Setting the KickTakerOrder variable in the Access database:
I have completely resolved the problem and how it works in FIFA 2003

left corner - 2
free kick - 4
right corner - 8
spot kick - 8
penalty kick #1 - 16
penalty kick #2 - 32
penalty kick #3 - 64
penalty kick #4 - 128
penalty kick #5 - 256

remember: spot kick taker MUST be one of your penalty kick takers (1-5)
as you can see, both right corner abd spot kick have the value of 8. That is pretty smart from EA, this way they can have 9 binary variables stored in an 8-bit variable. This can work only if your spot kick taker is also one of your penalty kick takers. Do not forget this!!!

Examples:

1/ if you want a player to be your free kick taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 4
2/ if you want a player to be your left corner and penalty kick #4 taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 130 (2+128)
3/ if you want a player to be your free kick, right corner, spot kick and penalty kick #5 taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 276 (4+8+8+256)

i hate binary :)

Thanks Lucas :D

Thank you Lukas, Good thinking. This must have took some time to find out.

good work

but what if you want a player to take a right corner and a shootout kick

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
Setting the KickTakerOrder variable in the Access database:
I have completely resolved the problem and how it works in FIFA 2003

left corner - 2
free kick - 4
right corner - 8
spot kick - 8
penalty kick #1 - 16
penalty kick #2 - 32
penalty kick #3 - 64
penalty kick #4 - 128
penalty kick #5 - 256

remember: spot kick taker MUST be one of your penalty kick takers (1-5)
as you can see, both right corner abd spot kick have the value of 8. That is pretty smart from EA, this way they can have 9 binary variables stored in an 8-bit variable. This can work only if your spot kick taker is also one of your penalty kick takers. Do not forget this!!!

Examples:

1/ if you want a player to be your free kick taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 4
2/ if you want a player to be your left corner and penalty kick #4 taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 130 (2+128)
3/ if you want a player to be your free kick, right corner, spot kick and penalty kick #5 taker, set his KickTakerOrder value to 276 (4+8+8+256)

For a start, EA havent saved any space, because by going up to 256 they are STILL using a 9 bit binary number.

Also i found that Free Kick wasnt 8 like Right Corner but 1.
U are ignoring the number 1 in ur theory behind the numbers.

mine is identical (and has worked for me), except that Free Kick is 1.

Originally posted by sKIp_E
For a start, EA havent saved any space, because by going up to 256 they are STILL using a 9 bit binary number.

Also i found that Free Kick wasnt 8 like Right Corner but 1.
U are ignoring the number 1 in ur theory behind the numbers.

mine is identical (and has worked for me), except that Free Kick is 1.

I am not sure. In the database, there are no players with odd value of the KickTakerValue so I think that free kick cannot be 1. I am doing more and more tests with this, maybe oneday I'll know more.

maybe this test can help us. I have chosen players that have the KTO parameter equal to 2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256. Let's see what kick takers they're in the team management.

2 - Keith Gillespie (Blackburn)
4 - Kevin Nolan (Aston Villa)
8 - Ashley Cole (Arsenal)
16 - Denis Bergkamp (Arsenal)
32 - Peter Crouch (Aston Villa)
64 - Dwight Yorke (Blackburn)
128 - Sylvain Wiltord (Arsenal)
256 - Fredrik Ljungberg (Arsenal)

the highest value of KTO in the database is 278 and two players use it:
Sadik Coubadja (BSC Young Boys)
Fan Zhiyi (PRC National Team)

I will try it tonight when I get home ;)

There were a few mistakes in the first version. Now got it exactly

2 - spot kick
4 - left corner
8 - right corner
16 - penalty kick 1
32 - penalty kick 2
64 - penalty kick 3
128 - penalty kick 4
256 - penalty kick 5

After doing very huge testing, I realized that you cannot set the free kick taker in the Access database. Free kick taker is selected automatically, if you want to set another player to be your free kick taker, you can do it only in the team management directly in the game.

but one thing.
If we go to the team management and change it there and save.
would that be saved in the mdb file so when we publish a package that player is the captain?

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
There were a few mistakes in the first version. Now got it exactly

2 - spot kick
4 - left corner
8 - right corner
16 - penalty kick 1
32 - penalty kick 2
64 - penalty kick 3
128 - penalty kick 4
256 - penalty kick 5

After doing very huge testing, I realized that you cannot set the free kick taker in the Access database. Free kick taker is selected automatically, if you want to set another player to be your free kick taker, you can do it only in the team management directly in the game.


Not a big deal man. But I think we should do something about the graphics. I mean I would be able to change it with the CC and install the whole edited stuff with the pkg format using the CC.

