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marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 02:04:AM what options do you guys use for your new games?
I have England, Spain and Italy as foreground leagues, and all the other leagues, Russia, Japan, South Korea etc as background leagues. It makes the game a bit slow to process, but I want the maximum selection of players!!
What exactly is the difference between a foreground and background league anyway? You can switch them from foreground to background mid game anyway, so does it serve a purpose?
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 02:12:AM ah that makes sense..
i wonder if CM4 will be faster, i hate it when i run CM01/02 and my cpu usage goes straight to 100%, which makes all my other programs stop responding until CM has stopped processing!!
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 02:21:AM CM4 will ask for higher processer power and ram etc etc
Whats the spec of your pc?
It shouldn't have that sort of affect on it.
Mine does take allot of CPU usage when its loading up saved or new games but it uses about 40% max when its on normal game play.
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 02:23:AM athlon 1.4ghz / 512mb ddr ram / geforce 3 ti500
not too shabby really.
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 02:33:AM Not to shabby thats arguable better than mine!
I got a 2000xp AMD Athlon, 256mb Ram, 40 Gb hard drive, Nvidia GeForce 2 and a Asus motherboard
whats you motherboard?
Yours should be running extremly smoothly with a gb of ram in there!
I can run Unreal Tournament 2003 very smoothly on mine dunno what it is!
Maybe you run something that requires allot memory at the same time? Baffeled
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 02:38:AM well i only have 512mb of ram, not 1gb, but it should still be enough. I've got another 256 on my shelf which i took out last time i was having computer problems and never got around to putting back in.
I've got a MSI6380 DDR motherboard which should be pretty fast.
I can't play unreal tournament very well at all strangely enough. It's jerky on anything above 1024x768, and i like to play my games in 1600x1200!! It's got more to do on a GF3 though, because of pixel shading and environmental bumpmapping, both of which can cause a heavy load on cpu and graphics card, but still i should be able to get a bit better performance i'm sure.
I think it's windows XP. It causes other problems with CM too, such as described by me here:
http://www.soccergaming.tv/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50481
I get 6350 3d marks on 3d mark2001 which isn't marvelous, but i imagine with a geforce 2 you get about 3000 right?
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 02:52:AM DDR means double density, its like if i had 256ddr ram it would be to the worth or working of 512mb of ram
Mind you computers have clock speeds, this controls the maximum speed of what everthing can work at, if your pc has a slow clock speed this is what maybe affecting you performance.
I'm not saure what i get off my GeForce 2, i just know that it works with most things, theres also a patch avalible for unreal tournament with smooths the gameplay.
Do you know what was the maximum ram compatible with your motherboard you maybe overloading it
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 03:12:AM ddr ram doesn't mean the equivalent of twice normal ram, it just means that instead of data flowing up and down one side of the ram, it flows up and down both sides, doubling the speed.
This is why a 133mhz pc 2100 chip runs at 266mhz if the bus speed of the motherboard allows it. My motherboard has a bus speed of 266mhz and the memory is running at HCLK speed which means the same as the bus speed of the motherboard. The core clock speed of my motherboard is 1.46ghz but I can't remember the multiplier.
The maximum amount of memory my motherboard can take was listed as 1.5gb at time of release, but i have been informed by my friend in the computer business that it easily takes up to 2gb, but 1gb dimms were not out when the motherboard was released so they didn't mention it, either way though 512mb isn't overloading it.
It's not a general problem, as i can play many brand new games, ie no one lives forever 2 and gta 3 without any slowdown other than what I would expect for my system. It just seems to be some games, ie UT2K3 and Championship Manager that cause me problems.
Incidentally I had no application slowdown issues with Champ man on win ME, but still had 100% cpu usage while running it. As you may have seen from that link in my previous message, i've also had screen corruption on champ man since installing XP.
I'll take a look at the UT2K3 patch and see if it helps.. i must admit to having a slightly *hot* copy of the game if you know what i mean, so it might not like being patched.
Marc
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 03:22:AM well it was just some ideas, thought it might be something like that, CM4 should be more compatible with Xp so i suppose Cm0102 may have some problems because Xp wasn't out when Cm was first released.
Oh well strange stuuf happens with some pcs , mine gets some problems, i get a blue screen when i close kazaa while i'm running messenger but i don't have any problems with Cm
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 03:25:AM hmm have you tried getting kazaa lite instead? It's got all the advertising and spyware removed. I got very fearful of Kazaa after it downloaded a virus all on its own while i wasn't in the room!! Kazaa lite is much safer IMO
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 03:29:AM Might try that but i never use kazaa anymore anyway, its just because i get messeneger to sign in by itself when i close kazaa it causes a conflict for some reason?
I don't like Kazaa
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 03:31:AM it might have patched itself into some of your dll files like mshtml.dll which were then in use by messenger when it tried to unpatch them.. i also don't like kazaa.. but it's occasionally handy which is why i keep it around. I prefer winmx although it's not much good for anything other than music or video.
Ebonix 06-11-2002, 04:07:AM That could be what happened, that might have happened with allot of my files, i get a few blue screens, not as much anymore, but i occasionally get stuff that stops responding, my explorer does seem prone to it
marc_angelus 06-11-2002, 04:17:AM well on every version of windows (apart from OEM versions) there is the option to "upgrade" which could be useful for you.
It will reinstall all the windows system files, leaving all the installed software intact.
Of course i would recommend removing kazaa before you do it, and I wouldn't recommend doing it if you've upgraded to a newer version of internet explorer since installing windows, as it sometimes replaces the internet explorer software but leaves the registry entries, so you can never upgrade it again.
i've done this on my system in the past whenever i've started getting a lot of crashes. Used to do it every few months on 98, and did it 5 or 6 times on ME. So far had no need to do it on XP though.
Marc
PS We've veered off topic a little haven't we? heh, if a mod notices i can see this getting shunted elsewhere!!
Ebonix 07-11-2002, 08:25:AM Ahh Well, I suppose we deserve it lol
I think u'll find thta ocne something like 6 (maybe 8)league are active in the game (this is straight from CM Programmers) and the option "maximum database" is on, than the game will load the full database. Therefore u dont need all the league as BG.
Can i also ask why u choose 3 foreground leagues. If u put BG changes and everything on, than why not just run the leagues ur not playing as BG? U can be a manager at them (and even change them to foreground) later anyway!
Cheers
sKIp_E
marc_angelus 08-11-2002, 12:50:AM well i started a new game with all the major leagues selected as either foreground or background, just leaving out a few small countries like japan, greece, turkey etc, and when i went to find antonis voulgaris at apollons athens (greece) the team wasnt there and neither was the player. So now i just put every single league on background except for a few such as spain italy etc
Ebonix 08-11-2002, 03:51:AM Thats weird usually theres all of the teams there.
i've never seen anything like that before
I never really search for Voulgaris anyway but when i've found a not exactly known team there always there when i have looked a second time
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