hey guys what ever happened to the "badges and licenses) thing for kit makers we were gonna do, u know how u would be able to earn a 32bit badge, or a 3GK badge, and a kit makers license to say that you are respected as doing your own work of some quality...it could be somthing people could aspire to..
so what is happening??

Originally posted by sKIp_E
hey guys what ever happened to the "badges and licenses) thing for kit makers we were gonna do, u know how u would be able to earn a 32bit badge, or a 3GK badge, and a kit makers license to say that you are respected as doing your own work of some quality...it could be somthing people could aspire to..
so what is happening??

yeah, I would love to know about this too...
need any help?
just tell me what kind of help you need, I could help, help, help :D

Hey schiemchel and V-9, even though we sort of sorted out the big piracy issue, i still think that we should prevent it from happening again. It would be an easy system to set up, and whether or not someone could get the license, could be voted on by trusted members of the FIFA community...
And the badges system would be ran down the same line, except it would be done on specifics..eg. Schiemchel, JJ and V-9 would have a 32bit badge, Hedgehog a Faces badge etc...

This weekend we should sit down in a chat on ICQ or IRC and discuss this.

I am all for it.

Anything to ensure we beat piracy

that would be a great idea!

Noor Ullah

At our site we're busy for the moment making a plan. It's almost ready. Just tell me who wants to cooperate, and tonight or tomorrow you'll receive an email with the detailled plan.

XB asked me for a 2S badge... hmm i guess i did one the last time when i invented 2S... and i guess Rob you've seen it.

Is that design ok?

hey guys, if u have such a chat, could u give me the chat history(if its ICQ), or just copy and paste it into an email or html file or something, and send it to abba@www.com because of my very limited Internet Access at the moment I wouldnt be able to participate. My ideas would be as follows:
Have an overall kit makers license: This license would not be judged solely on quality, but more so, on whether the kit maker is trusted as someone who makes legitimate kits. This license wouldnt be to say you are good, but to say that you dont copy other peoples work, and credit it as your own.
Then we could have badges: Badges would be based solely on quality but would only be available to those who are licensed...
Badges would include:
32bit 2S badge
32bit 4S badge
32bit badge
32bit SILVER Badge(for all three of the above 32 bit kits)
2GK badge
2GK-4S badge
3GK badge
#GK SILVER badge(for the three above kits)
V-9kits badge

GOLD Kit Badge(for all regular kit styles)
To earn any of the individual kit syles badges, we would have a commitee, around 15 resected members of the FIFA community, to vote on awarding that person a badge.
Then to get the silver or gold badges, you have to get all the badges listed above as needed...So the Silver and Gold badges arent actually voted on as such, but comrpise of other badges which are voted on..
One last thing, the kits should also be able to be found at one location. At the moment, we have to go to Soccered, soccergaming download centre, socceraccess etc.. I know these guys dont want to lose hits at there sites, but it would be so much easier if we had a site which had all available kits from licensed kit makers there, with the kits makers badges so everyone can see what type of quality they are dealing with.
I hope I havent confused anyone...Please tell me what u guys think...

hey, i've made some good 32 bit and 2GK-4S kits, i think i should be in this, what do u guys think?

Can I be in for the 2gk/2gk4s/3gk/3gk-32bit kits. :D

We cant really say we havent chose a commitee, and noone has really agreed to a system yet, although, i can assure you, most of the big names in the community are interested, and so such a system shouldnt be far off.

who are e big names?

when it's the chat on ICQ?
so I can go and make fun of el Ga... I mean I can vote and stuff like that :P

I am serious, I would love stadiums badges and things like that...

couldnt tell u's , because as i said above i am not going to be able to make it...arghhh..i really want to, aswell...

I can arrange almost everything about the site. Something very important is having ONE standard kitformat and template so we can easily compare. Most of you have received a mail with the plans. We already have the support of Fifa-MRA and some individual kitmakers.

ok, to be honest this system will never work

Look standardising kit types will never happen...Some people like one thing better, and others like others better...So this cant be done. I think this is what schiemechal was speaking of when he says it will never work... What we can do however(with the use of badges), is assure the user of a quality kit in whatever kit-type they decide to use...
Maybe rather then standardising, we need as someone has said, essentials/textures that make all kit types work...Also why not just have a page on the site dedicated to kit types explaining pros and cons of each and what each needs to run...
Thats all i have to say..
Later
sKIp_E

I've always said that whilst this idea is good in theory, it just won't work in practise. Many people won't take any notice of this kit making licence malarkey and would go ahead and make kits in whatever format they like.

Anyway I wasn't one of the big name kitmakers who was interested in it, because I know that it's not practical...

because your kits are the best. hehe.... any of ya kit will get a Platinum Plate :D

World Record sales.... hAaz

Much people were complaining about the number of kittechniques, it's difficult to find the kit someone wants, and kitmakers are complaining people steal their kits.

It's clear we need a structure, but if you don't want to cooperate you can stay complaining. I received many positive reactions from people who want to help us. ofcourse it isn't possible to stop the stealing of kits immedialtely, but a central site with tutorials for everyone who want to make kits and big linkdatabase to qualitykits would be a big improvement.

Joris where are your stadiums

Look guys u really are missing the point here..
The point isnt to inforce people to have a license and make it illegal to make kits if u dont have one, its nothing like that..
A license would simply be to insure the webmaster hosting the download, and the user downloading it, that the kit maker isnt a pirate, and has made the kit legitimately.
Then the badges would be to give the user an idea of the quality of his kits..
Originally, I never said anything about standardisation, because i know this is impossible, there is just too many different types to standardise. I was never for the idea, that a licensed kit maker would have to use a specific technique, because put simply that idea wont work...
Anyway, JJ, it thought u of all people would understand the need to illeviate piracy from the community, and whilst people would still copy kits, atleast we could give those who do, like a 6month ban on trying to get a license or something, and everyone would know they are pirates...
Anyway if u arent interested in the idea, thats fine, we wont worry, i just thought it would be an easy way to give users an idea of quality, and liegitmacy of the kits they were downloading...
Cheers
sKIp_E

judging from the kitmaking team of Soccered, i guess we are not interested in this licence thing. Or least i dun.

