"Republic of Ireland captain Roy Keane has been sent home from the World Cup after a blistering attack on the side's preparations for the tournament. "

It may be a big blow to Ireland but good em for having the balls to do it.. its all about the team as opposed to one player IMO.. they put the team first.

This is yet another blemish on Keane who's reputation takes yet another dive :rolleyes:

Your thoughts????

Well it looks like McCarthy has lost the debate and resulted to sending home one of the best players in the world :|

Sorry but if i was Irish i would be devestated, I don't know how they could justify doing this. I think Keane was right originally at being pissed off at the coaches training methods but I geuss McCarthy has just shot himself in the foot

Keane has to try and keep his temper now and then like:mambo: but damn, ireland are ****ed!!:( :( :( :(

well ireland is gonna suck!

without keane.

good on ireland for sending that moaning **** home, he should have been happy to even get the chance to play in the world cup, but no, not Roy Keane, he has to have things his way or else:rolleyes:

According to most reports Mick sent Keane home because when he went to talk to Keane about the article they got into a "slanging match" - if that indeed was the case then poor old Mick has no choice but to send Keane home. You can't have a player undermining the manager's authority. How would it look if Mick kept a player in the squad that just told him to f-off and openly called the team's preperations a joke?

Looks like Keano just screwed himself and the Republic! Nice job mate! :(

He was originally complaining about the Irish goal keeping coach who was taking them for a training session, There were 3 goal keepers on the side line during this mini match and he was playing midfielders in goals who could potentially injure themselves when diving around

You've seen whats happened to Englands midfield you don't want to risk injuries

I think he had a right to complain

Ireland may as well go home now. Keane is the best player in the world for his position, Obviously McCarthy isn't up to the job

not only is keanes rep screwed he'll never play for ireland again ... i think its safe to safe ireland are gone in terms of the world cup

Originally posted by MisH*The*Manc


I think he had a right to complain

I'm putting my obvious dislike for Keane on the shelf for this one, and I still reckon Mick is right.

Yeah, Keano had a right to complain, but to do so in public is not the way to do it because you undermine the management and basically make them look bad - and then to have a slanging match with your manager is the worst way to follow it up because you undermine the coach's authority and unless you appologise then the manager has no choice but to let you go. If Keane slagged off McCarthy and McCarthy still kept him - how would the other players react knowing that Keane has more power and clout than the manager? That's a very dodgy situation.

No one player is bigger than a team, and Keane would NEVER do the same thing at United because he knows Fergie would send his @ss packing too!

I don't think Keane meant this to get into the public but when the press are following a team 24hrs a day it's bound to get out. So Keane then decided to try and explain why he was unhappy in the Irish Times to avoid rumors and this obviously ruffled a few FAI feathers, I don't hear of much of an attack on McCarthy.

In all fairness I think he had every right to complain and for the FAI (I don't think it was McCarthy's decision, I think the FAI got pissed off with Keane saying the players were treated like second rate citizens by them and forced McCarthy to send him home) to send him home because of it, is a joke. It wasn't long ago that the Irish players were forced to travel in economy class while the FAI officials were off in First Class travel, until Keane moaned about it.

For Keepers to be allowed not to train because they were tired before a World Cup is also a farce. As Keane said 'They'd drag their tired asses out of bed to play golf the next day', and low and behold they managed to do so. It is, after all, a team sport, that includes goalkeepers. I think Keane was standing up for the players in the team and the FAI didn't like it.

Edit: How come some words weren't blanked out. I'll leave them there for a bit so as you know what I'm talking about then I'll change them if you want.

How can you kick Keane out of Ireland it's like kicking Zidane out of France :rolleyes:

Oh, I can't believe it, but Ireland will pay the cost if they lost in WC finals......

he would have been sent off in a couple of matches anyway...due to his foul temper.....and in any case Ireland will not make it past the 2nd round......so thats effectively just 2-3 matches without him.....

so who cares.....he's an arrogant , ill tempered bastard anyhoo.....

this news is gutting !!!!

I was really looking forward to seeing Keano play for Ireland this summer ...... and Ireland .. maybe even more than england !!

Ireland will most definitly miss him. :( :(

keane is a stupid ****, he a given up the chance to play for his country, most people in the world would do anything to play for there country and he's given up that chance. he thinks he's bigger than ireland but i think ireland might still do ok without cause they will try harder!!:mad:

As a coach you can't accept that a player undermines your decisions and argues with you, it doesn't matter who he is, even if he's the capt. or ManU star. If you do let him stay after all that no other player will respect you, besides with or without Keane Ireland will do the same, either get elimenated in the group stage or make it to the 2nd round.

