I think it's not fair to England that UEFA is warning them about sending Englands team out of Euro2000 because of the hooligan trouble there has been going on, i can't see how UEFA can blame Englands team for that. I would rather blame the media like TV, newspapers, for focusing to much on the hooligan problem instead of putting focus what this tournament really is about :GOOD SOCCER and who win EURO2000.

Ricococo.

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well if England are thrown out they will have to throw other teams eg. Belgium out too! They will end up with no teams left

Well if english fans cant behave ,well too bad for them .I tought Turkish fans were bad ,but English fans are worse.They get drunk and then they start picking fights with anyone .English people say that 2 english fans died cause of turkish fans ,but 31 italians died in 1986 beacuase of Liverpool fans .

I'll think you will find that it was the bad stadium design and organisation which was the main cause of the disater in 1985.

Paolo_Rossi,
It was '85, and all English teams paid the price - being banned from Europe for so long - it really put the English First Division/Premier League far behind the cream of Europe and only now it's caught up - before then Liverpool, Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa etc had all been succesful in Europe - and then it ended, all because of a bunch of idiotic violent morons who disguise themselves as 'fans'.

Anyways, I'm sick of these idiot holigans - not only is their appaling behaviour giving a bad image to English football fans, it's giving a bad image to English people. These idiots have to be rounded up, given criminal records and be prohibited from going anywhere NEAR ANY football stadium in the future - that's the only way to stop this cr@p.

Sorry, I have to go cool off now, I'm too pissed.

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And anyway you cant really call any of these people "fans"

Why does it always have to be the English fans that get to worse of it. What happenned yesterday was due to an over-reaction from the police due to a small minority of fans (England and Germany) have a little skirmish.

The police just rushed in and lashed out at anyone who was English, old and young men was getting beaten by police batons, water cannons was directed at anyone, including women. Some English fans are not going to stand there and watch this happen, they are going to get involved as it is a natural thing, if police/people are attacking friends and fellow country men you might possibly get involved.

The british fans always get the blame, German, Dutch, Italian, Turkish Fans are worse, I've been all over Europe watching football matches and believe me some of these countries so called fans are just pure animals.

For UEFA to blame the government is so stupid, why did UEFA decide to play the England Vs Germany in Charleroi when everyone (Teams, Countries, Police & FIFA) thought it would be better to move it. UEFA is just a load of fat cats who most of them have never ever kicked a football, these people are dictators in their own right.

Football is a sport that can bring countries together and to celebrate what a wonder sport it is but UEFA is always changing the rules and making up so many stupid decisions.

Sorry everyone but it I had to say it.

Keep smiling and enjoy Euro2000.
Wayne

God damn it!

How dare they! They would ruin our countries football just to punish a few stupid hooligans.

Send them home. I blame Tony Blair and Labour. They've always been incapable of getting tough on crime. Damn pansy ass bleeing hard liberal socialists.

This is making me so PISSED! I'm not sure if I'm more angry with out ****ty fans or the ****ty UEFA ****heads.

I guess thats why you predicted 'men in suits'.

Very easy to put the blame on the UEFA and the police. Fact remains those hooligan idiots always need to start a fight as soon as a drop of alcahol turns of their brains. Why cant they just go to a game and support their team? A line should be drawn and if it means banning England from EURO 2000 so be it.

Jack Straw should be sacked. The FA asked for emergency legislation to be passed, but he and Tony "can't offend anybody" Blair thought it would be a bad idea. I just got a terrible image of Keegan sitting at a Press Conferance, weeping - "We did our best," he'll say, ",but you let us down." SHAME SHAME SHAME

I agree on things you have posted about this topic, i'm also think that, if UEFA really go ahead (hopefully not)and send Englands team home it will be the end to of this kind of tournament for many years to come. They must get there fat behinds of there seats and come up and do somethings else about this problem.
its seems to me like the good old soccergame no longer belong to the real soccerfans but has become a toy for fat rich men in world where its only thing that counts is MONEY.
ricococo

ricococo

Well England always get`s the blame don`t matter what we do i can`t understand UEFA it`s ok when other teams stab our supporters and throw bottles and chairs at us and start trouble but we always get the blame http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/mad.gif

This thing UEFA have said is stupid. I know I don't like the English football team much, being a Taff, but I don't think it's fair on them especially as some "fans", especially those of Galatasaray, get away for their violence.
I think UEFA are being picky with their comments all because of the old reputation of English fans!

