I wonder if is there any prejudice against the South American teams, because the attributes of the Brazilian Teams are much lower than the european ones. Besides,what's the point in having leagues such as norway, denmark, greece, isarel and turkey? Where is the Argentinian League, remember, they are two-time world champions.

Just tell me any players anybody else in the world would know from the Argentinian League!!I can tell some from the Greek one!

I don't need to name the players, the teams are more important. Teams such as Boca Juniors, Independiente, Velez , and many others. But i can name Chilavert the goal-keeper who almost took France out of the 1998 World Cup, but i can assure you there are much more good players than on the greek one. But please let me know some "players"from the nasty greek league

For both of you:

Competitive soccer is mainly divided in two: Europe and South America. It is undeniable that the FIFA Series is completely unbalanced, having 17 leagues from the "European" side and only one league from the South American side.

About the players: I guess you can remember players like Batistuta, but HE DIDN'T START PLAYING IN FIORE. He started in an Argentinian team (I really don't know which one), but definitely teams like River Plate, Boca Juniors and so on are really important on the international scene.

The main problem is: European people gets to know more about European teams, and American people (I don't mean US people) doesn't know about European teams that much, AND also has knowledge of American teams.

The final note: there isn't any team from Africa, and it isn't showed up on this forum because (I guess) not many people from African countries have either FIFA99 or Internet access, but I've always thought these teams should also be included.

s for the Argentinian League: I read that EA needs an AFA license to include in the game...

People are so ignorant. The Argentinan League is way superior compared to any European League except Italy, Spain,England, and maybe Germany and France...
Better clubs, better fans, everything, and of course, excelent players.

The Mexican league is also highly competitive,and boasts players like Bebeto, Berti, Estay and many others that play on important national teams...

Hey, come on! I agree with you about putting Argentinian league in Fifa series, but don't compare Argent. Leag. to Serie A, Premier League, Primera Division, Bundesliga, because its just funny, almost all argentinian stars play in Europe! I don't know how Palermo stays in Boca Juniors! Ofcourse, Boca Juniors is a very strong team, but in Europe he would get a lot of experience of high class football, and I think he would become a better player than he is know. Anyway, I think they should put arg. l., and maybe Mexican, Russian.

Cheers.

And! I forgot!

The day before yesterday was a Friendly match between Greece and Mexico, guess who won? GREECE!

Greece - Mexico
3 2

So, what did you say about Greek "players"?
he-he.

GREECE HAS GIOVANNI,ZAHOVIC(Olympiakos)/Ciric,Petric
(AEK)/Pantic(Panionios)/Lukic(Paniliakos)/Valencia(Paok).
Also Olympiakos was in the 8 best teams of Europe last year.I hope you see now Mr Andreluiz!!!!

Boca Juniors, after travelling for 38 hours, beat Barcelona 3-2. Both temas played in the same halfs with the same teams (Starters and substitutes)
About greece, actually i cant remember any name of the Argentina 4 Greece 0 match back in the 94 WC. So please, just like i dont compare argentinian division to the Serie A, don't compare greek league to the Argentinian league.

I totally agree with you gaucho. Greek soccer sucks, so it shouldn't be on the fifa2000, as well as norwgian, and many others. Morerover, there should be a Libertadores Cup,. once there is the UEFA Champions Cup.

excuse me jameslight, i'm trying to talk serious here. i agree about some second division from sapin, england or italy, but 2nd division from asia?! c'mon, it shouldnt be even a first division from a league from asia before a divisional championship from england. Well, maybe the J-League, but only coz it's kind of funny (Like MLS, i'm american, but i follow it only for a few players, and basically to have fun watching like 10 amateur errors per minute)
And when u said a 2nd divison from america, about which league were u refering to? I can't find a decent league in america besides Argentina and Brazil. (You know, Argentina is in America)
Now, truely, in an arcade game like fifa, would u keep playing after being relegated to 2nd division after playing 40 games? I think that by now it's ok EA's decision to put a GAME OVER when u get relegated.(Besides, if u can't win at least 4 of 5 games in any FIFA series title, u really deserve it)

I think that EA should concentrate on putting in the lower divisions of the more important leagues instead of any of the Greek, Argintinian or any other league which nobody cares about or are of a lower standard. There should 2 or 3 division in the more inportant european, american and asian leagues so there can be a a decent promotion and relegation system.

Yes, I was thinking of brazilian and argentinian league when i said american leagues and maybe you i right about the asian leagues, but i disagree about regeagtion. A lot of people(including me) would probably like the challange of trying to get into top flight football after being relaged, or maybe people would like starting as the worst team in England and 3 or 4 years later becoming champions of Europe. It must be very boring becoming champions of europe as man united, what is the point?

Please, be real dear European friends.
Everybody knows that some South American teams are better than European ones. As you know, Palmeiras (The Champion of Libertadores), has recently beaten an Italian team which has just started on Serie A by 15-0. I challenge any European team to beat Botafogo-SP or Gama by 15-0 in Brazil. Fifa 2000 should have 16 Brazilian teams, 16 Argentinean teams and 16 "Rest of South America" teams such as Peñarol, Colo-Colo, Deportivo Cali and others. Please reply. Iwant to know your opinions too.

