Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

what do oyu mean by the pace is to fast?
Is passing, or crossing, or dribbling etc to fast?

Personally i thought the pace in WE6 was fine by me.

Crossing and some moves ( such as when you turn you player ) was way to fast, not realistic, and i hope they have impoved theese things ,but overall the pace was realistic IMO.

The pace of the game has alot to to with the tacticts used the teams also.

One example of a team i hate playing against is Norway.
Cuse first of all their pressure on the ballholder is pain in the ass, you always have 2 players on your tale and its quite impossible to controll the pace of the game in a good way.

Second of all the way they play, the almost always pass the ball forvad, (often longballs) wich makes the game verey tigth intense and chaotic.

IMO KCET needs to work on this.
No team can hold such pressure on the ballholder for 90 minutes, and at the same time it opens up way to much space sometimes.

Same thing if you meet a team that play high defence premier league style, hardly any space in the midfield and huge space between behind the backfour, adn always extreme pressure on the ballholder.

Originally posted by capitanpato
Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

Sounds good to me. How did it differ from the PES2 demo? Where did you play it?

Originally posted by capitanpato
Ok I have played PES Final.

The game is very good. It is better than WE6. It has the gameplay features of JLWE6, the swerve on the passes, etc.

There is only one thing I don't get. Why is the game so damm fast?, Is it because of the PAL 2 NTSC conversion?

I have only played a couple of games though, but the pace is too fast for my taste. Was this the same case in PES?

Yeah how did u get it..... and please send me a PM or an email.

Well I haven't played the demo so I wouldn't know how it compares to it.

The whole game seems too fast. Running, passing, kicking, everything. More like an arcade game sorta.

Again, I don't know if it is because I had to apply the NTSC patch. The best speed IMO is on JLWE6, WE6's speed is not bad either, but PES2 is just too fast.

just change the setting for game speed !? to low or whatever !"

can you change the game speed? :)
exellent!

u cant change the gamespeed.

WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

Originally posted by arthur
WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

Yeah, the gamespeed slider would be perfect. However, what is fast about WE6 gameplay? I mean, I think the speed of the game is perfectly fine, if not a tad bit on the slow side because of stuck players or players running on rails. In terms of speed, I don't like the way that we are constantly pressed by the AI, like when my defenders have the ball on top of my own box, you know, just bringing it out, what's up with the forwards pressing the life out of them. The line for pressing is way too high up the field. Hence, making me think helta skelter thruout the game.

Originally posted by the_man
Yeah, the gamespeed slider would be perfect. However, what is fast about WE6 gameplay? I mean, I think the speed of the game is perfectly fine, if not a tad bit on the slow side because of stuck players or players running on rails. In terms of speed, I don't like the way that we are constantly pressed by the AI, like when my defenders have the ball on top of my own box, you know, just bringing it out, what's up with the forwards pressing the life out of them. The line for pressing is way too high up the field. Hence, making me think helta skelter thruout the game.

Exactly...no team can pressure as much as they do in WE6 for 90 minutes, its just physically impossible. Then as you say this gives very little time to play the ball out from the back.

I'm sure I've read that PES2 will be slightly slower than WE6.

Perth: Actually PES2 is way faster than We6. Again, I dunno if this is because I had to patch it with a PAL 2 NTSC, but if it doesn't, then this is a big disappointment.

Guess I'll just wait for WE6 Final Evolution

Originally posted by capitanpato
Perth: Actually PES2 is way faster than We6. Again, I dunno if this is because I had to patch it with a PAL 2 NTSC, but if it doesn't, then this is a big disappointment.

Guess I'll just wait for WE6 Final Evolution

Wasn't doubting your judgement :)
Just alot of previews have stated that PES2 will be marginally slower than WE6, but they are previews so who knows. I've heard that NTSC 2 PAl conversions slows the game down so hopefully its the patching thats the problem.

Yer I don't know whether I should get PES2 or WE6 FE...

Pal is 25 fram/sec ntsc is 30 fram/sec
PES2 is pal so its normaly faster if u convert it to ntsc

Originally posted by arthur
WE6 is way too fast to be realistic and I'm really disappointed to hear PES2 is not any slower. Try watching a game on WE6 then watch a real football match...there's a stark contrast in speed. WE6 is about 20% faster than real-life football.

You get used to the fast play but I'd much rather have a gamespeed slider back!!!

I dont know what version you have but the game is at perfect pace for me. the only thing that goes to fast is little stufs like crossing ( wich i hear been improved?) and some moves with the player.

About the pressing. Hmm sure it can be alittle bit annoying but high pressing is part of football today. I would just like a little bit less arggresive forvads from the opponents but thats it ,really.

If they reduced the pressing to much, would the cpu even be able to get the ball?
Even playing at extreme i can get ball possesion of over 75 % sometimes, and be ablde to hold on to the ball for minutes and i dont enjoy that at all.

