Post your thoughts here whether you think Australia should remain part of the Monarchy or become a republic.

REPUBLIC :rockman:

Look guys, again, u know i let nearly anything go here, but i just dont like political threads (i do follow politics, and am often involved in the threads at the non forum about them-just not here). Political and Religous threads start too many arguments. This thread will be moved to the non forum, continue it there, where i will join in ;)

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Why would anyone want to be part of someone elses Monarchy?

I'd go for the republic...

Of course my opinion means diddly Squat on this topic... but that is par for the course.

Johnny howard wares a dress:p seriously the queen can go **** herself - yeah ya ponsy englishmen ya heard me look we have been part of the monarchy for far too long we believe in the Queen when most people in england hate her go figure

its not ctually as easy as that to say see ya later queen here we come own government !The queen even though it doesnt always feel like it has been part of our history since the dawn of time in Oz (i dont wanna hear anyone say what about the aborigines you know what i mean) anyways ... i think we should stay a monarchy ... as the excellent PM (howard!) said If it aint broke dont fix it ... things in Oz are fine at the moment ... cept we take in to many middle eastern decent immigrants ... but thats another issue !

I think we should stay a monarchy:o Although I am relatively undecided if I had to choose either I would choose the Monarchy. I am not of British descent yet I believe being a constitutional monarchy is part of our national identity. It makes absoluetely no difference to law-making or official decisions, yet this country is part of England. Perhaps sometime in the future we should disband from the Britain, but not yet.

My reasoning: Although there is not direct racial segregation it is evident. Some people born in this country, feel close or seem close to the country of their parents origin, or further back in ancestry. Until an overwhelming majority of the country, is and feels Australian, we should seperate from England and become an Australian Republic, until then, we should not.

Originally posted by maddog1983
cept we take in to many middle eastern decent immigrants ... but thats another issue !

Are you kidding me? We should take in MORE immigrants. What the hell do you think this country was built on?

Why JUST Middle Eastern immigrants?

Originally posted by maddog1983
its not ctually as easy as that to say see ya later queen here we come own government !The queen even though it doesnt always feel like it has been part of our history since the dawn of time in Oz (i dont wanna hear anyone say what about the aborigines you know what i mean) anyways ... i think we should stay a monarchy ... as the excellent PM (howard!) said If it aint broke dont fix it ... things in Oz are fine at the moment ...

i agree .. its fine as it is, so leave it that way :)

I am completely split on this one.

1. I am in no way a fan of the monarchy. I hope that as soon as Australia and New Zealand 'mature' as countries, then we can abandon our ties with England once and for all. Both of us were economically abandoned by them in the late 60's/ early 70's when England began to focus on the relations with Europe. The current state of the monarchy is no more than a media obsession that takes up newspaper space and television time from the real issues. I am not sure I can see this happening too soon though because the simple fact is that the majority of immigrants to NZ (could someone please tell me if this is for Australia too?) actually come from England. Which just goes to show how ignorant those pri*ks are that go on and f*cking on about asian and middle eastern immigration.Alot of the time it is racist idiots from England that bring their prejudice and hate with them.

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2. The worry is that if Australia go the way of a Republic, NZ will inevitably follow. Now I don't want to see that happen just yet until the Crown has found full and final settlements for all the maori grievances over the Treaty of Waitangi, which is a document signed between the english and the maori (first peoples of New Zealand) in 1840. To cut a long story short, the british Crown signed an agreement with the Maori of Nz that recognised the maori sovereignty over the land, then promptly waged war and tried to wipe them out and effectively stole the land. the privy council provides the last bastion of support for the maori, a bastion that would be lost if NZ became a monarchy.

So until there is a full and final settlement between the parties, then I am willing to grin and bear the monarchy. When that settlement is reached, then I will gladly wield the scissors that cut the ties. And rename this country the Republic of Aotearoa, and get rid of that damn flag with the union jack.(6)

Originally posted by hermolt
Are you kidding me? We should take in MORE immigrants. What the hell do you think this country was built on?

Why JUST Middle Eastern immigrants?

middle eastern and asian immigrants are the ones causing many of societies problems ... i know this seems narrow minded but get a copy of the police stats for WA and then cry about my views to me ... i hate when people come to Oz and Complain about where they live.. hey if you dont like it go back to turkmenistan

Originally posted by maddog1983
middle eastern and asian immigrants are the ones causing many of societies problems ... i know this seems narrow minded but get a copy of the police stats for WA and then cry about my views to me ... i hate when people come to Oz and Complain about where they live.. hey if you dont like it go back to turkmenistan

Well people come here seeing people with those exact views who cannot get a job because they look different (Equal Opportunity my ass).

Case example - Western Sydney and Redfern. If you have ever been through Everleiyn (sp?) Street and survived I congratulate you (or if your an aboriginal then you have cheated :crazyboy: ).

Im sorry we as Australians are racist pricks as Maddog pointed out himself. I Know I was always on the high ground bashing people like Pauline Hanson etc. Until one day while working (i work in a supermarket - COLES) an Aboriginal came in and stole some goods - and I said "That Black c*nt" then I found out that im a racist - and I do know that at one time or another EVERYONE has been too.

