the brazilian league, just to benefits his own NEW company) read about it, if you think i'm making this up. Or ask Zico, another great brazilian player who among others have accussed him.

SO, cut the sh*t on how good and pure is Pele and how bad and evil is Maradona.

mcclaine

Originally posted by mcclaine71


At least Maradona has the balls to admit his problems, unlike Pele who hides behind that stupid smile all his mobsters activities (like keeping a change of 700.000 dolars for a friendly match for UNICEF that never got made) or changing the regulations for the brazilian league, just to benefits his own NEW company) read about it, if you think i'm making this up. Or ask Zico, another great brazilian player who among others have accussed him.

SO, cut the sh*t on how good and pure is Pele and how bad and evil is Maradona.

mcclaine

The UNICEF thing was not his fault, but you say it trying to get Pelé worst... :crazyboy:

Anyway, 4 reasons I think one person can think Maradona is better than Pelé:

1. The person is from Argentina
2. The person has seen many videos of Maradona and/or knows a lot about his carreer.
3. The person has seen few videos of Pelé and/or knows a little bit about his carreer.
4. The person doesn't understand about football and/or doesn't like it.

Originally posted by mcclaine71
That question is so dumb......... of course PELE is the answer.


hehe now that's correct

Originally posted by mcclaine71


unlike Pele who hides behind that stupid smile all his mobsters activities (like keeping a change of 700.000 dolars for a friendly match for UNICEF that never got made) or changing the regulations for the brazilian league, just to benefits his own NEW company) read about it, if you think i'm making this up.
SO, cut the sh*t on how good and pure is Pele and how bad and evil is Maradona.

mcclaine


So what ??? We're talking about football .

of course we're talking about football.
i just said that cos someone start with the drug thing.

so, anyone can have their own opinion about Pele, Maradona, or anyone being the greatest player of all times.

just don't start talking about that he is a srew up, he takes drugs...etc.

You like Pele? good for you. I like Maradona, so what?

This thread is getting nowhere.

Maradona and Pele where both football genius and everybody who love this game really miss them.
Some people idolize Maradona irrationally.
Some peope hate Maradona irrationally
Pele statistics are better, but in different years with different leagues with different quality teams.
Distefano and Sivori both Argentineans born from Spanish and Italian families and they got the Spanish and Italian passport, and there where easily integrate to that’s leagues. I think Pele doesn’t have that benefit. He would succeed in Europe. NO DOUBT.
Maradona rules in every team and league he played.
Pele too.
Pele won a world cup at 18
Maradona was stupidly relegated by Menotti from Argentina 78 team (he was part of the 25 preselected players with 17 years old), and that team was the world cup winner.
Maradona won an under-20 world cup being the team leader and best player
Pele made more than 1000 goals
Maradona make the most beautiful goal in a world cup.
Maradona creates great strikers from regular players (Alves, R. Diaz, Brindisi, Careca, Sucker …)
Pele could shot with both legs, run 100mts in 11 sec and he was a great header.
Maradona’s left feet is more precise than a hand.
Pele was violent with defenders (that’s a fact).
Some Maradona’s attitudes are a shame.
Both made a lot of charity games.
Both are excellent people.

Who wins?

FOOTBALL

Yes, I’m over 30 and I miss this guys ….

Originally posted by burrito
This thread is getting nowhere.

Maradona and Pele where both football genius and everybody who love this game really miss them.
Some people idolize Maradona irrationally.
Some peope hate Maradona irrationally
Pele statistics are better, but in different years with different leagues with different quality teams.
Distefano and Sivori both Argentineans born from Spanish and Italian families and they got the Spanish and Italian passport, and there where easily integrate to that’s leagues. I think Pele doesn’t have that benefit. He would succeed in Europe. NO DOUBT.
Maradona rules in every team and league he played.
Pele too.
Pele won a world cup at 18
Maradona was stupidly relegated by Menotti from Argentina 78 team (he was part of the 25 preselected players with 17 years old), and that team was the world cup winner.
Maradona won an under-20 world cup being the team leader and best player
Pele made more than 1000 goals
Maradona make the most beautiful goal in a world cup.
Maradona creates great strikers from regular players (Alves, R. Diaz, Brindisi, Careca, Sucker …)
Pele could shot with both legs, run 100mts in 11 sec and he was a great header.
Maradona’s left feet is more precise than a hand.
Pele was violent with defenders (that’s a fact).
Some Maradona’s attitudes are a shame.
Both made a lot of charity games.
Both are excellent people.

