The so called "dutch" team won but they like france deserve no respect. Props to Yugoslavia, you have nothing to be ashamed of, at least you fielded a true team of Yugoslavians. The same can't be said of Holland or should I say suriname. Kluivert who scored 4 goals is Surinamese not even Dutch. The surinamese who play for Holland should be ashamed of themselves. They screw their own people purely for fame and fortune. It makes me sick.

You are the sickest ****head I've ever seen on the forum. I mean we all talk **** from time to time, but you do it with a purpose. **** YOU AND YOUR WEAK WORLD.

I bet all your posts come during the hours you're allowed to leave the sanatorium.

Actually between my classes at the Ivy League College I attend.

I guess that's what the doctors there tell you that it is.

When do you post, between the breaks you get from your job at Mcdonalds?

Assius.

If you paid close attention to Holland you would notice that only two of your so called foreigners played in this game. Maybe they are listening to you or maybe they just pick the best 11 players.

I don't know if you know much history but the dutch colonized many countries including some in Africa and the West Indies.

South Afica was a predominantly dutch colony.
When the dutch took these countries, these people became citizens of Holland, under dutch protection, much like Haiwanans are and puerto ricans to a lesser extent.

So you see history dictates that the people representing holland today have every right to be called dutch. Exactly what team should the USA send. 11 red indians or immigrants from Africa, Europe and South America.

Think about it.

If you do go to an Ivy league school share your comments with your lecturers see what their opinion is. Surely you respect theirs.

Don't be upset if they recommend your expulsion for being such an idiot and wasting their time teaching you, because obviously your not learning anything!

Stop wasting your parents money and join the police force or start some neo nazi group and live in Montana.

Yeah, you want fries with that?

Amrica is much worse at poaching players than either holland or france.

Olsen is danish

Balboa and Renya are from south america

Preiki, Kirovski and Hedjuck are polish or Yugoslavian or something...

so before u strat cussing other teams, look at ur own team.

most big teams have players who are not 'from' their original country.

but USA really piss me off. They try to poach players yet they are still fu*king crap at football (they even call it soccer)

before poeple start going on about USA beating germany or winning Nike Cups, just remember what thry did in world cup 98

chris

Sglean

Maybe you should go back to school, Suriname is in South America and guess what they have their own team. They are no longer a colony of Holland, in fact they have not been a colony of holland since 1959. Man your not very up to date on history are ya?

As far as what team the U.S. should send? America is a very young nation and it is made up pure immigrants. This is not the case for France and Holland. You go to holland you will probably see no blacks at all. Yet their team is allowed to consist of many blacks, that makes no sense. America on the other hand has many blacks.

Once again you calling me a racist makes no since. Never did I once say that whites were superior to anybody. Accusing me of being a Neo-Nazi makes no since as well. I said many times on this board that I dont think whites should be playing for South Africa. According to your logic I guess I am racist against both whites and blacks, lol.

You have no argument.

That's what you are.
If you say no whites for RSA and no blacks vor FRA or NED this makes you a racist. Plain and simple.

Zambrotta

Not really, once again the definition of racism is

1. The notion that one's own ethnic stock is superior.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on racism.

I have never said one race is superior.

Nor have I discriminated based on a belief that one race is superior. I may be discriminating but not based on the belief that one is superior to another, rather because I want to preserve International Football.

I cant believe how naive some of you are to the fact that there will eventually be no such thing as International football if every teams behaves like france and holland. If every team consists of blacks and south americans, etc..then the difference between a club team like chelsea and England's team will exist only in title.

That's one way to put it.

The other is that for some ****ed up reason you think that Campbell should not play for England while Scholes should. Thuram should not play for France while Petit should. Kluivert should not play for Holland while de Boer should.
And you base that on their origins, their skin-colour, their "race".
In the year 2000 I honestly hoped that people would stop thinking that there are races except the human-race.
You're (one of the) disappointments.

aussis,

one of my friends is a 'white' south african, his family has lived in south africa for over 400 years. As u r such an expert on who should play for what country, and because u go to an 'IVY' college (so u MUST be clever!!) please tell me what team he should play for or support.

by the way his both of his grandads were 'black' south africans.

one of my other friends is from Trinadad, but he thinks he is a decendant form slaves from africa, he doesn't know which country but as u go to IVY league, maybe u know (or your professers) anyway who shold he play for...

please advise them, as they await ur answers with deep antisipation.

chris.


ps does anyone know which files fed2000 edits as i need to back them up.

also how did POTD get the English Division 1 teams into the MLS league (there are 24 eng. div. 1 teams and only 12 MLS teams).

chris

You say your friend is white but if his grandads were black then how can your friend be white???

