Hi All.
I forgot that I have my Yahoo's briefcase to upload files. I've decided to upload the NHL textures here. Everyone I've also upload my 32 bit kit tutorial I've made last year for fifa2002. For the kit tutorial, start with the index.html. I hope people find this useful. Any webmasters who wants to host these files are welcome. I am getting tired of making kits. I am hoping that this will hopefully help discourage some of the plagarism that has been going on. If people know how to edit things, they wouldn't steal other people's work and claim it as their own. But nothing is guaranteed. I think we should have a governing body like football has FIFA. Why don't FIFA gaming has a governing body that set standards and rules on how the FIFA scene should be run. I mean from kits standards to rules on plagarism. We have so many kits format out there that it is even making someone like me who is on the scene for some time confused. Why not have a kit format where everyone use. This will eliminate fights and create a standard for all kitmakers. Just a crazy thought. I think no matter how much we edit FIFA to make it look good, the gameplay unfortunately cannot be changed. Editing the ini file has its limits. I think that there are enough talented people in the scene who can make the graphic side of FIFA so much better than EA can ever do. All we can ask of EA is to improve on the gameplay. My two cents for the day.

Here is the link: http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/specialjuice/lst?.dir=/Fifa2002&.src=bc&.view=l

I know what you mean. I agree that something must be done in that direction. It's a pitty to see so many talented kit makers being discouraged by plagarism. Although I feel that sometimes they take it too far, their work must be protected.

In my opinion, all the techniques should be available for the community to use, as long as the makers get credited.
Also, there are far too many 2fgksr kits out there.Standardization is definitely needed. It's time for something like ISO-FIFA2002. Wouldn't it be great if we had some sort of control certificate? Whoever fulfilled certain quality requirements would be granted a personalized brand, or something like that.
If we get enough positive feedback, maybe we could start a thread and work something out.

That's 4 cents in the bag already. ;)

Yeah I totally agree with V-9 - only this week I felt like giving up kitmaking after I found 10 instances of plagiarists using my kits and crediting them as their own in the last month.

It's a real pain in the arse when you spend hours making lots of kits only for someone to totally rip you off within a matter of minutes.

Well the only thing I stretch to is naming and shaming on Soccered, which can be a bit over the top but in the past it's been very effective.

That's my two quid... (I don't use cents) :p

Originally posted by [= JJ =]
Yeah I totally agree with V-9 - only this week I felt like giving up kitmaking after I found 10 instances of plagiarists using my kits and crediting them as their own in the last month.

It's a real pain in the arse when you spend hours making lots of kits only for someone to totally rip you off within a matter of minutes.

Well the only thing I stretch to is naming and shaming on Soccered, which can be a bit over the top but in the past it's been very effective.

That's my two quid... (I don't use cents) :p

Well JJ. I had you in mind when I made those plagarism comments. I have seen so many kits that are obviously stolen from yours. Some goes so far as to shamelessly extract your files and put them into another .fsh. I am so hesistant to make kits with the tex you give for fear someone might extract the files and white them out to use as templates. I know it is useless to protect against such things but I feel violated when someone stole my work and say that it is theirs. Especially when you spent your precious time doing them and some joker comes and extract the files, do some alterations and put them into a new .fsh in a matter of minutes. I just wish that there is something we can do to stop this so we don't lose talented kitmakers as JJ. But you can see it on the bright side. If people stole your kits, then you know that they admired your work. Just look at all the ManUre kits out there.:D

wahey!

JJ doesn't like making man utd kits anyway.

Are those kits up yet, Schmeichel? Has the French one been changed from the original one that could be downloaded, because I don't think it has the flag on the sleeve or shorts, and the socks don't have any stripes

yes, I will have to check if the flag is on the shorts

Thank you V-9 for sending me the nhl textures. They're perfect for goalkeeper kits making!

You guys have good ideas. Maybe i have a proposal to solve problems like stealing kits. We can make it concrete by doing this. It's just a proposal, say if you like it, and we can modifie the idea.

