I HEARD THAT DEL PIERO IS LINKED WITH A 36 MILLION POUND BID TO THE NOU CAMP AND THAT JUVENTUS MIGHT CONSIDER SELLING HIM.

where did you hear that

Barca has Alphonso, Dani and Kluivert (possibly Saviola). Rivaldo, Overmars, Cocu, Litmanen, Gerard, Petit, Guardiola ... etc. The entire team concept is the creation and SCORING of goals. Why the hell will we pay 36 million quid for a loser misfit who cannot score goals?? No way. If anyone, BArca will sign Saviola. Otherwise ..... forget it. Del Piero can stay in Italy.

[This message has been edited by Woody_007 (edited 08-16-2000).]

Barca has Alphonso, Dani and Kluivert (possibly Saviola). Rivaldo, Overmars, Cocu, Litmanen, Gerard, Petit, Guardiola ... etc. The entire team concept is the creation and SCORING of goals. Why the hell will we pay 36 million quid for a loser misfit who cannot score goals?? No way. If anyone, Barca will sign Saviola. Otherwise ..... forget it. Del Piero can stay in Italy.

[This message has been edited by Woody_007 (edited 08-16-2000).]

Damn ..... I hate it when that happens.

Im a Juve fan ,and i beleive that would be great for Juventus to get rid of this overpaid oaf who is scared to score .I hope he does leave .At least the duo Trezeguet-Inzaghi can score a few .

why not loan him to a minor team so he can try and score. If he fails then sell him.

Paolo_Rossi:

these kinds of messages piss me off. IS IT DEL PIERO'S FAULT THAT HE IS OVERPAID???
Is it his fault that he is one of the only soccer players that gets that kind of salary??? NO, it is Juve's fault, not Del Piero's fault. What did Del Piero do? Let's say nothing. Ok, that he should play in Serie C. But, is it his fault that he plays in Juventus? No, it is Juventus's fault that Alessandro plays in Juve.

Man, if he sucks, than he should play in lower leagues. But do not call him "oaf", or other names, because it is not his will that he plays in Juve.

OK, THAT'S IT!

I'VE HEARD THE SAME **** ABOUT DEL PIERO SINCE THE FINAL AND JUST IGNORED IT. WELL **** THAT!

DEL PIERO IS ONE OF THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD, HE MISSES TWO SHOTS, GRANTED THEY COULD HAVE BEATEN FRANCE, BUT EVERYONE EVEN THE "LOYAL" ITALIAN FANS TURN ON HIM.

TWO SHOTS! IF EVERYONE WHO MISSED TWO SHOTS WAS CRITICIZED THIS BADLY THERE WOULD BE NO ONE LEFT TO PLAY FOOTBALL. EVERYONE HAS AN OFF DAY, LIVE WITH IT.

DEL PIERO'S GREATNESS COMES FROM THE ABILITY TO SET UP GOALS, NOT ALWAYS SCORE THEM, THE BEST PLAYERS IN THE WORLD EVER LIKE MARADONA, PLATINI, AND THE GREAT PELE, HAVE BEEN GREAT BECAUSE THEY HAD VISION, NOT JUST A SHOT, AND I WILL TAKE DEL PIERO AND HIS VISION OVER ALMOST ANYONE.

SO JUST SHUT IT! AND DON'T CRITICIZE SOMEONE WHO HAS ACCOMPLISHED MORE IN HIS SHORT CAREER THAN MANY, MANY PLAYERS. I DON'T CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE I OFFEND WITH THIS POST, BECAUSE EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I AM RIGHT.

hehe
ive always thought DelPiero is over-rated, i still do.
Comparing his vision with Pele ROFL http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

VISION! obviously u like him and there's nothing wrong with that...
what vision let me tell u he was one of the most players to fall in the offside in the tournament(don't remeber stats) and what great goals did he set up other than a corner to di biagio?
ALL he is an O.K. player with good shooting(Free kicks..) and SPEED!
once he lost the speed he's been doing nothing

looks like Nimreitz is the only one with any sense on this forum.....he is the only one to have brought up the fact that Del Piero, while not scoring as many goals, sets up a hell of a lot..........now with trappatoni in charge of italy, we might finally get to see Del Piero and Totti play at the same time (cause Zoff never let them play together)
forza del piero, forza juve, piss off barca (before u piss off, give us rivaldo http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif)

If you guys are right about Del piero setting up thing ,then why dont they ****n put him in midfield .He cant score .You say that Del piero had a bad day against France,I think every game is a bad game for Del Piero ,Del Piero had 2 big chances ,2 not 1 ,and he missed both ,imagine what would a certain Vieri would of done .

you guys seem to forget that ever since he came back injury he has not been his best .Give the guy achance and stop crtiscising him.besides a change of enviroment might get him back to form .For Barcelona a striker like del piero will definetly be of intrest.