Listen up Assius if the dutch had a colony in 1959 or 1909 and gave those citizens passports guess what independence or not those people can still play for Holland, idiot.

I was in Amsterdam a couple of years ago lots of 'blacks', france lots of blacks, England lots of blacks, you idiot.

I never said you said anyone was superior to anyone I think your giving your own secrets away there. I asked you to consider neo nazis as they beleive that there country for their poeple even though they know they themselves are immigrants.

You have made assumptions based on color not citizrenship, if you are a citizen of a particular country you are allowed to represent them in sports if you have dual nationality you have the chance to represent more than one country and I would pick Holland over Surinam.

Your arguement is pathetic and really just to stir people like me up. well done you have succeeded.

My joy is that France England and holland don't have idiots like you picking their teams, you are coward that hides behind nationalism to prevent people from seeing you as a pure racist.

The joy of seeing multi racial teams more than compensates for your out right stupidity.

The world is losing its borders, technology is allowing us access to worlds we never thought we would ever see, I can now do business anywhere in the world,no one cares where i am from, do you? That is the new world, you need to become part of it.


For a young man you have already become a Dinosaur and you know what happened to them.

Assius, you stupid wanker, who the feck do you think you are? Let me remind you that a racist is somebody who discriminates against somebody because of their skin colour. Do you do that? Hell yeah! You say Blacks shouldn't play for ENG, FRA and HOL. Even if they had French parents they shouldn't play for France because they ARE BLACK - that is your view. You would exclude people from a team because of their skin colour, making you racist! Answer that argument!
As for attending your Ivy League college... maybe you should take some simple History classes. It would show that people have always emigrated, and that America had millions of natives living in it before White settlers came. Your argument makes no "since" college boy (and learn what makes sense and what doesn't while you're at it! Don't use the word "since" when you mean "sense" for example)! Oh, and lots of Racists go to college...

Assius,
The fact that you go to an Ivy League college doesn't make your views any less rediculous. Remember, Hitler was an educated man too.

Don't bother people, he's just another dumb ass ignorant american.

another dumb ignorant american? this implies all Americans are dumb & ignorant. Isn't that statement ignorant as racism and bigotry itself? And chrishaz-you really need to hone your yank bashing. you stupid f***. Olsen is Danish-nope, he's born in America. Reyna, from South America? nope, his dad is from Argentina, but he was born in the good ole' USA. Preki is Yugoslavian, but Hejduk from Eastern Europe? Wrong again, another completely arrogant statement. My last name is Scandinavian-but I'm not Swedish, I'm AMERICAN. but now I guess I really am from Sweden, because since my last name is Swedish, I'm from there, even though I was born here. You have to come up with something better than that. Your foolishness is funny. From another ignorant American, heres to you, you dumb F***!!
I could actually care less about surinamese playing on the Dutch national team. Not that I care, but what country/nationality are you, assiuss?

Anyone who is a citizen of the country they live in should be allowed to play for that country if they want. Why does it matter where they were originally from or their ancestry. If someone who plays in Holland is 1/16th Nigerian, why the **** does it matter??? Stupid ****s. By the way whoever wanted to mention France 98 for the US-why don't we mention USA 94-were France even there...hmm? Teams can get better so basing your opinion of the US team on France 98 is stupid-it was Steve Sampson's fault.

I'm not saying all americains are ignorant, i'm just saying he is just another dumb ass ignorant american, like many are.

assius, have you ever been in those countries that you speak of? have you ever been out of the us? i join in the another dumb american thing because that's what most americans think, they don't realise that there are blacks in other countries too. assius, you say that the us has a lot of blacks, well so do france, holland, and england. and belgium. that is contrary to what you said. so shut up you wanker and know some information before you run your mouth of as if you were the rock.

Didn't Suriname gain its independence in 1975? how old is Kluivert? even if he wasn't born under Dutch rule, the people there speak the languange and have dutch customs, so that makes a person a DUTCH!.
But anyways, this will be my last reply to this person, I guess there's a failure in the IVY Colleges when it comes to the definition of the word "nationality". shame on them! they're making a big mistake, we, at the fifa2000 forum got an example of it.