Why not make a kitsite with:

a) downloadable standardkit in a sort of format (e.g. 32 bit)

b) a tutorial who shows everyone on an easy way how to make kits

c) maybe one standard template who is downloadable for everyone. It's more fun to play with kits who are all the same than playing with a league where some kits have the NHL templates, other kits the EURO 2000 templates and other kits the standard Fifa 2002 templates. That isn't realistic to play with.

d) a sort of kitmaker certificate wich you can get if you make kits of
- a good quality (approved by a jury)
- if you you don't steal kits.
A kitmaker can loose it's certificate when he steals kits. People who want to download kits can see if he has the certificate. They know kits from people without a certificate are low-quality kits, or kits who are stolen.

e) the site also includes a very big kitsdatabase. Every kit made by someone with a certificate can publish it exclusively on his site. When people serach or a kit, they go to the kitsite, search in the database, and go to the downloadpage of the site who has the shirt. So in the database of the kitsite we'll only give links, so every kit stays exclusively for the site who produced or published the shirt.

If we want to bring a structure in kitmaking, avoid the stealing of kits and make it the gamers more comfortable to download a kit by collecting all links in a database and giving a quality label to good kitmakers, this is i think the best solution. Tell me what you think about it.

sounds pretty exciting... but who's gonna start the site..

furthermore, it's gonna be tough to check the number of stolen kits because there are too many different kit formats now. hmm but anyways, gotta hear more from other before deciding

I think that kit maker approval thing would be great. It would be much easier for people that dl the kits if all recognized kit makers that are good, and dont copy get a "license" or something

I am in if JJ and I get the highest rank obtainable 8-)

we have been doing the kitz for yearz:D :D :D :D :D

oh so u guys r talking about ranks?
Im not totally against the idea, maybe it could be more like you get different "badges" or something for different achievements, but u can only get these if u have a "license".
We could run it all at a site, where it could have a list of all licensed kit makers, and there badges or whatever.
Then have links to where you could get there kits...
We could use my www.fifafiles.tk which at the moment ive just pointed to www.fifa-net.tk but could redirect to a free addless address like www.freewebz.com
What do u guys think?
Seriousley though if we had ranks, how could anyone out rank u/schiemechel, JJ and V-9. U just wanted me to say that though didnt u...

I don't like the ranks idea. If the purpose is avoiding patch piracy you don't need to be ranked.
I am totally in favour of a quality control certificate (like the REAL ISO9000-2000), based in concrete parameters.
That would simply mean that the person who has it is a credited patch maker who has reached a certain level of quality and reliability.

I also think that the best kit makers should be directly involved in the creation of such certificate and in the subsequent quality approvals but shouldn't run it, in order to avoid any suspicions.

Its all getting a bit complicated.

You think so? It's just a matter of getting the right people together, working on the rules and spreading the word around.

I think this is a great idea!
On a scale of 1-10, I would be 7, I think.:crazyboy:

I don't think a ranking is a good idea, but just making a difference between kits who are worth to download and crappy kits (with bugs, without templates,...) . A link database to all kits would give more visitors to the sites who publish kits, and it will be much more easy for the gamer to search the shirt he wants.

It is possible to realize this. Please, everyone who wants to help with this project mail me: joris.jonckheer@wanadoo.be. This would mean a structure much of people are searching for.

Heres my view on things.
Every kitmaker should have a license. There should be 2 licenses, one for Soccered (approved by JJ or Robert) and a Soccergaming (approved by Matt Holme and Joe) one. You need the license to send a kit to either download centre. There should be no ranking. The license should have an expiry of 1 year.

Maybe start up a union that the kitmakers can join to protect the rights of the kitmaker. All the kitmakers should then nominate a president that will act as a spokesperson.

This method would guarantee the downloader that he/she is getting an original kit by the author. If a kit is copied, they lose there license and all their kits are removed from all the sites.

Also, all kits should have a copyright logo, and if a regular offense is occured, there would be no option but to sue.

Thats' exatctly what I had in mind. But I shouldn't nominate a president. All kitmakers should make decissions together. At SoccergameZ we are making a detailled plan, and we'll send it to the main Kitmakers an fifasites to see what we can do.

Be sure to send me a copy!