Who wins?

FOOTBALL

Yes, I’m over 30 and I miss this guys ….

that is something i agree with.

Originally posted by burrito
This thread is getting nowhere.

Maradona and Pele where both football genius and everybody who love this game really miss them.
Some people idolize Maradona irrationally.
Some peope hate Maradona irrationally
Pele statistics are better, but in different years with different leagues with different quality teams.
Distefano and Sivori both Argentineans born from Spanish and Italian families and they got the Spanish and Italian passport, and there where easily integrate to that’s leagues. I think Pele doesn’t have that benefit. He would succeed in Europe. NO DOUBT.
Maradona rules in every team and league he played.
Pele too.
Pele won a world cup at 18
Maradona was stupidly relegated by Menotti from Argentina 78 team (he was part of the 25 preselected players with 17 years old), and that team was the world cup winner.
Maradona won an under-20 world cup being the team leader and best player
Pele made more than 1000 goals
Maradona make the most beautiful goal in a world cup.
Maradona creates great strikers from regular players (Alves, R. Diaz, Brindisi, Careca, Sucker …)
Pele could shot with both legs, run 100mts in 11 sec and he was a great header.
Maradona’s left feet is more precise than a hand.
Pele was violent with defenders (that’s a fact).
Some Maradona’s attitudes are a shame.
Both made a lot of charity games.
Both are excellent people.

Who wins?

FOOTBALL

Yes, I’m over 30 and I miss this guys ….

Very, very, well said burrito! I totally agree.:)

Yeah,
Nice 1 Burrito.
I like PELE cause I've think that I've seen every match of PELE played. I also seen Maradona's matches but I prefer PELE cause He's the man...I think we can't compare both of them but I think maybe someday we can:rolleyes:

you all say " pele pele" but what did he do?? He played in a time period where soccer was not as competitive (watch the videos, he mostly just out runs the fat european defenders), he never played in europe (just santos in brazil and cosmos in the USA), when brazil was world cup champion he played alongside some of the greatest players of all time (garrincha, vava, socrates, don't remember all of them but certainly one of the greatest midfields ever) ... yes, he scored plenty of goals, but the supposed thousand goals he scored have been proven to be more like 400 (the greatest goal scorer of all time is Puskas with over 600). he may have been a good striker, but is that really that special? how many times do leagues go through top scorers? if you ask me, the special players are the ones who can distribute play in a team and pick it up; today, zidane is without a doubt the best at that function. Of all time, my vote goes to maradona- he played at the most competitive level, on mediocre teams, and turned them into giants. He did all that on the basis of skill and intelligent play, not due to physical strength. And if you all think he is such a bad person bla bla bla, at least he never stole money like pele did, nor did he betray his roots like pele did.

Go to soccer statistic sites and show me the figures on pele. He didnt do ****. There are plenty of other players i'd take over him, beginning with the midfield that allowed him his claim to fame.

now that i read everything i see my points were made.. just want to say to shearerM4 that his attitude is of a sad small-minded brit!

how did england win its only world cup ever??? do you even know??? NO BRIT CAN COMPLAIN ABOUT THE REFEREEING IN MEXICO 86 BECAUSE IN ENGLAND 66 ARGENTINA WAS ROBBED JUST AS BADLY. so quit your whining, referees **** up everywhere; if maradona was only about that one goal he wouldnt have been able to dribble the entire british team ten minutes later

and if british players are so great, show me how many play outside of england. maybe its because they aint worth **** anywhere else

Man I can't believe that this Thead is still going on ..... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by sudaca10
now that i read everything i see my points were made.. just want to say to shearerM4 that his attitude is of a sad small-minded brit!
LOL ... well you can't blame me for i .. coz that's what I am a Brit
even if you put that hand of god incident asside ... diego is still a little git there's no denying it

Originally posted by sudaca10
and if british players are so great, show me how many play outside of england
??? that doesn't even mean anything ...
the reason why they don't leave the EPL is coz it's the best league to be playing in ..... :D so your comment doesn't make much sense.

shows how farsighted you are.. yes you are absolutely right the EPL sure is great entertaining futbol with most games ending at 1-0, one team dominating season after season... although there is a humorous side to seeing how many tries it takes a brit to place a cross correctly for an incoming striker!!

jokes aside the EPL is improving slightly, but still doesnt have the pace or technique of Italian or even -gulp- Spanish leagues