I think any striker that does not score a goal in 500+ days does not deserve to play on a top team. I understand he was injured, and that could have depleted his abilities that he had before, but that doesn't mean that he should not be able to score anymore. He can set up as many goals as he likes, but in that case he should move back to midfield and allow another talented striker to take his place. I can't wait until Vieri gets back on the national team, I'd love to see him play soon.

TeKNoS

Yes, I agree that Del Piero should play in the midfield, that is a given, once again the CM researchers are smarter than people who are making a lot of money in the sport. First they have him as an attacking midfielder, and they also knew that Edu didn't have portuguese citizenship.

Anyways, the thing is that you have no idea if Vieri would have made those shots, how many times do you see great players miss easy shots, pretty frequently. The best players actually miss many more than they make, the true great finishers had no one feeding them beautiful passes, or if they did they didn't miss, Pele is probably one of the only men who can fit into this category in my opinion. Vieri is a goal scorer, but he was not in the game, and he very well could have missed those shots too, plus no one has really given Barthez too much credit, he did great in the game. There are only a handful of players who I would say would have made those no problem. A healthy Ronaldo, some historical greats, and of course me, too bad I'm not Italian, or good enough overall, or over the age of 17.

All I ask is if you respect the man, don't turn on him the next day because he couldn't do what anyone else didn't do, if Italy wanted the game it was there, France wanted it, and they won it. And watch, if Del Piero sucks this year I'll eat my words, but mark my words, HE IS GOOD.

Nimreitz ...... you actually have the audacity to compare that over-hyped loser to the greatest player in the world??? Pele scored over ONE THOUSAND GOALS! .... Del Piero went 550+ days without scoring. Even Lillian Thuram scored more goals for France in WC 98 than Del Piero did for Italy. And do not give me this BS about his setting up goals makes him valuable. He is a STRIKER. When he plays, he plays up front. He cannot score, or create magic when his team desperately needs inspiration. He is not a leader. Pele scored at will. When Brasil needed a goal, or some moment of inspiration, there was Pele. Six players around him, yet the ball ends up in the net, or on the foot of an open teammate. What Del Piero does with the ball, Pele coes with his oranges. Great players can score AND create. Pele did BOTH. Maradona did BOTH. Cryuff did BOTH. Del Piero does ****E. Damn .... Pele even played goal for twenty minutes, after scoring a hat-trick. (1964) For 96,000 quid a week, his candy @$$ should be setting up at least one goal a game. Whether it is his fault or not for that lofty contract, he should produce. When a team entrusts you with that contract, it comes with expectations and responsibilty. Did you see how Cryuff, Pele and Maradona dominated games?? Did you see how they forced defences to respect EVERY aspect of their game??? If those guys are up front, both of those chances go in, blindfolded. It is true that players miss shots. I cannot tell you how many times I have had times when it seemed like I will never score. (I am not comparing myself to these guys, or calling myself a great player) but when my team needed me, when they needed some kind spark. I was there. Whether I was the captain or not. I dug down and found something extra. That is Del Piero's role. To be that spark that lights the fuse. And he failed. For someone with so much hype and so-called talent, he let his team down TWICE. Pele never did that. Cryuff never did that. Maradona never did that. They all came thorugh whenever they were needed, and sometimes just for fun. Pele had a two World Cups by the time he was 21 ..... TWO. How much does Del Piero have??? Maradona had one. How much does Del Piero have? Cryuff ... that poor man, had the unfortunate luck (or curse) of making two WC finals in succession, only to lose to the hosts. He lead Holland there with his insiration, Del Piero did not do that in WC 98 and in EURO 2K, was dropped from the starting lineup. So please .... do not ever compare Del Piero to those greats. He may ahve accomplished more that many other players (wait .... what exactly has he accomplished??), but Pele is a football God, Maradona and Cryuff immortals. In world of wannabes, they were the real things. No one will ever come close to what they did for football, most certainly not Del Piero. So, please, keep these laughable comments to yourself. Had you said this in front of my teammates, you would have been laughed out the room.

p.s. - Sorry for the long post, statements like that annoy me. Here is something to make it all worthwile:

http://www.isfa.com/server/web/pele/english/index_text.html

A wonderfull website


[This message has been edited by Woody_007 (edited 08-17-2000).]

Ok, ok, ok. Let's say he sucks a$$. But do not critisize him. Critisize the manager that puts him in first 11.


Again, let's say Manu bought a player from conference and began to pay him about 100,000 pounds per week. Well, that conference player obviously sucks, but is it his fault that he is in Manu? No. It's Manu's fault that he is in Manu.


Almost the same here -- if you say that Del Piero is the player of Serie C2 calibre, than so be it. But it isn't his fault that he cannot play for Serie A level, right?