What the **** is an IVY college in the 1st place?

WOULD ALL STUPID YANKEES LIKE A$$HOLESIUS PLEASE SHUT UP!!!!

YANKESS DON"T UNDERSTAND FOOTBALL/SOCCER, THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A FOOTBALL/SOCCER TEAM!!!!

IRAN 2-0 YANKEES!!!!
GERMANY 2-0 YANKEES!!!
YUGOSLAVIA 1-0 YANKEES!!!

GO HOME YANKEES!!!!

Daniel: your comment showed that you're nearly equally stupid.

I believe that just because you happen to be born in a specific place, that doesn't make you English or Dutch or whatever. For instance I have many Persian friends. They were born here but do they consider themselves to be American, no. They consider themselves to be pure Iranian because that is where their roots come from. While someone of african decent may be born in a country like France or Holland, I will never consider them too actually be French or Dutch because they are African! I mean come on if a black person came up to you and said they were scandinavian, you would be like what the hell? Any black who chooses to play for a non african country unless they are perhaps from U.S. or Trinidad and Tobago, etc..is a sell out. They must have no pride at all in being black or in their african heritage.

P.S. I have tremendous respect for George Weah who played for his true country and people,liberia. People like Desailly and Thurame who play purely for money, fame and trophy's are a disgrace to africans.

You are an idiot!

So if a white guy whose ancestors were from france who was born in England and decided to play for Englansd you would say he can't because he is really french. Right!

Wrong that would disqualify nearly the entire current England squad most Britains are mixed with Roman/Italian or french, there are very few saxons(original british)

So by your estimation every team in Europe.

France - Germans and Italians
Italy - Germans arabs africans
Germany - Scandanavians

Could not field a side. As you like to quote history so much look at the history of these countries half the Czech team could be technically German. Who would Austria field in your world and what about poor Denmark and Sweden. You are such an idiot. If you start going back everyone is from somewhere else so give it a rest you idiot.

Hey assius, question, what does an Italian-American care so much about who the Dutch field?

Your not dutch?? Your not from Suriname. Hey your country Italy fields all pure Italians. And I won't be suprised if the 2 Black players Davids and Klivert combine to break your heart.

Personally I say we take back France's Euro 1984 trophy. After all Micheal Platini is a damn tratiorious Italian. Who only wants money and fame, right???

Hey Daniel:....

Are you related to assius????? From your last post, I bet you're brothers. Or maybe roomates at Ivy league U.

BT THE WAY GUYS, WHY, OH WHY, ARE WE RESPONDING TO THIS IDIOT AGAIN???????????

Daniel-like the previous person said:you're as ignorant as assius himself. "yankees don't have a team"-yeah, ask the US vs. Germany friendly(yeah it's a friendly, oh well though)...3-0, and then, the US vs. Germany, Confederations Cup...2-0. Granted the US is an improving team, we still have to prove ourselves on the international stage(WC).Oh, thats right, we beat Brazil in 1998 1-0, in the Confeds. Cup-that wasn't a friendly. But thats right, because we Yanks don't have a team. I invite you to think before you make a ignorant statements whining about Yanks and why they suck. Thank You.

I think assisus is an educated bigot, but thats ok, because people can think what they think. On the other hand, he's probably laughing at his monitor, watching us rip on each other and post half-baked posts like this one. Cheers!

He aint educated. How do i know anyone at an ivy league school barely brags about it. He at best goes to a 2 year technical community college. Probably upset because he has trouble understanding numbers.

USfutbol:

Yes, you have a team. And back in 1998 you guys were still a club team. By the way, that wasn't in the Confederations Cup. That was in Gold Cup 1998. And Preki scored that goal. He's not an American. He was also bought out. I think he's Romanian or something of the sort.

In 1999 Mexico won that cup, beating Brazil 4-3:

This was the 2nd defeat in 1999 for the Brazilian national team. Mexico broke a series of 14 positive results in a row (13 wins and 1 draw). The previous defeat occurred in the 1st match of the season, a friendly played against South Korea (1-0) in Seoul on 28 March.

(http://www.fifa2.com/scripts/runisa.dll?s7.131630:gp:478308:67173+cc/1999/index+E)

I just hope that the U.S. tries something as stupid as recruiting players again (where the hell is David Regis ? Did he throw away all that he could have the next year on the French team just to play a few matches on the U.S. team ?) and also trying a 3-6-1 (WTF ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?).