Well, firstly, recognition is an important word in the name of fame. And who doesn't know JJ and Robert create the best 32-bit 2S kits. Who doesn't know Soccered provide the best available up to date kits? And it's this kind of recognition that a good kitmaker would deserve. If you're good at it there's no need for what sort of Licence plating? Ratings?

Well, if you're pointing out that these badges are for amatuers, beginners like getting a grade, hmm this would so pretty good. However, you think Matt gives a damn abt this system? Would Jakob/Lior even care about rating the kits they receive? I seriously doubt so.

Even if there should be a juding panel or whatsoeva, there will be too many kits for judging and we dun have time for this. And in the end it might end up with many "unrated" kits.

Why not just make it compulsary to post a screenshot of the kit or the HJFR in the download link and everyone will be able to preview it before making the decision of whether to download it. If the person receives massive downloads, his kits are definitely good in that case. Isn't it?

yeap i agree with Yj :D :p

The main thing isn't to give licenses. The most important thing is to have a site with a big linkdatabase to all kits from several sites (gives more visitors to those sites) and a big tutorial section with everything about kitmaking.

Just when we see someone stole a shirt, and that shirt is in our linkdatabase, we would remove the stolen one. That is the "license" part.

BTW: as soon as i'va finished my Belgian Fifa Patch and RetroPatch i'll restart making some stadiums.

YJ, ur still missing the point..
It isnt to rate every single kit, that would be pointless..
Please read my message properly before u reply this time.
The point would be to give a single Badge to a kit maker(not a singular kit!) who makes high quality kits..
This would ensure users that what they are downloading is quality.
Because yes we all know that Soccered make the best and mopst up to date 32bit-2S kits around, but does the average downloader(someone not so involved in the community-but likes to update his FIFA) know this? I dont think so..
Anyway obviousley u r quite happy to just keep the community for those of us who do know, and not make it easier for those who dont, so go back to your world of those with over 680votes, where u all know everything there is to know about the FIFA community, and the quality of the kits made by the kit makers in it..Just keep on ignoring the people we actually make kits for...
It doesnt worry me......
Later
sKIp_E
PS. joriz_sgz ur point on the database is very valid, but i think we should only let respected kit makers(not respected for quality neccasarily, but for non-piracy), put there kits there.
Also wouldnt it be better if the user knew something about the quality of the kits made by the kit maker before they had to download, not everyone has a DSL connection, and can just download every kit they see....

Yes, I know something should be done to stop piracy, but if you look at it realistically there's bugger all that can stop some plagiarists sending in other people's kits to sites and taking credit for themselves.

And if such a licence thing was used, then only 1 in 10 sites would take notice of it. True, it's had some backing but if you look at it - someone somewhere is going to send a stolen kit to SGDC and it'll get posted.

I mean, if some plagiarist got found out - a 6 month ban is nothing because there's nobody in authority who'd have the right to tell them they can't make any kits for that period of time. What would they do? They'd carry on and send their files elsewhere, or see sense and make their own.

The way I deal with plagiarists is to get their files taken down from other sites and then naming and shaming them. It has worked many a time because those thieves have been overshadowed with bad publicity.

Because let's face it - there isn't many ways of stopping them.

Originally posted by [= JJ =]
Yes, I know something should be done to stop piracy, but if you look at it realistically there's bugger all that can stop some plagiarists sending in other people's kits to sites and taking credit for themselves.

And if such a licence thing was used, then only 1 in 10 sites would take notice of it. True, it's had some backing but if you look at it - someone somewhere is going to send a stolen kit to SGDC and it'll get posted.

I mean, if some plagiarist got found out - a 6 month ban is nothing because there's nobody in authority who'd have the right to tell them they can't make any kits for that period of time. What would they do? They'd carry on and send their files elsewhere, or see sense and make their own.

The way I deal with plagiarists is to get their files taken down from other sites and then naming and shaming them. It has worked many a time because those thieves have been overshadowed with bad publicity.

Because let's face it - there isn't many ways of stopping them.

That's correct. We know we can't ban plagtitarism. Nobody can. Our point is we won't put stolen kits in the linkdatabase, and maybe make al ist of people who stole kits. Bad for their reputation.

well, we can start by asking what are the sites that are interested. And that should inlcude other language sites like GFO, Italian... netherlands, eng.. u need ALL the sites to agree on this before you can start.

Skip_E: Does that mean the person will have to do many kits in order to get rated? What if he only submits one file and so he becomes unrated yeh?

And i'm 99% sure SG won't giva a damn on this. And i doubt other sites might agree on this because, let's just say site A thinks their kits should be rated 9/10. However, the panel gives it 8. While site B gets rated 10/10, and site A will be jealous. Then all the hits will go to site B since it gets better ratings. and then there will be rumours and talks... blah blah....and btw, we need a very huge database and record to prove that the kits are true and verified. Site A can change its own settings and rename it to rating 10. It'll get quite messy.

YJ, if a site won't want to cooperate, that's no problem. YOu still are missing what we are doing. There are 2 main things: a big linkdatabase to several kits, and the most detailled kittutorial section you'll find. Trying to avoid plagitarism is something we'll try with it, but it isn't our main goal.

BTW I already said it several times, but to make it very clear: there will be NO rating.