I would like to get the opinions of people who play PES, WE5FE or WE6 to talk about the long pass option you use ( 1 thru 5 ). I use to play 5 on WE5FE, now on WE6, I've been alternating between 1 and 5. 1 puts the ball on the players feet or into space...I hardly misjudge a long ball with one. 5 my margin of error grows ofcourse but i can pick and choose (sorta) where i want the ball to go.


What do you guys use?

Originally posted by the_man
I would like to get the opinions of people who play PES, WE5FE or WE6 to talk about the long pass option you use ( 1 thru 5 ). I use to play 5 on WE5FE, now on WE6, I've been alternating between 1 and 5. 1 puts the ball on the players feet or into space...I hardly misjudge a long ball with one. 5 my margin of error grows ofcourse but i can pick and choose (sorta) where i want the ball to go.


What do you guys use?

I still struggle about the right choice.
I have it on 2 at the moment; if I need a long pass, I use the L1+analog stick, but only with players with good long pass attributes.
Crossing the balls into the box is the only situation where I use the O-button.
I think you have a very good point using 5 for long balls, but my crosses end nowhere as you also have to steer the player into the crossing direction. Steering like that also means the defender is often in time to prevent my cross....
So 5 is good for ordinairy long balls, but bad for crosses IMHO (at least with my playing abililties :) )

I use the long pass on 5.

I learned to use L1+Right Stick so if i need to play a high ball i always use that, never the O button. U can really make some fabulous passes with L1+RAS; if u ask me u can put the ball wherever u want with a good player, but i requires practice.

For crosses it's another story:

- If a see in the radar that my player is unmarked in the area, i usullay use L1+O, unless i want a high and not very strong cross or i want to cross back(IMO L1+O isn't as effective as L1+RAS when it comes to pass back);

- If i want a very long cross a also use L1+RAS, but that depends(who's crossing, and wether the player a want to pass is totally unmarked or not,etc..);

-The only situation where a use L1+O is when i want do a ground cross.

I guess i've reached to a point where L1+RAS is much better than any other option to play long passes or crosses, cause i know exactly what i want to do and how to do it. Plus, if something goes wrong it is more easy for me to correct it the next time i try.

About long ground passes(and this is kind of a P.S.), i don't know about u guys but i now use the RAS(with manual pass on) 95% of the times and i find it is much better.
I've nottest that ppl complain about the through pass with /\, and i must say that isn't very effective so now i only use it when it's an "obvious" pass if u know what i mean.
I also find that if the manual pass is off i don't get as much sucess. And like the high pass(L1+RAS), it is hard to master but when u manage to do so it is incredibly rewarding and takes ur game to a much higher level. In fact i like it so much that i use X alot less now.
So what do u guys think about the gound pass with the RAS?

Okay...but both of you that use the RAS do you use the LAS for direction? I find that the LAS interferes with the RAS when playing long balls.

Originally posted by the_man
Okay...but both of you that use the RAS do you use the LAS for direction? I find that the LAS interferes with the RAS when playing long balls.

Yes, I use LAS for direction.
About interfering with RAS playing long balls: Somehow it goes better if you disable the passing gauge in the options menu.
Strange but true...

Originally posted by the_man
Okay...but both of you that use the RAS do you use the LAS for direction? I find that the LAS interferes with the RAS when playing long balls.
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Yes, I use LAS for direction.
About interfering with RAS playing long balls: Somehow it goes better if you disable the passing gauge in the options menu.
Strange but true...



RAS LAS ?????????

Somehow it goes better if you disable the passing gauge in the options menu
were?
can´t find anything

RAS LAS ?????????

Somehow it goes better if you disable the passing gauge in the options menu
were?
can´t find anything

LOL! RAS=Right Analog Stick; LAS=(you already guessed it ) Left Analog Stick

You know where to find the options menu, I think ( :) ) then go to button configuration.
Then under the buttons O, X, /\, [], L1, R1, you read Manual Pass Gauge: Put that on "NO" to disable it....

Hope you can find it now :)

Originally posted by the_man
Okay...but both of you that use the RAS do you use the LAS for direction? I find that the LAS interferes with the RAS when playing long balls.

Yes, it interferes. So i release the LAS just before is press L1+RAS.

Originally posted by ps2


Yes, it interferes. So i release the LAS just before is press L1+RAS.

This is the first thing that I've wanted to hear. I've tried to do this, it is mucho mucho difficult. Tell me it gets better with time. :(

Originally posted by the_man


This is the first thing that I've wanted to hear. I've tried to do this, it is mucho mucho difficult. Tell me it gets better with time. :(

The first thing? Why did I post all the time?? :D
I still think it does NOT interfere with disabling the manual pass gauge. Why is nobody telling his experience with this?
Probably missed this? :)

Originally posted by Han


The first thing? Why did I post all the time?? :D
I still think it does NOT interfere with disabling the manual pass gauge. Why is nobody telling his experience with this?
Probably missed this? :)

Maybe they play short short passes, Portugal style. No pass over 20 yards. Hehe :D

Han, when i play with the dpad and RAS, it is pefect; the long pass behaves how i want it to. When I use LAS and RAS, with man. pass on or off, it interfers. It seems like LAS contributes to the powering up of the long pass, so whenever I move RAS and LAS is not steady, the power meter just fills up.

Originally posted by the_man


Maybe they play short short passes, Portugal style. No pass over 20 yards. Hehe :D

Han, when i play with the dpad and RAS, it is pefect; the long pass behaves how i want it to. When I use LAS and RAS, with man. pass on or off, it interfers. It seems like LAS contributes to the powering up of the long pass, so whenever I move RAS and LAS is not steady, the power meter just fills up.


Well i don't know what happens with manual pass off, but as i said when u r using manual pass, and u try L1+RAS and RAS it does exactly what u say:

-U CAN'T control the power meter because it will fill up no matter what u do(releasing L1, RAS, etc...).

When i first try to use L1+RAS i went to the trainnig pitch to see if there was any way to solve this problem and i found out that if u release the LAS the power meter will fill normally.

There is a reason why i don't use manual pass off:

- I feel that it nuch easier to controll the power of the pass when u see the power meter rising(and this goes especially for ground pass; only RAS), cause the power doesn't have to do with how far u push the RAS but how much time u hold it in the desired direction.

Finally and to ANSWER :p ur question if u practice after a little while it will be mucho mucho EASY:D to use L1+RAS after releasing the LAS. The only thing u have to get use to, is the exact time when u release the LAS, cause if u release it when the ball is near the player's foot he will stop, and the pass won't be as sharp.
But don't worry, it's easy after a while and i can say that after doing it for about a couple of hours, ur left thumb will lift without u even noticing it. So go to practice.:)

I never complained about things in PES being a bug, because in most cases it was a matter of knowing how things work (think of unsuccesful trying to pass to a player who was interfered by an opposing player).
But in this case I think it is a bug that the power-gauge is still filling dispite releasing the buttons.
Konami surely must correct this....

Originally posted by Han
I never complained about things in PES being a bug, because in most cases it was a matter of knowing how things work (think of unsuccesful trying to pass to a player who was interfered by an opposing player).
But in this case I think it is a bug that the power-gauge is still filling dispite releasing the buttons.
Konami surely must correct this....

Ur totally right Han, it is a bug and there is another one that made me use the L1+RAS:

If u use the pass setting in 5 crossing the ball while ur facing the final line may result in filling up the power meter and sending the ball to row z. And don't know why this happens and does not happen all the time, but if ur losing and it's ur last chance to score...Besides high passes with O r too much inefective cause the player usually sebds the ball in the direction he is.

the_man, i assume that the "L1+RAS bug" is still on we6?
I can't believe they didn't correct it! :(

Originally posted by ps2


...Besides high passes with O r too much inefective cause the player usually sebds the ball in the direction he is.

the_man, i assume that the "L1+RAS bug" is still on we6?
I can't believe they didn't correct it! :(

The high passes with O are fixed now. You can pass to a direction the player is not facing. The bad news is that you can only pass in 8 directions.

With LAS is general, the more you push it the more force a player will do things...like when turning with the ball, if i do a small turn, with LAS things go okay, i'm able to turn and do something...when i move the stick to the edges of the circle to do the same turn, then the ball goes 3 feet from the players leg and a defender can just swipe it away. This may explain why the passing meter fills up. It think you are applying force (still moving LAS) to whatever you are doing (passing long with RAS). It sux, i'm still trying to get use to the releasing of LAS and then passing with RAS. It's tough but I think it is getting better.

Originally posted by the_man


The high passes with O are fixed now. You can pass to a direction the player is not facing. The bad news is that you can only pass in 8 directions.


