Who are your favourite f1 drivers and teams.

Mine are
Barrichello
Michael Shumey
Fisi
Trulli

and favourite team is Ferrari.

Favourite team: Williams BMW

Favourite drivers:Montoya, Raikonnen, Button

driver: Schumi, Ralf, Fisichella

team: Ferrari

team: ferrari
drivers: schumacher, barrichello, irvine

favourite team :- ferrari

drivers :- Barrichello , M.Schumacher , Trulli , Button , Coulthard

Of course Ferrari......i've been a fan since the days of Alesi.....when Schumy was at Benneton .......


Drivers - Schumy , Barrichello, Frentzen , Jos 'the boss' Verstappen :D, Fisichella

I guess no one likes Damon Hill...., Irvine was always my favourite becuase at the time when I started to watch it there was no one from Australia, now theres Mark Webber, but he will never be anything good

my favourtie team is either McLaren or Williams, but they are both sh*t now... no more competition (until Schumacher retires)

Ferrari and Schumy but I really like Heinz-Herald Frentzen:D

i liked m. schummi(and ferrari) in 95-00, but now he wins to much, so i turned my back on him...

:monkeyman

...and now my favorites are r. schummi(and montoya and williams)

Trulli
Fisichella
Barrichello
Micheal

Are the best F1 are drivers in the world

Bennetton
Ferrari.

Fav team ---fERRARI
Driver------Narain karthikeyan.:D ;)

Originally posted by saurabh
Driver------Narain karthikeyan.:D ;)

oh no ! how did i forget him !!!!!:D :crazyboy:

Being an INDIAN you shouldn't have forgotten him.:D ;) :crazyboy:

hell ya ! :D and if u know karun chandok is a great driver too . he was 2nd or something in F3 this year and looks like he can be the one to challenge karthikeyan of being the first indian driver in f1 ! lets wait and see..... :D

Well for me it would be narain.

Team Orders have now been banned - shame that only applies to the race itself.

I would have like to see the practice of teams favouring one driver in terms of giving him all the best tech and set up (e.g. Ferrari where Schumacher is given an advantage by Ferrari over Barrichello)

If is happened then the title race would be competitive - OK it would be between 2 Ferrari drivers but that scenario is better than Schuey running off with it from the start.

Favourite team:
BMW.WilliamsF1.Team

Favourite drivers:
Giancarlo Fisichella
Nick Heidfeld

Team: Williams BMW

Driver: J. P. Montoya

Originally posted by Lui
Who are your favourite f1 drivers and teams.

Mine are
Barrichello
Michael Shumey
Fisi
Trulli

and favourite team is Ferrari.

Come on, surely as an Aussie Mark Webber has to rate in their somewhere...

And zul-aid as for him never being anything good, he is as good a driver as a fair few of the guys going around there, but in F1 it comes down to team 90% of the time (although Schumacher is a class above the rest).

Ive ALWAYS been a huge Williams fan.

I used to be a big Damon Hill fan, although i wasnt a huge Villeneuve fan.

Now my favourite drivers are Ralf Schumacher, and of course Mark Webber.

Webber wont feature in the Championship title race next year (or the race for 2nd behind Schumacher), but he will surely take a fair few points in the Championship, especially now that he is in a decent car (well better than a Minardi ;))

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
Come on, surely as an Aussie Mark Webber has to rate in their somewhere...

And zul-aid as for him never being anything good, he is as good a driver as a fair few of the guys going around there, but in F1 it comes down to team 90% of the time (although Schumacher is a class above the rest).

Ive ALWAYS been a huge Williams fan.

I used to be a big Damon Hill fan, although i wasnt a huge Villeneuve fan.

Now my favourite drivers are Ralf Schumacher, and of course Mark Webber.

Webber wont feature in the Championship title race next year (or the race for 2nd behind Schumacher), but he will surely take a fair few points in the Championship, especially now that he is in a decent car (well better than a Minardi ;))

Cheers
sKIp_E


U present some valid points there Mr S. Alrhough. 90% team????
Coome on lets see yoong or webber win a wdc in a ferrari next season :| .

Yeah webber ranks up there two for me as a rookie.