Paul Gascoigne is ten times the git maradona is, and not even near a 100th of what diego was on the field. That drug bull**** you want to discredit him with makes no sense. He abused cocaine which is hardly a performance enhancing drug, and played like a champ despite the effects of coke on his body. Players now have been discovered across europe taking steroids like creatine and i bet you dont give a rats ass- that is a lot dirtier than what maradona did, that is like cheating for a physical edge, really the opposite of what maradona did. Dont soccer players have rights to a personal life, just like any other citizen?? Don't citizens have a right to determine what they can or cannot put into their own body??? Obviously athletes have to be controlled so there are no advantages, but it is pretty clear that Maradona's drug problem had little to do with improving his body for sport

do yo realise that you'e only talking cheap nosense there ?

everything you said can be proved wrong :crazyboy: :crazyboy:

so please let it go ... you're not going anywhere
go watch your argentenian dudes kick the ball around and stop insulting yourself with you lack of knowledge

ok, now this is really really funny.....
first of all, i have nothing against Englang. In fact, (believe it or not), i love th UK. I love the language, the style, THE MUSIC rules and beat the sh*t out of every other musics.... but, in football? you are middle-class, man.... the only thing you did better than anyone, was to create the rules for the game. That's all.

I can easily destroy the brits with facts.

1- You can't put yourself at our football level, cos you only won one miserable World Cup, and at your country.

want more?

2- You can't put yourself at our football level, 'cos you never won any U-20 World Cup. We did it four (4) times.

you want more?

3- You can't put yourself at our football level, 'cos you are not even capable of wining a stupid Eurocup....! We won the Copa America (the equal to that cup) 14 times.

maybe some more...

4- You can't put yourself at our football level, because when you talk about your "high level league" it happens to sucks too. You only won one (1) Intercontinental Cup (the maximun award for clubs) The poor fans had to wait 39 years to win the only one.... when Manchester won it in 1999. We won 8 of that one....

i can go on.....

5 You can't put yourself at our football level, because:
a) you are not the leader at clubs level in your continent (WE ARE)
b) your are not the leader at clubs level in the whole world either, of course (WE ARE)
c) your are not the leader in world cups at nations level, obviously.
d) your are not the leader in eurocups at nations level.

so, you are nothing. and i'm playing with your rules (facts) not just a dumb "England league is the best, duhh!"
keep trying! you have a whole new century to learn how to play football and maybe win something one day!

you say im talkin nonsense and that you can disprove everything i said, so where are your facts and your argument?? you are right about one thing though, there is nothing to gain from arguing with a brick wall like yourself.

talk is cheap, so i'll just patiently wait for the 7th of june when Argentina romps england 2 - 0 (the score would be higher, but since you brits cant do a damn thing but hang off your goal's crossbar and kick our players it will be a typically british game: violent, slow, and boring) At least the end will be good entertainment as we see the british fans resolve their frustrations the only way they know how: getting drunk and beating themselves silly. A great display for soccer fans the world over!

It looks like there gonna be a fight!!:rolleyes:

i wish there could be one

i'd show him if I'm fat and slow ...
id do my nation proud by kicking his teeth in :D :D

1- You can't put yourself at our football level, cos you only won one miserable World Cup, and at your country.

-ONLY ONE?? At least they won one. There are plenty of fantastic footballing countries that have never won one. Argentina has won two, nothing compared to Brazil's 4. Therefore, throwing around Argentina's world cups doesn't make sense.

2- You can't put yourself at our football level, 'cos you never won any U-20 World Cup. We did it four (4) times.

-You gotta be kidding us...don't tell me you really think anybody gives a flying f*ck about the U-20 WC? I mean, it's nice to win it, but it not really something to go bragging about. Come on man. Spain has won it. 'Nuff said. Have they gone on to win a World Cup? I don't think so.

3- You can't put yourself at our football level, 'cos you are not even capable of wining a stupid Eurocup....! We won the Copa America (the equal to that cup) 14 times.

-Oh my god...PLEASE, I BEG YOU, PLEASE DON'T TELL ME YOU THINK THAT THE COPA AMERICA IS EQUAL TO THE EUROPEAN CUP! YOU MUST BE MAD. It may be the European Cup's South American counterpart, but there is not way on earth that Copa America is it's "equal." There's a reason Argentina has won it 14 times, Slick...the only real competition they have is Brazil and the occasional dark horse. So PLEASE, don't compare the European Cup to Copa America. As Uli Hoeness, the German soccer great said last year during Copa America, "Copa America is a Mickey Mouse event."

