I bought FIFA 2003 and thought it was the best game ever but after a couple of months i got bored and wanted something new he is my scores for both games.

FIFA 2003:
Graphics:9/10
Sound:10/10 -Great commentary and music
Gameplay:7/10-very repetitive-poor shooting and dodgey crossing
Presantation:10/10
Player names:10/10
Official Licenses:10/10
Life Span:9/10
Player Likeness:9/10
Special features:6/10-no editor or training
Value for money:9/10

Overall:8.9/10
Verdict:FIFA 2003 is trueley a great game everything about it
is perfect commentary,sound,player names ect.ect
exept for one thing the gamplay-not bad but it is so much worse compared to PES2.


Pro Evolution Soccer 2:
Graphics:8/10
Sound:5/10-bad commentary not bad audio
Gameplay:10/10-Amazing!!!!!
Presantation:8/10
PLayer names:6/10-better but not perfect
Officail Licences:6/10-UMBRO
Life Span:8/10-Mater League is big but only ten cups
Player Likeness:8/10
Special Features:8/10-Editor- Training
Value for money:9/10

Overall:9/10
Verdict:All of those people who say FIFA is **** are wrong it is amazing i think that PES2 has just edged it,PES2 is the best but only by a teeny weeny little bit!i think if you like football both of theese titles are essentials!

Originally posted by Ginger80y
I bought FIFA 2003 and thought it was the best game ever but after a couple of months i got bored and wanted something new

you lasted a couple months? wow, I was bored of FIFA2003 after 2 days..

Well, my friend owns FIFA 2003 (PS2), & we play in the weekend everytime. IMO, the game is allright, better than last version, still need to be re-done in some aspects in the game.

FIFA 2003 still sucks, I can't even manage to score from corner kicks, not even ONCE after 1 month !! :rolleyes: :(

Originally posted by ::shinji::
you lasted a couple months? wow, I was bored of FIFA2003 after 2 days..

lol! me 2:D :o :confused:

Originally posted by ::shinji::
you lasted a couple months? wow, I was bored of FIFA2003 after 2 days..

3 days for me ! :p :confused:

I can't even manage to score from corner kicks, not even ONCE after 1 month !!
That's cos your crap at corner kicks it's not the game's fault!

i dont know never seen or played the game! is it out in the US if yes where!

After finally getting hold of PES2 and FIFA 2003 demos (cheers OPS2M UK), I have decided to give an unbiased (or something similar) review on the two.

Here ya gan.

Graphics
Both of them seem to have strong graphic engines. FIFA goes for the full-on razz-ma-tazz that only Canadians with a huge budget, can pull off. Stadiums (Stadio Del Alpi, in this case) seem well recreated and the pitch seems vast. The faces of the players are, actually, well recreated. Official kits are thrown in due to the licence and it doesn't look too bad. The goalposts are a bit abnormal but I'll overlook that one. Player models are a bit errmmm..... deformed too.

Now on to PES2. The pitch looks smaller than previous versions but it shows some realistic grass. Stadiums are accurate (San Siro and The Yokohama Stadium) complete with flare's and confetti. It's the little things that seem to pull me to PES2 though. The chunks of grass that get thrown up by the players boots and the slight blurring of the speeding ball all add to a nice experience. Players still run through the advertising boards though. It's a small gripe.

Sound and Presentation
Motty and Ally provide FIFA's commentary. Quite nice as you'd expect from EA and the Beeb. Expect the usual wit and seriousness that Motty always provides. On to the presentation. It looks rather nice. Team Logos appear in their respective half before kick off. Celebrations are typically well done and the stats occasionally pop up to give you something to look at during a goal kick. It's the default camera that spoils the game,in my opinion. It's so far out that you can't see a thing! It's only a demo but they could've changed it for you. It's another small gripe but it can cost you matches. Expect the standard line-upss and formations before play.

PES2 has a decent (on paper) pairing for the commentary. Peter Brackley and Trevor Brooking seem to be repeating PES1's lines. The commentary is still a bit dull. That is until Brackley seems to lose it in every match.


"Stop that man! C'mon!!"

It's something very encouraging for a gamer. Commentary seems very improved but it's still way off FIFA. Brooking makes th occasional grunt too. It's a comical experience and it doesn't bother me one bit. I quite enjoy the madness of it. On to the Presentation. Standard Line-ups and formations appear before the game and the goal replays are well improved. Its a great addition to see the in-goal camera appear. Getting one right in the corner is a rewarding experience. Celebrations are improved too. Robbie Keanes gun celebration and the Senegal dance make a nice appearance. There's still no place for Shearer's salute though:( Highlights are still lovely as ever but the club music should be left out. I havent seen the FIFA intro but PES2 has Queen and some nice CG to keep you watching.