Originally posted by zul-aid
[B], now theres Mark Webber, but he will never be anything good

Hey, the man's a geneus. He got a point in a minardi :confused:

Originally posted by Parra Power
Hey, the man's a geneus. He got a point in a minardi :confused:

Webber is a good driver, although, i dont think he is champion material. I may be wrong, but there are some better drivers out there. Good luck to the fellow aussie, but, yeah, i would be nice to see him up there and boost the popularity of the sport up in aust, rather than v8 bs.......(*Cough! Cough! Abba!* (jk)):rolleyes:

Originally posted by Lui
Webber is a good driver, although, i dont think he is champion material. I may be wrong, but there are some better drivers out there. Good luck to the fellow aussie, but, yeah, i would be nice to see him up there and boost the popularity of the sport up in aust, rather than v8 bs.......(*Cough! Cough! Abba!* (jk)):rolleyes:

Yeah, but Teams make a huge difference, really Hakkinen was NEVER the best driver in the world, and really, I think that if McLaren had wanted Coulthard to win that year, he would have too.
Look at the last champions, other than Schuey, cos he is a freak...

You have Hakkinnen (McLaren absolutly dominated)
Villenueve (Williams dominating)
Hill (Better driver than Jacques, but Williams still going bloody well)
And you can even thrown in Coulthard and Barrichello, who have a few 2nd's between them, which they can thank their teams for.

See, teams make a huge difference. I would be willing to back Webber in for a top 4 end of year Championship place, if he was in a Ferrari (or a McLaren 2 years ago ;))

Cheers
sKIp_E

shoomacker (:D) was unlucky against Damon Hill and Jaques Villenueve.

He was bloody close to winning the championship against those two guys :o

Originally posted by sKIp_E
Yeah, but Teams make a huge difference, really Hakkinen was NEVER the best driver in the world, and really, I think that if McLaren had wanted Coulthard to win that year, he would have too.
Look at the last champions, other than Schuey, cos he is a freak...

You have Hakkinnen (McLaren absolutly dominated)
Villenueve (Williams dominating)
Hill (Better driver than Jacques, but Williams still going bloody well)
And you can even thrown in Coulthard and Barrichello, who have a few 2nd's between them, which they can thank their teams for.

See, teams make a huge difference. I would be willing to back Webber in for a top 4 end of year Championship place, if he was in a Ferrari (or a McLaren 2 years ago ;))

Cheers
sKIp_E

I still disagree, but u present a valid point. Cars do make a lot of difference although not to the extent of 90%, i would say more 69%. Drivers have more controls on there cars now, even though, they handle better, etc. the driver still has to have that skill, and ability to determine their own setup.


Barrichello, an example, consistently was climbing up the ladder each year, in stewart ford, now, he is still consistently climbing that ladder. now if his trend continues, he may be wdc next season, who knows.

I understand though, that vehicle reliablility, tyres and stuff are all important, but the driver makes that difference.

Originally posted by Lui
I still disagree, but u present a valid point. Cars do make a lot of difference although not to the extent of 90%, i would say more 69%. Drivers have more controls on there cars now, even though, they handle better, etc. the driver still has to have that skill, and ability to determine their own setup.


Barrichello, an example, consistently was climbing up the ladder each year, in stewart ford, now, he is still consistently climbing that ladder. now if his trend continues, he may be wdc next season, who knows.

I understand though, that vehicle reliablility, tyres and stuff are all important, but the driver makes that difference.

Yeah, the driver does make a difference of course, but I think your post has in fact given me evidence!

Your example of Barrichello, is great to prove my point. Would Barrichallo even be considered a WDC contender if he was still driving for Stewart? IMHO, the answer is no.
He was a good driver at Stewart Ford, but was never a contender because his team/car wasnt up to scratch.

I think the fact is, in F1 to have a chance you have to be in the top 3 teams (Williams, McLaren, Ferrari). Being a good driver will just decide whereabouts amongst the top teams u'll finish ;)

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
Yeah, the driver does make a difference of course, but I think your post has in fact given me evidence!

Your example of Barrichello, is great to prove my point. Would Barrichallo even be considered a WDC contender if he was still driving for Stewart? IMHO, the answer is no.
He was a good driver at Stewart Ford, but was never a contender because his team/car wasnt up to scratch.

I think the fact is, in F1 to have a chance you have to be in the top 3 teams (Williams, McLaren, Ferrari). Being a good driver will just decide whereabouts amongst the top teams u'll finish ;)

Cheers
sKIp_E

Yes that is true, but if u were to put either, Trulli, shumey, fisi, barra, or DC against either Yoong, Webber, Sato, or Massa, who would win, if they were both in the exact same cars???