Please, be real dear European friends.
Everybody knows that some South American teams are better than European ones. As you know, Palmeiras (The Champion of Libertadores), has recently beaten an Italian team which has just started on Serie A by 15-0. I challenge any European team to beat Botafogo-SP or Gama by 15-0 in Brazil. Fifa 2000 should have 16 Brazilian teams, 16 Argentinean teams and 16 "Rest of South America" teams such as Peñarol, Colo-Colo, Deportivo Cali and others. Please reply. I want to know your opinions too.

I am a neutral on this topic coming from NZ in the OCEANIA region and I cant understand why the Argentinian league is not included in FIFA2000.
Also why they are putting on these pethitic leagues like Israel and others and not Argentina.
A South African club team on FIFA2000 would be quite good, come on EA Sports look outside the square (Europe clubs) we want it to be a GLOBAL game.

I am wondering why you did put this topic here at soccer gaming website.
it is very stupid.
Because nationally, Mexico, Brazil, Argentine, and every national team is very strong and has won a lot of World Cups and any important competitions.
Right?
So there is nothing about south american leagues to put on fifa 2000.

To Soccerman,You are wondering why i did put this topic here at soccer gaming website.coz, it is very stupid. Actually, it's not stupid. It shows that the people who made the fifa series, although it's the best game on soccer than ever, has no clue where the real good soccer is. And i ask again, what is the point in having leagues from Greek, Turkey, Norweg, and elsewhere there is a poor soccer. And not having the argentinian league, and some other south american teams like murilo so wisely suggested. I agrre with the J-league. But greek and turkey and sweden SUCKS.
So please don't tell that the topic i suggested is STUPID. MAybe u just not able to follow it.

Hey JIMMIOUS i agree with u about that greeks teams have good player like Pantic,Ciric,Petric and Lukic.
all these players r yugoslavia and they play on these greek teams but argentina is also one of the best team in the world.
i mean they had the greaest player of all time(MARENDONA,i think thats how u spell it).

hey ANDRELUIZ
i think what u wrote to Soccerman is right and wrong because sewden,greek, and those rther leagues don't suck
but i do agree with u that the argentian league is way more conpetitive in many ways and there players r not as skilled as argentina leauge.If they should have to take out a leauge to put argentina i think they should take out both american and english leauge because i hate the way the english play soccer and i just think the us league is a joke they don't even have skills,no wonder they can't win a game in the world cup

all though i agree with putting aregntian leauge
i still think that the soccer in europe is much more better soccer
i mean the CHAMPIONS LEAUGE in europe is the best soccer ull ever see in the world

this is to james light i think that your wrong why do u think that england,italy or spain are better then greek or argent or yugo team just because all they show on tv r team like MAN UTD. which suck they don't know how to play.i think that all soccer leagues are inportant because it not always a spanish team that win or english or italy but even if they do it because of foren players.EX.1991 FK red star won the whole thing and other will too.so if u think that just your teams is all they should have well that woulnd'nt be right

To cetnik,
I just used england,italy and spain as examples of teams that should have 2nd and 3rd divisions.
I do not know a lot about S. American leagues so i do not have an opinion aboutt whether they should be included or not.
I think one way to resolve the problem(the problem being EA not puuting the leagues that people like) would be to have different versions of the games with different sets of leagues, like what was done with Championship Manager 2. Maybe there could be one version with the different leagues, with 2 or 3 divisions, for each continent. This would mean that people only have the leagues that they are interested in.

all of you don't know the main. how can idiots like americans include all those leagues in fifa when they don't know **** about soccer, and yet they are making the game. speaking of which leagues should be added , yugoslavian league, should go before both greek and argentinian, because yugo teams export the most players in the world. In fifa 99 almost every team has at least 1 yugo player, some of them having 4-5 like greek teams who survive on serbian players. so stop your arguing about arg. or greek team , because their clubs never won any prestigious competition. by the way english soccer sucks, it's just that it is being publisized, so that's why it gets all the attention. english national team also sucks as you can see in euro 2000 qualifications standings(3rd). why is there an english league is my first question? they should just put man u and arsenal in rest of europe and that's it

zivela srbija.

Sorry to inform you all BUT the teams of the leagues have nothing to do with the national teams.Specifically here in Greece our national team sucks because there is no organisation.The nation does not care at all about our national team and so the players don't train together at all and our coaches suck.But our league is much better.More players:
Asanovic/Mykland/Pflipsen/Vairouat(NATIONAL FRENCH PLAYER IN 3RD CATEGORY!!!!)/Galleto(for Argentinians!)/Warzycha/Gluscevic/Ofori-Quaye/Petric/Bjekovic and so on...

i think argentina should be one of the leagues in fifa2000. brazil too, but the teams should be as good as the european ones.. besides most of the european soccer stars are from south america. how many greek/swedish/norweggian/belgium teams have won the champions league? or has beaten the south american champion?

