I think Myles Palmer from ANR sums it up nicely:

"NEVER, never, never have I seen such a blatant dive in a match between two Premiership teams.

Van Nistelrooy dashed between two defenders and couldn't reach the ball, so he threw himself to the deck.

This is a player I used to respect!

RUUD, YOU ARE A CREEP !

GO BACK TO TULIPLAND !

So glad you won't be at the World Cup. You don't deserve to be there.

The referee Rob Styles was the only man in the gound who thought it was a penalty.

Ruud, you looked embarrassed.You looked very embarrassed.

You knew that contact,if any, was minimal and you did NOT expect a penalty to be given.

You scored from the spot and I switched off in disgust."

It was a dive worthy of a place in the Dutch Olympic Diving team, and worse this scant act of cheating, along with a diabolical decision from a referee whom I think is a w*nker anyway could well have cost Ipswich Town about £10,000,000 in TV money for next season and a place in the Nationwide League.

How the ref could say that was a penalty only his lobotomised mind would know - is it another case of one rule for Man U and one rule for everyone else again? Debatable perhaps, but what is true is that Man U did not deserve to win.

Typical gamesmanship from Van Kneestillsore - with hope of meeting the ball gone, he took plan B and threw himself to the ground in a bid to fool the referee. He succeeded, and now Ipswich have to beat Scousers by a big score and hope Mackems lose to Derby.

What the f*ck is wrong with the EPL's referees these days? I reckon the game should be replayed. It's happened in other countries after a scandalous decision, so why can't it happen in this case?

what does it matter anyway, Ipswich wil still go down, they wont beat liverpool.

Originally posted by [= JJ =]

Typical gamesmanship from Van Kneestillsore - with hope of meeting the ball gone, he took plan B and threw himself to the ground in a bid to fool the referee. He succeeded, and now Ipswich have to beat Scousers by a big score and hope Mackems lose to Derby.

Ruud is one of the classiest/least diving players in the world. He may have dived, but I've really never seen him do it before. The simple fact he "looked embarrassed" allows me to retain my full respect for him.

I don't support Tractor Boys - I was having a go at Cheating Scum United...

True, Ipswich aren't good for the Prem, but if Kneecap Man hadn't have dived they would have earned a point, which would have still not been enough to stay up no matter what. They got a tough game next week anyway.

Originally posted by jogi
I think Myles Palmer from ANR sums it up nicely:

"NEVER, never, never have I seen such a blatant dive in a match between two Premiership teams.

Van Nistelrooy dashed between two defenders and couldn't reach the ball, so he threw himself to the deck.

This is a player I used to respect!

RUUD, YOU ARE A CREEP !

GO BACK TO TULIPLAND !

So glad you won't be at the World Cup. You don't deserve to be there.

The referee Rob Styles was the only man in the gound who thought it was a penalty.

Ruud, you looked embarrassed.You looked very embarrassed.

You knew that contact,if any, was minimal and you did NOT expect a penalty to be given.

You scored from the spot and I switched off in disgust."

Watch it pal, you are threading on very thin ice here :mad:
Surely you must be joking right?
van Nistelrooy is one of the best players around and he only wants to win games for ManU so he made a mistake for once..!
"Tulipland"???!!!
What the hell kind of remark is that? you want to start something here! You think you can come in here and trash a player like Ruud? You got an other thing coming.
The players in our team are very good and it's a pity they didn't qualify for the WC 2002.
So Yogi or whatever the hell your name is, if you can't write something to add to this forum stay the hell out!!
Most of the guys here admire Ruud for what he is, a class player who deserved to be player of the year in the EPL.
Tulipland my @ss! :monkey:

guys i go for arsenal right and im fuming about this. but then i realize that this is where the refs start to favour the league champions because lets face it man u finishing 2nd that is unheard of. i hope arsenal win tonight.

Originally posted by Silencer


Watch it pal, you are threading on very thin ice here :mad:
Surely you must be joking right?
van Nistelrooy is one of the best players around and he only wants to win games for ManU so he made a mistake for once..!
"Tulipland"???!!!
What the hell kind of remark is that? you want to start something here! You think you can come in here and trash a player like Ruud? You got an other thing coming.
The players in our team are very good and it's a pity they didn't qualify for the WC 2002.
So Yogi or whatever the hell your name is, if you can't write something to add to this forum stay the hell out!!
Most of the guys here admire Ruud for what he is, a class player who deserved to be player of the year in the EPL.
Tulipland my @ss! :monkey:

hey silencer i am not going to bag holland first of all they areone of my favourite countries and my adopted team in the world cup when australia dont make it every year ... BUT what Ruud did is in excusable... i have never been so disgusted at an act in all my life.. he should be ashamed of himself and should be spoken to by seniour officials at united... if he claimed he slipped when he gets quizzed about it ( which is sure to happen ) then he should have told the ref before the penalty was taken !
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO GAMES MAN SHIP ????