Originally posted by Hakeem
but one thing.
If we go to the team management and change it there and save.
would that be saved in the mdb file so when we publish a package that player is the captain?

unfortunatelly not. changes done and saved in the game are stored in your documents\FIFA2003\ folder

Originally posted by CANADIAN.10
Not a big deal man. But I think we should do something about the graphics. I mean I would be able to change it with the CC and install the whole edited stuff with the pkg format using the CC.

soory but i don't get the point. are you talking about the kick takers? this info cannot be stored in the pkg :(

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
There were a few mistakes in the first version. Now got it exactly

2 - spot kick
4 - left corner
8 - right corner
16 - penalty kick 1
32 - penalty kick 2
64 - penalty kick 3
128 - penalty kick 4
256 - penalty kick 5

After doing very huge testing, I realized that you cannot set the free kick taker in the Access database. Free kick taker is selected automatically, if you want to set another player to be your free kick taker, you can do it only in the team management directly in the game.

Im telling u, i set up Leeds, Australia and Brazil with the Free Kick Takers I wanted, using 1 as Free kick taker! People like Ian Harte from Leeds wouldnt be chosen by the game automatically, so this method works!

U try it, and see what resutls u get, u might just be suprised, maybe someone else is right ;) :p

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
unfortunatelly not. changes done and saved in the game are stored in your documents\FIFA2003\ folder
bot the big problom then as we can just distribute that fifa03 file with the package as it will delete the saved games of the person who download it anyway.
The only thing is that the person would have to set his settings again right?

Originally posted by sKIp_E
Im telling u, i set up Leeds, Australia and Brazil with the Free Kick Takers I wanted, using 1 as Free kick taker! People like Ian Harte from Leeds wouldnt be chosen by the game automatically, so this method works!

U try it, and see what resutls u get, u might just be suprised, maybe someone else is right ;) :p


So Alex, is the same list as Lukas' but with 1 as the free kick taker?

Lukas was right in the free kick thing but not in the left corner value:
here's liverpool:

Right Corner: riise
Left Corner: Murphy
Free Kick: Gerrard
Spot Kick: Gerrard

PK1: Owen
PK2: Diouf
PK3: Riise
PK4: Hamman
PK5: Murphy

and in the access database:

Hamman = 128 => correct: PK4 = 128
Owen = 16 => correct: PK1 = 16
Diouf = 32 => correct: PK2 = 32
Riise = 72 => correct: (PK3 = 64 + Right Corner = 8) = 72

now, this are correct but check the others:

Murphy = 268 => incorrect: (PK5 = 256 + Left Corner = 4) = 260
so left corner correct value = 12

and

Gerrard = 2 => Lukas correct: Spot Kick = 2 and free kick is random:(

Hakeem, I have also realized that but the values are really correct as I wrote before (and freekick=1 also works). There are a few mistakes in the Access database, and Liverpool kittakers is one of the mistakes.

Yes, Riise has KTO=72 (64+8=PK3+RC) but Murphy has KTO=268 which is not 256+12 but it is 256+8+4 (PK5+RC+LC). Yes, both Riise and Murphy are set as right corner takers, and if two players are set for the same kick type, the game just takes one of them (randomisely).

Believe me, I have tested the KTO variable on many teams and I created many new teams in the database (replacing some korean clubs), and the values really are those as I wrote before, plus free kick is 1.

thanks for the explanation:)

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
Hakeem, I have also realized that but the values are really correct as I wrote before (and freekick=1 also works). There are a few mistakes in the Access database, and Liverpool kittakers is one of the mistakes.

Yes, Riise has KTO=72 (64+8=PK3+RC) but Murphy has KTO=268 which is not 256+12 but it is 256+8+4 (PK5+RC+LC). Yes, both Riise and Murphy are set as right corner takers, and if two players are set for the same kick type, the game just takes one of them (randomisely).

Believe me, I have tested the KTO variable on many teams and I created many new teams in the database (replacing some korean clubs), and the values really are those as I wrote before, plus free kick is 1.

hahaha
What should now be said by a certian LS:
"Sorry sKIp_E for not believing you, it seems that u were right, and perhaps if i listenned to u, or even just tested what u were saying (and had already tested urself), than we would have had the problem solved quicker....":p;)

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
hahaha
What should now be said by a certian LS:
"Sorry sKIp_E for not believing you, it seems that u were right, and perhaps if i listenned to u, or even just tested what u were saying (and had already tested urself), than we would have had the problem solved quicker....":p;)

Cheers
sKIp_E

Yes. You were right. I am really sorry for not believing you :Bow:

:)

Originally posted by lukas_svoboda
Yes. You were right. I am really sorry for not believing you :Bow:


i was only joking around ;)

Cheers
sKIp_E

Originally posted by sKIp_E
i was only joking around ;)[/B]

me not. I mean it seriously. I am really sorry.