The best arguments are the field argument.
Did you saw Manchester Game today?
And did you saw Edilson and Edmundo goals?
It was luck? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hope now you understand that, just because you don't see a players name at the midia, or don't know his, he is crap, and GOONER that there is a world outside Great Britain that plays football, and plays a very good football.
I think you should be surprised every time your great players miss a WC to this unfamous players...

PS: That's the same mind that make Brazil without a WC for 24 years, and England until 66. We are so good that we don't need to worried about the others. You never saw Germany dodin't that and they won 2 WC against better teams (54 and 74).
That's why they are winner, witha bad or good team.

Give it up eh,
The bottom line is that i see Brittish football as real football and not so much the South American but the Italian and spanish leagues as a crappy sit com. As soon as a player is tackles clean or fair they hit the ground and start putting on a show, it`s horrible to watch for a fan of real football believe me.

Gooner the real football is the one that smacked you in the head few times too many...

If italian&spanish football are a sit-com then Brittish Football would be a soap opera and Beckham would be the lead actor. I never seen a Football player, err mean football actor that could put on a show more outside the game then playing the game.

Like wearing his wife lingerie and making headlines because of that instead of making the headlines because he has won a football title. And even being that lame he can still acts like a snob bratt.

Yeah the fact that beckham likes to get into Posh`s gear has nothing to do with what goes on on the field. The only reason becks got sent off was because he wanted to come home and start shagging her.

Take this for an example:
In the Arsenal V Liester draw in the cup everytime Heskey got fouled he tried to play on despite temporary injury. And every time someone got the ball off Henry or made a fraction of contact with him he started crying to the ref and sulking.

Now that`s why Heskey is a success in the prem and Henry is a joke. Henry has been playing in europe too long to understand that a player is allowed to tackle you.

So for you dive is more important then skill, technique, dribble?
Edilson is a hell skilled, fast, but He dives! Ohhhhhhhhhhh! Call the cops!
So he became a not very good player!?

So the Spanish and Italian League have the best player, but they dive so they are not good?!

Just a question: How do you fell when you read soccer hsitory and discover that your England/Scotland that made the best players in the world, only one 1 WC and none 2 Place, and Scotland (I think) never pass 1 Round, and won a Euro? How do you explain, feel?

Ps: Are you so ingenous at life too? I never saw a player calling the referee to say that he didn´t suffer a foul... in England or Brazil...

Just completing what Lord said about England:

They won the 66 WC because they prepared it to win. Otherwise they´d be on the line until these days.

"Ps: Are you so ingenous at life too? I never saw a player calling the referee to say that he didn´t suffer a foul... in England or Brazil... "

Actually, Liverpool vs Arsenal at Highbury a few years ago; Robbie Fowler tripped on a breakaway and at first glance it looked like Seaman had brought him down, and the ref blew the whistle, but Robbie got up and clearly motioned to the ref that he hadn't been fouled - he managed not to get Seaman sent off, but the stupid ref still gave the penalty (which Fowler then missed). Fowler was praised publicly by both the F.A. and FIFA.

Neutral,
what a perfect example of the brittish game. Thats the kind of stuff that i like to see. Players should be respected for having morale such as fowler. And another example is tony adams. If he knows he`s in the wrong he wont even try to pleade his innocence but when he spots a ligit foul of offside by the opposition he lets the ref know and this mentality has earned him great respect by referees and they know he`s no Bull**** artist.

Lord,
I`ve said it once and i`ll say it for the last time.
I know there are some very skilful players overseas but i don`t care. I watch the Brittish football because its the most entertaining. The reason i don`t like the Spanish and Italian leagues is because they are boring and full cheats and i`m sorry the skill doesnt compensate the diving
Oh and there is no PASSION!

Goonerboy

It´s curious, I don´t watch the english championship for the same reason: it´s boring....it doesn´t have skillful players....it´s only kick and rush..............THIS SUX!!!

I remember an incident sometimes ago.. it's between Liverpool and Arsenal. Fowler is trying to jump over seaman's rush, but he lost his balance and fell down, the ref award a penalty kick for Liverpool, and then Fowler say to the ref that it was not a foul but the ref keep standing at his decision and the penalty was taken, Seaman saved it and someone scored from the rebound.

It's a nice sportmanship showned by Fowler, what will happen in a situation like this if it was Other player and not fowler ?? they will probably roll over the pitch and act like they've been stomped by a T-rex. And I saw a lot of 'actors' at Italian league, no, I'm not bashing Italian league , I love both leagues , but it seems like diving is a very ocassional event in Italian league.