Gameplay
Now on to important matters. FIFA's gameplay is very improved and the AI does seem persistent. It's nice but the players still feel like they are slipping around in grease! That aside, you can still play some decent football. I'm finding it hard to do so.

PES2 has an improved pace than PES. The game seems slicker and smoother. PES2 takes advantage of anologue controls to help you with your pace and shooting. Shooting soes seem harder to pull off and, overall, the game does seem harder due to the pace of the game. The AI is still top notch and you can really be punnished in games. In fact, they consistently do! They close you down and restrict you from getting forward. This forces you to opt for a slower build up and makes each game a rewarding experience. Passes are intercepted and even dodgy refs add to the realism. You can't just launch into players anymore as the foul system seems harsher than before. It's lovely, really.

Lasting Appeal
With the ammount of leagues it has, FIFA might keep you going for a while but the gameplay just bores me slightly.

After seeing PES2 and playing it. It should keep any football fan going for months on end. The Master League, Training Modes and Cups all should add to a rewarding experience.

Verdict
Overall, I would (and I will) buy PES2. It's more realistic and rewarding than EA's latest outing. No official licence can make a game better than PES2. It's gameplay just shines through. It's addictive and reminds me of the golden age of SWOS.

That's my two cents anyway.

There is no competition, PES2 kicks FIFA's A**.

PES2 is the ultimate football game. FIFA is good (It has all the licensing, competitions, more teams etc) but the one thing that FIFA lacks is the most important of all, the gameplay.

FIFA's gameplay sucks, its not challenging, all the shots and passes etc are automatic, whereas on PES2 you have to use direction for passes and power and height for shots.

FIFA can take their licenses and stick it where the sun don't shine, coz gameplay is about 95% of a football game, and FIFA's is so bad its untrue.

EA try to make their FIFA games as real as possible, with real names, sponsors on shirts, stadiums, competitions. KONAMI make their PES2 games FUN and at the end of the day thats what matters, whether they are fun and enjoyable to play.

And the Master League Rules!!!

I also couldn´t play Fifa 2003 anymore after 2 or 3 days.. I even think it was 3 days because it took more than 1 GIGA of my HD away, so I tried a little more, I thought it could be nicer than what I was thinking, being so big.. but guess what was the final conclusion after the 3rd day... :p

Cheers

FIFA 2003 lasted 1 week in my PS2, and that was because I had played WE6 for 6 months. I needed a change and played FIFA for a week...but after that it was back to WE6
FIFA is all bells and whistles...but their gameplay is still seriously flawed and nowhere near WE6 JL or WE6FE.

...and my FIFA CD is collecting dust.....especially now that I have WE6 FE....which is truly awesome with the Rhapsody patch...
(waiting for WE6 International, so that I can trade in my FIFA03)

on all the gaming sites i have been to FIFA has had a 5 point or more beta rating than WE6

WE fans just dont get it :kader:

Originally posted by uskid94
on all the gaming sites i have been to FIFA has had a 5 point or more beta rating than WE6

WE fans just dont get it :kader:

HAHAHAHA

Name one, I dare you (if it's from the US, please don't, it's like a UK magazine rating NFL games)

Licenses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by uskid94
on all the gaming sites i have been to FIFA has had a 5 point or more beta rating than WE6

WE fans just dont get it :kader:

Hmm. It seems that you confuse the notion and make the assumption of something being popular hence it is always better. That is not a wise assumption to make. What don't WE fans get? Have you played a WE game?

When ISS comes for PC Ea will see how it feels to be #2. ISS rocks :rockman:

since i live in america, i haven't had the chance to play a konami football title since ISS '98. the only reasons i went back to the FIFA series were; 1) no updates to the ISS available here, and, 2) the depth of EA's licensing and game modes.

but after suffering through several of EA's mediocre upgrades ('01 was okay, '02 a huge disappointment, and don't me started on WC '02) i was really looking forward to the release of FIFA '03. several weeks and at least three different gameplay patches along, i find 2003 to be a huge letdown.

first of all, they've managed to leach most of the fun out of it. the game is challenging, sure, but mostly it's frustrating. the gameplay patches -- kobra's in particular -- have made the game bearable but the game's limitations are more and more glaring as time goes on. at least twice i've boxed it up and vowed not to touch it again. but i'm a sucker for playing through a league campaign, especially bringing a mid-table side up through the ranks, qualifying for better competitions, etc.

however, i'm purchasing a ps2 in anticipation of WE6's U.S. release. from everything i've read i won't be disappointed. if the game lives up to the hype, i doubt i'll buy an EA soccer title again.