Originally posted by Lui
Yes that is true, but if u were to put either, Trulli, shumey, fisi, barra, or DC against either Yoong, Webber, Sato, or Massa, who would win, if they were both in the exact same cars???

Well, of course Schumacher would win against any of that lot.

But really its hard to say where Webber would end up. IF you give him another year in F1, just to get fully used to the sport, Im sure he'd stack up against some of those guys if he was in an equal car.

But as I said, who the Driver is still makes SOME difference, just anywhere near as much as team.

Of course when I said 90% it probably was a slight hyperbolé, but team makes MUCH, MUCH more difference than driver.

The top bracket of drivers in the world race F1, and so their is never going to be huge gaps between them. But the difference between a Ferrari and a Minardi car is just monsterous.

Put Rubens in a Minardi, and see how many points he takes.

I bet that Rubens wouldnt take many (any??) more points than Webber did this year. Whilst Webber in a Ferrari would more than likely finish top 6 (4?) for the season. He may not finish as high as Rubens did, but at the top end of the field, their isnt that much difference between a Williams car and a Ferrari car, and so being a slighty worse driver than Rubens could take him down a little there.

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
Well, of course Schumacher would win against any of that lot.

But really its hard to say where Webber would end up. IF you give him another year in F1, just to get fully used to the sport, Im sure he'd stack up against some of those guys if he was in an equal car.

But as I said, who the Driver is still makes SOME difference, just anywhere near as much as team.

Of course when I said 90% it probably was a slight hyperbolé, but team makes MUCH, MUCH more difference than driver.

The top bracket of drivers in the world race F1, and so their is never going to be huge gaps between them. But the difference between a Ferrari and a Minardi car is just monsterous.

Put Rubens in a Minardi, and see how many points he takes.

I bet that Rubens wouldnt take many (any??) more points than Webber did this year. Whilst Webber in a Ferrari would more than likely finish top 6 (4?) for the season. He may not finish as high as Rubens did, but at the top end of the field, their isnt that much difference between a Williams car and a Ferrari car, and so being a slighty worse driver than Rubens could take him down a little there.

Cheers
sKIp_E

slightly worse driver.??? that is a major hyperbole. Your saying that the only person really that is as good as michael, is slightly better than webber.???

You must remember how webber got his points this year. It was more slow and steady wins the race. kinda like bradby, where everyone crashes.

I'll give him some credit at being a good driver, but i dont think he has what it takes to be a champion, unfortunately.

Originally posted by Lui
slightly worse driver.??? that is a major hyperbole. Your saying that the only person really that is as good as michael, is slightly better than webber.???

You must remember how webber got his points this year. It was more slow and steady wins the race. kinda like bradby, where everyone crashes.

I'll give him some credit at being a good driver, but i dont think he has what it takes to be a champion, unfortunately.

I never said he'd be a champion ;)..

But really, I still think Webber isnt that far behind the best drivers, as I said, anyone that can work their way to F1 is a decent driver.

I also dont think that even Barricheloo compares to Michael. He is in a Ferrari, but other than that, I think that either of the Williams boys are just as good drivers.

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
I never said he'd be a champion ;)..

But really, I still think Webber isnt that far behind the best drivers, as I said, anyone that can work their way to F1 is a decent driver.

I also dont think that even Barricheloo compares to Michael. He is in a Ferrari, but other than that, I think that either of the Williams boys are just as good drivers.

Cheers
sKIp_E

I disagree there. Rubens has had a lot of proving to do, which has set him back in Formula 1. First it was always being compared to senna and being portrayed as sh!t because he couldn't win a race in a crap steward ford. In the Scuderia, he still has had a lot to prove, with much critisism over whether he was the homer simpson of F1, capable of winning a race but unable to, coz of team orders.

Over his career, he has been known as the rain master, along with shumey, this was also before his partnership with ferrari, because of his qualifying abilities.

The williams boys are all bluff no huff. They have a fast and competitive car, they just dont know how to use it. If they spent more time racing and practicing and less time whinging and moaning, they might be able to get somewhere. they have what it takes to qualify, but not to race.

