I admit Brasil lost fair and square to France. Ronaldo is no excuse. Neither is this one but how many players are actually french that started??

Zidane son of Algerians
Karembeau not born in france
Thuram not born in france
Djorkeff son of immigrants
there are several other cases.


Look at Frances best player ever Platini. He may as well be Italian if his parents did not cross the border.

Unlike Brasil where all players are blood Brasilians where their parents where born their at least.

are there any other cases??

There's a player in the Japanese National team who is Brazilian blooded, Wagner Lopes. The only reason he became a Japanese citizen was because he couldn't make the Brazilian National Team. You see all the Japanese players singing the anthem, and suddenly, there's a bald Brazilian with a moustache and beard, I don't get it!

Juninhio- this is a very bad racist arguement that you are making here.

Also one question how many Brasilians are blood Brasilians? (I mean native Brasilians that lived there 1000 years ago, not all the people that came there from Africa and Europe?)

The French team's nothing. Look at the Chelsea team. In the starting lineup a while ago there was not a single Englishman (I don't know why Dennis Wise wasn't playing).
The starting lineup had Brazilians, Norweigens, Frenchmen, Italian, Dutchmen and a few other foreigners, but no Englishmen.
To me that's absolutely pathetic.

I can't believe you, Juninhio.
Why can't you see outside the square.

1- Your accusations are as bas as I said that all brazilians were in fact Europeans and Africans because they all have some european blood somewhere from portuguese, german, etc + African blood!!

2- For your information,
Zidane's parents are from Algeria, but Algeria was French until 1953. He was born in France.
Karembeu is from new caledonia. New caledonia is still a french territory.
Thuram is from Guadeloupe. Guadeloupe is still a French Territory.
Djorkaeff is originally from Russia but his father, Jean Djorkaeff, was already playing in the french national team.
And I sure there are many other cases but that is human nature: Men travel, Men fight for territories, Men settle etc...

Please, Juninho, make yourself a favour, find yourself a book to try to culture yourself, you would give everybody a break in the same time.

Patrick Vieira is from Dakar in Africa, Marcel Desailly is from Ghana. There is two more, I think this is a disgrace, you should play people from your country!

Come on!
Those guys desided to play for france. They weren't forced at gun point! They all have the French nationality. France is a very cosmopolitan country. Why not making it a big advantage for France.
I don't know much about Desailly but it is not a African Family name, is it? I think that one of his parents are French.
The thing that scares me most about your attitude, Belfastboy, is that you have the same ideas as LePen!!! Some of you guys hate the French because you think we like LePen but in fact you agree with LePen.
Make up your mind!!!

Your arguments are absurd. Why not blaming the Dutch for Gullit, Riijkaard, Davids etc
And cases like these, there are millions of them.
That is human nature. Grow up!

France 3-0 Brazil, South Korea 1-0 Brazil hahahaha!!!, Brazil really SUX.

''I admit Brasil lost fair and square to France.''

So why are you complaining then???

Juninhio
That's a pretty racist argument, so I pose you this one, how many of the Brazilian and Argentinian nation team players are native indians/aboriginals, since it was Spain and Portugal that first colonized South America...
The French players were French citizens, playing for France, it doesn't matter if their parents weren't from France.

Why do we let Juninhio draw us into these threads? Every single time I visit the forum there's a topic from him in BLOCK CAPITAL which will usually contain a racist comment or a completely ridiculous statement that everyone will disagree with. Then, like sacks of spuds, we fall into the trap and all jump up and down criticising him. The next day, another topic, and it all happens over again. Why do we have to put up with this? I admit that I'm guilty of replying to the sort of 'EVERY ONE EXCEPT SOUTH AMERICANS IS S**T' posts that turn up on here, but why not end it here? From now on, I'm boycotting all these stupid posts, put up here deliberately to incite a huge amount of replies which I'll bet that Juninhio doesn't actually read. If he wishes to post right-wing Nazist views, let him - but from now on I'm not going to fall into the trap of replying to them and giving him the satisfaction of rubbing us up the wrong way.

I am absolutely not a racist!!!!!

I am simply stating that players should be forced to play in what country they are from!!!!!!

desially viera thuram karembeau, who cares if its a french colony??

Should England submit a Commonwealth team with players from canada, ireland, india, wales, scotland and the other 30+ countries they have their control reaching too??

Its not fair if England cant but France Can

I think you don't understand what Juninhio said (or you want to understand other things...)

We just said that many France players are not from France, and ask opinions.
I agree with him.

For you that complains about a dive (I my god! The police should arrest a guy who dive! It is absurd! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif ) why you don't say nothing about that? Or about a Guy from Dutch Guiana playing for Dutch? A Ireland don't play for England, why for France and others countrys?

In Brazil we have the other side, many players (good players) that don't have a chnace at Brazilian team went to others country and play there.

well you guys also must understand that if those players who aren't actually french won't get close to winning trophies if they play with their real country. Like Algeria etc. These players have an ideal and that's to be world championship or whatever. And this is perfect for France.

Also Holland: They have Surinam players like Seedorf, Gullit, Rijkaard, Kluivert etc.


Germany, England, Italy and Spain aren't like this.

Actually england are like that, if Owen was to play for his proper country he'd be playing for Wales, but he didn't want to because Wales are crap.

Cheeky bastard, saying that Wales are crap!!!
We may not have qualified for Euro 2000, but we were improved from last Euro Championship qualifiers...

I'm Welsh, and I know for sure that Michael Owen couldn't qualify to play for us anyway, even though he lives in Hawarden (which is in Wales) and has lived there a long time.
His parents are English and Scottish, so he could have also played for Scotland...

Damn players like Seedorf, Thuram, etc should have respect for their homeland like George Weah. When asked why not immigrate out of Liberia he replied that he is an inspiration to the young impovrished youth and that he will never turn his back on his people to win a trophy!!!

Players should learn from his rather than go after selfish goals.

Why dont Brasil merge with Portugal to Put Luis Figo on their right flank. Its pretty much what some countries like France are doing, well lets see our defense is weak bring in those two guys from africa to tighten us up (Thuram and Desially or soon Silvestre).

The players on France, are French, but have dual citizen-ship (Juninhio that means that you come from two different countries) They just decided to play with France because France is better than Senegal or Algeria. George Weah is also 1/2 French, but chose to play for Liberia early in his career.

I agree completely with Junihio. The French team is a disgrace. At least half the team isn't even French. Any player who doesn't play for his real country is a piece of trash. They should learn from the great George Weah.

Ajax_supporter:

94 ---> Brazil 3x2 Holland
98 ---> Brazil 1x1 Holland (Brazil won 4x2 PK)

99 ---> Brazil 3x1 Holland
Holland 2x2 Brazil (with a PK not pointed by the referee)


SHUT UP!!! COSTUMER!!! HUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA HU

If you dont understand that your arguement is racist as in the "french team is not really french" I feel really bad for this world because apparently you learned nothing from history. This is the same kind of arguement like the Nazis made in 1932 that Jews were not really German so why not get rid of them?

Thiagow: Ajax Supporter is a moron didn't you know? His english is a bad as my Zimbabwian. I'll bet he doesn't know what this topic is about. As a matter of fact he doesnt know: Look at him, He sais brazil sux, but this topic is about people playing for another country.
I think he's just a stupid little boy who's getting his little tiny botto, kicked by his father every day.

Im sorry if you interpreted as that Polish. I guess a few of my examples were kind of lame Zidane Djorkeff etc.

But Thuram, Viera, Karembeau, Desially they were not born in France at all!! Come on man they may as well just immigrate to England.

All im saying is that George Weah and others like him could have done the same thing but decided that there were other thing that were more important such as acknowledging the millions of people in impovrished Ghana, Liberia, Suriname or whereever your from rather than a world cup.

Come on guys the little boys in these poor countries are tired of only having George to look up to!

Let's repeat quietly for Juninho because he is not a fast-learner.

Karembeu is From New-caledonia.
Look every where for a New-Caledonian team recognised by FIFA. You won't find it because New-Caledonia is part of France. New-Caledonian teams are paying the french Cup competition. New caledonia is not independant. It is not a country. It is like a region of France, every New-Caledonian are born with one citizenship = French not New-Caledonian.

Thuram is in the same case. He is from Guadeloupe. Guadeloupe is not a country. It is part of France thus he was born with a French Passport.

Desailly has a French parent. He was born in Ghana but lived most of his life in France. And as I said, Desailly is not an African name. It sure doesn't sound like Weah, Milla or Ikpeba anyway.

If you've got the opportunity to go and visit Europe, you will see that there are a lot of Black people in France and they are not clandestine immigrants, they have chosen to live in France because France has always been close (immigration policies) to French-speaking African Countries. Those people work, go to public schools, hospitals and etc... That is only fair that they choose to play for France if they are good at soccer. Because it is their country as much as mine.

And Polish is right, your arguments are very racist if not fascist.

oi,juninhio
i don't know how can claim to be brazilian, when your great great great great etc grandparents were probably portuguese..so why do you support brazil and not portugal?
you glory hunting hypocrite
also,let's not beat about the bush with this argument...what upsets YOU is BLACK players playing for france.
and also you've missed the obvious point that even if france had an all white eleven they would still whip second rate brazil's butt...brazil are nowhere,europe rules.

Forget Juninhio, the guys don't understand and don't want to understand...
He is just trying to open a discussion, but look like some could only flame.

Troll...

Ster where you from?

Just saw in your profile that you are from UK.

So what makes England&Scotish football so great, have you guys ever won a WC without bribeing referees, cheating and so on.

And whats so great about France, the only way they could have maid to the WC98 was by hosting, in the last 10+ they didnt even qualify for the WC.

Could someone tell me when was the last time France qualified for a WC.

[This message has been edited by ISSS4EVER (edited 01-09-2000).]

ISSS4EVER,
France last qualified in 1986, and they placed 3rd... losing to West Germany 2-0 in the Semi-Final.

The ALL CAP topic was actually not a stupid idea... it was just presented in an inflammatory manner.

Naturalization has always been an issue in international football. In the 1930 World Cup, the USA made the semi-finals where they lost to Argentina. Most of their players were immigrants... Are they Americans?
What is an "American"? In a country made up of immigrants from other lands, it becomes difficult to make rules.

The players on the French team in the 98 WC were either native, dual citizens, or naturalized Frenchmen.

Someone said "Should England submit a Commonwealth team with players from canada, ireland, india,wales, scotland and the other 30+ countries they have their control reaching too??"

First of all, I wouldn't include India as a country England has control reaching to....
As for the others... if the United Kingdom had a Football Federation and were members of FIFA, they could submit a team like that.
In fact, as the recent (Ipswich) Johnson fiasco showed, even with separate federations, there are problems.
As it stands, the UK isn't a member of FIFA.
England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, etc... are... independently.
BUT... there have been players born in one playing for the other.
Look at Johnson again...
Who HASN'T he played for?!?! :-)

What is a Brazilian? What is an Argentine?
What is a Frenchman? What is an American?
These are very hard questions. Different countries have different requirements for citizenship...
Imperialization, colonization, and immigration just add more questions.