Originally posted by D. Neale
since i live in america, i haven't had the chance to play a konami football title since ISS '98. the only reasons i went back to the FIFA series were; 1) no updates to the ISS available here, and, 2) the depth of EA's licensing and game modes.

but after suffering through several of EA's mediocre upgrades ('01 was okay, '02 a huge disappointment, and don't me started on WC '02) i was really looking forward to the release of FIFA '03. several weeks and at least three different gameplay patches along, i find 2003 to be a huge letdown.

first of all, they've managed to leach most of the fun out of it. the game is challenging, sure, but mostly it's frustrating. the gameplay patches -- kobra's in particular -- have made the game bearable but the game's limitations are more and more glaring as time goes on. at least twice i've boxed it up and vowed not to touch it again. but i'm a sucker for playing through a league campaign, especially bringing a mid-table side up through the ranks, qualifying for better competitions, etc.

however, i'm purchasing a ps2 in anticipation of WE6's U.S. release. from everything i've read i won't be disappointed. if the game lives up to the hype, i doubt i'll buy an EA soccer title again.

I know how you feel. Most of us PES fans used to be FIFA fans. I haven't bought a FIFA since Fifa99. The shortcomings used to drive meinsane. I wen't through a whole season and wasn't able to score with a midfielder. Plus the lack of detail on jerseys made me play ISSPRO 98(Croatia jersey in particular, I was on a WC 98 high :) )

Never went back to EA. I try FIFA every year to have a good laugh, but they did surprise and improve on the hideous WC2002, but not nearly as good as any ISS game over the last 5 years :)

I like Fifa. I just think games like ISS have much more realistic gameplay. Fifa is just a very good looking game, with stunning grafics. But nothing more than that

Originally posted by theCRO
... I wen't through a whole season and wasn't able to score with a midfielder.

ha! i know exactly what you mean. when fifa '02 came out i scored with a defender in one of the first matches i played. i thought, at last they've got it right! but it was a fluke. i played season after season with my forwards scoring 30+ goals while my midfielders and defenders rarely found the net. now '03 is released and i have yet to score from a header. the crossing system, both attacking and defending, is a joke. the cpu doesn't even score from corner kicks and the only reason i started scoring from them is because i put the first pass on the ground instead of in the air.

Originally posted by mixafendis
I like Fifa. I just think games like ISS have much more realistic gameplay. Fifa is just a very good looking game, with stunning grafics. But nothing more than that

there's a bit more to fifa than a great graphics presentation, but not much. i don't expect a video game to be an exact simulation, but i like to play in a realistic style and fifa is just plain frustrating and unrealistic.

Originally posted by Chelsea2001
lol! me 2:D :o :confused:
for me i got bored after 2....matches
yeah that's true
thanks god i didn't buy the game
i just rent it

Originally posted by robbo2000
for me i got bored after 2....matches
yeah that's true
thanks god i didn't buy the game
i just rent it

How u can have any idea of the game after two matches thats ridicolous....talk about judging a book by its cover....

Originally posted by mohawk
How u can have any idea of the game after two matches thats ridicolous....talk about judging a book by its cover....

Because we know what soccer plays like and what it should look like, FIFA isn't football, so one match is enough to show you it's crap. :D

still rubbish...you can not play 1 game and know its strengths and weaknesses...If you expecting the game to reproduce your Sunday afternoon kick about....then I agree it won't ever emulate that...but then aren't u expectin too much.

crap....I have played FIFA's hideous engine for years, so I get the next FIFA, find out it's on the same engine and therefore fundamentally flawed. It don't take a rocket scientist to figure out its crap. I work at a video shop part tim, and I've played more than one game, but from the forst game you can tell its crap.

Not to mention the horrible graphics....

Well I was a FIFA fan sad enough. I have all the games until WC '02. After I played that horrible game I decided just to quit with FIFA. But there was no way that I could get WE6:FE at the time. So a few months later I visited my cousins house and he had it. I played it with him for 3 days straight ( no joke ). And Then I decided to buy a PS2 and get the game. Well I had it for 4 months but there was a problem, I let my friend borrow my WE6 disc and that was the worse mistake i have ever commited. He accidently scratched the CD and now it was unplayable. And on the way to my new house my PS2 broke so I sold it. Now next time i go to the United States i will buy PS2 and WE6:i

PES2 AND WE GAMEZ ****IN **** THE FIFA GAMES UP THE ASS :rockman:

If EA would put more options and modes in fifa games like the pro evo soccer series then im sure that there would be better competion.

yeah, options are everything, even though every Bundesliga team plays the same and you win 9-7, at least you can play the official Bundesliga with a logo and everything....yay:rolleyes:

WE^PES=:hump:
FIFA=:f***: :crazyboy: :rolleyes: :o :( :confused: :f***:

The only thing PES needs is a lisence and some up to date graphics and we'll have the ultimate soccer game no one can withstand

Ok, I know Konami has shipped Winning Eleven 6 Internationalto Northern US, now when are they going to send us Final Evolution ?