What a crappy thread!!!!!!!:rolleyes: Big deal!!!!! So he dived, many players dived before and you guys don't say anything, so why should Ruud Van Nistelrooy diving be a big deal? If you had a chance to win a game for your team and give tham a better chance of getting the title, wouldn't you take risks???? You bloody haters think you're all so perfect.:mad:

Originally posted by maddog1983


hey silencer i am not going to bag holland first of all they areone of my favourite countries and my adopted team in the world cup when australia dont make it every year ... BUT what Ruud did is in excusable... i have never been so disgusted at an act in all my life.. he should be ashamed of himself and should be spoken to by seniour officials at united... if he claimed he slipped when he gets quizzed about it ( which is sure to happen ) then he should have told the ref before the penalty was taken !
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO GAMES MAN SHIP ????
You're a joke.
Do you watch soccer?
Yes it's the beautiful game but there are continual dives adn fake injuries like that in every league.
The title race is extremely tight and it's coming down to the last few games. Why the **** would he tell the ref he slipped even if he did. Honestly, he had the opportunity, he did it, he may have felt bad about it, but they ****ing won the game and kept their hopes alive and well.
You guys are idiots, honestly. Just because it's Man U.
I support man U and some of their competition, so I'm not being biased.
Ruud is a ****ing awesome and class player.
Holland is a great country and one of/if not the best soccer country in th eworld.

I'm not dutch

Originally posted by manufan
What a crappy thread!!!!!!!:rolleyes: Big deal!!!!! So he dived, many players dived before and you guys don't say anything, so why should Ruud Van Nistelrooy diving be a big deal? If you had a chance to win a game for your team and give tham a better chance of getting the title, wouldn't you take risks???? You bloody haters think you're all so perfect.:mad:

Figures a Man Utd fan would defend Ruud. :) (j/k) I'm not happy with what happened, but hey, it happens...what can you do...Ruud did what he had to do to win for his team, it was mostly put to the ref.

It's a crying shame that Man Utd had to resort to a dive in order to beat a side that's headed for relegation...I thought you guys were supposed to be good footballers?? Crying shame...

It's all a matter of sportsmanship. Man Utd just didn't have it in them to beat a scrappy Ipswich team that weren't going to be relegated without a fight. So they did what they had to do, no matter the reprecussions, to win. Like I said before, while I'm not happy about it, not as an Arsenal fan but as a football fan, it does happen. Every team is guilty of what Ruud did.

I agree with La Brujita, Ruud is definitely has a good reputation and is a classy player. I personally HAVE lost a little respect for him, but not much. I just think that as strong a side as Man Utd are, they should have won this square and fair and not have resorted to that.

But like I said, every team does it...

Ruud just did what he had to do...it was up to the ref to take care of business and he didn't. All the people here blaming Ruud are placing their blame in the wrong place...

It's about 10% Ruud's fault, 90% the ref's.

Let the first person free of sin cast the first stone...:o

Thanx for the support guys :D
Ok what Ruud did was NOT pretty, I admit that but how many players take a dive in football nowadays.......A LOT!!
If Ruud can decide a game by taking a dive or any other player for that matter he or they do it with pleasure.
If this was a dive against Leverkusen I would be happier though ;)
Anyway, my respect for Ruud still is the same cause every player takes a dive if it means that his team could win the match.
Normally Ruud is absolutely NO diver because he wants to win a game with great goals and sportmanship cause that's the guy he is. If there is ANY player who does not do these things on purpous it's Ruud van Nistelrooy and knowing him he's sorry for Ipswitch and Martijn Reuser but his team is greatfull and so are the fans cause it means another three valuable points.
C'mon guys, if you are disgusted by this dive or your respect for Ruud has been broken by this I find it ridiculous because how many dives did Ruud made in the last season??
That's right..........O N E and there are not many players that can say the same.

Not every players dives. We need more Robbie Fowler's and less Ruud van Nistelrooy's in football today. Does anyone remember Fowler back in '97 when Arsenal and Liverpool were playing at Highbury, when both teams were still in the title race? He went after a through ball, David Seaman came out of his goal, Fowler jumped over Seaman and fell over when he landed. The ref called a penalty, Fowler protested, saying Seaman never touched him, but the ref still called a penalty (he later said he didn't hear Fowler's protests). Fowler took it, it was a weak penalty and Seaman saved it but only to Jason McAteer who slammed in the rebound.

Ruud even made claims for a penalty, even though no-one touched him. That's why he is a cheat.

Originally posted by jogi
Not every players dives. We need more Robbie Fowler's and less Ruud van Nistelrooy's in football today. Does anyone
There's no way you can use Ruud as an example of a player having a negative impact on football. THat's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure that is the first time I've ever seen Ruud dive all season. what you just said is pretty amazing.
Ruud is arguably the best striker in the world right now, a class guy, and rarely puts up a fuss of any kind on the field. So if anything, we need more Ruuds.