I again mention the Nature vs Nurture debate - Nurture is in effect "your society, your environment" when someone from Greece come to Australia for a new life they are greated with "wog, spick, greace monkey etc." employers wont employ them, would you? they are different they smell etc etc. low and behold someone from Palastine comes to get away from the conflict - but the guy from Palastine and the Greek look exactly a like - that cant bee they most be related etc.

As Hermolt says we must take in more immigrants the problem doesnt come from them but US - thats right you, me and your parents and your work colleges and your school mates etc.

as racism breeds crime not the other way round. Also we are all immigrants and remember you could be related to a country you hate the most. My name is Murphy so I thought I was majority Irish (but its only my fathers, fathers side) im more Scotish, Russian, German and a few other countries mixed in as well

I do believe in a monarchy but as people have said we really are not controlled by Britian but if we were to become a republic then our ties with USA would be loosen as we are no longer easerily pushed into things like war. A republic (under intelligent and uncorrupt leadership) could makes us more neutral and less harmful from international attacks

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BTW did anyone hear that wanker Piers Ackermann last weekend he said that the reason BALI happened was because of Labor and the Greens because of their soft stance on the war on terror :rolleyes: man o man when will this guy learn

I haven’t read any of the above posts so I am not bias, I will read them after this post.

The republic issue is a particular interest of mine, and I am glad someone brought it up. Although it may seem like a simple yes or no, gain a president, lose a queen sort of thing, but it isn’t. There are both advantages and disadvantages of becoming a republic.

Firstly, In order to become a republic, we could have a referendum. As you know, this was attempted in 1999 and failed, as a majority of votes, in a majority of states is required in order for it to be achieved. No states reached a majority, with Victoria being the closest on about 49.~% of votes being yes.

Another way, in which Australia could become a republic, would require simultaneous, identical legislation, which would need to passed by all of the states (uniform legislation), the Commonwealth Parliament, and the British Parliament.

Reasons for becoming a republic:-

In becoming a republic, Australia would become seen as a truly independent nation. In addition, Australia would have a head of state that has clear set out powers, including those of which are in the constitution. In addition, the nations profile in the world would dramatically increase. Thirdly, the constitution, which is over 100 yrs old and could seen as outdated, and a successful republic would deliver a substantially new constitution.

Reasons for becoming not becoming a republic:-

In arguing against a republic, it is arguable that the Constitutional Monarchy has served us well over the past hundred or so years (if its not broken don’t fix it…) and provides “checks and balances” on successfully governing the nation. If we were to become a republic, what would happen to these “checks and balances” as a republic would create a new or considerably altered constitution? A republic also raises a question over the president. Would it be democratically elected or appointed by parliament? In addition, the cost would be enormous in going through this particularly large change.

I could also go into strengths and weaknesses of the constitution in deciding on other reasons to vote for a republic or not, but I wont as I don’t want to bore people with what I find fun, “politics”.

Me – I was traditionally a monarchist, but I am leaning in favour of Republican.

Subsequently, in becoming a republic we would not lose our alliance with Britain. Also, when the queen came to Australia, she recommended that Australia become a republic.

Haven't read this all, but I probably will eventually.
Just found it funny that like 2 days ago, on another forum I just joined (to do with my uni) someone started a thread "Canada a Republic?"


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sorry I have to.

New Zealand actually has its own 'royal family', a Maori monarchy with a queen and all. Maybe we should set off on the Americas cup yachts and conquer Britain and extract all their resources for a hundred years or so, after we have slaughtered as many of them as possible(6) haha then Bush could talk up New Zealand as the greatest threat to the free world :crazyboy:

I don't think Australia should become a republic. I feel that our ties back to the Monarchy give Australia a higher standing amongst many other nations simply due to the fact that we are apart of the commenweath.

I mean really not much would change, our goverment would be somewhat similar to the Russians, with a President (essentially our head of state, the Governor General) and a Prime Minister, and we would loose our Commonwealth status and ties with England.

That is something that I would not like to see.

We wouldn't lose Commonwealth ties - New Zealand hasn't, Zimbabwe (although it will) hasn't etc etc..

We left our ties with Britain well back in 1942 when John Curtin told Churchill where to stick his pipe when he wouldn't allow Aussie troops back to defend Singapore..we were traditionally part of the Commonwealth, Euro-centric bloc, but I think that in order for us to truly become a part of the Asian sphere we have to get rid of the PM and cut ties with England. They're largely symbolic anyway, plus I want St. Gough as a President..;)

EDIT: I forgot to mention, Enland left us out on our arse when it joined the EU and we were left without a trading bloc, just like with the US, we should examine the bad side of our relationship with our 'great protectors'.

Originally posted by Active_X
I don't think Australia should become a republic. I feel that our ties back to the Monarchy give Australia a higher standing amongst many other nations simply due to the fact that we are apart of the commenweath.

I mean really not much would change, our goverment would be somewhat similar to the Russians, with a President (essentially our head of state, the Governor General) and a Prime Minister, and we would loose our Commonwealth status and ties with England.

That is something that I would not like to see.

it is the same thing now as if we would be in a republic, the head of state in both instances for us is titular.

nup, leave it as it is ;)

its reasonably similar to changing soccergaming.com to sg.com

only one is shorter, and the other has a full name.

um wait, no its not the same :D but as a monarchy its doing ok so stay with it :)

OH well, don't fix something that aint broke.

Argo for Prime Minister I say!