Goonerboy :
I agree about your view on Tony Adams, althought I'm not an Arsenal or liverpool supporters, but i respect Adams very much.

ISSS4Ever :
I hate the way you bashing Beckham, talking about wearing Victoria's gears is not related to this thread.

Beckham is a very good players and I admit he has some temper problem, it is not nice to see he doing the things, but oh well, every player has a good and bade side right ?
and about makind headlines, it's not beckham making the headlines, it is the press, Every small incident done by Beckham can turn out huge at newspaper , why ? cause it sells ! It is a as simple as that.

Hey guys!

I m new to this topic and u are god damn lucky that i am!!! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif
This is another argument kinda like "what team is the best in the world". Everybody is gonna have their own opinion on that, and some fans(and as i understand by the way u talk, u are fans, not players) just blindly support their favorite team, player, whatever...
Ther is no question that brazilian players on the avarage are much better skilled then European players. But ther is no question that English football, and european players are much more organazed then south american football/players.
As for leages.... i personaly would prefer to watch English leage because i prefer a well organazed football to indivudual footbal where every player is for himself. And england got some pretty good damn players too. No, i m not saying that brazilian football is not organazed, it is just less organized, but with more skilled players. As i said before and i ll say it again, this is just a matter of preference!!!
But if u gonna talk about diving....this is a whole different thing... As a player u have to do whatever u have to to win a game. I really admire what Fowler did in that game with Arsenal, but i bet he also dives, everybody dives. And by the way..... brazilian football avarages 50 fouls per game, which is i think the most out of all the leagues.
Btw, I love spanish football, i think it is very well skilled and organized. Just look how Barcelona plays. Not to many teams like that in spain though http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif Like Celta Vigo too.
Italy..... Even though they got the best players, buy best skilled players from all over the world, got strong teams, their football is so disorganized and dirty and rough that i dont like to watch it and i almost never do. The only italian team i can watch is Lazio and Juventus sometimes because of Zidane.
Again, this is only my opinion, but as they say... there can be only two opinions, mine and the wrong one.
juuuuust joking http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif

Take care, guys

Good example about English League! Now give me another!? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
One example is not enought.
If you prefer medium players then superb players that dive every game (what a mosnter! Burn him!) It is your problem.
But you are young you have too much time to learn...

But, you didn't anwser my question...?
So? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
I just want your opinion.

Basten - I agree with you. Diferent leagues, diferent styles. In Brazil we have +- 50 fouls a game, but it was not because the players are dirt, but referee style.
Here (and South America) the referee call more fouls, in Europe then let the game.

Diferent Styles, Diferent Leagues, in referee too.

Like Italian ans Spanish league. England need more great players to be better.

Joe Glide I remember that game pretty clearly it was a monday night game few year ago, but could not remember the team, I though it might have been vs Newcastle. Anyway wasnt it Fowler himself who knocked it in?

Polish,
Fowler did step up but then missed it.
PS: Neutral also posted this example.

Lord,
I remember a few years ago a player was fouled by another and sent off. But the player fouled later came to his defence to shorten the players ban.
I can`t remember names, can anyone help me here?

and another one:
Last season in the FA Cup Arsenal scored an unfair yet still ligit goal to beat Sheffield Utd. But instead of walking away with the points Arsenal offered to replay the match which luckily for them they won.

You still didn´t awnser my question...
And I think you will not...

Lord:

I do not know what your question is. All I can say is that all of the diving detracts from the game. Skilled players should not dive. I think it is immoral to do so. You should try to win, but win fairly, not by cheating.

No one questions the skill of Brazilian players. But diving is annoying-- just like when I watch American Football or Basketball and see players taunt and show off. Good players don't need to cheat or taunt.

Blue - My question was for GOGO
I agree that If a player does not cheat it would be better, but one thing is a offside, another is a dive, it very dificult to tell if it was or not, if you play ina "oficial" game you know, the game today is ver physycal.

My point was that GOGO and some guys say that Brazilian (Argentinian too) was not that good because they dive. And it is like to say a beckham is not a good player because he is stupid, and work agaisnt his team.


And if Brazilian and South American dives more it is because they play more with the ball they dribble more, they have more skill with the ball. That was always our force.
Europe with more crossing, team play.

Well can you please point out where i said anything against Brazillian or Argentinian players?
I don`t watch the Brazillian of Argentinian leagues at all mainly because we don`t get any coverage so how could i possibly criticize them either?