Originally posted by jogi

Ruud even made claims for a penalty, even though no-one touched him. That's why he is a cheat.

yeah i wanted to add that too .. but i forgot

as for you la brujita what you said about what i said ... this brings my point up of why soccer gets no recognition in Australia because to many players fake injuries , fake dives , fake off the ball incidents thus turn the game into a "mickey mouse" game ! it sh*ts me something chronic that people accept it ...

as for you slamming everything i said maybe i was a bit passionate after liverpool had just lost and man utd had won (the way they did) ... either way nothing excuses what ruud did ... you dont claim for a penalty like that simply disgracefull !

Originally posted by manufan
If you had a chance to win a game for your team and give tham a better chance of getting the title, wouldn't you take risks???? You bloody haters think you're all so perfect.:mad:

so you would offer your opponent a bribe in the world title bout because you knew it garanteed you the title ? idiot !
we are not just man u haters but haters of blatant cheating

Originally posted by maddog1983


hey silencer i am not going to bag holland first of all they areone of my favourite countries and my adopted team in the world cup when australia dont make it every year ... BUT what Ruud did is in excusable... i have never been so disgusted at an act in all my life.. he should be ashamed of himself and should be spoken to by seniour officials at united... if he claimed he slipped when he gets quizzed about it ( which is sure to happen ) then he should have told the ref before the penalty was taken !
WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO GAMES MAN SHIP ????

Why am I not surprised to see a Liverpool supporter upset about this...

Now that Liverpool have ZERO chance of winning ANYTHING this season if Arsenal win tonight!!!

You'll never walk alone?

Sorry Amika and Maddog1983

Liversh!t just did

i wonder if Ruud realises the consequences of his actions, Ipswich will most likely be relegated into the debt ridden Nationwide league, which would cripple them finiancially and put them out of buisness.

and this isnt the first time Ruud has taken a dive this season, hes actually dived a few times, only a few, so hes not that bad a cheat. but hopefully the ref will get an eye examination after that disgraceful decision.....:D

did i hear manufan correctly? are you sayin you wouldnt mind cheating if it meant you would win? if the only way you could beat a relegation doomed side to keep your title hopes alive was to cheat, you would do it? well a side who needs to cheat to win things doesnt deserve to win at all if they cant do it like the other sides, through passion, commitment, skill, determination, teamwork,etc,etc

i just hope that Ruud apoligises for his actions, because hes a great player, and one i would be scared of if rangers ever played man u:)

Originally posted by maddog1983


so you would offer your opponent a bribe in the world title bout because you knew it garanteed you the title ? idiot !
we are not just man u haters but haters of blatant cheating

Oh goodness! You are changing up my words. I said to take RISKS!!!!!!! that means taking the chance of getting sent off for diving in order to win a penalty!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: Bloody hell!!!!!!!!! Don't take your fuc.king anger out on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Originally posted by rvd313

did i hear manufan correctly? are you sayin you wouldnt mind cheating if it meant you would win? if the only way you could beat a relegation doomed side to keep your title hopes alive was to cheat, you would do it? well a side who needs to cheat to win things doesnt deserve to win at all if they cant do it like the other sides, through passion, commitment, skill, determination, teamwork,etc,etc


Put yourself in that situation. You are going for the ball, two defenders sandwich you, the game's almost over, Celtic lost, you have a chance to get a penalty. Wouldn't you take that chance for the sake of Rangers' title hopes? And it's not as if they didn't make contact, they did make contact with him so he has every right to go down. The only arguement you guys have is that the contact wasn't strong enough to knock him down but it doesn't matter. It's not as if he just threw himself on the ground for no reason. They still made contact. See, you guys don't understand the pressures that these players go through. You just sit in front of your computers and criticize them, when you don't even know what they're feeling or thinking. And please don't make me look like the villain.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by manufan


Put yourself in that situation. You are going for the ball, two defenders sandwich you, the game's almost over, Celtic lost, you have a chance to get a penalty. Wouldn't you take that chance for the sake of Rangers' title hopes? And it's not as if they didn't make contact, they did make contact with him so he has every right to go down. The only arguement you guys have is that the contact wasn't strong enough to knock him down but it doesn't matter. It's not as if he just threw himself on the ground for no reason. They still made contact. See, you guys don't understand the pressures that these players go through. You just sit in front of your computers and criticize them, when you don't even know what they're feeling or thinking. And please don't make me look like the villain.:rolleyes:
i would never cheat to win a game, i would prefer to win it the honest way, teams who cheat to win dont deserve to win at all. for example Marseille bribed a team in a match to win the french league, they won, got caught, were stripped of their title and banned from european football. i believe that diving is just as bad as bribing teams, so i hope the league isnt decided because RVN wanted to try out for the dutch swimming team.:rolleyes:

they made contact? so what? thats your argument?!:D HAHAHAHA........football`s a contact sport, i mean its not like one of the players pushed him or tugged his jersey or anything, if they did that it would be ok, because he would be just letting the ref know he was being fouled, like Nicola Amoruso vs. Celtic:D

by the way, have you even been to a football game or played in a competitive match? by your arguments it doesnt sound like you have.:mambo:

Originally posted by rvd313



by the way, have you even been to a football game or played in a competitive match? by your arguments it doesnt sound like you have.:mambo:

You guys just love to insult do you?:p Of course I've played a competetive match!!!!!! Anyways, I won't bother to argue anymore, I have enough people who hate me on this forum anyways.:rolleyes:

I don't see what the big damn deal is...

