THE UNFAIR OF CHAU

From the title you may believe i'm gonna attack to "Chau Le" creator of FED , but sorry i'm not gonna do that.I just want to express my small complain in a polite way.

Firt of all forgive my bad English but i believe you are gonna understand me.

I'm getting in the subject right away :

All those years CHAU makes this great programm - and we thank him (as FIFA community) a lot couse he makes it by spending his free time (we know his age and his family condition and also work)but there is a really unfair which i had told him personally last year(he responsed me positive) and i re-told him this year too by mail (no response unfortunatelly) so i had to make this public post to take -at least -some responses or discuss it with you.

What is this unfair i told about?Its the beta testing issue.As you know the beta testers are ussually patchers which take advantage from this editor and beta testing to create their patches.But what about the rest patcher?I had send him mail last year about (some days before releasing it) and it was my honor to send it to me before release it in public.I had send him mail this year also requesting do not have this unfair this year and giving it as beta testing not only to me but to everyone make patches .

I feel really jerk to have prepare my patch ( take a look at http://europeanclubs.host.sk ) from Christmas and wait the May to release the patch the moment patcher like Treedberd (just a name nothing personal) take benefit and releasd their own patches the moment FED isnt released yet.This is scandal.I'm also quite old (37 years old) with two jobs , 3 kids , wife :-)) , and in my spare time i patch fifa (from 96) and i feel a litle bit bad about .

I would like to heard your opinion and CHau's opinion too (sorry that i use the forum but i didnt take any responses in mail i sent).

Please dont send messages to this style : "get a life etc etc" couse i have a life and quite interesting one (as everyone i hope) but i can also tell my feeelings for something i love and i spend many hours every year.

I think my complain its fair.
Closing , i want to tell that i dont have anything against Chau who i respect very much for the reasons i said in the begin of this post.

Thats all.
Goodbye

Dimitris

Im afraid, im going to go out on a limb here and agree.
I think, if i remember correctly chau said that this year he was going to get rid of the beta testing faze, and instead make multiple releases, which would really mean EVERYBODY in the public is a beta tester. I think this method would be much fairer, as this piece of software is in such high demand, and really I dont think it should be made available to some patch makers before others.
It creates an unfair advantage.
Then again, on the other hand, I know how annoying it is to have ppl complaining about issues u fixed a month ago, and they just havent bothered downloading the update or fix, so really it is undestandable why people beta test. It is quite frustrating when someone comes out publicly and says "This patch sucks!! "and starts saying why ppl shouldnt get it, when u have actually addressed all of the issues that are mentioned. When this happens u just lose lots of downloads meaninglessly. Basically what im saying here is i can understand the need for beta testing but think in Fed's case it is unfair and isnt neccasary.
sKIp_E

I've got the beta 4 of Shed2002, all because I know what the URL of his webspace is and I easily found the editor. LOL fancy putting it online... hehe anyway the editor sucks.

I would post the link here but I might get my arse banned from this forum...

:crazyboy: :monkeyman

Man,

What is it about FEd that just makes people want to complain?? Maybe you should read some of the archived posts around here when there was much rampant speculation that there wasn't even going to be a FEd2002?

Now people are talking about unfair advantages for the Beta testers? (and I don't know what JJ's problem is... is there a better solution? If not, then why complain?). If you finished your patch before Christmas why are you waiting until May? All of us have to work around the limitations (or absence) of our tools? There's ways to patch effectively without FEd2002... so what's the problem?

As for the "it's unfair" bit... I'd say give it a rest. The complaint was quite polite (which is a little unusual around here), but I really don't see a basis for it? Would you still be complaining if you were one of the Beta Testers? I doubt it. You mention that you patch as a hobby... well then what's the rush??

Well.. i think that DimitrisV69 is right... because the beta tester has advantages against the other patchers... Im not making patchs because i'm waiting Fed2002 (i'm not hurry i cant wait the official release) well... i think that all people that is on a project and want to be beta tester have to be it.... Say no more.

Originally posted by Sembei
Well.. i think that DimitrisV69 is right... because the beta tester has advantages against the other patchers... Im not making patchs because i'm waiting Fed2002 (i'm not hurry i cant wait the official release) well... i think that all people that is on a project and want to be beta tester have to be it.... Say no more.

yes, but when FEd2001 was released, everybody was complaining that it was a beta and that they better wait for the official version because they didn't like it with so many bugs, so what's up with you people???

just let the man do whatever he feels like doing.. its HIS work, and he can do whatever he wants to do with it...

