why all the hate towards the red devils?

theres only one reason for this people you all are jealous rather than excepting the fact that manu in the past years have domintated the premier, and im not just shooting my mouth off they have the silverware to proove it. manu have also provided the future for england(becks,neville bros,butt,scholes,cole,sheringham) like it or not manu represent the best of english football. MANU at the moment are recognized as the best team in the world and there results have shown that. leeds still have a long way to go before they can say there better thant the reds. so why all the hate once again if you guys had a side with becks, scholes and other key members on your team im sure you wouldnt be complaining.

jealousy is what it all comes down too, so dont cry me a river, and say oh leeds, chelsea, and arsenal will do this and that proove it dont say it, oh and have facts to back up your stuff or dont respond!!!!

I agree with you, although I wouldn't count Teddy Sheringham as the future of England. But I remember when United weren't winning anything back in the late 80s and people still hated them so I don't know what to say except people don't like the color Red, my team(Charlton Athletic) weres red and no one weres Charlton replica shirts, so obviously the color is the reason......Maybe.....okay, probably not.

Cantona - I'm a Liverpool fan, and I have to say my hatred towards Man U is more directed towards the organization, SOME of the fans, and the media's glorification of Man U rather than the team. The team is terrific, I love to watch Ryan Giggs I think he's one of the most exciting players in the world, the same goes for Beckham, and the Yorke and Cole's chemistry up-front is amazing.
BUT, like I said, I still hate the organization, why:
i)What gets me the most, what pisses me off beyond belief, is NOT that Manchester United are winning everything - no problem with that, they're one of the best, so they deserve to win - no, it's (as Danny Kelly put it in August's Total Football Issue" their "intent on denying any other side in their achievements, By pretending that football started with the 1990 World Cup in Italy, the sensation-frenzied media and the born-again Reds are presenting a wholly distorted vision of what United's undoubted achievements actually min. It seems that it's not enough that they win everything; IT HAS TO BE SEEN THAT NO-ONE ELSE HAS EVER WON ANYTHING; is it any wonder that they're becoming so hated."
- Case in point, the best season EVER - in terms of trophies won - CELTIC in 1967 - they won the European Cup, and ALL THREE domestic Scottish Trophies (Goonherboy will no doubt remind u of that)
- United have won now TWO European Cups - that does not make them unique it TIES THEM WITH NOTTINGHAM FOREST who are in the first division might I remind u.
- Ok, they won a euro trophy away from home - that's not unique either - so Aston Villa and Liverpool (talking about English Clubs).
- And if you compare that to the FOUR European Championships in EIGHT years by Liverpool...Man U still have a way to go (and who knows, they might get there, but they're not there yet) And let's not get started with Real Madrid...
- The fact that they're supported by the majority of people who know nothing about football, I'm a British expatriate living in Canada, and it's rediculous the number of people wearing Man U kits, but if you ask them to name 5 players, they start with Beckham, and then trail off ...."Peter Berkamp!" - that was an ACTUAL answer.\
- They're the English equivalent of the Dallas Cowboys - don't know **** about soccer, well then u support Man U. I mean in the 80s when Liverpool were tearing up the league not everyone suported Liverpool, and not many people hated them, now United do the same and everyone (who's not a real football fan, or wasn't a Man U fan before) jumps on the bandwagon. WHERE WERE YOU UNITED FANS BEFORE 1990? WHERE WHERE U?
- The media kisses their butts - look at Alex Ferguson - not to take anything away from him, he's a great manager, but SIR Alex Ferguson - please...Bob Paisley won NINETEEN TROPHIES IN EIGHT YEARS (yes 19 in 8) with Liverpool and got NOTHING from the media or the Queen.
- United players and SIR Alex Ferguson seem to get preferential treatment from refs and officials, and the BS that comes from Ferguson's mouth - Keane stamps on Steffen Freund and gets NOTHING - no sending off, and then Ferguson says Freund play acted, and that it was 'disgraceful'. David Beckham can step on players, talk back to the ref and he doesn't even get a yellow card.
- Martin Edwards
- Who the hell do u think you are for OPTING out of the FA CUP - of all the nerve - one season, and suddenly you're bigger than football - and what you were lucky that Berkamp missed that penalty and you one the league by a MASSIVE ONE POINT - I understand a win is a win, but if u had of beaten Arsenal 4-0 and won the league by 10 points, beaten Bayern 2-0, I would have been open to the suggestion. This was an insult to football, and to every other team in England - why should they try to win? - If they win, you guys will just say, "yeah, well they didn't play us"
- Money, Gerard Houllier spends 25 million rebuilding an entire side, and he's seen as a big spender, Ferguson spends 40 million in the past 2 seasons - not a word. Houllier brought in a 'foreign legion', so I guess, Jaap Stam, Ronny Johnsen, Henning Berg, Mikael Silvestre, Soljskear (spelling), Yorke, Fortune, Keane, Giggs, Bosnich, Van der Gouw and Taibi are all English right? - it's a double standard.
- your arrogant attitude is summed up in the way, YOU, Cantona007, attack Leeds, they're first place and you're logic is they'll fail because they never won before - you give them no respect whatsoever, and they're, from a neutral's standpoint :-) a bloody good team. Yeah, so you beat them, Liverpool soundly beat Arsenal 2-0, but I'm not stupid enough to think for a moment my boys are as good as Aresenal yet. You demand respect, but you don't give respect to ANYONE else.
- I could go on for hours, but I'll sum up the extent of my, and many people I know's hatred for you b@astards, I'm a Brit, and when ANY British team plays another team in Europe, I'm gunning for the Brits, doesn't matter if it's Celtic, Rangers, Arsenal, hell even if Everton were to go up against one of the big Italian clubs I would support them - because those teams represent Britian, but United....let's put it this way, when Roy Keane made that WONDERFUL backpass in Florence a few weeks ago (50,000 a week, oh yes please), and Batistuta slammed the ball into the net, if you had of opened your window, you would have heard a faint laugh that travelled all the way from the frozen north of Canada to your house.
- AND THAT, my friend, IS WHY I HATE MANCHESTER UNITED P.L.C. MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD.



[This message has been edited by Neutral (edited 12-25-1999).]

Neutral that was very well said about why the hatred, I will also add that teams with a lot of front running fans tend to be the most hated.
I think people in general hate those kind of fans because they are seen as people of week moral character(they support a team that always wins, while you suffer season after season as your team struggles for that long hoped for title!)and as traitors to their home towns.

Also I agree that Liverpool still has to be considered the greatest team in English football, unfortunately I think many people have very short memories or dont take time to read or watch history.

I, myself, am a Manchester United fan. And I didn't have much of a chance to be any other sort of fan, because I am only 15, and barely 15 at that. I've supported United since I was 6, which was when I first became interested in soccer. I may be a Scum-fan, but I'm not a bandwagon-hopper.

Second, other teams have the potential to be better than United. Leeds may be at the top of the table one day, and then the next United is. That race will go right to the wire, unless some key person gets suspended or injured.

In the New Zealand Herald, the paper with the largest circulation in New Zealand, after every round, there is always an article that starts off with Manchester United's game. The article is usually around 12 column inches long, and usually has a photo of a Man U player celebrating or going for a header or something. They devote around 7 column inches to the Man U game, and then they do a re-cap of about 3 or 4 other games, usually the ones that Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea, and Leeds did.

There are some right said red die-hard Scum fans out there, that is true, believe me. But it's the uninformed twits who don't know two pence worth about soccer who when they say Go United think that United has something to do with the United Kingdom. Then there are the people who make some effort to keep informed, but would jump bandwagon as soon as somebody else starts winning.
I fall into neither of those categories, but will eventually fall into the first one.

The bottom line is this: Everybody else hates the Scum because they attract all the half-wit fans who don't know squat. Those half-wit fans buy their merchandise, then they get more money to buy better players to win more championships. More half-wits become Scum fans, and the cycle continues. They then get honoured by refs and in-bred half-wit royals, and more half-wits get attracted to them. The cycle starts again.

That will continue until a team overthrows them. After that, they will rebound because all the half-wits who still think that Manchester United are the top team buy their merchandise, which is now cheaper. It won't be a complete rebound, but they'll get stronger and stronger, until that cycle repeats itself.

My predictions for the future.

Robbie

One word,


....................................Jealousy.