Yeah, he dove, but it as up to the REF to make the call.

EVERY TEAM is guilty of what Ruud did, rvd313, even your precious Rangers. The fact that Ipswich were relegated because of the match's result is SOOOOOOOO irrelevent. A dive is a dive is a dive. It wouldn't make a difference if the dive was during the first game of of season or the champions league final. The simple truth is that it happens, every team does it and it's the ref's responsibility to determine if it's a dive or not. I think there should HARSH reprecussions for divers, as I think it takes away from the game, but to sit here and bad mouth Ruud is HYPOCRITICAL. Ruud shouldn't be the only person getting flak over a dive...all people guilty of it should have to answer as well...

First off - yeah Ruud dived, and it was wrong, it was cheap, but a lot of other players do too.

BUT for those who are defending RvN tell me this; if in the last game of the season Liverpool needed to win the title over United and Emile Heskey flopped in the box, won a penalty and Liverpool won the league over United - would you congratulate Liverpool for winning the title and commend Heskey for "taking risks for his team"?

I think not. Just admit it was wrong and move on. This thread could have been difused so easily that way, "Yeah, it was wrong, but Ruud has a gazillion goals this season and United won 23 other games this season."

Originally posted by manufan


Oh goodness! You are changing up my words. I said to take RISKS!!!!!!! that means taking the chance of getting sent off for diving in order to win a penalty!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: Bloody hell!!!!!!!!! Don't take your fuc.king anger out on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

Manufan,
C'mon buddy, using your logic then Edgar Davids wasn't cheating by taking Nandralone- he was just taking RISKS!!!!!!!! ;) to help his team win. If he got away with taking drugs he'd help his team by playing like a maniac, and if he didn't get away with it he'd get suspended. Cheating is cheating mate, you can't justify it. Your team has won 23 other games so just admit it was cheating, shrug your sholders and move on - it's not that big of a deal. If Ruud didn't get the penalty he probably would have scored in the 90th minute anyway... ;)

Originally posted by Jono82


Why am I not surprised to see a Liverpool supporter upset about this...

Now that Liverpool have ZERO chance of winning ANYTHING this season if Arsenal win tonight!!!

You'll never walk alone?

Sorry Amika and Maddog1983

Liversh!t just did

I love you Jono, you bitter sh!ts always make me laugh. This is all you have in life - waiting for us to fail because you'll never be anything until you bitter bluesh!te bastards wake up and see how far and how low you have fallen instead of concentrating on us. When will Everton ever win the league? When will they even get close to winning the league or the CL? You think David Moyes will take the "people's club" to the promised land? Don't make me laugh mate, just like Walter Smith it'll be a blip of a few wins and then normal service resumed as you fight your yearly battle with relegation.

What you lot get now is karma for "bananas for Barnes", for not staying silent for the 96 (that was the last straw for me) and for generally being bitter twats.

Hey, last year you lot chased out Nyarko, who you chasing out this year? Or do you lot only chase out black players - judging from your support I gather that's the case....

Originally posted by bertkamp16
I don't see what the big damn deal is...

Yeah, he dove, but it as up to the REF to make the call.

EVERY TEAM is guilty of what Ruud did, rvd313, even your precious Rangers. The fact that Ipswich were relegated because of the match's result is SOOOOOOOO irrelevent.
your obviously living in a fantasy land:rolleyes: not every team is guilty of having divers in their team, i cant even think of a single time a Rangers player took a dive, well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s. thats the point, it was so blatant, how could the ref miss it? some dives aren`t as bad as that, and yes i have seen more blatant dives than it too. Ruud is a good player and he really shouldnt need to resort to "looking for the swimming pool".

irrelevent? are you crazy?! if arsenal were fighting relegation, and needed a win and Sergei Rebrov:D took a blatant dive, won a penalty, scored and relegated your "precious" arsenal:rolleyes: would you beleive that to be irrelevent? i dont think so.....

diving needs to be stamped out of football and i think the English FA should start by relegating Man U from the Premiership:D ;)

Originally posted by rvd313

your obviously living in a fantasy land:rolleyes: not every team is guilty of having divers in their team, i cant even think of a single time a Rangers player took a dive, well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s. thats the point, it was so blatant, how could the ref miss it? some dives aren`t as bad as that, and yes i have seen more blatant dives than it too. Ruud is a good player and he really shouldnt need to resort to "looking for the swimming pool".