4- You can't put yourself at our football level, because when you talk about your "high level league" it happens to sucks too. You only won one (1) Intercontinental Cup (the maximun award for clubs) The poor fans had to wait 39 years to win the only one.... when Manchester won it in 1999. We won 8 of that one....

-Again, I ask you, do you really think anyone gives a flying f*ck about the Intercontinental Cup?? First of all, it is NOT the highest honor for a football club, the UEFA Champion's Cup is. There's a reason for that. The best clubs in the world play in Europe. And the Champion's cup is for the best of the best. Period. Believe me, my friend, the "poor" fans weren't exactly waiting a British club to win it. I'm sure they didn't give much of a crap about it.

5 You can't put yourself at our football level, because:
a) you are not the leader at clubs level in your continent (WE ARE)

-This is just pathetic. Do you really want to brag that Argentina is the best team in S.America?? Again, who is the hell do they have to compete against? :rolleyes:

b) your are not the leader at clubs level in the whole world either, of course (WE ARE)

-Again, this is just pathetic. Do you really want to brag that Argentina has the best club teams in S.America?? In the final eight teams of Champion's League last year, There were THREE CLUBS FROM ENGLAND (Arsenal, Leeds, Manchester United). Don't you think it says a lot that nearly half of the final eight were all from ONE COUNTRY?

c) your are not the leader in world cups at nations level, obviously.

-Neither is Argentina...

d) your are not the leader in eurocups at nations level.

Neither is Argentina:p :)

Do you wanna know the funny part about all this, mcclaine71??
I love the Argentine National team. I even like Apertura football. But none of your damn arguments make any damn sense. ;)

yeah sam here ..
i think the Argentenian team is of great quality .... well in the times of the little midget !!

... anyway Batistuta is 10 times the man diego was
if not 100

Originally posted by ShearerM4
yeah sam here ..
i think the Argentenian team is of great quality .... well in the times of the little midget !!

... anyway Batistuta is 10 times the man diego was
if not 100

i can't believe u said that !!!

Ur views suck SOOOOOOOOOO ****ING BADLY !!!!!!!!

U need counseling man !!!!!!

:rolleyes: :confused:

Don't have a seizure, IceBlu...he said Batigol was ten times the MAN not ten times the PLAYER Chill out Bro!

Batigol is a better man than Diego ever was, but definitely not a better player.

you know what, bertkamp16?
i'm not even gonna argue about football with some guy the lives in the united states, period.
when you talk about football, you instantly think about some f*ck up guys wearing helmets, for crying out loud.
i can talk, argue or even discuss with the brits, cos no matter how many cup they have, they really love football and know about it.
so please, gimme me a break, would you?

Originally posted by mcclaine71
you know what, bertkamp16?
i'm not even gonna argue about football with some guy the lives in the united states, period.
when you talk about football, you instantly think about some f*ck up guys wearing helmets, for crying out loud.
i can talk, argue or even discuss with the brits, cos no matter how many cup they have, they really love football and know about it.
so please, gimme me a break, would you?

:confused: ........but i have to agree..........

Originally posted by mcclaine71
you know what, bertkamp16?
i'm not even gonna argue about football with some guy the lives in the united states, period.
when you talk about football, you instantly think about some f*ck up guys wearing helmets, for crying out loud.
i can talk, argue or even discuss with the brits, cos no matter how many cup they have, they really love football and know about it.
so please, gimme me a break, would you?

How pretentious and lame of you. I don't even like gridiron football. I think you're just mad that everything I said makes sense. Sorry about that!!:D YOu must be so mad that a guy from the US made you sound like a moron. But I'm so glad that you didn't dispute anything I said. Is it because you're afraid that I'm right? Don't have any compelling arguments of your own? Yeah, I thought so. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by bertkamp16


How pretentious and lame of you. I don't even like gridiron football. I think you're just mad that everything I said makes sense. Sorry about that!!:D YOu must be so mad that a guy from the US made you sound like a moron. But I'm so glad that you didn't dispute anything I said. Is it because you're afraid that I'm right? Don't have any compelling arguments of your own? Yeah, I thought so. :rolleyes:

:o :confused: ...