Konami said that they know the commentary in PES/WE6 is not great but for the new games, they will be using more english speaking script writers to improve it.

What graphical part of it needs improving, MasterM?

I own FIFA WC 2002 and FIFA 2003 for the XBox. When I first got FIFA2003, I was frustrated by the controls and gameplay, but I figured there must be a way to master it and it was only because I was beginning. I have been playing it since it came out, and have now completely mastered it. I can win on the hardest difficulty with any team, and it is a major shock if a goal is scored against me. After all this time playing, I have come to a conclusion. Fifa Football 2003 is s@#%. It is so f%$#ing s%$@ I can't believe EA released it. It is no fun at all and I have reverted back to played WC 2002 as, even though it has less features, it is much more fun to play. Super Soccer (released for the SNES in 1992) is a better game than FIFA 2003. I have never played PES2, but I am sure it is a better game, as the gameplay in FIFA 2003 is absolutely horrible.

Originally posted by Nitrous Oxide
Ok, I know Konami has shipped Winning Eleven 6 Internationalto Northern US, now when are they going to send us Final Evolution ?

You will not recieve FE as europe and the now the US recieve only one game a year, Japan usually gets 3 versions.

rest assured PES3 and we7 international will feature upgrades from WE6FE and WE7

No matter what happens...........FIFA will always be the best ;)

Anas

Originally posted by anashassan170
No matter what happens...........FIFA will always suck balls

Anas

Totally agree with u anas!

well said:rolleyes:

LoL, keep believen' that...

More blinded fifa lovers

well, after just a couple months of playing the new WE i can't believe the difference between this and FIFA. granted, i wish there were more clubs and league options, but in almost every match i see something that is so true-to-life that it amazes me.

I've rented PES2 out from down the road once or twice, and thought it was alot better...

I've been playing FIFA 2003 on and off... since I got it on release last year, but since getting ISS3(not where near as good as PES2 but more enjoyable than FIFA2k3).

I'll definetly get PES3 this year!.

I'll be honest, when I first played the FIFA2k3 demo, i thought it was great and excellent, but after playing PES2... it changed everything! :D

Still, from see'ing them E3 clips of FIFA 2004, it does look good..

Hell, I may even get both this year :D.(Depending on the fifa demo of course.) + Its too late to buy PES2 now knowing PES3 is months away (Just like last year, FIFA2003 vs PES2).

Cant wait... go PES series!

have you seen the WE7 videos?

Look, plain and simple, pro evo 2 beats FIFA every which way possible. Sure even the old "Sensible Soccer" pisses on FIFA.

Originally posted by anashassan170
No matter what happens...........FIFA will always be the best ;)

Anas
Yeah, so then playing football = examining teeth . . . :rolleyes:

Fifa 2003 all the way

i've bought Fifa from Fifa 97 to Fifa 2003 and I have to say Fifa 2003 is the best of them. And the argument that Fifa2003 get bored after a few days well i've bought it in December 2002 and now I still play it dailly on my computer. So on my opinion Fifa2003 overules PES2

ofcourse Zlatan has never played PES2, but that doesn't stop him :rolleyes:

Originally posted by theCRO
ofcourse Zlatan has never played PES2, but that doesn't stop him :rolleyes:

the CRO, did I ever say that I never played PES2, no I didn't. To tell you the truth I did play PES2 every weekend by a friend of my and I have to say it’s game play is better then Fifa2003, but that's the only thing that's better in PES2. So don't post something that's not truth. :X

Originally posted by Zlatan
Fifa 2003 all the way

i've bought Fifa from Fifa 97 to Fifa 2003 and I have to say Fifa 2003 is the best of them. And the argument that Fifa2003 get bored after a few days well i've bought it in December 2002 and now I still play it dailly on my computer. So on my opinion Fifa2003 overules PES2

Zlatan are u a bit limp in the wrist department?

If so it explains your comments:mrpimp: :rockman: :f***:

I just bought PES2 about 2 hours ago.

I have been playing it for 1hr and Im alrdy converted.

PES2 ROCKS! KONAMI ROCKS!



I have had every Fifa since 96, and well, in 1 hour, I have forgotten about it.:mrpimp: :hump:

Originally posted by ImmUniTy

I have had every Fifa since 96, and well, in 1 hour, I have forgotten about it.:mrpimp: :hump:

Well done!!! Another convert. Fifa's gameplay is totally awful.