I don't feel comfortable releasing a piece of software without it being tested at all.

As for the testers. As far as I know, none of them are patch makers. And I wouldn't classify Jochen as a patch maker. He is more of a roster updater than anything.

I am sorry that some of you feel agrieved about the whole thing. Sometimes I just wonder why I actually be bother making FEd :(

Sorry for my bad english!

I can't see the point why it's unfair! Is Chau making FEd for money? i don't think so.
He's making a great program to make fifa series better, doing it for everyone for nothing, but then get some complains?
i understand what you feel DimitrisV69, but who's the beta tester is not a great deal, i would rather concern about the final quality of FEd.
i don't want to download FEd earlier but then find out a lot of bugs when using it, it's worthwhile to wait for a perfect FEd!

I am not blaming anyone here but i just think it's unfair to say Chau is unfair!

sorry for my poor english again!

Chau....

Please don't take the words of the barely vocal minority to heart. I can't imagine one good reason to release something before it's done. I doubt any of these 'patchmakers' would like it if everyone downloaded half-baked files and then complained about the quality.

We know the hard work you put in.. and we appreciate it. 'nuff said!

Cheers mate!

Originally posted by chau
I don't feel comfortable releasing a piece of software without it being tested at all.

As for the testers. As far as I know, none of them are patch makers. And I wouldn't classify Jochen as a patch maker. He is more of a roster updater than anything.

I am sorry that some of you feel agrieved about the whole thing. Sometimes I just wonder why I actually be bother making FEd :(

hey man, don't worry, you're doing a terrific job, and as I said, its your work, and who does not like it well don't use it, there are some people that really appreciate your work (myself included :P).

No doubt about it. Only Chau can decide whom he sends the beta for testing and whom not. It's his program and saying that he's unfair is unfair ;) Of course, Chau might ask the betatesters not to release anything created by the beta before FEd's official release, but again, it's only Chau's decision.

good luck Chau, we appreciate your time invested into making of the FEd series.

BTW I have asked several times but nevero got an answer: Does FEd2002 read FEd2001 TEA/LEA files???

BTW I have asked several times but nevero got an answer: Does FEd2002 read FEd2001 TEA/LEA files???


Not yet Lukas. The present version of FEd 2002 is very basic and only allows you to modify and transfer players and change tactics and line-ups. However, more features will be added as the program evolves. That is, if people let Chau work on it in peace!

Cheers,

King Kenny.

Dimitri, the best thing you can do is when you have made a good patch or a map for any game just go to a public forum and say what you have make and ask if someone want to place your work in his website! Is very simple as long you have done a good job there is always a solution for any problem. Get a few friends out there ask for some help talk to them with ICQ or mirc, messanger and you will always find someone who can help you.

Pelegrin

Hello guys.

I dont believe anyone understood my message.
I never said something against Chau or his programm.Plz read my message again carefully.I have FULL respect for Chau and his program and i wrote that.I said that we know his age and work and family condition and we thank (and me personal) him a lot for this.I also dont understant why Chau feels bad and dont want to conitnue build this excellent tool.Really.

You make very good and support him and i'm with you.I support him a lot.But my "complain " doesnt have to with Chau or FED .


I just expressed a small complain which is fair i believe.To give beta testing to everyone is patcher (if he makes a good search he can find the patcher and especially the old one).

Of course is his program and of course he can give it everything he wants Lukas there is not doubt about.But in your second phase you got the message.At least give the editor to anyone he wants but dont release anything at least the editor be released.

This is the point.Unfair behavior.I give you the editor couse you are my friend and be able to release the patch and all the others try to work with hex editing (right strobe?).

Anyway i dont want to start an argument with people who i fully respect but as is right of Chau to give the editor anything he wants is my right to complain the moment i never received an answer to private mail.

And Chau sorry mate byt Treedberd is a patcher .

I believe Chau doesnt know whats goin and i give him "alibi".
He doesnt know that beta testers share the editor between them so make their projects and how we feel the rest learning that.

Thats all.
Goodbye
Dimitris

I talked with Chau via mail and we both gave each other explanation.

From my side i asked sorry(and in public too) if he felt bad about my post (he ensured me that he didnt) , i gave him my full respect and support for his project and he told me a few things which covered me a lot.

So the topic is closed here at least for me, since i dint have bad purpose but i wanted some answers .

About Treedberd he said that was mistake but also didnt told him do not release his rosters .

I'm sure my post was for good :-))
Cheers

Dimitris