Barrichello has shown that he is as good as michael. Who knows, if the first six races would have been different this year, he might have won the championship. Remember Sillverstone, 21 to 2nd, how many can do that ? ? ? certainly not monty, and he's shown that. Remember, he started the season with the old car, which had problems each race.

Villeneuve and Raikkonen.

"Over his career, he has been known as the rain master"

This is true. I know for a fact, that at Donnington in 93, the telemetry showed that the only driver in the area of throttle control (remember the wet conditions) that could hold a candle to Senna was Barrichello.

I think that while Barrichello has done well to push Schumacher on the track, alot of his contribution to Ferrari can be measured outside the track. I believe Schumacher trusts Barrichello a hell of alot more than he ever did Irvine in assuming the testing resposnibilities. Schumacher, when he took up the challenge of guiding Ferrari to a championship put alot of pressure on himself to become the "tifosi hero". The saviour, so to speak, of Ferrari. He wanted to be remembered when he was long gone as the man who guided Ferrari back to prominence. As such, he relied on his wonderfull skills of 'reading' a car and parts development in testing and such to build up the team. However in doing this, he refused to allow anyone to assume some of the responsibility. With Irvine as his teammate, a driver who is irresponsible, lazy, and largely unskilled (he was nearly kicked out of Jaguar, when he was supposed to be the "team leader") there was no way Schumacher, even for a second, was going to give himself breathing space and let Irvine do any of the work.

This large work load, and the pressure Schumacher put upon himself, I believe, really did a number on him. You can see it at Jerez 97. He felt so much pressure to become Ferrari's saviou, and he had done so much work (on his own) to build up the team, that the idea of failing was impossible. Thus he would rather cheat than lose, and it back fired.

However, when Barrichello came into Ferrari, he now had someone who was responsible, and knew the car, much like he did. Barrichello and Schumacher could now share the resonsibilities, and bounce ideas and interpetations of testing experience off of eachother. It was now a true team, not just Schumacher doing the work.

This meant that there was not such a heavy work load on Schumacher, and I believe you can see this in Schumacher's attitude. After 2000, his persona went from the cold, robotic, evil Schumacher, to a much warmer, and looser Schumacher. I believe this is due to the stress that was alleviated off of him due to having someone dependable like Barrichello by his side.

Originally posted by JayWay
"Over his career, he has been known as the rain master"

This is true. I know for a fact, that at Donnington in 93, the telemetry showed that the only driver in the area of throttle control (remember the wet conditions) that could hold a candle to Senna was Barrichello.

I think that while Barrichello has done well to push Schumacher on the track, alot of his contribution to Ferrari can be measured outside the track. I believe Schumacher trusts Barrichello a hell of alot more than he ever did Irvine in assuming the testing resposnibilities. Schumacher, when he took up the challenge of guiding Ferrari to a championship put alot of pressure on himself to become the "tifosi hero". The saviour, so to speak, of Ferrari. He wanted to be remembered when he was long gone as the man who guided Ferrari back to prominence. As such, he relied on his wonderfull skills of 'reading' a car and parts development in testing and such to build up the team. However in doing this, he refused to allow anyone to assume some of the responsibility. With Irvine as his teammate, a driver who is irresponsible, lazy, and largely unskilled (he was nearly kicked out of Jaguar, when he was supposed to be the "team leader") there was no way Schumacher, even for a second, was going to give himself breathing space and let Irvine do any of the work.

This large work load, and the pressure Schumacher put upon himself, I believe, really did a number on him. You can see it at Jerez 97. He felt so much pressure to become Ferrari's saviou, and he had done so much work (on his own) to build up the team, that the idea of failing was impossible. Thus he would rather cheat than lose, and it back fired.

However, when Barrichello came into Ferrari, he now had someone who was responsible, and knew the car, much like he did. Barrichello and Schumacher could now share the resonsibilities, and bounce ideas and interpetations of testing experience off of eachother. It was now a true team, not just Schumacher doing the work.

This meant that there was not such a heavy work load on Schumacher, and I believe you can see this in Schumacher's attitude. After 2000, his persona went from the cold, robotic, evil Schumacher, to a much warmer, and looser Schumacher. I believe this is due to the stress that was alleviated off of him due to having someone dependable like Barrichello by his side.

id like to say welcome to the board. i agree with much of what you have said here, and it is good to see more passionate f1 fans out there. i look forward to communicating with u in the future on sg, and enjoy ur stay and i hope u become a regular.