It seemed that Del Piero had a bright futur after scoring 20 something goals ,but then came an injury during world cup 98 .Everything changed ,he became **** .You say that Vieri could of probably missed those shots ,well your wrong cause Vieri is one of the best finisher in the world maybe even the best ,but because of that jerk Lippi ,Vieri couldnt participate in euro2000 .Why do I blame Lippi .Cause he always puts a unfit player on even if he isnt a 100 percent and thats why both Ronaldo and Vieri are injured .

look, before his injury, i watched del piero quite a lot and he is a good player ok. he's very good at ball control and dribbling. but after his injury, he's not really catching up and everyone is mad at him. i say loan him to a lower team and let him get his form back.

i agree with nimreitz. good strikers always miss goal opportunities. do you know how many chances kluivert missed in world cup 98? or hakan sukur? but the mark of a good striker is the ability to score goals when they need him to, which usually wins the match. i think that's what del piero is lacking right now and he just needs to get his form back.

1- he doesn't score NO PROBLEM.DOES HE SET UP ANYTHING. wc98,euro 200?
2-RECOVEERING FOR 2 years?

the story is:
-he as an overall O.K. player with great speed!
lost the speed with injury-->

u get and O.K. player!

p.s. i don't judge players to be world class unless they prove themselves in a major tournament!

Actually I also don't buy the fact that it has taken him 2 years to recover form an injury, that is ubsurd. Nice quote of Platini there only he was bashing Zidane not Del Piero. Anyways, the man is good, his moral for one reason or another is bad, and a loan to the C2B is NOT the answer. Getting loaned to a **** club won't do anything, it may hurt him. You are already with low moral and you get loaned 4 leagues down, no one will accept that, not any world class player, especially if they aren't recovering from an injury. He will never be a god, and I agree, but also in 25 years we won't be told the legend of Vieri, I don't think so. How many clubs can this guy play for? 10 clubs in 10 years I think, geez.

But I believe that my main point with this post was to say that why do people love the man one second, and then when the final whistle blows he is stoned by italians. Give the guy respect, HE IS GOOD, no one in this forum can deny that legitamately. He has been off form for 2 years, but next year he WILL be good, and Juve can win the Scudetto this year, behind Del Piero.

Oh and I think Maradona was the best ever, not even pele can touch him.

And when Pele played Golkeeper he made 2 unbelievable saves that save the win for Santos.

spot on Woody http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

u must really be attached to Del piero
i rekon he is an average attacking midfielder who scores penatlies...and loves to fall to the ground at the slightest touch - farkin ugly stuff in my book.

Oh and Nimreitz
Pele is untouchable Maradona is prolly the closest answer to Pele.
However , looking at a Ronaldo tape , wehn he was at Barce and 1st season at Inter FC - he was also on another planet - untouchable stuff http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

I still dont understand why Del Piero is still with the national team cause he is the only player who hurts our chances to score .You say he is a playmaker ,but dont we have Totti for that and is it Totti who fed those beautiful passes to Del Piero wich he missed ?Anyways,Agnelli made it clear ,if he doesnt perform like he is supposed to ,he will leave and i doubt any club would sign him for the amount of his salary .

And I quote:

"Oh and I think Maradona was the best ever, not even pele can touch him."

1. Please ..... capitalize Pele's name. Have some respect.

2. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

3. Maradona is, no, rather was, a great player. But other than that ..... what else?? Look at Pele now, when he talks people listen. When Maradona talks, people laugh.

4. Did Maradona win his first World Cup at the age of 17?? Is Maradona is the ONLY player to win three World Cups?? To score over one thousand goals?? To be given the nickname "King" by the world, not just Brasil. Pele is remembered to be the best of all time. In 1954, winning the World Cup as a seventeen year old, is only part of Pele's accomplishments, his legacy. Maradona is remembered, not for the goals, for the accomplishments with Boca, Napoli or his "Revenge of 1979", but for the dubios "Hand of God." Not exactly how a great player should be remembered. The World was Pele's stage. For Maradona, the success he had on the field always came hand in hand with disappointment. Never for Pele. No drugs, no alcohol, all talent. For that, Pele is, in class, in talent, in life, The King.

Alright I won't argue with you about Pele and Maradona, since no one will agree with me. Maradona I would say before point 5 was that without the drug problems he would be remembered as just as great a player by many. Pele scored and most soccer, sorry, football fans will always believe that he who scores the most is the best, and all I can say to that is...HA. Look, a central midfielder like Maradona was the best player ever. Pele could do it all up top, and I respect that, play back, go forward, dribble, shoot, but so could maradona and he got back on defence to help out there. When you watch even the crappiest forwards now they are playing defence, and if I'm mistaken then forgive me, and correct me kindly, but Pele didn't get back on defence save for the game he played keeper.

I go for defence along with, maybe more than attacking, and I respect a man like Nesta or Cannavaro more than Vieri or Kluivert. If you have a defence then there is no reason for offence, simply put.

Don't mistake what I'm saying, I won't start preaching the great Franz Beckenbauer over Pele, Pele in the rating of players if Maradona is a 100, Pele is a 99.99999999999, I'll stop there. That's my point of view.....now tell me why I'm wrong.