irrelevent? are you crazy?! if arsenal were fighting relegation, and needed a win and Sergei Rebrov took a blatant dive, won a penalty, scored and relegated your "precious" arsenal:rolleyes: would you beleive that to be irrelevent? i dont think so.....

diving needs to be stamped out of football and i think the English FA should start by relegating Man U from the Premiership

Well for starters, rvd313, never at any point did I say that every team has divers. Don't put words in my mouth...Not every team has a player with a reputation for diving. But EVERY TEAM dives...it happens and it's a fact. Your WERE going to say that the Rangers never dive but when you saw that you were about to make a liar out of yourself, you added the stipulation "well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s." So you do ADMIT that the Rangers dive, just not "as blantantly:rolleyes: I think you made yourself look pretty dumb there. So what you're telling me is that not only do the Rangers dive, but they don't do it as "blatantly", which effectively makes them better cheaters...is that what you're telling me???:rolleyes:

I can see that you TOTALLY missed what I meant when I said that the Ipswich's situation was irrelevent. I said that because a dive is NEVER acceptable. Like I said before whether "the dive was during the first game of of season or the champions league final." It is still unsportsmanlike and doesn't belong in the game.

My "precious" Arsenal, LOL LOL....

"i think the English FA should start by relegating Man U from the Premiership" Oh yeah, this makes a lot of sense...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Neutral LFC



Manufan,
C'mon buddy, using your logic then Edgar Davids wasn't cheating by taking Nandralone- he was just taking RISKS!!!!!!!! ;) to help his team win. If he got away with taking drugs he'd help his team by playing like a maniac, and if he didn't get away with it he'd get suspended. Cheating is cheating mate, you can't justify it. Your team has won 23 other games so just admit it was cheating, shrug your sholders and move on - it's not that big of a deal. If Ruud didn't get the penalty he probably would have scored in the 90th minute anyway... ;)




Fair enough m8.

Originally posted by bertkamp16


Well for starters, rvd313, never at any point did I say that every team has divers. Don't put words in my mouth...Not every team has a player with a reputation for diving. But EVERY TEAM dives...it happens and it's a fact. Your WERE going to say that the Rangers never dive but when you saw that you were about to make a liar out of yourself, you added the stipulation "well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s." So you do ADMIT that the Rangers dive, just not "as blantantly:rolleyes: I think you made yourself look pretty dumb there. So what you're telling me is that not only do the Rangers dive, but they don't do it as "blatantly", which effectively makes them better cheaters...is that what you're telling me???:rolleyes:

I can see that you TOTALLY missed what I meant when I said that the Ipswich's situation was irrelevent. I said that because a dive is NEVER acceptable. Like I said before whether "the dive was during the first game of of season or the champions league final." It is still unsportsmanlike and doesn't belong in the game.

My "precious" Arsenal, LOL LOL....

"i think the English FA should start by relegating Man U from the Premiership" Oh yeah, this makes a lot of sense...:rolleyes:

I told you, it's all about Man Utd. If a Rangers player dove, he could've cared less.:rolleyes:

One dive and peaople start to lose respect for a player, If any of you watch Serie A you must have no respect for any of their players. Di Canio won the Fair play award and look how much penalties he has scored through diving. He did what he had to do.

Aresnal/Liverpool fans stop moaning it happens all the time in football, you are behaving like its the only diving incident of the season.

Ipswich will not get relegated and lose all that money because of Van Nistelrooy diving, they have been crap all season so they deserve to go down.

Originally posted by Jono82


Why am I not surprised to see a Liverpool supporter upset about this...

Now that Liverpool have ZERO chance of winning ANYTHING this season if Arsenal win tonight!!!

You'll never walk alone?

Sorry Amika and Maddog1983

Liversh!t just did

what can i say jono... your sh!ty team lost the final home game as well yesterday.. :D

Originally posted by Neutral LFC
First off - yeah Ruud dived, and it was wrong, it was cheap, but a lot of other players do too.

BUT for those who are defending RvN tell me this; if in the last game of the season Liverpool needed to win the title over United and Emile Heskey flopped in the box, won a penalty and Liverpool won the league over United - would you congratulate Liverpool for winning the title and commend Heskey for "taking risks for his team"?

I think not. Just admit it was wrong and move on. This thread could have been difused so easily that way, "Yeah, it was wrong, but Ruud has a gazillion goals this season and United won 23 other games this season."



Manufan,
C'mon buddy, using your logic then Edgar Davids wasn't cheating by taking Nandralone- he was just taking RISKS!!!!!!!! ;) to help his team win. If he got away with taking drugs he'd help his team by playing like a maniac, and if he didn't get away with it he'd get suspended. Cheating is cheating mate, you can't justify it. Your team has won 23 other games so just admit it was cheating, shrug your sholders and move on - it's not that big of a deal. If Ruud didn't get the penalty he probably would have scored in the 90th minute anyway... ;)



I love you Jono, you bitter sh!ts always make me laugh. This is all you have in life - waiting for us to fail because you'll never be anything until you bitter bluesh!te bastards wake up and see how far and how low you have fallen instead of concentrating on us. When will Everton ever win the league? When will they even get close to winning the league or the CL? You think David Moyes will take the "people's club" to the promised land? Don't make me laugh mate, just like Walter Smith it'll be a blip of a few wins and then normal service resumed as you fight your yearly battle with relegation.