Let's hope they fix this bug in PES2 cause even there was more then 8 directions in the pass with O, i would still prefer the RAS cause i feel more in control. It would be perfect if u could use RAS with LAS to put some swerve on the ball to deliver even more acurate passes and crosses!

Originally posted by ps2

It would be perfect if u could use RAS with LAS to put some swerve on the ball to deliver even more acurate passes and crosses!

nice idea!

Had to dig this thread up as you guys can definitely answer my question. I find that the manual long pass (L1 + RAS) is not as good as u guys suggested. I tried it on type 1 and type 5. In both circumstances, i can only send the ball to the direction my player is facing. I have already set "manual pass" to "ON" in the option manual. And i find that the (L1 + RAS) is also limited to 8 direction not even close to 360 as claimed. I don't see the diff between this and the O button. Why? is it just me having such problem with the manual long pass?\

P.S. im using the d-pad, so im not talking about the LAS interfering with the RAS problem you guys mentioned.

No offence man, but u need to practice.;)

I guarantee u that with L1 + RAS u can pass in every direction and it doesn't matter the direction the player is facing.

About the pass having 8,16 or more direction i think it has 16 and as i said before it's enough to pass every where i want.(i'm talking about PES)

Maybe it's the fact that u r using the d-pad, i don't know i never used it...

Originally posted by HKACM
Had to dig this thread up as you guys can definitely answer my question. I find that the manual long pass (L1 + RAS) is not as good as u guys suggested. I tried it on type 1 and type 5. In both circumstances, i can only send the ball to the direction my player is facing. I have already set "manual pass" to "ON" in the option manual. And i find that the (L1 + RAS) is also limited to 8 direction not even close to 360 as claimed. I don't see the diff between this and the O button. Why? is it just me having such problem with the manual long pass?\

P.S. im using the d-pad, so im not talking about the LAS interfering with the RAS problem you guys mentioned.

Are you still having this problem?

The_man

This is exactly the thread i was referring to. Nothing has changed, same old problem with the Long pass for me. I have sort of adapted to the control setback by placing my left thumb on the dpad and turn the player to the direction i want to pass with the RAS. It sound stupid as i think the effect is just the same with using "O" button. I am hoping that by practising more often, one day a miricle will happen and the true 360* control will come back :)

Sound like you have a solution??? without further a due, please...

PS2

I believe you were talking about long pass control in PES not WE6 in the thread immediately above the_man's.

Originally posted by HKACM
The_man

This is exactly the thread i was referring to. Nothing has changed, same old problem with the Long pass for me. I have sort of adapted to the control setback by placing my left thumb on the dpad and turn the player to the direction i want to pass with the RAS. It sound stupid as i think the effect is just the same with using "O" button. I am hoping that by practising more often, one day a miricle will happen and the true 360* control will come back :)

Sound like you have a solution??? without further a due, please...


Uh, not really a solution. I still play RAS and LAS, releasing LAS before I hit the ball. Works well once you get the hang of it. Something that wasn't discussed is the settings for the controllers, maybe we should get that out in the clear so that we don't re-invent the wheel or something.

I've learned to live within the limitations of the game. This means that there are times that I can use the long pass and there are times that I don't bother. If I have time and space, I can usually put the ball where I want it. If I don't have as much time, I usually mess up. When you go to training can you put the ball close to where you want it? If so then it may not be a long pass issue.

On a side note, today I saw a game on TV Leeds vs Man U (from last season, the second leg). And I noticed some gameplay issues that Konami need to iron out. More fluidity for one. The other thing is spacing. Man, my defenders can't pass the ball around without thinking so hard. And when the CPU really wants to score, it is impossible to posses especially with the half arsed ML team. Pressure should be put on defenders only when a goal down. The midfield needs more space cos at least you need space to turn. More 1 v 1 ability, I noticed that even with good players, i'm not confident enough to hold the ball, that happens in real life, Viduka can hold the ball until he pleases. But again this is just a side note, can't wait to be back and full swing on this forum, we have a lot of issues to discuss.

I use setting 5, manual gauge on, LAS on, little lob on ofcourse.

The_man


Just a comment to your side note.
I have just got PES and love to play. Mostly I play with friends and then I win some and lose some and it's great fun. But when I'm playing against the cpu the gameplay seems to be totally different. I know I need to practice a lot, but I have really problems just to score and if I do the cpu score right after. I'm struggeling even when I play with 3 stars level.
Most of the game end at 0-0.
Any smart tips on how to win more games?
I guess the answer will be: practice, practice, practice.