I think England should serve as an example by being penalized, so not just the hooligans, but ALL fans that only create disturbances realized that such events in a tournament like the EURO CUP and as well for the sake of what football is about, cannot and will not be tolerated anymore.
If this was the case for Turkey, I'd say the same thing, and so I'll say it for any european nation, this is not a matter of nationality.

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I don't think UEFA would actually kick England out of EURO 2000. It is simply a way to scare the England fans so they won't act like hooligans anymore...

This is just so stuipid!!!!

First of all, I really don't think that UEFA would kick the England team out of the Cup. They have done everything that was asked of them. Keegan and all the players have been carefull to plead to the masses for calm and peacefull support. On top of that. I really do not think that its fair to punish the team for the behavior of a "small minority" of idiots.

On the other hand though, something clearly has to be done!!! Every tournament...whether club or National... there are incidents involving English hooligans. And this is after beeing banned from all European competition previously. What is it going to take????? I think it will be very difficult for any city in the future to agree to host an event that English teams participate in. Even if the fights are not their fault...even if they are provoked..they are always in the middle of it.

I just throw my hands up in the air, shrug my shoulders and feel bad for the real English fans...the kids that hang on Beckham's every move...the the ones that dream of playing for the English team...true "fans"..not criminals and thugs. The problem, though, is that I saw a website that said a British diplomat was surprised to find that many of the people who had been jailed and found to have engaged in violence were otherwise "responsible" people like "barristers and engineers"... In the world's eyes, this looks sooooooo bad!!!!

Wha can be done? It has to stop...or England may not be invited to play soccer competitions for a long....long...time.

res ipsa loquitor

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1:> England or any other team shouldn't have to pay the price for the hostile and despicable conduct of the traveling barbarians..the so called governments of these countrys should have taken all the proper steps to ensure that the barbarians were denied any access to this tournament whatever the cost to there own public images.
2:> The Belgian police gave prior warning that they would uphold a "Zero Tolerence" policy, and so far they have carried out there promise, a cracked skull and a wollop around the legs with those night battons are working a treat, why should any local police force have to risk life and limb to protect there own enviroment...then after they have cleared up all this mess, they are accused of "Brutality"....they did what had to be done.....
3:>Last night on a tv news report, an English "fan" was bleating on about how the Belgian police were "Picking" on the innocent horde from across the channel, he looked at the cameras in total amazement and innocence, as if to say that wrecking bars and street violence were all the norm, a pity that there wasn't one of those "brutal" cops around to escort the imbecile back to the prison ship that was commisioned to take them all back to the shores of England...
4:>ANY hostiles who visit countries and have no respect or regard for the local enviroment or customs should be barred from ever holding a passport again...along with a term in jail as a primary punishment....my question to you forum users is this:> How would you treat the travelling hordes if they visited your country and had no regard or respect for the people and Cities that they attack and destroy..and as for The world cup being on show in england in 006, i doubt it very much....btw, i am English to the core and i, like many more of you are, totally sickened by the antics of these people.........Ned

This warning doesn't make sense, I always said I will never agree with punishing teams for actions of fans unless they showed willful disregard or even supported violence(for ex. I think any team that tolerates Ultra groups in their stands should be severely punished.)

If they felt they had to make a statement why not say the English fans will be banned from attending games. That is still bad, but not as bad as kicking the teams out. So for example if in the future any team's fans riot that teams supporters would be banned for a year from traveling to games, and any games they played at home would have to be played in an empty stadium.

Let's present the facts in an orderly list shall we:

A minority of English fans are hooligans and are generally out to cause trouble, but this is surely true for many other nations, and society in general. Scenes from South American football spring to mind.

There was relatively little trouble at Euro96 because England have proper facilities and staged games in large cities, as oppose to small towns like Charleroi. Also, the English policing methods are superior to the Belgian Police, who seem to antagonise people and cause even more chaos than was present in the first place.