What you lot get now is karma for "bananas for Barnes", for not staying silent for the 96 (that was the last straw for me) and for generally being bitter twats.

Hey, last year you lot chased out Nyarko, who you chasing out this year? Or do you lot only chase out black players - judging from your support I gather that's the case....


As usual LFC neutral... you add so much cohesion (is that even a word) it is i think .. anyways ... cheating is wrong ! their is no way to justify it manufan:
if liverpool won the title over manutd by Owen taking a dive in the final game of the season i would feel embarrassed rather than happy that my team won that way ! your team would always be remembered as the team who cheated to win the title

Originally posted by Neutral LFC

I love you Jono, you bitter sh!ts always make me laugh. This is all you have in life - waiting for us to fail because you'll never be anything until you bitter bluesh!te bastards wake up and see how far and how low you have fallen instead of concentrating on us. When will Everton ever win the league? When will they even get close to winning the league or the CL? You think David Moyes will take the "people's club" to the promised land? Don't make me laugh mate, just like Walter Smith it'll be a blip of a few wins and then normal service resumed as you fight your yearly battle with relegation.

What you lot get now is karma for "bananas for Barnes", for not staying silent for the 96 (that was the last straw for me) and for generally being bitter twats.

Hey, last year you lot chased out Nyarko, who you chasing out this year? Or do you lot only chase out black players - judging from your support I gather that's the case....

If you love me, you are gay... just like EVERYONE at your Sh!tty club!

Everton had 2 thing in mind this season... SURVIVE and rebuild the squad!

I think we achieved Both of these things

now I am really going to laugh tonight when Arsenal puts the SH!T out of their misery if they win tonight...

I will laugh even harder when Ipswich rub salt into the wound by DEFEATING Liverpool!!!

Everton is Safe... I don't care what happens until the end of the season!

EVERTON should be in the top half of the Premiership with the rest of them. I just hope they start buying some new players so they can focus on getting back to old glory.

I'm really dissapointed that they were defeated yesterday by Blacksh!t Rovers. I hate that club and their idiotic manager Souness.

Look everybody, before starting World War III on these forums, let's just face that diving has become a major part of today's football culture. I know that it isn't the nicest aspect of football but it happens. Now to everyone who suddenly starts slagging off Van Nistelrooij: your forwards do it as well. There were three players around Van Nistelrooij, of course he then goes down, in the replay you can see that he tackles himself or he really fell (though that isn't a realistic option since Ruud has been able to walk for about 23 years :D). Thierry Henry, Heskey they all do it. So please just give me a break with your whining and "tulipland" comments.

How much longer will this thread continue? So if he cheated he cheated. Let's focus on the future shall we?

Don't get me wrong cause I'm not defending Nistelrooy. I'm an Arsenal fan :D

But how much longer will this thread keep going? Ipswich will probably be relegated anyhow.

Sorry to do this bloke but I had to add my twopenneth. :D

The way this thread started it was as if RvN was the first player to have ever 'fallen down easily' in the box. If he goes down and the ref thinks he took a dive it's a yellow card, obviously the ref didn't. I think Myles Palmer has never seen a football match before in his life. Always nice to start a thread with racist comments.

If it were any player from any other team and they had done it against Man Utd and stopped them winning the league he would become an instant hero. 'Yay, Man Utd can't win the league and to make it even better they lost the goal due to someone cheating'. This thread reeks of a double standard.

Tell me, how many times has Heskey made an effort to stay on his feet when a defender was within 5 yards of him this season? How many penalties have Arsenal won this season when there's been minimal contact? How many times has a player gone to ground in the history of football when there was very little contact? Now tell me, how come Van Nistelrooy becomes public enemy number one as soon as anyone gets the slightest sniff of a chance to start bad mouthing one of Man Utd's most honest and hardworking players?

Man Utd are always favoured by the refs, obviously. They are after all, the only team to get decisions go in their favour, aren't they Freddie Kanoute?...

I'm glad someone said we need more Robbie Fowlers and less Ruud Van Nistelrooy's after all, we've never seen Van Nistelrooy simulate cocaine sniffing, or participating in 'gamesmanship' with Le Saux. Great choice of role model.

Maybe Glasgow Rangers should change their name to Glasgow Angels and rename Ibrox, Cloud Nine? Never dived, that's a load bollox mate.

Originally posted by monkee


Tell me, how many times has Heskey made an effort to stay on his feet when a defender was within 5 yards of him this season? I'm glad someone said we need more Robbie Fowlers and less Ruud Van Nistelrooy's after all, we've never seen Van Nistelrooy simulate cocaine sniffing, or participating in 'gamesmanship' with Le Saux. Great choice of role model.