Originally posted by bertkamp16


How pretentious and lame of you. I don't even like gridiron football. I think you're just mad that everything I said makes sense. Sorry about that!!:D YOu must be so mad that a guy from the US made you sound like a moron. But I'm so glad that you didn't dispute anything I said. Is it because you're afraid that I'm right? Don't have any compelling arguments of your own? Yeah, I thought so. :rolleyes:

no at all, man, not at all.
if i didnt argue with you, it's because a) you used silly silly arguements and b) this is getting boring...

but if want, we can go on...

all that i said on my previous post, was completely justified, with facts. if you don't like southamerican football, it's alright, you don't have to. but you made your points just saying: "they don't care about that stupid cup", or "that cup is not the equal to that one" and so on. It's so lame and dumb of you.
First of all, The Eurocup is the tournament that gather all european nations, right? well, the Copa America is the tournament that gather south american nations. So it's the equal.
And if you think that cup worth nothing because Argentina doesn't have any real competition, it proves your wrong, cos you name Brazil as the big competition and it happens that Uruguay won it 14 times, double the times Brazil did. So, at least there are three important teams. And in Europe, to me, the are 3 or 4 teams that counts, and the rest is company. Germany, Italy, England and France. (the last two on a very very second place). They won cups that counts, that matters. The rest are just company.
And if you think no one gives a sh*t about U-20... well, you are very very wrong. According to Fifa (and everyone who really know about this game) if the most important cup next to the world cup.

But of course, most euro people and all us people thinks thay are center of the world, so it's logical you think none of the thing i tell you matters... of course, it matters what you say.
you play sports in your country and name them the World League!! so it's clear, all it matters are you.
what else can i say.....




:D :D

So what you're saying is that in the Copa America, which is played every two years, either Argentina, Brazil or Uruguay win it? Uruguay obviously won it a lot in it's early stages, when they won the World Cup. Now in the European cup, every FOUR years, which is half as much as the Copa America, the competition is a lot more open, you've probably got at least 10 teams with a shout at winning it. So you're not going to get anyone winning it 15 times in half a century as they wouldn't have even held the tournament that many times to begin with.

I'm not saying that South American football poor or anything like that, I think European and South American football is on a par, you want stats look at the winners of the World Cups, it's probably a pretty even share.

In the matches I've seen between England and Argentina they've both been pretty even, one was won by Maradona who should have been sent off for his hand ball before he even scored his second, and arguably best goal of all time. The other was a very exciting end-to-end affair in the last World Cup, which went to penalties I do recall, how much of a draw do you want it to be? So there's no real need to slag off England they are a good team.

Besides I thought this was supposed to be about Pele and Maradona?

Originally posted by mcclaine71

First of all, The Eurocup is the tournament that gather all european nations, right? well, the Copa America is the tournament that gather south american nations. So it's the equal.
And if you think that cup worth nothing because Argentina doesn't have any real competition, it proves your wrong, cos you name Brazil as the big competition and it happens that Uruguay won it 14 times, double the times Brazil did. So, at least there are three important teams. And in Europe, to me, the are 3 or 4 teams that counts, and the rest is company. Germany, Italy, England and France. (the last two on a very very second place). They won cups that counts, that matters. The rest are just company.
And if you think no one gives a sh*t about U-20... well, you are very very wrong. According to Fifa (and everyone who really know about this game) if the most important cup next to the world cup.

But of course, most euro people and all us people thinks thay are center of the world, so it's logical you think none of the thing i tell you matters... of course, it matters what you say.
you play sports in your country and name them the World League!! so it's clear, all it matters are you.
what else can i say.....:D :D

"First of all, The Eurocup is the tournament that gather all european nations, right? well, the Copa America is the tournament that gather south american nations. So it's the equal.
And if you think that cup worth nothing because Argentina doesn't have any real competition, it proves your wrong, cos you name Brazil as the big competition and it happens that Uruguay won it 14 times, double the times Brazil did. So, at least there are three important teams."

--Copa America is the South American COUNTERPART of the
European Cup, not it's EQUAL. You are using the word equal in the wrong context. Saying that they are equal implies that they are equal in quality of competition, and that would be a falsehood because there are many more high-quality teams in Europe than there are in South America, although you may not think so. You really have to be kidding youself to include Uruguay with the likes of France, Argentina, Germany, Italy, and Brazil. Uruguay are a strong team, but putting them among these perrenial footballing powers is blasphamy. You're trying so hard to include them because of their prior achievements, but Uruguay are no longer the football power that they once were. Maybe they will be someday, but they aren't at this moment and haven't been for a LONG time, so drop the Uruguay argument. It's going nowhere.