My comment was that the game is much faster than real life. I find that if I watch a real game of footy on TV, then turn on WE6, WE6 looks like it's on fast forward. That's not a comment on the playability, its a comment on how realistic the pace is.

KCET have paced the WE6 at a speed which is probably equivalent to the fastest setting on the old ISS PE2 speed slider. I always preferred to play with the slider at half or slight below half speed. I'm just disappointed that they took that great option away.

Originally posted by arthur
My comment was that the game is much faster than real life. I find that if I watch a real game of footy on TV, then turn on WE6, WE6 looks like it's on fast forward. That's not a comment on the playability, its a comment on how realistic the pace is.

KCET have paced the WE6 at a speed which is probably equivalent to the fastest setting on the old ISS PE2 speed slider. I always preferred to play with the slider at half or slight below half speed. I'm just disappointed that they took that great option away.

Which view to you use>? I find that on the default view (middle) the game tends to seem a lot faster, but on the wide view it looks allright. I remember back on PS1 I used to alo play on the slower speed, a little below half. But what if you wanna play a mate and he always plays fastest, but you play below half? that could be tricky, they have to decide the pace and stick with it, a realistic one. I find we6 pace good, depends on the teams you're using also.

My initial impressions of the gameplay:
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speed-Definatly faster than WE6(running on a pal machine)
Shooting-Seems a lot easier to do a powerfull shot without blazing it over the bar
Passing-ground passes have after touch on them and feel quite acurate. Lobbed passes seem slower than previous games, but seem pretty effective. They seem to float more. Crosses seem to have more pace on them though. The through ball also seems to have a bit more pace on, although htis could of just been me using it effectively.
Tackling-The standing tackle doesn't feel as accurate as before, which i think is a good thing. Players seem able to keep possession more even if you attemp a standing tackle on them, Players seem to fight each other for the ball more too without the whistle blowing every 2 seconds. Sliding tackle doesn't appear to have changed.
Headers-Headers from goal kicks etc. Seem easier to control and direct, although the ball flys off at 100mph sometimes. Headed shots on goal seem more difficult though.
Freekicks-Close range freekicks seem harder to keep low than before, and seem to move at quite a pace even when pressing down on pad at same time. Further distance kicks seem pretty much the same as before.
Dribbling-This seems much improved, It seem a lot easier to take people on, and feels very responsive to the anologue stick, giving some excellent close control.
Sound- Not very impressed by the sound so far, doesn't sound as good as WE6 and you can hear the crowd samples looping(although i've only tried a few teams out so far)THe pitch sounds are fine though(Including the lovely twang when you smack one against the bar)
Commentary-Definatly an improvement from PES, but doesn't seem to have the enthusiasm of WE6(even though i couldn't understand it)Already found it repeating alot and there are some very strange expressions in there, for instance straight from kick off i made a break down the right wing with Beckham and swung a cross in and the Mr Brackley said" thats a similar ball"Uh? similar to what?The one you played with last week:crazyboy:
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O.K thats my first impressions of the game. Ive played about 20 matches on it now and am starting to get used to the feel of it. I've gone from thinking "hmmm not sure i like this" to "Yeh I love this game" Its the same story with all the previous games really, the more you play the more you get from it. I think the biggest test of this game will be to playit for a week solid, then go back to WE6 or PES and then you will realise how much of an improvement it is.

Well I guess the game IS faster than WE6 according to Mr. C

Your "impressions" are right on. Seems to me like it is the same as JLWE6 but on "turbo mode" for some reason.

People who have played JLWE6 will notice how much better the speed on that game is compared to PES2. To me, it makes all the difference in the world, not only does it make the game look more realistic, it gives you time to build up play, to look around the pitch and find the open man.

Too bad. Don't get me wrong, it is still an excellent game

I've been reading a lot about the PES2 demo. Apparently the game doesn't play like we6(wich i own:o); seems like we6 is better...

Anyway, i'm sure that the game just feels different and in no time we will all be playing PES2 and saying that we can't go back to we6. There is something that bothers me big time:

-ball physics: it seems that every ISS/PES games have a lighter ball than the WEx games:kader: . What i'd like to know is this: does the ball looks like an helium balloon like in PES, or is it still possible to score from 30m out like in we6, without having to blast a rocket of a shot into the top corner?

Originally posted by capitanpato
Perth: Actually PES2 is way faster than We6. Again, I dunno if this is because I had to patch it with a PAL 2 NTSC, but if it doesn't, then this is a big disappointment.

Guess I'll just wait for WE6 Final Evolution

I played it too but in PAL, and at least here the gamespeed is quite the same as in WE6 (allthough i think the passing feels a bit slower).

So it feels definitely faster than PES1 but not faster than WE6

I have heard that they speed up the PES series to keep up with the speed of English football.

Not sure if this is true or not.

I think it has to be slightly faster then a real game because it is a computer game! Fair enough it is a simulation (and a pretty good one at that), but you still need some pace and action to it.

I think its good being fast! The people with the quicker reflexs are better at the game. Which is true about most computer games!?!? Although I haven't played it yet, I will let you know tonight!

Just my opinion and I can see why some people would prefer it slower.

Originally posted by uti73
I played it too but in PAL, and at least here the gamespeed is quite the same as in WE6 (allthough i think the passing feels a bit slower).

So it feels definitely faster than PES1 but not faster than WE6

I have to disagree there, I feel the game is faster than WE6 and i'm playing it on PAL. As far as the passing goes, yes they do feel slower but you also seem to have more control over them, as well as being able to put after touch on them. Like I said in my previous post, the real test will be to go back to WE6 after a couple of weeks and then you'll notice the differences more obviously.

The final game will be definatley be faster than WE6 but the one currently floating about is not the final. It is a BETA

Originally posted by stuie2k
The final game will be definatley be faster than WE6 but the one currently floating about is not the final. It is a BETA

Are you sure its a Beta?

Well gameplay im not so sure about as it has been poished up form WE6 For example

volleys seem to be improved-like when there is a loose ball
shooting has been tweaked
takling has been tweaked
headers have aswell
Commentry is **** though and regulary gets things wrong and sometimes the commentators talk over one another about diffenet things
The main thing that stands out though are not just the players names but club names aswell. Liverpool is Europort ,Real Madrid is something else aswell and so are many other teams.
I know they dont have some player liceneces but they had all correct club names in PES 1.
Yes I smell a BETA

If thats your only evidence then I reckon it is the final version! Afraid to say!

I had a look at it at lunchtime and I reckon that is the final build.

I think they have had problems with the names. I am pretty sure Holland is going to stay as Orange 1, Orange 2 etc.

Sorry but thats just my gut feeling!

We will see next week hey

The Holland names are a poor excuse to say that this is not a final build. Even FIFA with all their licensing prowess has the problem with the Dutch national team. And, can't we change these names already? How difficult is that?:rolleyes:

I'm pretty much sure that this is a beta for numerous reasons being

*There are no advertisments at the beginning for Umbro, there are still Adidas ones though
*Players still walk through the advertisment boards
*Squads are out of date
*Features that were said to be included weren't there such as the 10 custom teams and the ability to transfer players in the edit mode which featured in J-League
*Gameplay isn't as good as J-League :|

I pray to God this is a beta

Do you guys have the full game or something OR are we talking about the demo?People are talking about not seeing the jleague transfer option and seeing adidas ad boards.What are you talking about?

They're talking about (cough) "semi-legally obtained" copies of PES which we can allude to here, but not discuss in detail. Cos it's against da law.

So it IS a beta then!(I haven't played it......too law-abiding, and not well-connected enough, grrr). Out of date squads and Adidas ads are the giveaway...Konami have said quite explicitly that the squads in the final PES2 will be up-to-date as of the recent transfer window, and we know the European version is sponsored by Umbro (the demo has Umbro branding, an Umbro ball etc., so if your PES2 doesn't have these, it ain't the final).

Sounds like this is just a conversion of one of the WE6s, which hasn't been polished yet. Thing is, the Umbro stuff and the squad rosters would be the last things they'd do, so it's possible that this is the final game, just with unfinished data... rest assured, the final PES2 WILL have up-to-date squads... PES was up-to-date to 3 weeks previous to release, and this year they have the transfer window system, so there's no excuse not to make it completely accurate.

The question is, does this mean that in the final PES you CAN transfer players between club sides with the edit mode? And will there be 10 custom teams in the final version? Cos if there will, that means I can fulfill my dream of creating the European leagues on different memory cards. And if there won't, that means a lot of people who get PES2 at Christmas are gonna be pretty pissed off when the next transfer window opens, everyone moves clubs, and suddenly the game is completely out of date.

Pere Ubu, I agree totally...

Well, my game has the Umbro ball, and the exact Umbro kits, England, Chile and Republic of Ireland I think.

One thing I did notice is that Ronaldo does not have the haircut he used in the World Cup, and there were some screenshots from PES2 in the past were they showed him with that haircut.

Maybe this points to the game being FINAL, since Ronaldo is not using that hairstyle anymore. The hasirtyle IS available in the edit mode, so maybe Konami had Ronaldo with that haircut, but after he changed it, they removed it.

Just speculation I'm afraid

I take everything back I have said!

After playing a couple of games tonight I really do hope this is a beta! If not it is a terrible conversion!

Its jerky, you can blast the ball really easily, the commentry is all messed up (this isn't the first time on a PES game though!). Its just generally pretty poor. J league is far superior.

But as you say, hopefully this is a beta.

And just to let everyone know... I will buy the finished copy when it is in the shops next week! Hopefully with everything ironed out and running sweetly!

If not it looks like the wait till WE6 Final Evolution comes out in December hey!

Can you add players to the Clubs register... ???
Can you edit Players in the Clubs... ???

Yes on both questions, Wolf88...

About the question if those "semi-legal obtained" copies are beta:
I think they are if they don't run smoothly, because of what Konami wrote me some days ago... "Winning eleven runs on the same engine as PES 2, but the difference is that all lags, flaws from WE6 are removed in PES 2.
So in fact PES 2 is a better version. I experienced myself that PES runs much better then the previous one; it runs smoother.
The players move more natural and the ball control etc. has improved. "

So, not jerky :)

So Han, are you absolutely SURE that in the final version of PES2

a. you can rename club teams, redo their kit, then replace all their players with edited players, effectively turning them into a new team - eg change Vasco Da Gama into Real Betis, or Willem II, or whoever, in every way

and b. there will be empty custom teams who can be made into whoever you like?

Cos I assumed that was true until recently, and it's a matter of great importance to me............

Originally posted by MisH*The*Manc
I pray to God this is a beta

Yeah man !!!

I really hope this i s a beta. I played it yesterday with a friend and agreed that this was not as good as we6. I'm not that conserned about the names and editing-mode, but the gameplay is much more like an arcade-style. It was way to easy to get to a 100% chance and it resulted in a lot of chances and a lot of goals. After 2 hours we went back to we6 and the good feeling!

Sarrus

Originally posted by Pere Ubu
So Han, are you absolutely SURE that in the final version of PES2

a. you can rename club teams, redo their kit, then replace all their players with edited players, effectively turning them into a new team - eg change Vasco Da Gama into Real Betis, or Willem II, or whoever, in every way

and b. there will be empty custom teams who can be made into whoever you like?

Cos I assumed that was true until recently, and it's a matter of great importance to me............

Answers on:
A: Yes
B: There is a limit on this; I read somewhere (in a review) that you can add 8 (I believe) new teams, but you can also edit everything about the existing teams.

All I wrote in my previous post I was told by mail by a Konami-Europe representative.
So yes you can be sure that's true.

As far as I knew, PES2 was going to be WE6 with all the enhancements of J league, but in English, with updated teams and a bit faster.

If the finished version is all of the above they are on to a massive winner. The copy that is flying around at the moment doesn't match all that criteria so lets hope the release version does.

Fingers crossed people!

I'm afraid that the finished version will have the same gameplay as the beta version. Then I don't think it will be a massive winner.

Sarrus

Originally posted by sarrus
I'm afraid that the finished version will have the same gameplay as the beta version. Then I don't think it will be a massive winner.

Sarrus
For what reason do you think so?

Because the gameplay is changed compared to PES and WE6, but they have not done the updates on players and teams. So I guess they have finished the gameplay in the beta and just will do the polishing on the finished release.
But I'm just guessing, so lets hope I'm totally wrong.

Sarrus

Guys lets just wait another week cause PES2 is released than ok ;) In the meantime just enjoy the game (we6 or pes2). Cause its always the best footie ;)

Elite, just phoned again to Media Markt today and now they say it will be out at 23 oktober :) :shades:

Originally posted by the_man
Yeah, the gamespeed slider would be perfect. However, what is fast about WE6 gameplay? I mean, I think the speed of the game is perfectly fine, if not a tad bit on the slow side because of stuck players or players running on rails. In terms of speed, I don't like the way that we are constantly pressed by the AI, like when my defenders have the ball on top of my own box, you know, just bringing it out, what's up with the forwards pressing the life out of them. The line for pressing is way too high up the field. Hence, making me think helta skelter thruout the game.

couldn't have said it better. to me the single most annoying thing about PES: the charging forwards. i mean, i would be ok when some teams would have those, like Ajax for example. but all of them have the same two pesky forwards constantly bugging your defenders. even old bags like shearer running up and down, up and down for 90 minutes flat. it sucks and is an absolute arcady and scripted aspect in an otherwise satisfying game...

as for the gamespeed: as i said elsewhere.. it depends a lot on your TV set. the more MhZ, the faster the action. it's amazing how much that makes a difference.

Originally posted by simakperrce
as for the gamespeed: as i said elsewhere.. it depends a lot on your TV set. the more MhZ, the faster the action. it's amazing how much that makes a difference.

Not this old chestnut again! How can the Hz speed of your TV affect the speed of the game. It might make the picture look a bit faster because its smoother but thats about all!

If your watching TV on a 100Hz screen do people talk quicker!?!?! Think not!

Patching A GAME from NTSC 60Hz to PAL 50Hz can have an affect because the game speed is changed. Its not actually anything to do with the TV.

Just trying to help you get your facts straight.