Sarrus

Originally posted by sarrus
The_man


Just a comment to your side note.
I have just got PES and love to play. Mostly I play with friends and then I win some and lose some and it's great fun. But when I'm playing against the cpu the gameplay seems to be totally different. I know I need to practice a lot, but I have really problems just to score and if I do the cpu score right after. I'm struggeling even when I play with 3 stars level.
Most of the game end at 0-0.
Any smart tips on how to win more games?
I guess the answer will be: practice, practice, practice.

Sarrus

There really isn't any magic to winning games. Practice the things that you think you are weak on. Like in practices can you shoot from 23m and score with a good player? if not in the game you have no chance. Practice set pieces, I score goals on set pieces against the CPU. When I played a friend of mine and I got a corner, i just grinned, and the next thing was him blurting out swear words :).

Here is a suggestion, especially since you are on 3 stars. On this level the CPU gives you some space to do things. Pass the ball around. Sometimes pass so that you don't go forward. Whenever, I lose the ball to often to the CPU I just pass the ball around to gain confidence, it's a mental thing. This creates shooting opportunities for your midfielders and strikers. When you are playing, and you see a hole but the defences closes down, that hole will be there again, so try to exploit it. And last tip for now, play a practice match (or two) on level 4 with a tough team, do not concentrate on scoring, concentrate on moving the ball around, then go back to level 3, you will smile at how much better you have become.

Thanks a lot.

You really are what you call yourself. The Man.
I sat up this night and played. It's such a great game. I understand it's time to go into practice mode.
I can't wait for PES2 comming to Europe. I should try to get WE6 since I have a modchip.

Thanks again.

Sarrus:)

just some questions...

Do you play 10 or 15 minutes matches, what level do you play, and how long do you usually have the ball compared to the cpu, in % ofcourse :)

Personally am playing much more of a faster football rigth now than before cuse I HATE winning ball poss with around 65, 70 %.

I really enjoy the defending part of WE6, and PES.
Being under pressure the last 10 mintues when guarding a one goal lead is really enjoyable, and the counter attacks...:)


sarrus: The CPU scores rigth after just cuse you havent learned yet when to defend and when to attack ;)

Sometimes just as in real time its better taking it easy ,guarding your positions and let the cpu attack instead.

Originally posted by bulldrig
just some questions...

Do you play 10 or 15 minutes matches, what level do you play, and how long do you usually have the ball compared to the cpu, in % ofcourse :)

Personally am playing much more of a faster football rigth now than before cuse I HATE winning ball poss with around 65, 70 %.

I really enjoy the defending part of WE6, and PES.
Being under pressure the last 10 mintues when guarding a one goal lead is really enjoyable, and the counter attacks...:)


10 min matches, level 5 or Extreme in ML. Possession depends on the team I'm playing with, Portugal or Holland I can do 65% ave, 70% most matches. My ML team, hehe, 60% is a good day. But that is because I play with Roma and the style of play is not a possession game. I still like to keep the ball but not with the Roma style of play.

I enjoy defending, except when the CPU decides to take your defender for a walk...away from the ball, hehe.

The_man, you like defending, but you have at least 60% possesion :D
Doesn't look like defending to me... :)


Maybe I am too impatient, but when I try to play on possesion as you recommended some posts ago I try to play towards the LM or RM and get a cross in. If I try to play on possesion at the middle of the pitch, it is too much crowded and I loose possesion often. Getting a cross in is also difficult if the opponent plays with side-backs.
In other words, I often get nowhere, playing this way and tend to play speculative passes towards the strikers and loose even more possesion.
Okay, maybe I should watch the radar more, but that's difficult to do without loosing the ball at the moment I watch the radar.
Any suggestions?

Originally posted by Han
The_man, you like defending, but you have at least 60% possesion :D
Doesn't look like defending to me... :)


Maybe I am too impatient, but when I try to play on possesion as you recommended some posts ago I try to play towards the LM or RM and get a cross in. If I try to play on possesion at the middle of the pitch, it is too much crowded and I loose possesion often. Getting a cross in is also difficult if the opponent plays with side-backs.
In other words, I often get nowhere, playing this way and tend to play speculative passes towards the strikers and loose even more possesion.
Okay, maybe I should watch the radar more, but that's difficult to do without loosing the ball at the moment I watch the radar.
Any suggestions?