"And in Europe, to me, the are 3 or 4 teams that counts, and the rest is company. Germany, Italy, England and France. (the last two on a very very second place). They won cups that counts, that matters. The rest are just company"

--I actually laughed out loud when I read this one. I especially liked the "...And in Europe, to me..." Yeah, to you and only you. Only three or four teams that count?? The rest are only company?How convenient that you left out Holland, Portugal and Spain. :rolleyes: And even all the European football powerhouses have stiff competition from the up and coming teams like Poland, Ireland, Denmark, Sweden, Russia, Croatia and many others. Not all, but most South American countries would have a tough time even beating the up and coming European teams.

"And if you think no one gives a sh*t about U-20... well, you are very very wrong. According to Fifa (and everyone who really know about this game) if the most important cup next to the world cup."

--If this is so true, why don't you explain to me why there were so few threads in this forum concerning the U-20 WC when it was going on last summer? There are plenty of Europeans and S. Americans in these forums, so why no huge hoopla like you're talking about?? I'll tell you why, because IT'S NOT AS BIG A DEAL AS YOU'RE MAKING IT OUT TO SEEM.

"But of course, most euro people and all us people thinks thay are center of the world, so it's logical you think none of the thing i tell you matters... of course, it matters what you say.
you play sports in your country and name them the World League!! so it's clear, all it matters are you.
what else can i say.....:D :D"

--This is definitely my favorite part of your ridiculous tirade, because it's the part where you stick your foot the farthest into your mouth. Do you want to know why? Simply because you are trying to base an argument against me on assumptions and generalizations about America and Americans and you know nothing about me. That's precisely what those disgusting terrorists did when they were planning and carrying out their plot against my country, making assumptions and generalizations about America and Americans. Do you know my background? Where I was born, where my parents were born? If I ever lived overseas? What level of football I've been exposed to throughout my life? Do I have any family that plays football professionally? The answers to these questions aren't relevent. What is relevent is that you are making generalizations about me without having the slightest clue to the answers of ANY of these questions. And that is so very sad...

Originally posted by bertkamp16


--This is definitely my favorite part of your ridiculous tirade, because it's the part where you stick your foot the farthest into your mouth. Do you want to know why? Simply because you are trying to base an argument against me on assumptions and generalizations about America and Americans and you know nothing about me. That's precisely what those disgusting terrorists did when they were planning and carrying out their plot against my country, making assumptions and generalizations <u><b>about America and Americans</b></u>. Do you know my background? Where I was born, where my parents were born? If I ever lived overseas? What level of football I've been exposed to throughout my life? Do I have any family that plays football professionally? The answers to these questions aren't relevent. What is relevent is that you are making generalizations about me without having the slightest clue to the answers of ANY of these questions. And that is so very sad...

don't you see?? you did it again..... you probe my point.
you are saying "Americans", like "USA is America, then there's nothing more."
anyway, then you really mixed up with the terrorist thing (remember this is a soccer forum), so i leave you, American.

Originally posted by mcclaine71


don't you see?? you did it again..... you probe my point.
you are saying "Americans", like "USA is America, then there's nothing more."
anyway, then you really mixed up with the terrorist thing (remember this is a soccer forum), so i leave you, American.

Do you even understand the mumble of words you just wrote? Nothing you wrote even made sense. I would love to have responded to whatever the hell this mess is supposed to be, but I just can't understand it. Please tell how I "probe your point..." Why did you even put "USA is America, then there's nothing more." in quotation?? You wrote it , not me. It isn't necessary to put you on words in quotation marks. It's always so nice making ignorant, strereotyping fools look dumber than they already are. I'm done too.
:)

PS: Even if you don't respond, believe me, I KNOW YOU CAME BACK TO READ THIS...:)

STOP IT !!!!.................enough !!!!!

Originally posted by IceBlu
STOP IT !!!!.................enough !!!!!

Oh boy...IceBlu, you should be heeding your own advice...

LOL...........i said that to prove that its not only me thats keeps an argument going....

especially WHEN someone like Silver_boots accuses me of some crap i have no clue about

Just thinking...

Two reasons some people used to say why Pelé is not the best one.