OK to kick off I'm English and this is probably the best subject on the forum and I'd like to thank andreluiz personaly for starting this big discussion.

Firstly there is too much bitterness in the opinions and alot of them are way over the top and are unrealistic biased opinions.

Surely no one in there true mind can honestly say that the Argentinian league and some strong S.American teams be excluded from FIFA 2000 when there are weak leagues such as (Greece,Israel,Norway,Sweden and Turkey).

Now to the rough comments I dont think anyone has the right to curse England or English teams i.e (Cetnik_011) especially as anyone supporting their team would surely fear playing England in the World Cup we all remember the Argentina game which was nearly an emmbarcment for Argentina weather their team be mighty Brazil to little New Zealand or even Yugoslavia (with a big mouth who knows nothing period about football)i.e(coa_034).Let any team play against Liverpool,Man.UTD or Arsenal and we'll see one of the best games football has to offer.

Lastly we should all get rid of our hate and learn how to help football become a better sport, at the end of the day like FIFA 2000 its only a game... COME ON GANG LETS NOT FORGET FIFA AND EA SPORTS ONLY SUPPORTS FAIR PLAY!!! Ain't that right RIC???

Wow! I really thought this topic was about the merits of including more South American teams in FIFA 2000. Instead it is more like a political forum.
You know I have been playing FIFA since the days of the SEGA Genesis. I have always looked forward to having more teams. Here is my solution for the Asian, Swedish, and other supposedly inferior leagues. If you don't like them, just don't play for them. I personaly do not use these teams, but that is my choice. Someone else may like them, and that is fine. I like having the choice.
I was born in Brazil, but have lived most of my life in the USA. I like having the Brazilian League as an option. Sure most of the teams are weak in comparison to the European clubs, but I see it as a challenge. I seem to do fine when playing in create a league mode, playing for Sao Paulo against the European powers.
I think the Mexican and Argentinian leagues should be added. The caliber of players available in these leagues is above average. A "Rest of South America" would also suffice in addressing any other needs. Having Bolivar and Colo Colo, for example, would be enough, without having to include Bolivian and Chilean leagues. There is just no merit for it. Maybe having a "Rest of South America" group would be a token gesture, but it is sufficient.
Nevertheless,I think FIFA 2000 will be a great product.
On a different note, I hope they balance the level of complexity. Amateur level was very easy, but it was quite a jump to the next level. A more gradual increase in the complexity rating would be better.

Acctually when i suggested this topic it wasn't my intention to discuss who are the best leagues on the world. First of all, because everyone knows that Brazil, Italy, Spain, England and Argentina have the best ones. But i don't care if there are some other medium level leagues such as France, Germany, and Portugal. Or even the funny ones like MLS, Japan ou Korea. But Greece, Norweg, Belgium, Sweden, and the others it's a pain in the ass. I never use them. What i woud like to see is more south american teams even if is't not a argentinian league, but a rest of south america league or a Libertadores Cup. And the attributes of the south american teams should be equal to the european ones. Afterall the south american are the best players of the world. There are also very good european players , i know. When i play Fifa99 i use England. And to finish, despite i ask for the argentinian league i'm brazilian. see u.

I would like to give some player names from Galatasaray (Turkey's Best Team http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif)
Taffarel(Brazil international goalkeeper),Hagi(captain of romania according to me best midfielder in the world i hope u watched him if not u missed much),Popescu (Former captain of barcelona)
these are just our foreigners.Only players from galatasaray.I want to mention Hakan Sukur(Former Europe Top Goalscorer ) Too.
These are just little examples.I want to give some scores too.Galatasaray participated in all champ leagues except one.We missed quarter final by goal difference to juventus.Galatasaray eliminated man utd in champ league qual. round.Fenerbahce beat man utd in old trafford.Galatasaray beat barcelona,athletico madrid in champ league.
So do not underestimate other leagues.And i accept that argentinian league is a must.

Someone suggested in another topic to put ALL the european leagues, some south americans and some from the rest of the world. It would be nice but the game would be real BIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIG. But if think EA should do this and allow users to choose in the installation menu the leagues they want to install. Wouldn't it be nice?

We wanna see Argentine (Boca Juniors, River Plate, Independiente, Central..)and Peruvian leagues (Universitario, alianza lima, sporting cristal...) it's about time fifa guys...

That was me, andreluiz
And I think it is wright, 'cause Premier Manager did this job, and quite well

Many of you need to read the post by LFC Fowler Owen England above. I got kinda lax I guess in watching this forum for racial slurs and very nasty remarks because it was going fine there for a while. Since this forum has opened I've only had to block one person from posting, and have had to send warnings to only two others I believe.

I think everyone should be able to express their own opinion without the worry of someone ready to edit their thoughts. I am able to edit any message, but will not. A constructive argument is fine. But, if you feel you need to resort to insulting someone by using racial slurs or if you think you're clever by getting around the built in "bad" words screener, then I will just delete the whole message. Those are the only rules I have and they are very simple. If you have to post a message using that type of language or verbiage, then your thought isn’t worth reading.

Remember this when having an "argument" with someone. FAIR PLAY !!!! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif