This is my theory for what Brazil are doing wrong.
For a start, their formation, which they call 3-5-2, but i think is closer to 5-3-2 with wing backs, really sucks.
A team like Brazil, SHOULDNT have 3 Centre backs.
They should change this to 4-4-2.
ALSO one major problem, is that Rivaldo IS NOT a striker. Everyone says he saves his best play for Barcelona, and always lets down Brazil, well maybe if he was played in his correct position then he would be playing better. Move him to CF/CAM just behind the front two.
Have the 4 midfielders as a diamond formation. Emerson CDM, and Rivaldo CAM. Left Winger, HAS to be Denilson, and right winger Juninho. Finally, i think Ronaldinho, is much more of a striker then Rivaldo, so I would put him there. Everything else basically speaks for it self.

GK-Marcos
LB-Roberto Carlos
RB-Cafu
CB-Lucio
CB-Edmilson
DM-Emerson (C)
LW-Denilson
RW-Juninho
AM-Rivaldo
ST-Ronaldinho
ST-Ronaldo

Thats my Brazil team, anyone that thinks it could be stronger wth players from the CURRENT world cup squad (so dont say romario, jardel etc should be there, they arent in the WC squad) then feel free to do so, but i still think that its the strongest Brazil team.

Where did you see your formation... from everything I have read it will be the Ronaldos up front with Rivaldo behind them...

Brazil have been playing a 5-3-2 for many years now... The Wingbacks are not dedicated but ovelappers... As they move up the defense opens and does not stay with 3 central backs.

Where did you get your idea about the formation you are complaining about?

Lúcio is sometimes the player closest to the opponent's goal. Also, Cafu and Roberto Carlos are great wing-backs.

The flip side is that Brazil were terrible in qualifying.

OK so I don't really have an opinion on this... we'll see at the World Cup.

Originally posted by Xenieze
Where did you see your formation... from everything I have read it will be the Ronaldos up front with Rivaldo behind them...

Brazil have been playing a 5-3-2 for many years now... The Wingbacks are not dedicated but ovelappers... As they move up the defense opens and does not stay with 3 central backs.

Where did you get your idea about the formation you are complaining about?

I realise that the wing backs are overlappers, and the way u described the formation, was exactly how i understood it. However, i still think that 4-4-2 suits Brazil better. They need their Centre Backs to play as Centre Backs, but the Fullbacks (cafu and rc) can make runs up the wing just as they have previousley done. I really think, that Brazil are better off to start with Denilson, then an extra Centre back, and that is basically what it comes down to. I got my information about Rivaldo starting at Striker from the Malaysia Friendly. In that game, Ronaldinho was playing at Left Attacking Mid, and they currently dont have a Centre Attacking mid, as they would with 4-4-2.

Brazil have used 5-3-2/3-5-2 (however u look at the wingbacks), AND 4-4-2 for years. They have often changed. What I'm saying, is in an attacking team like Brazil, u r better off to have an attacking centre midfielder, just behind the front two, then a Centre Back.
My lineup, for MY formation, is posted above, in my first post, and I still say, that Brazil would be a stronger team if they used it.
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sKIp_E

with all this uncertainty of the squad and tactics for the brazilian side i think turkey just might beat em!

I wasn't mentioning the formation so much as the player positions... I saw them all playing "basically" where you said on a few sites.

I think the big problem with Brasil is that as they stopped playing really flowing Samba football and have gooten more static in attacks they lost their style and edge. They have amazing players, but they just don't play well together anymore.

I think everyone has a good chance at beating brasil this year... they are more inconsistent than ever... they could beat Argentina 5-0 or lose to China 5-0 if the air shifts or somebody gets a little gas.

yeah, and this is just why, they need a formation change. 4-4-2 is muhc more flowing then 5-3-2/3-5-2 in my opinion, and u say th eplayers are basically the same ether way, with 5-3-2 they cant be the same because of the extra back, EVEN though these backs are very aggresive. I think ur better off to have one more dedicated midfielder, then 2backs that attack. This brings consistentency
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sKIp_E

when brazil play with 4-4-2 formation, the team doesn't use the diamond formation for the midfield. with 4-4-2 the team uses two defensive midfielders and two offensive midfielders.

people say rivaldo plays better for barcelona, but this difference was bigger when he played as a midfielder in the brazilian national team.

anyway, ronaldinho gaúcho and rivaldo will switch their positions during the game - ronaldinho going to attack and rivaldo back to the mid.

also, (unfortunately) denilson never played as a midfielder in the brazilian nt.

my formation, with the current squad, would be:

GK Rogério Ceni
LB Roberto Carlos
RB Cafu
CB Lucio
CB Edmilson
DM Emerson
DM Vampeta
AM Ronaldinho Gaúcho
AM Denilson
ST Rivaldo
ST Ronaldo

the AMs and Rivaldo would switch their positions many times during the game. close to a 4-2-4 formation.

ok, out of the two AM's one has to be slightly left, one slightly right, so which do u have where? Both would rather play on the left.
I am saying what I think Brazil SHOULD do, NOT what Brazil actually do when they go with 4-4-2.
I think that a diamond midfield suits the team better.
Denilson used to play midfielder for Brazil back in the day when Romario and Ronaldo (which didnt happen much), or either one of those two and someone else, played Striker. Anyway as i said, u r basing ur team on what Brazil actually do, not what Brazil SHOULD neccesarily do.
I think two am's and two dm's lacks width, and also lacks centre control. I think the formation doesnt work because its inbetween wide and central. Finally, i think Denilson is at his best when playing out wide, on the wing, not in the centre. Anyway thats just my opinion, as i said, im sure lots of people disagree.
I still stick by my theory that playing Rivaldo, out of position at Striker, isnt going to help him play at his best. If they want him to play at his best for Brazil, as he does for Barca, give him time to settle at CAM.
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sKIp_E

i'm saying how brazil actually SHOULD play, not what they would do with 4-4-2. probably, with this formation, scolari would NEVER put denilson as a midfielder, as i posted.

with the diamond formation on midfield, the defense becomes crap. when cafu or roberto carlos goes to attack, the DM must go back to the defense. and with the diamond formation, there would be such a huge space between the defense and the wingers/midfielders.

yeap, denilson plays better on the wings, not in the center. but with my idea, he would play on both wings. as i said, AMs (denilson and ronaldinho) and rivaldo would change their positions during the game. sometimes denilson can go to the left wing and make some moves with roberto carlos and rivaldo or ronaldinho. in center, ronaldinho, ronaldo and rivaldo would make good moves. there are many possibilities of attack with this formation i build, without taking out the care with the defense.

i think your formation is kinda "static". skilled players as the brazilian ones need some kinda "freedom" on the field, switching positions and making unexpected moves.



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i saw from one magazine claiming that under the current coach brazil has turn up to be a dirty team... how true is that??

Not neccesarily dirty, but very boring to watch. With the players Brazil have, they should be one of the best teams to watch, but they are very boring to watch now, because of the way Scolari sets up their formation.
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sKIp_E