1. Pelé played with other greatest football players, instead of Maradona, who has played with not-so-good ones. Thinking this way, Pelé is REALLY the best one!! He got to be the BEST while there were a lot of really wonderful players "competing' with him!! So it was very hard for anyone to get the title of "the best", and Pele got it!! So much harder than the 80s-90s!!! :eek: :eek:

2. Pelé has not played for european teams, so his skills never could be "tested" on Europe. Oh-oh.. Pelé has played up to 100 matches in Europe, playing for Santos and Brazil national squad. He scored almost one per game playing in Europe and won a World Cup there! (Sweden 58). With Pelé, Brazil was (and is) the only one team from South America that has won a World Cup in Europe. BTW, get to think... was the european football really better than the brazilian football at that period?? :rolleyes:

:eek: You can think. Maradona could dribble more, Cruyff could be more tactically intelligent... Pelé is (was) the best because he has (had) at least a bit of every skill needed for a good football player. His versatility and joint of much skills made him the best football player ever. He even played in Santos as a goal keeper for three times and didn't suffered any goal... :crazyboy:

"'How do you spell Pelé?' G-O-D."
The Sunday Times, London newspaper.

"If Pelé hadn't been born a man, he would have been born a ball."
Armando Nogueira, Brasilian journalist.

"Scoring 1,000 goals like Pelé is not that difficult, but scoring one goal like Pelé is."
Carlos Drummond de Andrade, Brasilian poet.

"After the fifth goal I wanted to applaud him."
Sigge Parling, Swedish defender that was marking Pelé throughout the final of the 1958 World Cup.

"I thought: he is made of flesh and bone like me. I was wrong."
Tarciso Burnigch, Italian defender that was marking Pelé throughout the final of the 1970 World Cup.

"Wow, man, you're popular!"
Robert Redford after seeing Pelé give dozens of autographs in New York while he was not asked for one.

"I have had many great moments in my career, but the greatest honor was to play with Pele."
Franz Beckenbauer, the West German and a Cosmo teammate who followed Pele to the US.

"Now there are two of the greatest."
Muhammad Ali said, as he embraced Pele in the locker room on Oct. 1, 1977, before the last match of Black Pearl’s career, which was an exhibition match between the Cosmos and Santos.

"I have to stay with Pele, no doubt, when someone has played for his country at 16, won a World Cup at 17 and scores more than 1000 goals, they deserve it. Until you find someone else who has done that then it must be me."
Muhammad Ali, when told that ‘he’ was Pele’s choice of Sportsman of the Century.

"The greatest football player of the world was Di Stefano. I refuse to describe Pelé as a player. He is over all."
Ferenc Puskas, wonderful player from Hungria who has played for Real Madrid during the 50s

Hey Emmer, I liked your collection of Pele quotes so much, I copied and pasted them to a notepad so I can show some people I know. I especially love the last two!!

Originally posted by bertkamp16
Hey Emmer, I liked your collection of Pele quotes so much, I copied and pasted them to a notepad so I can show some people I know. I especially love the last two!!

I did the same :D

Yeah..nice 1 emmer

Great, great quotes, emmer!

I also pasted it to a notepad, and I'll be sending it by email to all of my friends.

So, if you ever receive an email with such quotes, remember who started it - emmer, of course ;)

Just repeating the word jacques rogue, president of the IOC jsut told at the opening ceremony of the olympic ceremony

'a champion is not only the one who finishes the line first; a champion is also someone who respect the rules, someone who rejects doping, someone who's fair with his opponents...'

I totally agree with that...and sorry but i can't apply these things to maradona...

Originally posted by ZePenguin
Just repeating the word jacques rogue, president of the IOC jsut told at the opening ceremony of the olympic ceremony

'a champion is not only the one who finishes the line first; a champion is also someone who respect the rules, someone who rejects doping, someone who's fair with his opponents...'

I totally agree with that...and sorry but i can't apply these things to maradona...

That's an excellent point..my Dad (an Englishman) still can't talk about 86..

I don't think there is any possible way to compare Pele and Maradona in terms of skill. If you think about it, they were playing in different eras and in different leagues. Maybe Pele had his own reasons for not playing in Europe. We will never know. However, one thing is for certain. Maradona had a poor disciplinary record on the pitch, highlighted by the cocaine incident. Pele, on the other hand, was clean. Maradona also cheated (Hand of God, does that ring any bells?). Also, as has been stated, Pele has continued to promote football in Brazil, while Maradona has only done some commentary for a handful of Boca Junior games in Argentina.

My vote has to go with Pele, not for his skill, but for what he has done overall for football. Maybe FIFA should follow Pele's example and do what is "For the good of the game".

Maybe FIFA should follow Pele's example and do what is "For the good of the game".

That's good

Well, I think Pele deserves the honour. I asked my dad, who saw both of them play, who was the best. He said:"Pele comes in 1st,2nd,3r and 4th. Then Maradona at 5th". I believe him, and that's what I'll tell my kids. :)



Btw, what's ging on with your avatar, crackerz?
:eek:

Btw, what's ging on with your avatar, crackerz?

I don't understand this part..What U mean by what 'ging'

OR If U want, check out my new thread about avatar at the
Non Related Forum

Originally posted by crackerz


I don't understand this part..What U mean by what 'ging'

He means Going!?!

If he means that, then the girl in my avatar is my girlfriend.:D

It's obvious that the word "ging" is "going". Trying to be a smart-a*s, uh crackerz?

Anyway, I apologise for that mistake, and for many others of that kind.
My keyboard needs replacement real badly, as I have to write with a hammer for the letters appear on the screen.:D

Originally posted by crackerz
If he means that, then the girl in my avatar is my girlfriend.:D

YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS UGLY

YOU MUST SEE MINE HER NAME IS UHM.... BRITNEY¡¡¡

Originally posted by INFESTA
Well, I think Pele deserves the honour. I asked my dad, who saw both of them play, who was the best. He said:"Pele comes in 1st,2nd,3r and 4th. Then Maradona at 5th". I believe him, and that's what I'll tell my kids. :)



Btw, what's ging on with your avatar, crackerz?
:eek:


"Pelé comes in 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th. Then Maradona at 5th"
INFESTA's dad

hehehe another good one!!! :D

pelé is the best

Originally posted by Mauricio


YOUR GIRLFRIEND IS UGLY

YOU MUST SEE MINE HER NAME IS UHM.... BRITNEY¡¡¡

hey...Britney was once my former girlfriend and now U took her:D

At last...
This thread has come to a peace and harmony:) :)

pele was a great player up there with the best, but maradona was something else he was something extremely special so i think maradona was the greatest

Originally posted by bingtin
Maradona also cheated (Hand of God, does that ring any bells?).
yes, one of greatest moments in football ever!:D i remember when i was in school i did a "maradona" myself:D

Originally posted by crackerz
At last...
This thread has come to a peace and harmony:) :)

uh-oh... :rolleyes:

HeHeHe

PELE IS THE BEST

Eik.....
This thread is still alive??

I thought they had deleted it..........:rolleyes:

you really want to see this discussion going on with no end, huh? :D :p :mambo: :mrpimp:

Originally posted by emmer
you really want to see this discussion going on with no end, huh? :D :p :mambo: :mrpimp:

hmmmmmmm..............
Allrite.......since nobody will be checking this thread......
I'll start it again........

PELE is the best

Neither both.
Johan Cruyff was the best after all.

Wow, an old thread. Pele rules.

Maradona would be except he cheated so I say Pele.

-C

Schumacher is better than both of them!

Originally posted by ShearerM4
well you jsut said it then ....
yeah off the pitch we don't care ....

and maradona was the same on the pitch as off ..a low scumbag cheating and drugster

as long as it's kept outta the game of course it's no problem

lot of envy on this words...MARADONA WAS THE BEST...he plays in a harder time, in harder leagues and give Argentina teams many glorys just by himself:rockman: :rockman: :rockman:

I shouldn't be posting here... of course I'm biased...
I think Pele was better but Maradona was also great

Pele didn't play in Europe because back then players played for pride and joy... and it'd be absolutely no fun playing away from your friends/family... and the money compensation wasn't as good as it is now

The thing is Pele played in Brasil, but it was THE BEST TEAM ON THE PLANET! They won 2 consecutive intercontinental trophies, and no one could stop Santos back then....

BTW Pele IS better, cuz he scored more goals.

Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
The thing is Pele played in Brasil, but it was THE BEST TEAM ON THE PLANET! They won 2 consecutive intercontinental trophies, and no one could stop Santos back then....

BTW Pele IS better, cuz he scored more goals.

Even Boca Juniors won, recently a couple of Intercontinental trophys, but that doesn't mean that they're better than the Europeans ones...

How about Di Stefano?

People said that Di Stefano was an excellent player, and some others said that he was better than Pele and Mardona
Between Maradona and Pele I will vote Maradona because he was champion in all the teams he had played and Pele ita was a good player but he only played at Santos
Byess