UEFA are a bunch of useless fat-cats who make consistently bad decisions and make judgements without hard evidence.

How can it be considered reasonable to throw England out of the competition!? The team should not be punished for what happens on the streets, and neither should the true fans in Holland/Belgium and back home in England.

Blair, Straw, Davies and Co. are spineless! They should stand up to UEFA's ridiculous statements, not appease them. UEFA need a kick up the arse!

I think I've made my point(s).

I'm busy writing up my feelings in a column - but I will just say that the overwhelming feeling is of helplessness. Nothing could have been done to prevent those people causing violence from travelling as they were unkown to UK police. However, I feel that in 1996, the facilities for dealing with hooliganism were far better - I agree with the previous poster who said that holding games in small towns is just not going to work in big championships. We can't keep on looking for scapegoats though. The only thing that we can possibly do in these championships is to play England games either behind closed doors or in front of opposing fans only, and to prevent violence away from matches, the only option is to deport every English passport holder and close the borders to English passports. It is as heavy handed as they come, but what other options are there that would work?

I love Germany, and if England were thrown out of the group, then Germany would surely advance. But I do not support the idea that Germany should be pampered in this respect.

I believe that if you throw the English team out, then more English hooligans will be frustrated, and the problem will only grow worse. Keep the English team in, because there will be English hooligans regardless of the situation. I think a better alternative would be to let Belgian natives represent English fans, and keep ALL English out of Belgium (because if you keep the English out, then you keep the hooligans out).

I can see you idea Voltaire, but then you vill hurt a lot English soccerfans who never had and never will be apart of the hooligan madness.

ricococo.

If England get kicked out (which I don't think they will) it would only hurt the true english supporter and it would give those english hooligans another excuse to cause mayhem.

Hooligans will always find a way around the system, if you take away one blokes passport, there is always another two blokes who will get through and beat the system.

Turkish fans stab English supporters and what happens - The English fans get the blame. Ever since the Heysel Stadium incident the English have always been the scapegoat. I had a gun pulled out at me at the San Siro from Inter fans just for being English, Turkish fans carry carving knives but UEFA still blame the English.

Also this Government and the FA should stand up for English fans instead of arse kissing and being "oh so sorry". It is a small minorty that is the rotten eggs for England and not every single english fan that travels, 800 fans were arrested on Saturday but I bet not even 50% of that was really involved in the trouble, remember there is thousands of English fans at Euro2000 and against Portugal only two people were arrested, to me it seems that the Belgian police just waided in and arrested anybody.

EVERY COUNTRY HAS IT'S HOOLIGANS NOT JUST ENGLAND.

Keep smiling everybody.
Wayne.................

If England get kicked out (which I don't think they will) it would only hurt the true english supporter and it would give those english hooligans another excuse to cause mayhem.

Hooligans will always find a way around the system, if you take away one blokes passport, there is always another two blokes who will get through and beat the system.

Turkish fans stab English supporters and what happens - The English fans get the blame. Ever since the Heysel Stadium incident the English have always been the scapegoat. I had a gun pulled out at me at the San Siro from Inter fans just for being English, Turkish fans carry carving knives but UEFA still blame the English.

Also this Government and the FA should stand up for English fans instead of arse kissing and being "oh so sorry". It is a small minorty that is the rotten eggs for England and not every single english fan that travels, 800 fans were arrested on Saturday but I bet not even 50% of that was really involved in the trouble, remember there is thousands of English fans at Euro2000 and against Portugal only two people were arrested, to me it seems that the Belgian police just waided in and arrested anybody.

EVERY COUNTRY HAS IT'S HOOLIGANS NOT JUST ENGLAND.

Keep smiling everybody.
Wayne.................

I live in Belgium and i have to say i totaly agree with Black_Ned. There are no excuses! Why blame the police when you knew they where holding a Zero Tolerence policy?? It's the only way to react aggainst these respectless creatures. They wouldn't hesitate for one second to hit one of those police men. Belgium asked all countries to check the borders to stop any indentified hooligan. All the country's did a good job expect for England, they let more then one hundred hooligans pass! No wonder the Uefa was so mad, if there's going to be any more trouble involving English hooligans, England will be trown out.