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well robbie has had his problems in the past but when it comes to football hes not to bad, but you look at many many superstars of the game and they have incidents they regret .. although maybe not on the sniffing the touchline example scale ... as for you accusing heskey of diving i ask you how many penalties have liverpool won this entire season ? when you find out the answer come back and talk to me .

If Fowler is guilty of anything, it's having a sense of humour. Which the FA obviously don't have. At least Fowler isn't a cheat.

And so what if others do it? Does that make it OK? I think every cheater in the game should be looked down upon, from Ginola to Totti to Van Nistelrooy.

And Myles Palmer has most definately seen a football match in his life:

He has been a football writer for The Scotsman, Scotland on Sunday, The Scottish Sunday Herald, FourFourTwo and 90 Minutes.

He also wrote a book on Arsene Wenger:
The Professor: The Biography of Arsene Wenger (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1852279915/ref=sr_aps_books_1_1/202-3705346-4960614)

He may be a sportswriter but I doubt he knows much about the sport after all if Van Nistelrooy's penalty was the most disgusting act he's ever seen in football then he's not seen Maradona's 'hand of god' goal (although I see the playfullness behind this goal, it's still blatent cheating on a grand scale), Tristan's attempt to break Beckham's leg (which Duscher finished off - albeit due to an overzealous and clumsy challenge), Jurgen Klinsmann (especially during Italia 1990), etc.

If you were to look down upon everyone who had ever dived you'd probably be left with Gary Lineker as the only player you don't look down upon.

I don't mind Fowler to be honest but it's a bad comparison, he's hardly a role model either on or off the pitch. As for Heskey diving, he goes down quite easy when he's within sneezing distance of an opposition player. You don't win a penalty every time you dive.

If you're all so concerned as to how Man Utd have deprived Ipswich of Premiership revenue, or the Premiership of Ipswich then maybe you should've written a letter to your favourite teams manager and asked them to 'please, please, please lose to Ipswich'. Or maybe hope that Liverpool let Ipswich win at Anfield and Sunderland lose.

Originally posted by monkee
He may be a sportswriter but I doubt he knows much about the sport after all if Van Nistelrooy's penalty was the most disgusting act he's ever seen in football

Where did he say that? He said:

"NEVER, never, never have I seen such a blatant dive in a match between two Premiership teams"

I don't think that's far from the truth.

Okay. In my surprise and anger at such an unjust and hypocritical attack on Ruud Van Nistelrooy I read your initial post wrongly. Apologies. I think that Van Nistelrooy is a cleaner, more honest player than most anyone else in the Premiership, that includes Owen and Henry.

I still think there have been more blatent dives in the history of the Premiership.

There's just more uproar about this from all but Man Utd supporters as it could be a decision that effects the outcome of the Premier League. Just like Kanoute's GOAL the other day against Arsenal. What goes around comes around, for all teams.

Originally posted by bertkamp16


Well for starters, rvd313, never at any point did I say that every team has divers. Don't put words in my mouth...Not every team has a player with a reputation for diving. But EVERY TEAM dives...it happens and it's a fact. Your WERE going to say that the Rangers never dive but when you saw that you were about to make a liar out of yourself, you added the stipulation "well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s." So you do ADMIT that the Rangers dive, just not "as blantantly I think you made yourself look pretty dumb there. So what you're telling me is that not only do the Rangers dive, but they don't do it as "blatantly", which effectively makes them better cheaters...is that what you're telling me???

I can see that you TOTALLY missed what I meant when I said that the Ipswich's situation was irrelevent. I said that because a dive is NEVER acceptable. Like I said before whether "the dive was during the first game of of season or the champions league final." It is still unsportsmanlike and doesn't belong in the game.

My "precious" Arsenal, LOL LOL....

"i think the English FA should start by relegating Man U from the Premiership" Oh yeah, this makes a lot of sense...:rolleyes:
:mambo: i never admitted that Rangers dive, all i said was that i had never seen a Rangers player dive, so dont try and be a smartarse:rolleyes:

maybe i just misread what you said on Ipswich.......

and the English FA comment was a joke, dumbass;)

Originally posted by monkee

Maybe Glasgow Rangers should change their name to Glasgow Angels and rename Ibrox, Cloud Nine? Never dived, that's a load bollox mate.
bollox? well if you can tell me one time where a Rangers player has dived, i`d be happy to retract my statement.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by manufan


I told you, it's all about Man Utd. If a Rangers player dove, he could've cared less.:rolleyes:
actually if a Rangers player took a dive i wouldnt want to see him in a royal blue jersey ever again. so there, smartass, its nothing to do with it being Man Utd, i always get angry when i see a player dive.