What I consider defending might be different to what others consider defending. Whenever the CPU has the ball, I'm on the defensive. When, the CPU is able to get a cross in or any of my CB are doing strenous defending, I consider that failure. So most of my defending happens in the midfield and my CB are just for clean up work.

You didn't say what formation you were playing with, but you said LM and RM and mentioned strikers (plural, so I'll guess 442 (could be 352 also). Anyway, for all the formations that I use, I make sure I have a triangle in the middle for some sort. For a 352 and 433, i have 2 DH's and 1 OH that is the triangle. For 442, there are two triangles, DH-LH-OH or DH-RH-OH. What these triagles allow me to do is to hold the ball when I don't want to go forward just yet. The DH's are very important, they are the engine room. They make the rest of the team tick (possession wise). But the thing is dont' force the middle, I mean why should you? if they dont' give you the middle, they are going to give you the wings for sure (unless they are playing 541, hehe.

The triangle is one aspect of moving the ball, the give and go (1-2) is another. However, this is a different use of the give and go. Sometimes, when I feel the place is too crowded, I do a give and go without giving the player that goes. What happens? the player runs taking a defender with him, and I pass to someone else. Just to give my team some breathing room. You can aslo do the double give and go, that is you do a 1-2 with one player and the player that is supposed to pass the ball, you start another 1-2 with him. You have to players running, making room for the midfield but also giving you options to lay a thru pass for either player (the first one may have fadded his run if you wait too long).

Misdirection is another tactic I use to move the ball, I love this one the best cos it fools CPU as well as human opponents. But you have to have a good passing team to do this. Holland and Portugal are recommended. I love doing it with Portugal, just because they have tight ball control and good one touch skills. Misdirection is all about making 1 extra pass away from where you want to pass the ball eventually. What it does is it makes the defence thing you have forgotten about a runner. Look at the following diagram. This time I use a give and go with the misdirection, it is just a simple example of what it is all about. Player 2 starts with the ball to the left. He has player 3 and player 1 to pass to. In the next frame he passes to player 1. Doing a 1-2 with player 1. Player 1 passes to player 3, he could have given it back to player 2, but that is too easy. Player 3 then delivers the ball to player 2.

...................3.............................. .............3.................................3o. ................................3................
.................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...
...2o............................................. .2==>>..........................................2=>....................................2o
.................................................. ..............o................................... .................................................. .
..............1................................... ............1..................................... ..1................................1.............


Just a simple example without defenders, didn't feel like drawing that much. Try these techniques, if I think of more I'll let you know.

It looks like we differ not too much in style, but we do differ in execution :-))
Let me go into your answer:




What I consider defending might be different to what others consider defending. Whenever the CPU has the ball, I'm on the defensive. When, the CPU is able to get a cross in or any of my CB are doing strenous defending, I consider that failure. So most of my defending happens in the midfield and my CB are just for clean up work.

Yes, this is also my way of defending, but my midfielders do not manage all the time to win the ball and my defenders come too much under pressure, especially at the end of the match, despite substituting the most tired players.


You didn't say what formation you were playing with, but you said LM and RM and mentioned strikers (plural, so I'll guess 442 (could be 352 also). Anyway, for all the formations that I use, I make sure I have a triangle in the middle for some sort. For a 352 and 433, i have 2 DH's and 1 OH that is the triangle. For 442, there are two triangles, DH-LH-OH or DH-RH-OH. What these triagles allow me to do is to hold the ball when I don't want to go forward just yet. The DH's are very important, they are the engine room. They make the rest of the team tick (possession wise). But the thing is dont' force the middle, I mean why should you? if they dont' give you the middle, they are going to give you the wings for sure (unless they are playing 541, hehe.

Here are my three most used formations (sorry for the poor picture-quality; I have only a cheap TV-card :-) )
http://hanterp.virtualave.net/4-3-3.jpg
http://hanterp.virtualave.net/3-5-2.jpg
http://hanterp.virtualave.net/triangles.jpg

That last formation is made just to make as many triangles as possible, so on this point I have the same way of playing as you do! :)

The triangle is one aspect of moving the ball, the give and go (1-2) is another. However, this is a different use of the give and go. Sometimes, when I feel the place is too crowded, I do a give and go without giving the player that goes. What happens? the player runs taking a defender with him, and I pass to someone else. Just to give my team some breathing room. You can aslo do the double give and go, that is you do a 1-2 with one player and the player that is supposed to pass the ball, you start another 1-2 with him. You have to players running, making room for the midfield but also giving you options to lay a thru pass for either player (the first one may have fadded his run if you wait too long).