KappA

Why are we mentioning France 98??? That was two years ago. The US team has changed! They are much better! France wasn't even at USA '94 and they won the whole ****ing thing in 98. They can get better, why not the US-ignorant ****ing euros when it comes to knowing US soccer. You guys rarely play any friendlies against the US, why don't they play any, if they are so ****ing good they should kill the US right?

Assius:

What do you think people from Suriname would say about a guy raised in Holland all of his life coming back to Suriname saying "Here I am my brothers! I like playing forward. Sorry Joe, I know you have lived here all of your life and used to be the first-choice striker, but after all, I am better than you, and Suriname is in my blood." What do you think the reaction would be? I am a black American-- my ancestors came here (involuntarily) from West Africa in the late 1700's. I can't wait to call the Ghana football federation and tell them that there prayers for a goalkeeper who handles crosses well are answered. If that doesn't work, I'll keep calling West African countries until I find some team I can play for (all of the records of my family's origin are gone).

I agree with you that it is somewhat distasteful to have players trying to find national teams to play for. But, I think you take your argument too far. Loads of black players in the U.K., France, and Holland are the second, third, or fourth generation of there family to have lived there. What you advocate is just as bad as what you are arguing against-- a player born in Suriname and raised in Amsterdam who plays for Holland is no worse (and, in fact is better) than that same player returning to Suriname to claim a spot on a team he has no connection with.

OK according to Assius' logic then all Australians except for aborigines are pure Australians.....

just about the whole Australian team according to you is Italian, Croatian, Greek or from elsewhere....
but they consider themselves Australian because they were born and brought up here.

BUT once again according to your logic they are a disgrace to their background....maybe they gave up all the fortune and fame to play for Australia instead of Italy! (sarcasm)

the point im trying to prove is that if they are born and brought up in Australian and considers themselves Australians then why should they listen to people like you and try and play for the country their parents or grandparents are from!?!?!?

You call Kluivert a sell out and whatever else but like many Australians they have moved to their new country and have become an Australian. It doesnt mean they forget their background but they love the country that they were brought up in.
Is that hard to understand that players like Kluivert and Davids have Dutch national pride in them or are you too ignorant to look at what really happens and not just facts?????
Just like Viduka plays for Australia and not Croatia, because he wants to play for Australia.

Now answer that for me because everytime someone comes up with a good point you dont answer that person........
like Blue Moons point about how Surinam would feel if Kluivert came back and played for them.....

Wow oh hey, hold the phone, stop the fire, let's see If I understand correctly.

Acording to Assius, even thoug I was born in Uruguay I wouldn't be able to play for the National Squad because my Grandpa was Spanish?

If that's correct, it has to rank up high at the top of the stupidest things I've heard in my life.

Hey Ruben, then according to that theory, ALL players in your uruguayan national team and ALL the players in the other south american countries are stupid because even though their ancestors have been living there for centuries are of SPANISH ROOTS. Therefore, according to ASSiuss theory, the only people who should play for the national teams in south america are of the native american decendency (not to say "indians").
Ahh, and since not all the south american nations are from spanish roots, then we must say that Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Cafu, Amoroso, Tostao, Falcao, Pelé, Sensini, Caniggia, Maradona, etc... are and were vile traitor to their 500-year ancestors that lived in Portugal and Italy. Am I right ASSiuss??? that is completely ABSURD and very relevant to your query of black players in europe! Just keep quiet kid and save yourself further embarrasement and DO reply to THIS message, cause I've seen on previous post that when you have been proved wrong, you just keep quiet till other people post and evade messages, so please, nobody should post till I get a reply of mr. ASSius explaining the situation in south america, who should and shouldn't play there, and if the people I've just mentioned are traitor to their portuguese and italian ancestry.
Let us find out how stupid you really are.

Do shut up Chrishaz. Now who is showing the racism? Racism is not black or white.

Just the very title of this post offends me. I hate the fact that I have to look at it everytime I come to the Forum. Thanks Assius....