Originally posted by rvd313



and the English FA comment was a joke, dumbass;)

Hey!!!! Don't use my words!!!!!!!!!:p

Originally posted by rvd313

actually if a Rangers player took a dive i wouldnt want to see him in a royal blue jersey ever again. so there, smartass, its nothing to do with it being Man Utd, i always get angry when i see a player dive.

AAAAHHH!!!!! SHUD UP!!!!!!!! Don't give me that bull.:rolleyes: you'll never want to see him in a royal blue jersey again my arse!!!!:p

Originally posted by rvd313

:mambo: i never admitted that Rangers dive, all i said was that i had never seen a Rangers player dive, so dont try and be a smartarse:rolleyes:

maybe i just misread what you said on Ipswich.......

and the English FA comment was a joke, dumbass;)

Never admitted that Rangers dive??? You said "i cant even think of a single time a Rangers player took a dive, well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s. Not only did you admit it, you also admitted that they're better at it than Ruud is.:rolleyes:

"Misread" my comment...yeah, that's what I thought...

"Dumbass"??? Don't even get me started on you...Arguing with you is so simple considering that you're always putting your foot in your mouth (See my two previous statements) I think we all know who the dumbass is:rolleyes: ...

Originally posted by manufan


AAAAHHH!!!!! SHUD UP!!!!!!!! Don't give me that bull.:rolleyes: you'll never want to see him in a royal blue jersey again my arse!!!!:p

yeah what a cr*p sh*t this is.

!!! STOP WHINING !!!

EVERYBODY DIVES TO GET A PENALTY

And NO, NO, NO don't even start defending your side, or favourite player because you know I'm right. And please, please cut the bullsh*t about ManUtd sending down Ipswich because of a given penalty. Ipswich should have played better and collected more points.

stop complaining guys... this is the element of luck again... some may get the penalty with that kind of fall and some might get a yellow card but he did got the penalty.. that's final...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by mhflierman

And NO, NO, NO don't even start defending your side, or favourite player because you know I'm right. And please, please cut the bullsh*t about ManUtd sending down Ipswich because of a given penalty. Ipswich should have played better and collected more points.

hear hear!

Ipswich had sooooo many more chances than United in that game... they could have won it if they were on target... coz we all know how good Barthez is! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jono82


hear hear!

Ipswich had sooooo many more chances than United in that game... they could have won it if they were on target... coz we all know how good Barthez is! :rolleyes:

Look dude, that may be, but hey sh*t happens. Did they score? No they didn't. They should have scored more goals, played better and collected more points throughout the season then they would have been safe by now. They didn't do that so down they go, simple as that.

"According to Neutral LFC I'm only talking b*llsh*t so why even bother reading this, let alone the post!"

OK!:D

Originally posted by manufan


AAAAHHH!!!!! SHUD UP!!!!!!!! Don't give me that bull.:rolleyes: you'll never want to see him in a royal blue jersey again my arse!!!!:p
are you afraid of the truth or something:rolleyes: its not bull****...............................DUMBASS:mam bo:

Originally posted by mhflierman


yeah what a cr*p sh*t this is.
what?:mambo: shut the **** up, if i say something, i usually mean it:rolleyes:

Originally posted by bertkamp16


Never admitted that Rangers dive??? You said "i cant even think of a single time a Rangers player took a dive, well a dive as blatant as Ruud`s. Not only did you admit it, you also admitted that they're better at it than Ruud is.:rolleyes:

"Misread" my comment...yeah, that's what I thought...

"Dumbass"??? Don't even get me started on you...Arguing with you is so simple considering that you're always putting your foot in your mouth (See my two previous statements) I think we all know who the dumbass is:rolleyes: ...
ahhh........i see now:mambo: what i meant to say was "i cant even think of a single time a gers player dived, i`ve seen worse dives in football, well not as blatant as Ruud`s" ok ok, so i missed out a bit, my fault.

as for the "dumbass" thing.....................................YOU STARTED IT!!!!!!!!:mad: :D (j/k)

Originally posted by rvd313

are you afraid of the truth or something:rolleyes: its not bull****...............................DUMBASS:mam bo:

The only ting I'm afraid off is you talking more sh it......:rolleyes:

Anyways, I'm gonna end this idiotic argument...

Originally posted by manufan
Anyways, I'm gonna end this idiotic argument...

how?

Originally posted by rvd313

ahhh........i see now:mambo: what i meant to say was "i cant even think of a single time a gers player dived, i`ve seen worse dives in football, well not as blatant as Ruud`s" ok ok, so i missed out a bit, my fault.

as for the "dumbass" thing.....................................YOU STARTED IT!!!!!!!!:mad: :D (j/k)

I'm glad you see what I'm saying. :D I'm in NO WAY a Man Utd. fan, but Ruud is a classy player and I have no prob giving him the benefit of the doubt.:)

GIVE "EM HELL, BERTKAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazyboy: :mad:

Originally posted by Becksdrg
GIVE "EM HELL, BERTKAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:crazyboy: :mad:

LOL:D

You know how we do, Player:) Droppin' 'bows on 'em:D