Yes, I am very much familiar with this technique, as I myself was one of the first who posted a topic about it, a long time ago: here it is:
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30292

Misdirection is another tactic I use to move the ball, I love this one the best cos it fools CPU as well as human opponents. But you have to have a good passing team to do this. Holland and Portugal are recommended. I love doing it with Portugal, just because they have tight ball control and good one touch skills. Misdirection is all about making 1 extra pass away from where you want to pass the ball eventually. What it does is it makes the defence thing you have forgotten about a runner. Look at the following diagram. This time I use a give and go with the misdirection, it is just a simple example of what it is all about. Player 2 starts with the ball to the left. He has player 3 and player 1 to pass to. In the next frame he passes to player 1. Doing a 1-2 with player 1. Player 1 passes to player 3, he could have given it back to player 2, but that is too easy. Player 3 then delivers the ball to player 2.

I find this technique very difficult as in practice there are interfering players which make the one-two hard to perform all the way.
I wonder if you do this also with defenders :confused: as it is risky because of intercepting and running clear at your keeper...or not?
I think the main difference in our game lies in the moment you win the ball. Do you use zone-press all the time? I mainly manage to win the ball half-way my own half; I do not play zone-press.


if I think of more I'll let you know.
Yes please! I like to figure out what is faulty in my game...

Originally posted by Han
It looks like we differ not too much in style, but we do differ in execution :-))

I wonder if you do this also with defenders :confused: as it is risky because of intercepting and running clear at your keeper...or not?
I think the main difference in our game lies in the moment you win the ball. Do you use zone-press all the time? I mainly manage to win the ball half-way my own half; I do not play zone-press.

Yes please! I like to figure out what is faulty in my game...

It depends on the formation and team that I'm working with and the time in the match for whether I use zone press. When I'm playing with Holland (433), I definetely use Zone press. Stam and De Boer don't do too much defending, on the odd occasion of 1 v 1 I can trust Stam, De Boer it's a little more tricky. With my Roma ML team (352) I don't do a zone press. This is because Possession is not a priority for this formation/team. I have 3 CB's and 2 DH's. That is essentially 5 people defending. Usually I just clutter the opponent out, no need to press him, it will just commit my defenders for nothing. However, if it is the 80th min, and I'm down, or if I'm being pressed and I want to score, I turn on the zone press to get that ball.

A few questions for you Han. Do you use the Right analog stick for long passing? High and low passes? What camera angle do you use? (This is important IMO) Do u use the radar?

I use RAS for through passing, but only low passing. High with RAS doesn't work precise enough for me. High passing only for crosses or clearing the ball, but you can't really call that passing :D
I use wide camara, as thing goes too fast for me in more zoomed in camara's. I use radar, mostly for the throughpasses with the RAS.
How do you clutter your opponent? Cutting off the passing options?

BTW Did you found my personal message to you from last night?
I ask because I didn't receive no notification that you did read it (this is an option from this forum :) )

Originally posted by Han
I use RAS for through passing, but only low passing. High with RAS doesn't work precise enough for me. High passing only for crosses or clearing the ball, but you can't really call that passing :D
I use wide camara, as thing goes too fast for me in more zoomed in camara's. I use radar, mostly for the throughpasses with the RAS.
How do you clutter your opponent? Cutting off the passing options?

BTW Did you found my personal message to you from last night?
I ask because I didn't receive no notification that you did read it (this is an option from this forum :) )

Yeah, I got your PM.

On wide camara, there isn't need for radar, you can practically see the whole field. :)

Hmm, I still don't understand the exact problems that people are having with the RAS in the air (apart from the fact that you can't hit the ball 360 degrees, still you can hit it close enough to where you want it with 16 directions).

Speaking of which (not to get too technical) but 16 directions is 360 degrees (seperated by 22.5 degrees). What we really mean by 360 degrees is that we want more directions right (or lesser degree seperation).

Anyway, I didn't use the RAS in PES, so I don't know the comparison. But after using the RAS for sometime I'm getting use to it is all I'm saying.