I wrote in an earlier post that if a country has a extremely unproportional ethnic population, then it would be almost impossible for them to play with only players from their own nationality. Therefore a country like Uruguay who has many many players of spanish decent has a right to play them. However look at how many blacks the french national team has and compare that to the percentage of blacks living in france. If france had 50% of their population consisting of blacks, then I would say it is ok, however this is not the case. The Czech Republic may have half the population consisting of Germans, and that is why it is logical to play them. How many blacks are living in Holland, not that many(percentage) yet the national team has many black players. It makes no sense. THE ONLY REASON YOU GUYS DISAGREE WITH ME IS BECAUSE YOU ARE SO DESPARATE FOR YOUR COUNTRY TO WIN THAT YOU WILL DO ANYTHING EVEN IF IT MEANS USING PLAYERS WHO SHOULDN'T BE PLAYING. IT IS SAD BECAUSE YOU ARE TOO NAIVE TO SEE THAT INTERNATIONAL FOOTBALL WILL DIE AS A RESULT OF THIS. WAKE UP.

will all fu*king yanks who think their country is good at any thing to do with football fu*k off.

u all piss me off,

everyone knows that if fifa was made by anyone but north americans (from either USA or canada) (i.e if it was made by european, afican, oceainian, asian or south american programmers) it would be a much better game.

just look at ISS which was made by japanese programmers and Sensible Soccer which was made by British programmers. Both are so much more playable than fifa, and if the programmers had had more money (NB-money is the only think americans have, they all lack any talent), then the graphics ect would have been much better.

The yanks cannot win any football match against decent opposition unless the get help from the ref.

for example: June 2000, Nike Cup, Ireland were 1-0 up against the US, but the US got a dubious decision which allowed them to score a goal that was blatently offside. They still couldn't beat us, but could only draw 1-1.

Your MLS is so sh*t, it has no relegation so any crap team could stay in it forever. It only attracts gerriatric players such as Matthaus and Stoichkov, and it has those stupid under-15 5-a-side style penalties (I hear that they might have just changed this).

Accept the facts, u. are useless at football, even though in typical american fashion u want to be the best in the world at it. (there are always adverts for UK based 'soccer coaches@ to work in the US, in magazines such as 442 and world soccer)

Don't any of u try and come up with that ****e about beating teams like germany ('coz we all germany is no good any more)

To tell you the truth, I think the Yugoslavians prefer losing 6-1 to Holland then to Suriname.
I might have read wrong but i belive you wrote saying that 4 of the gols scored by Holland where from Suruname Players, either way Holland would of won 2-1.

yo Ruben, what club do u play for now,

the last time i can remember Ruben Sosa, was when he played for Uruguay in 1990, did he play fro Cagliari, later??


c u

So what about in future generations that if the black proportion compared to whites stays the same and then say for example, Desailly's grandson is an exceptional player, he still shouldnt be able to play for France because there arent enough blacks compared to whites in France???????

you're logic makes absoultely no sense and IT IS discrimination against that ethnic minority in that country as even if they are born and brought up in that country they are still not allowed to play for that country...

back to my earlier example, what is Desailly's grandson meant to do then???
not play international football at all??

btw. how did you develop these such stupid views on the world?
do you even know anything about football to start of with??

I don't exacly know which seasons where with which club But in early 80's Sosa played for Danubio and was later sold to Zaragoza, during the 90's he played for AS Roma, I think Lazio and Inter befor being bought by Nacional (Uru) in 1998. He has become the favorite player for the crowd. In 1999 he was nearly transfered to the MLS but in the end they renew his contract. In short Ruben plays for el Club Nacional de Futbol. I also think he played for Uruguay in WC 94 Qualifiers and Copa America 1995

Assius:

Judging from you last post, I would have to assume that you are for quotas. That is, if a country is 12% black (like the U.S.), then its team should have 1 black in the starting 11. I guess this would also extend to the U.S. basketball and hockey teams. I guess then we have to send a basketball team to Sydney with 8 white guys, 1.5 black guys, 1.5 Hispanic guys, and one guy who is half Asian (1/8 chinese, 1/8 japanese, 1/8 filipino, 1/8 vietnamese), half native amercian.

You say that you are not concerned with race, only the preservation of international football. And yet all of your posts mention blacks. Should the Spanish national team have a guaranteed minimum of Catalonian and Basque players? Should Brazil have a quota on its native population? How about the decendants of the moors in Portugal? What about the relatives of the thousands Japanese soldiers and other men who raped Korean women in the 30's? Assius, this NOT the 18th Century. People move, immigrate, and intermarry. They also conquer, colonize, and oppress people of different races. What is your solution to the "disgrace" of Holland? Europe is changing-- if you are black and are born in France, go to French schools, live in France all of your life, and die in Paris, you are French, PERIOD. Color does not equal nationality as it once may have.