Originally posted by AberdeenFC
keane is a stupid ****, he a given up the chance to play for his country, most people in the world would do anything to play for there country and he's given up that chance. he thinks he's bigger than ireland but i think ireland might still do ok without cause they will try harder!!:mad:


I don't think Keano wants to give up the chance like this, but he tried to get better things for himself and his teammates, if players get injured in this nick of time with just 7 days away from the World Cup, it will be big blow.

Micky McCarthy wants to enjoy the World Cup as a manager, but the players want to perform with their best, not everyone still has the chance in another four years time. Injury means eveything is gone.

Ray Houghton, one of Ireland heroes in the World Cup, backed Keano's decision. He said that if Keano knews how well the England team has been treated in their training ground, why Ireland can't.

Nothing to lose to Micky McCarthy, but everything to lose for the team, the fans and Keano.

Without Keane, Rep. Ireland will have less chance to qualify to 2nd round. But, McCarthy is a smart coach that there will be another substitute good player for Keane.

Keano did the right thing in my opinion. Another reason for his original bust-up was because of the disturbance caused by some members of the team returning to the camp at 5 a.m. or something. He wouldn't stand for it. The same goes for the goalkeeping farce. As a model professional himself, Keane expects everyone to reach his own high standards - this is usually possible with Manchester United and other big clubs, but not always the case with the Irish team. Enjoy your World Cup at home Keano, that ******* Mc Carthy will repent soon enough.

this WC is looking to be not as good as 98, u kno? No Keane, no Holland, No Yugoslavia and so on?

Originally posted by man united forever
As a model professional himself, Keane expects everyone to reach his own high standards - this is usually possible with Manchester United and other big clubs, but not always the case with the Irish team. Enjoy your World Cup at home Keano, that ******* Mc Carthy will repent soon enough.

LOL You guys are funny. "Model Professional" - if a United player did this, came out and slagged the team in the paper, and then had a bust up with Sir Alex you'd slag him off to no end, and there is no doubt in my mind Sir Alex would have him thrown out of the club in no time at all - and rightly so!

Regardless of the circumstances, Keane should have kept the problems out of the public spotlight - this close to the world cup no good would have ever come out of criticising the FAI, and then having a fight with McCarthy. It should have all been behind closed doors, and if Keane felt so strongly about it he should have just left the team - rather than drag the FAI and the rest of the national team through the papers.

What was McCarthy supposed to do? Say "Yes sir" to Keane when Keano was slagging him off, and show the rest of the players that Keane had more power and clout than the manager and the FA? What would it do for team unity and hierarchy - if Keane is above the coaching staff then why should the rest of the players listen to the coaching staff either?

Keane loses, and so does Ireland.

And before anyone says; "Oh if this was a Liverpool player you wouldn't say the same thing etc" - well Robbie Fowler didn't even go to the press, but he had a bust up with Phil Thompson, refused to appologise, and when Leeds came in for him Houllier didn't stand in his way. Good riddance if you ask me. And if tommorow Michael Owen slags off Liverpool and has a fight with Houllier then he can get lost too. No one player is bigger than a TEAM.

Originally posted by g-14
this WC is looking to be not as good as 98, u kno? No Keane, no Holland, No Yugoslavia and so on?

get a grip people, holland maybe but keane(zidane,figo,ronaldo etc....?) and ireland?other than irish fans and you manu fans,who the fcuk would miss him or them for that matter, all of a sudden hes out and irelands world cup is apparently over - yeah like they had a chance in the first place.
i dont think he believed that mcarty would do that to him and i believe hes in shock right now, hes screwed himself, hes upset at training methods and the rest?, hes job is to play, the manager and coaches should be responsible for those things, what about his teamates eh? are they wild animals or something that they can cope with the situation?and before people acuse them of cowardice or something what, about elder players like Quinn? do you really think he has no idea of whats going on-why doesnt he go to the papers and complain.

i wonder if keanes name was oh lets say - Anelka- i'm sure everyone would be here saying all sorts of discpline bullcrap. hes gone too far, however bad the conditions were the team should complain as a group, he was trying to prove something-maybe a power thing- that blew up in his face, and now i am supporting ireland as well in the wcup and hope they have a decent enough tournament without him. ROY GO HOME AND SUCK A BRICK U ARE A DISGRACE - BOOOOOOOOOOOOO :crazyboy:

What are you lot talking about?????????

Mcarthy and Keane are both to blame, their attitude towards eachother has been unaceptable for years. They just don't get along with eachother. So why the hell did Mcarthy decide to call a meeting with the WHOLE squad of players, knowing that Keane was the main one with problems. The fact is that the Irish set up for the world cups had always been poor, the flights, injury prone training grounds, coaching methods and things like the Irish FA getting first class flights and the squad gets economy class and some of the accomodation is terrible. This is not the first time someone has let out views in the Irish squad.

The fact that Mcarthy called a meeting with the whole sqaud was a receipe for disaster. He knew everyone was gonna be on his side and knowone was gonna be on Keane side. So of course it is going to turn into a "slanging match", because the tension was already their when keane decided that he was going to leave the squad and changed his mind.

Mcarthy shoud have talked to Keane in private, one to one, man to man. He shouldn't have called a squad meeting. If he would have did it one to one then Keane would not have felt like everyone was against him. That way they could solve their differences and everything would have been sorted out.

Keane has the right to air his own oppinion, he is a winnner so he knows what it takes to become maybe he feels that the Irish FA/ Mcarthy are going in the wrong direction. Of course he was wrong to verbally abuse Macarthy, but Mcarthy also showed poor man management. He didn't know how to handle a tense and passionate man like Roy Keane.

Notice how only the Manchester United fans defend Keane.

Look, Keane is a madman who thought he owned the Irish team. If he thinks the training is so bad, then why doesn't he just manage? He is not even in the top 25 players in the world like some of you think, he just has a good supporting cast at Manchester. The manager had no choice but to ship him back because Keane was going to turn into a major disruptive influence on the entire team.

Originally posted by juventusita
Notice how only the Manchester United fans defend Keane.

Look, Keane is a madman who thought he owned the Irish team. If he thinks the training is so bad, then why doesn't he just manage? He is not even in the top 25 players in the world like some of you think, he just has a good supporting cast at Manchester. The manager had no choice but to ship him back because Keane was going to turn into a major disruptive influence on the entire team.

Well, I am not a manu fan, I am reflecting on the situation as a neutral. Most proffesional ex Irish players will say the same thing ie Ray Houghton, Paddie crowe.

I am not defending Keane for his actions in any way, but Mcarthy could have dealt with the situation in a better way. Its a conspiracy theory, he took out the mole by inviting the whole squad to defend him. He should have talked to him in private, thats really poor management.

I disagree about top 25 in the world, he definetly one of the best in his position as a defensive midfielder.

Originally posted by grashed


but Mcarthy could have dealt with the situation in a better way.



How?,by pretending like he didnt hear all the disruptive statements hes been making on a daily basis? im pretty sure that was what roy was expecting as well.

QUOTE]Originally posted by grashed

. He should have talked to him in private, thats really poor management.

.[/QUOTE]

he did try to talk in private but what does roy do (10points for the correct guess) ching!!- he hurls abuse at the manager. Could he try that with fergie? i think not, mcarty dealt with it the only way he could have, and dont try to tell me he didnt want roy in the squad either cos thats just arse talk.

Originally posted by grashed
What are you lot talking about?????????


Mcarthy shoud have talked to Keane in private, one to one, man to man. He shouldn't have called a squad meeting.

Man to man? You mean McCarthy to man.

Team harmony is more important than one individual.. its just unfortunate that the individual in question is one of your best players.

I feel sorry for the Irish fans in general.. i couldnt give a toss about Keane.. the guy is demented.. who knows what this will do to team morale.. it may lift it or may destroy it.. i guess time will tell :rolleyes:

Latest news that Irish prime minister are trying to bring Keano back to the team,,,Keano,,is a brilliant player,,but,,this time I think McCharthy did the right thing,,,Keano just too outspoken,,McCharthy's decision shows that a player is no larger than a team,,, Keano will not always gets what he want thing to be done his way,,,Keano is no larger than a team,,he should realise that...if he want all the things done his way,,go to management....and shout to his boy !!! This is National team,,not WWF ,,, u are not The Rock who ***-kicking Vince McMahon,,,his boss,,,:mad:

I would agree with all the disciplinarians who posted here but, does anyone think this is the first time Keane exploded on management.
McCarthy should have read the riot act a long time ago, but he knows he needs Keanes aggression, so he let it slide. Now he wants to play schoolmaster.
He should have talked to Keane privately and I am almost sure Keane would have issued a fake apology and that would have been the end of it.
At the end of the day managers who take this stand always have a similar thing happen to them.
THEY ARE FIRED.
Managers are paid and hired to win games. Saying he undermined the managers authority is a cliche that doesn't apply because the members are all used to Keane and it certainly didn't disrupt them before.

Originally posted by juventusita
He is not even in the top 25 players in the world like some of you think, he just has a good supporting cast at Manchester. The manager had no choice but to ship him back because Keane was going to turn into a major disruptive influence on the entire team.

I think what you said here explained what you thought about Keane before you even thought about the reasons. Not in the top 25 players in the World is arguable, most people experts and otherwise think he is. Supporting cast at Man Utd, you obviously don't watch much English football.

Keane should've kept it behind closed doors, but McCarthy and the FAI have hardly tried to do that either. Now with the team ganing up on Keane, along with the manager and the leechy officials it's hardly surprising he's going to lose his rag. McCarthy wanted him out anyway, he never got on with Keane and what better way to end his international career than by attempting to embarrass the man who pretty much made the role of a defensive midfielder an artform.

McCarthy and the FAI should have had a team ethic in place to start off with. Since when are the Goalies given special treatment? They hardly spend as much energy in a football match as the outfield players so for them to be tired means they just wanted a day off to have a few pints, after all Ireland are just along for a good time and a laugh rather than to play in the World Cup. It goes against Keane's winning mentality. There's no point being there if you don't think about winning it (however unlikely it is), maybe Holland should be there instead?

Lets get this from an Irish point of view shall we?

1.) Keane is wrong.
2.) McCarthy is right.

Keane was a disgrace to the nation. He didn't deserve to pull on the green of the Irish. He doesn't deserve to be captain. Calling the manager an English bollox is not on - and quite frankly I would prefer him to stay at home than see him play for us.

Sure our chances have been severly damaged - but at least we have a team that will try their hardest to win. All we want is to play good football at the World Cup. We are their for fun, not to win the thing - lets be rasonable - we ain't gonna win it.

Keane is demented. The chap isn't right. He can't go around shooting his mouth off. For Christ sake - he slagged the whole team, the manager, the staff and he squared up to Packie Bonner. McCarthy had no choice - Roy has gone insane.

He will never play for Ireland again, and rightfully so. Manchester United have stood by Keane, and for that they should be ashamed. Whoever said that Ireland shouldn't have sent Keane home are wrong. Keane has no place in this country!!!

I guess there have been tensions within the squad for some time. It's not the first time Keane complains about the preparations and facilities. I don't know why, but I feel that I have to be on Roy's side regarding this matter. He made his point, McCarthy lost and sent him away. It's good to show that noone is bigger then the team, but I don't find Keane the player to think that. He obviously has a temper, but he certainly is a team player.

I've read this article about what it is like for players, being at a world cup. No doubt that the sportive side of the event is a dream coming true for most of the players, but there's also another side. You're a month without your family and loved ones. All you do is football, football, football. You don't have to be a father, you're talking only to footballers, and then there's the waiting. I think most of the time you're awfully bored. That's also what Roy's said. He's just happy to go home to his family after a busy clubseason. Good for him, bad for Ireland.

Keane was wrong to react in that way, I know that. What I am trying to say is how can Mcarthy allow it to get this far as a manager, sending his best player over a slanging match days before the world cup???? surely that shows that his man mangement in handling with the situation was wrong. From what I heard he did not speak to him in private, he jsut called a squad meeting, and do you think any other players will risk disagreeing with the manager. He did not handle situation as good as he coulld, but Keane was wrong in the way he reacted with the verbal abuse.

Thay are a losers now anyway, nowone has come out good in this.

what a stupid way to end his world cup dream... :confused: he said he has no regret... but i doubt it... maybe not now.... but when he is older...

First, calling everybody into a room to discuss Keane's problem was a prelude to expel the captain. He didn't want to talk privately, he knew Keane would explode definitely in front of the whole team. He wanted to get the best excuse to get rid of Keane. He never try to be a peacemaker btw Keane and FAI. He think Ireland in World Cup is already a big achievement, nothing to fight now, just enjoy will do.

Keane is a scapegoat now.

But McCarthy has really nothing to lose.
If Ireland do well, he's the hero.
If Ireland has the early exit, Keane will be blamed like what Beckham suffered from four years ago.

The "smart" McCarthy has maybe everything to gain.

First, calling everybody into a room to discuss Keane's problem was a prelude to expel the captain. He didn't want to talk privately, he knew Keane would explode definitely in front of the whole team. He wanted to get the best excuse to get rid of Keane. He never try to be a peacemaker btw Keane and FAI. He think Ireland in World Cup is already a big achievement, nothing to fight now, just enjoy will do.

Keane is a scapegoat now.

But McCarthy has really nothing to lose.
If Ireland do well, he's the hero.
If Ireland has the early exit, Keane will be blamed like what Beckham suffered from four years ago.

The "smart" McCarthy has maybe everything to gain.

roy keane is a complete wanker he should have played in the world cup...and he will regret it,despite what he says

i support manu but i still dont think he was right to do what he did

I think there are many views, but mine is:

Keane is not an "animal" he is a passionate footballer, who hates to lose. He is used to winning, with Manchester United and wishes to bring his winning experiences to Ireland.

It is apparent that Mick Mcarthy n Keane have not seen eye 2 eye since mcarthy joined. Keane may see it that McCarthy is english, and does not care about Irish pride, I dunno.

In my opinion Roy Keane is right, to a certain degree. His issues are correct, its just sometimes the manner in which he wishes to express his opinion ain't that great. If the rumours we hear are true of no changing facilities, **** pitches and crap training routines, then he has a right 2 complain. Its only cos Keane is the only member of the Irish team who is used to success and wishes to provide them with the ideas 2 make their team better.

To be honest, I heard no complaints from Roy. The first I heard was him being sent home, so he couldn't of kicked up that much fuss!!

Keane will obviously regret not playin in a WC, who wouldn't. However, i should imagine he'd rather not play in a WC, than play in a WC and look a farce in that team that the FAI have created!!

Personally i think roy keane is just behaving like a spoilt child about the whole thing.
The papers say he said to McCarthy:
"You were **** as a player, and you're **** as a manager". Personal abuse like that cannot be shown to be tolerated, so McCarthy was, in my opinion, right to send him home.

Originally posted by johnnyboyuk
Keane will obviously regret not playin in a WC, who wouldn't. However, i should imagine he'd rather not play in a WC, than play in a WC and look a farce in that team that the FAI have created!!
Keane doesn't deserve to be there if he acts like that. No one is bigger than their country!

Keane , Zidane, Beckham, and Figo are bigger.
If I were the manager, they can call me a wanker any time they want as long as we win matches and cups.

Antithesis, i must disagree with you, the players that you noted are all World Class, but never ever will they be bigger than the game or infact the Countrys that they represent, the game will survive and progress with or without them\him. this has been proven time and again after players have spat the dummy or who have walked or have been kicked out of a team. But getting back to the Keane v McCarthy conflict, obviously Keane doesn't hold any respect or regard for the appointed boss due to Keanes assessment of McCarthys past playing career etc, but on saying that he should have taken into account that McCarthy was the man in charge and should have perhaps settled it all in private either at a squad meeting or a private talk between all partys concerned and then if the argument couldn't be resolved, then to decide wether to hang in with the squad or pack his bags and go home, which surely would have been a better result than being booted out in public.

Originally posted by Seán Denny

Keane doesn't deserve to be there if he acts like that. No one is bigger than their country!

well said ... Australia was having a sad about Kewell and VIduka not playing in any qualifiers until the uruguay game but in the end its the national team not a player or two ! .. Ireland were right to piss keane off home

From what I've read Keane and McCarthy had sorted it all out in private, then McCarthy decided to bring it all back up again in front of the entire squad. Keane was right he is a crap manager if that's his idea of man management.

A lot of people have also said that Keane complained about the length of the trop to Japan-Korea. 'You're not going to lessen it' people say. Well, you could if it didn't involve Dublin to Amsterdam, Amsterdam to Tokyo, Tokyo to wherever they are. An island with one patch of grass big enough to practice and it isn't even a pitch. It's amateur-ish preparation. I wouldn't be happy with it.

I think the players backed out when Keane stood up on their behalf. Backstabbers. Ironic the player from Ireland that most deserves to be there gets sent home for having more ambition than the manager.

You said it Monkee, those teammates of Keane are the disgrace. Even here in Trinidad, our star players speak out against conditions at home and when they travel. They are axed then brought back, because management know they are right. When one comes from a perfect organization as Man Utd and you get shabby treatment, it's difficult to stomach.