Okay, Han's questions. Well, it's about knowing your opponents tendancy's. Like you know what the CPU likes to do, cut it out before it does it. I play a 352 in ML so I essentially have 5 men back, but when my wingers recover, i have 7 men back, and I double team the attack. I normally like to use one player to force the attacker into the path of another defender for the steal...my gameplay vids will show (when they come out).

Originally posted by the_man


Hmm, I still don't understand the exact problems that people are having with the RAS in the air (apart from the fact that you can't hit the ball 360 degrees, still you can hit it close enough to where you want it with 16 directions).


Maybe things has changed in WE6, but with L1+ RAS in PES, the ball allways goes as if you p***es with full gauge. You play it on your own half and the ball ends up in the penalty-area on the other side, no matter how short or long you move the RAS.
After disabling the gauge meter in the controller options menu, it goes slightly better, but only if you almost tap the RAS.
Thanks for the answers. I only use the radar if I intend to give a low RAS through p***....
(this forum thinks dirty if I only describe how I pas+s the ball :D )

Originally posted by the_man



Hmm, I still don't understand the exact problems that people are having with the RAS in the air (apart from the fact that you can't hit the ball 360 degrees, still you can hit it close enough to where you want it with 16 directions).





The problem is that, now, to pass the ball to a direction ur player is not facing, the ball has to be near the player foot when u release the RAS. If u are not running(using R2 or R1) this is not a problem, but if u are down the wing runnig fast(R1) to get away from a defender and u spot on the radar that u have a free player on the other side of the field, don't use RAS+L1 or the ball will go to row Z . :(

Anyway, i do use RAS+L1 now, in we6, as i did in PES, but it's tricky, and takes a lot of practice. I think Konami should sort this problem cause this way of passing has great potential(i like it better than O). Let's see what they do in PES2.

Originally posted by ps2




The problem is that, now, to pass the ball to a direction ur player is not facing, the ball has to be near the player foot when u release the RAS. If u are not running(using R2 or R1) this is not a problem, but if u are down the wing runnig fast(R1) to get away from a defender and u spot on the radar that u have a free player on the other side of the field, don't use RAS+L1 or the ball will go to row Z . :(

Anyway, i do use RAS+L1 now, in we6, as i did in PES, but it's tricky, and takes a lot of practice. I think Konami should sort this problem cause this way of passing has great potential(i like it better than O). Let's see what they do in PES2.

You are right, I tried it last night. Whenever i want to do the RAS high pass, i let go of all the buttons, wait till the player get close to the ball and then press (L1+RAS), it works! Having said that, time and space are must to pull that off. Thanks for pointing it out.

Giving more thought to it, although it is a difficult move, it depicts quite realistically how real life football is. You don't see a pro footballer making 40-50yrd passes when the ball is too far from his feet right before he kicks it.

As far as crosses are concerned, i tried to cope with by pressing d-pad to turn the player inside at the same time i press L1 + RAS. Though it only has 8 directions, a cross is still managable with the player flying at full speed down the flank.

Originally posted by HKACM


You are right, I tried it last night. Whenever i want to do the RAS high pass, i let go of all the buttons, wait till the player get close to the ball and then press (L1+RAS), it works! Having said that, time and space are must to pull that off. Thanks for pointing it out.

Giving more thought to it, although it is a difficult move, it depicts quite realistically how real life football is. You don't see a pro footballer making 40-50yrd passes when the ball is too far from his feet right before he kicks it.

As far as crosses are concerned, i tried to cope with by pressing d-pad to turn the player inside at the same time i press L1 + RAS. Though it only has 8 directions, a cross is still managable with the player flying at full speed down the flank.

U are right about something, u don't see a player making a pass when the ball is far away from his foot, cause it's not possible...
But that's not the point: when u are running with R1 and decide to cross the ball(say with L1+O) the player will do it wether or not the ball is close to him, and it will go to where u want. Same happens with passing, crossing and driblling: u push a button and it obeys.Might take more time if the ball is far from his foot but he'll do it right.
As far as L1+RAS is concern, that doesn't happens in we6. It was better in PES even if u had to release RAS. Now, the only reason wy this is worse, IMO, is that they had to rewrite something in the program to make something else better(maybe passing with O), cause i don't think that Konami would make something worse on purpose. And i think that they are working to make it work both at high speed and with LAS, do give the curl u want just like u do with crossing or shooting. That would be the perfect way to pass IMO.
About croosing, L1+O has 16 directions and u can had curl so it's fine, for me at least.