I think what disturbs many people about your posts is that your theories can be applied to other parts of life. Do you know how many times as a child I was told to "Go back to Africa." My response was, "if you can figure out what country my people came from, sure." We can't undo slavery and colonization-- what we can do is make the most of it-- if that means that there is one white guy on the U.S. Olympic basketball team and no blacks on the hockey team, so be it. Klivert and Bergkamp may have few things in common, maybe Klivert eats Surinamese food at home. But go to Amsterdam and you'll find plenty of white Dutch people wearing his shirt. If they say he's Dutch, who are you to disagree. What's next, a government policy that all black people in France with French passports can't go to school with the white kids because the blacks aren't French, they're African? We tried that-- its called segregation or apartheid. That is why people get offended by your posts. Having said that, I think this is an important discussion so if you want to continue it that is fine by me.

Ok. I'm going watch what I say here to say this in a neutral standpoint. I was born in America to Asian parents. I love my country, and have to admit that the US National Team is an improving squad. Though I think the MLS is a disgrace. They dont have the rules and regulations worldwide soccer leagues do. Though my favorite national team is still the US, my favorite club teams are in the England Primier League. It useed to be Leicester, and Manchester, now I like Arsenal, and Everton. Why Everton? One of my favorite players play there. And I respect those American players who go overseas to play in harder competition rather at home in the MLS. Yes the US were ranked 32nd out of 32 teams in France 98. But consider: that was two years ago, and since then, the US underwent many changes. I.E. managerial change, player changes. Former stars as in Lalas, Wynalda, Ramos, etc. are no longer with the team. The USA started Project 2010 which involves at least getting into the semifinals of the 2010 WC, better yet, the championship game. You have to admit that the USA are really pushing to become one of the premier teams in the world. And many youngsters here are taking up the game: in many school, including the ivy league ones (harvard, yale, stanford, princeton, etc.) there are more people playing soccer than american football. That's currently the case. And when FIFA organization decided the US would play host in 94 WC, the US became more interested in the game, and it meant that the US is becoming international soccer superiority, or at least aiming towards the goal. Though the US might not catch up with England, France, Italy, Brazil, etc., what it could do is make a big impact on the game. It defeated Brazil in the Gold Cup a couple years back. Thouhg Preki scored the lone goal, and he is Yugoslav, the USA is consisted of immigrants. It is the largest melting pot in the world. Every single US player in 98 came from immigrated parents like mine. Though I have no plans on playing professional soccer, I do enjoy playing the sport. If you say that the US government is arrogant, I wouldn't disagree, although I would say, please look on the brighter side of things. I've been to England, France, Spain, and is planning to go to Italy, and I love Europe. England and France are two of my favorite nations in the world. Though their economy might not be as strong as the US, they are great nations. Currently, I am looking at a map of the United Kingdom, trying to find a setting for a book I am composing. Even a novel from me must have a European setting to feel complete--to me at least. See I am not a racist, bigoted, sexist son of a b****. I have no tolerance for people who are. And listening to Assius, he does not sound like a racist, bigoted son of a b****. I don't understand why you people say he is. And if you insulted the US, you might contain a hint of racism in you. And for those who do not know what an Ivy League school is, it is the best colleges and universities in America, like Oxford of the UK.

Some people have something called dual-citizenship did they teach u what that means at your f*cking ivy school, mr. smart ass assius?

If someone like Kluivert was white you wouldn't him sh*t cuz your a bunch of ignorant racists!

Don't try and hide Juninhio, a couple months ago you posted a topic saying no players on the french team are french!

yeah bench player, Ivy league is like oxford.

man it remineds me a lot of Oxford's Brooks Univeristy

chris

it was an example. Both Harvard and Oxford are worldwide known schools, even if they're not on the same level. I've been to Oxford, it was nice there. I'm sure the educational level and demand at Oxford are a couple steps ahead of Harvard, and I appreciate that, since the English have long established their educational system, and us Americans have only been around for 200 plus years. You cannot compare these two nations. And if I insulted anyone, I truly apologize. It was never my intention to do such things. I was simply giving an example. Please don't insult me.

when assius says ~Actually between my classes at the Ivy League College I attend.~

frankly i beleive,they're upper crust inbreeding toffs anyway http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif