As you can read at the SA main page the PARENTS (i don't afraid to be laughed at) of HEUTE-COUTURE KIT-MAKING want to LEAVE the scene forever. The people from SoccerEd almost "kill" the guys from SA by defamating them and linking the files without REFERENCE to SA. So, here's the last chance to KEEP them ALIVE! Just give your VOTE and PROVE them that they are PRICELESS and VITAL for you everyone! Remember, the WHOLE their destiny depends on your decision! VOTE immediately and PRAY the God to persuade them to stay on board!

Plz, make this THREAD STICKY!!! It's the most important poll EVER!

Originally posted by SlayeR
As you can read at the SA main page the PARENTS (i don't afraid to be laughed at) of HEUTE-COUTURE KIT-MAKING want to LEAVE the scene forever. The people from SoccerEd almost "kill" the guys from SA by defamating them and linking the files without REFERENCE to SA. So, here's the last chance to KEEP them ALIVE! Just give your VOTE and PROVE them that they are PRICELESS and VITAL for you everyone! Remember, the WHOLE their destiny depends on your decision! VOTE immediately and PRAY the God to persuade them to stay on board!

We never linked any $A files apart from one that was submitted to us by a member of FIFA Express back in January during the time at which it was looking as if they were quitting $A because of a money row. However after XB's first dumbfounded attack on Soccered a few months back, I deleted that file and any #GK kits that were on the Soccered downloads centre and with good reason.

If $A are still on their cheap talk about it being Soccered's fault that Ariel and XB are quitting the scene over something we said back at XB's wayward accusations then I don't care... the scene would be better off without them because after all, this crap they've been saying has been brought about by themselves. Let them quit the scene - the whole community would be better off without XB.

Anyway is this is sly dig at Soccered eh SlayeR? :mad:

Not this BS again!!! IMO you need both these websites 2 make a full FIFA community... without SA? No 2GK, SMS, and all the other (Unique I might add, unlike no other things) For soccered u lose....:D (J/K) the EMP files, the WC stadium files, the beautiful site... IMO they are both good sites so quench the fire and all the other BS u DB

I think sbdragon is right, people need all the sites.

So is better to stop this here.:o

I know the sites that have direct links to our downloads and soccered doesnt have one right now ok?

tho I see one direct link to one of the SA downloads like 2 or 3 months ago, but as JJ sayd he took it out. :)

lplease lets not start a fight about this again. everybody is tired of all this fights:D

What the f*** are all of you talking about? Both of the sites are VITAL for the community and anyone who don´t think this way is at least stupid.
Everyone in every site is important and also the ones that makes their own things by thenselves.
Is such an stupid thing to do this cos this community is what it is because of the people that it have and if we lose ANYONE, not only this 2 guys, it won´t ever be the same.
Is there anyone stupid enough to thing that the community will be better if we keep losing people? I hope not.
:mad: :mad:

What is happening now?

Soccered have not linked to any of your files, show me the proof, all of our downloads are made by our sites.

Before you start a war realize that we never did such a thing. Maybe you are mistaken us for the Polish site that stole everyones links.

Slayer I am surprised you would go so low as to start this.

-Xavier: Why did you start this again, it always seems as if we do nothing, you start something then you use our reactions as reason for the fight.

Please I am asking you to stop.

Yes, that Polish Site (fifaserwis.com - Centrum FIFY 2002) have got a load of files directly linked on their download page that are meant to be exclusives on the sites of the authors... There's a few $A things there, and FIFAFX... I think I could have seen a direct link to one of the FEd's there as well...

Anyway, if XB is starting this crap again then he is a fool for doing so. The whole shenanigans finished a while back and we were prepared to let it go in the knowledge that he was finally exiting the scene. So for him to bring this up is his own problem and so we're not taking any notice.

And as for SlayeR, a 2GK kit maker as so happens... I think you've done a bad thing making this topic rear it's ugly head again.

Guys, guys! I don't want this war as everyone here i'm sure too! I just only want to persuade Ariel and Xavier STAY on the scene, that's it. Yes, they are paid money for some of their works, but i'm sure that's NOT FORBIDDEN! But YOU everyone don't PAY this money to them! So, what are you talking about? Jusr realize WHAT have Ariel done with Xavi for FIFA and THINK, THINK, THINK! I'm not a "lawyer" of them, i'm just an ordinary kit-maker who want to make the things better! The only thing they both want from SoccerEd guys is STOP BLAMING them in the fact the they make money on users and FIFA gamers. Just take THEIR PLACE! They both live in Latin America and i think that's not a secret HOW BAD the economical situation in their countries is. They NEED this money to SURVIVE or they'll DIE! My only request for SE guys to THINK WHICH PART OF FIFA-COMMUNITY we will all loose is Ariel and Xavi are gone! I especially dedicate these words to the dude who answered in rude way to the 1st post of this thread... THINK WHAT YOU RE DOING! Just live in peace, we all need these guys and SE too and Fifamania also and so on an so on... Just listen IT'S just a COMPUTER GAME! There are so much wars in the world now why don't negotiate and come to the compromissing agreement?

Guys! One more thing... It is a VOTING thread so DON'T forget the most important thing... VOTE! I see that 150 visitors had viewed the thread but only a few more then 20 Votes they'd left. VOTE! VOTE! and VOTE! That'sthe MOST IMPORTANT part of this thread!

Originally posted by SlayeR
Guys, guys! I don't want this war as everyone here i'm sure too! I just only want to persuade Ariel and Xavier STAY on the scene, that's it. Yes, they are paid money for some of their works, but i'm sure that's NOT FORBIDDEN! But YOU everyone don't PAY this money to them! So, what are you talking about? Jusr realize WHAT have Ariel done with Xavi for FIFA and THINK, THINK, THINK! I'm not a "lawyer" of them, i'm just an ordinary kit-maker who want to make the things better! The only thing they both want from SoccerEd guys is STOP BLAMING them in the fact the they make money on users and FIFA gamers. Just take THEIR PLACE! They both live in Latin America and i think that's not a secret HOW BAD the economical situation in their countries is. They NEED this money to SURVIVE or they'll DIE! My only request for SE guys to THINK WHICH PART OF FIFA-COMMUNITY we will all loose is Ariel and Xavi are gone! I especially dedicate these words to the dude who answered in rude way to the 1st post of this thread... THINK WHAT YOU RE DOING! Just live in peace, we all need these guys and SE too and Fifamania also and so on an so on... Just listen IT'S just a COMPUTER GAME! There are so much wars in the world now why don't negotiate and come to the compromissing agreement?

SlayeR you just confuse me, what are you saying?

About the ecomical situation, there is nothing we can do halfway across the world so don't try to blame the situation on the FIFAcommunity.

I go to an international school with students from all over the world. Almost 30% of the students had a parent lose their job in the last 9 months, Everyone is feeling it so don't try to incite a war of words between two peoples that have no reason to fight.

No one came to my rescue when Asia was going through the same thing a couple years ago, both of my parents were laid off because all the banks went bust.

THIS IS BOOOOOORING:rolleyes: :mambo: :rolleyes:

Why can't yall just stop blaming soccered for every ****in lil thing?!:rolleyes:


immediately PRAY the God to persuade them to stay on board!


What the F(_)CK man?

I don't blame anyone! i don't want to unleash war as someone here think! I want just to find a peaceful way of solving the situation. Why do you in your turn blame ME in the war unleashing? I'm not a dyplomat and i just want the things get better. I just think that FIFA-community will take a CASUALTY if Ariel go off the scene. Just VOTE, that's the only thing i want. Don't post your useful comments!

I've said it before and I'll repeat it:
It's only a stupid game...

beside, just click "view results" at the poll...
I think that says it all.

Originally posted by schmeichel01
What is happening now?

Soccered have not linked to any of your files, show me the proof, all of our downloads are made by our sites.



thats what I sayd robert, I saw a link in your site but like 4 months ago.
that download JJ sayd in his first post that he took out.

Originally posted by JJ
We never linked any $A files apart from one that was submitted to us by a member of FIFA Express back in January
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There's no link now in soccered. Everything is fine.:D :) :D

bullsh*t

That's nonsense. Soccered is one of the world's best FIFA pages and they have many excellent patchmakers to create their own patches. They don't need linking to SoccerAccess patches directly to attract more visitors to their pages.

The SoccerAccess guys already announced that they are leaving the scene at least once or twice in the past, and of course nothing happened, they still are at the scene (and it's good for us all).

I love the SoccerAccess patches and I fully respect all SoccerAcces members, led by Ariel. They are all excellent patchmakers, our community needs as much as possible such guys. But I don't like these words "they link to our files directly so the users don't visit our pages, we will leave the scene and stop making patches". We all know the current problems with the polish pirates (read here (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40138) ), the stolen work of many patchmakers, including me. But this would never be a reason for me to blackmail to community by theatening leaving the scene.

Come on guys, if you have problems, solve it via email or ICQ, unfortunatelly you are from different places of the planet so you cannot fight ;)

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
bullsh*t

That's nonsense. Soccered is one of the world's best FIFA pages and they have many excellent patchmakers to create their own patches. They don't need linking to SoccerAccess patches directly to attract more visitors to their pages.

The SoccerAccess guys already announced that they are leaving the scene at least once or twice in the past, and of course nothing happened, they still are at the scene (and it's good for us all).

I love the SoccerAccess patches and I fully respect all SoccerAcces members, led by Ariel. They are all excellent patchmakers, our community needs as much as possible such guys. But I don't like these words "they link to our files directly so the users don't visit our pages, we will leave the scene and stop making patches". We all know the current problems with the polish pirates (read here (http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40138) ), the stolen work of many patchmakers, including me. But this would never be a reason for me to blackmail to community by theatening leaving the scene.

Come on guys, if you have problems, solve it via email or ICQ, unfortunatelly you are from different places of the planet so you cannot fight ;)


yes I'm with you on this one, and I can assure everybosy that there's not a link to our downloads from soccered now, not even one.
just from those polish ****ers!!!:mad: :mad:

"We never linked any $A files apart from one that was submitted to us by a member of FIFA Express back in January during the time at which it was looking as if they were quitting $A because of a money row."

There you go again. Why do you have to invent that FifaExpress was going to leave SA for money?. Why don't you let the staff at FifaExpress decide were they want to be hosted and stop inventing stuff about us.

The ONLY thing I'm trying to prove is that with fifaspot's attitude its pretty hard to keep a good payment to Ariel, so thanks for running out us of biz. For example, I'm offering a hosting service. But there you go and start telling people FIfaExpress was going to leave us for a money issue. That's the publicity we don't appreciate from your part. Other example, your endless difamations in your forums. Another one, the 3GK that were copied at fifaspot. I knew that if one site started to copy our files more sites will continue that example and there you see that polish site. Now you said that you were going to leave for good. You announcef that you were going to "retire" because of us. Now THAT'S something that doesn't makes any sense. If you go to the SoccerAccess forums or to our news archive you'll notice we removed any conflictive post regarding your site. That's a way of saying we're sorry to the community cause its a pretty annoying attitude, to difamate other's site. So we stopped doing that. Now why can't you do the same?

It was Diego who called me and told me I had 48 hours to remove all insults to soccered, his name and his network or otherwise I will go to jail cause he has more money than my family and therefore can corrupt a local lawyer. Robert was the one who gaved diego this "advice" so if you want us not to mention yourself and your site on our forums I wonder why don't you start doing the same stuff at your site.

I don't know what is more important for you guys at soccered: To keep all your offenses forever and ruin our partnerships with fifamania.it, or to put some descency in your forums and stop persuading people to insult us at your site, in the SG forums, and everywere you can invent up stuff about us.

We had a very important project called the 8 a Side patch. For that we need the help of fifamania.it for a cage like stadium. However, we're pretty much screwed because we don't get to an agreement regarding your site. Fifamania.com wants to post your news, so that's cool. However, Ariel doesn't feels he wants to work for a site that promotes sites in the fifaspot network. Basically because he's pretty much upset with the fact that the fifaspot network lied to everybody, copied his 3GK kits, and published them as their own.

About this post, I didn't started it, so I don't feel I should be accused of starting these conflictive posts. I personally asked Slayer not to post threats like this cause it would birng up new discussion about an issue that will never change.

So that's the prob. fifaspot's attitude is basically the same. We lost a very important partner cause we think different. For the guys at fifamania.it its a fight that's not important. But for Ariel and I its a group of teenagers that's makign all their efforts to ruin us out of biz. So what we'll do is put all that effort in creating soccer sites and leave the editing for our spare time.

We would love you to understand that if you can moderate your forums, then we'll have no reason to ask fifamania.com to stop posting your site news if they want us to create skill moves, player entrances, and goal celebrations for their patches.

So there are 2 sites that are affected by your attitude, and a whole community that obviously is frustrated with us. We don't blame them, we feel very sad too. Without the stadiums from fifamania.it we're screwed.

Originally posted by xbaez
"We never linked any $A files apart from one that was submitted to us by a member of FIFA Express back in January during the time at which it was looking as if they were quitting $A because of a money row."

There you go again. Why do you have to invent that FifaExpress was going to leave SA for money?. Why don't you let the staff at FifaExpress decide were they want to be hosted and if they have any complains they can post it here.

The ONLY thing I'm trying to prove is that with your site difamating us its pretty hard to keep a good payment to Ariel, so thanks for running out us of biz. For example, I'm offering a hosting service. But there you go and start telling people FIfaExpress was going to leave us for a money issue. That's the publicity we don't appreciate from your part. You'll never understand.

I don't know what is more important for you guys at soccered: To keep all your offenses forever and ruin our partnerships with fifamania.it, or to put some descency in your forums and stop persuading people to insult us at your site, in the SG forums, and everywere you can invent up stuff about us.

We had a very important project called the 8 a Side patch. for that we need the help of fifamania.it for a cage like stadium. However, we're pretty much screwed because we don't get to an agreement regarding your site. Fifamania.com wants to post your news, so that's cool. However, Ariel doesn't feels he wants to work for a site that promotes sites in the fifaspot network. Basically because he's pretty much upset with the fact that the fifaspot network lied to everybody, copied his 3GK kits, and published them as their own.

About this post, I didn't started it, so I don't feel I should be accused of starting these conflictive posts. I personally asked Slayer not to post threats like this cause it would cause it will birng up new discussion about an issue that will never change.

Well, it was known to me at the beginning of the year that FIFA Express were set to leave SA - I don't know the full story behind all of that because I was going on the basis of what Rob Marney told me. Therefore I don't know who to believe, and so I hope that someone from FIFA Express can clear up that matter to put this argument to bed.

If Ariel has got a problem with Soccered then I would prefer to hear from him personally so that half of this crap can be cleared up, because right now I have reason to believe Xavier that you are putting words into his mouth.
It might be true what you are saying, then again it might not, but if I get to hear Ariel's opinion directly then at least then I will know the full story and so I can do something about it.

The same thing applies with Fifamania.it, because as far as I know they're never had any problems with Soccered, so if they do have a problem with something we are doing then they too should contact me personally. If the fact that they post stuff about Soccered on their site is what is affecting your partnership with them then I think that's rather extreme.

As for the situation with Fifaspot, I'm not sure what the deal is with 3GK kits as I don't go there often, because I don't understand Spanish. What they have in their downloads centre is completely independent to what Soccered has in their downloads centre. The only time when we have any Fifaspot files is when Dihego posts them himself on Soccered.

If you got a problem with that then I suggest you e-mail Dihego himself. I know you got a problem with talking to him but something's got to give. And as for the prejudice against Fifaspot sites, I think that is rather unfair as you are tarring every Fifaspot hosted sites with the same brush. A bit over the top don't you think?

As far as the Soccered forums are concerned, yes there are problems with that because of the lenient rules. However with the site going through a personnel revamp to commence next week there is something that will be done about it. I will make sure that there is no more anti-SA stuff from both staff and visitors just the same as I did with any anti-SG issues a few months back. I am going to do this so that there's no more fights and that both sites can get on with doing their own stuff without conflict.

Anyway I've had enough of the crap and I want to move away from this. I've made sure there are no SA files in the Soccered Downloads Centre and the other members of your staff are ok about that. Our DC consists of files made by Soccered staff and submissions from others, but never any directly linked files that are exclusives to other sites. I agree that isn't fair and I want to maintain that. However, I am rather disappointed at SlayeR for starting the ball rolling again because I thought this problem had gone for good.

That's my two pence on this...

please stop this :f***: and let's work on new patches OK? :)

I think both two sites are too good to lead world soccer community.
Stop wars please.

I don't understand the problem now.

For Xavier, everyone but you seems to understand soccered is not fifaspot and fifaspot is not soccered. We are independent sites that share news and downloads. What appears on FIFAspot cannot be accredited to soccered.

As for the conflict now, I don't know what you are talking about. Dihego has been away for over a week and will be away for another week while he is in e3 and at the world cup.

How can he give you attitude if he is not online?

I suggest you stop now as everyone is starting to realize that you give attitude but when it comes back to you, you cannot take it in return.

I am still willing to keep the truce that we agreed on, but it seems now like before while I am looking for a peaceful community you are looking for a fight.

I would like to express that I support XB's position completely. I am also tired of all this discussion and all the insults our site has received. If I didn't appeared in these forums before it was because I don't have time and I'm pretty busy with other tasks.

I think we should stop the fights now. there's no link to our downloads no so there's no problem.:D :D :D

Originally posted by Hakeem
I think we should stop the fights now. there's no link to our downloads no so there's no problem.:D :D :D

I second that ....again. Someone should explain to Xavier that 1) The views of fans in public forums cannot be controlled by a site, unless they speak of illegal actions or something there is nothing wrong with saying "I hate *****" 2) Fifaspot is not Soccered so if you have a problem with Dihego then sort it out with him, not with people from other sites.

If we all agree to that there is no reason to fight.

Originally posted by schmeichel01
Fifaspot is not Soccered so if you have a problem with Dihego then sort it out with him, not with people from other sites.

If we all agree to that there is no reason to fight.

I agree with that too:)

same here.

i do not wish to say more as everyone has agreed to bring peace and love to this community. we all should stop all these slaggings and ruthless comments, may it be real or imaginary. what's over is all history and there's no reason why we should bring it up all over again.

JJ and Matt Holme has already reconciled months ago...

so this is a gret example for you guys (esp XB) to know that ppl that were on headends CAN be friends again. and well, i do not know what the whole issue is about, about FIFAMANIA and SoccerAccess stuffs.... coz this isn't my problem.

and so i hope we all can work together and bring out better patches, and maybe we should state clearly and nicely in the future that we do not wish other site to host the patch etc. in this way we can solve matters easier and nicer in a more gentle way.

and well, i hope you(XB) understand that we have nothing against you. I, personally uses Ariel's works, such as cienmatics, SMS and 4GK sometimes and i respect his works. and therefore i hope you will also respect us and our works.

seriously, we have done nothing worng and it was always those kind of "out-of-a-sudden" bring up a new kind of story like slagging Soccered off, saying bad things abt us etc, and you guys leaving the scene. it's these kind of things(totally untrue and ridiculous) that pisses me. and those times when u flood my ICQ with vulgarities that really shook me and it was really sad that i hadn't done anything wrong and then u said all those things to me. however, all is over and i wish to forget all those crap. and well, if everyone, S-A and Soccered ppl and fans could stop fighting against each other, then these 2 major FIFA sites can prevail and bring out better works.

and please, i am not JJ. JJ is Joey Jones. I am Yj, Yujie. So please do not mix the 2 of us up again.:D

1) I´m not really involved about some fatcs that you are pointing, like fifamania, fifaspot and others "affairs".SO I´ll not talk about it.
2) I think all this "war" is a waste of time, a lot of time and energies for both sides.
3) I´ll talk without names becouse I don´t want to start all this thing again

I saw many ugly comments in this forum, but I must say that both sides used that way for talk to the other... is it necesary? Guys..both of you are MAJOR sites, this kind of things takes your site´s image down infront of the eyes of your users. You must keep your personal diferences in private...except of course critical problems as stoled links or things like that(just an exapmle not pointing any body)...that CAN BE SOLVED IN PRIVATE TOO.
As you know FIFAExpress (I´m one of the websmasters) is hosted by SA, and I must say that they are very kind people like XB and Ariel...but also I HAVE FRIENDS on soccered and I think they are cool too. So if the people can be friends no matter "the sides" why the two BIGGEST sites in scene can´t be in peace? I´m sure that there are NOT millons involved so this killing competence is just FOR NOTHING...

Both sites must be in peace! please stop this..I´ll not post about this any more.

Note:
- I have two nuclear bombs for sale...may be one of you want to buy one?...
- Just joking (but if this war continue probably I´ll be rich) ;)

Cheers

Diego Chiappussi

Diego and Yj! You are BOTH extremely RIGHT! I DON'T want to talk, to fight and so on. I just want to persuade Ariel to stay onboard. Just think what to do to persuade him?

yep, but the prob is u shouldn't have started all this and putting Soccered down as the bad guy.