EA has failed!! They work on the game for a year. We play it for about a month and find errors all over the place. Does any of their programmers watch or even know anything about soccer. 7,8,9 goals a game, suspensions carry over to Champions league form league play, to name just a couple. Clearly they don't know anything about soccer(football). Has anybody else noticed that the players are as tall as the goal. What EA needs is real soccer or football players input, and after they belive the game is done give it to some players so they can tell them what they screwed up!!

I agree with you but what is puzzling is that many thing that were right in FIFA 99 are now broken.

Did you also notice players dont get fatigued according to their stamina rating? you can reduce the stamina to 1 and it makes absolutely no difference.
Also did you notice the CPU will never sub in for tired players.

Also someone posted that when player is injured it is for that game only, and comes back to play in the following game, is this true also?

U guys aren't the only ones that are complaining about this game. I bet all over the world there are millions of FIFA series players cursing EA and Americans in General.
They didn't even make the MLS a proper league
and there's no season for them. You can't pick any second div teams or edit a league properly for that matter. **** i could go on forever like u guys probably know. Players look **** and EA needs to listen to us poor fans that save up our chors pay day earnings to buy their cheap marketing-disaster GAME. Get some players input EA before u make fifa2001. This game could be so good...
IF IT'S A CATASTROPHY,
IT IN EA SPORTS FIFA 2000

Can any of you make a soccer game. No really.
Can you do all the programming involved in creating every single aspect the way "the fans" will want it. Fifa is a year long worldwide project catering for buttholes like yourselves who cannot appreciate the amount of skill to come up with the product hopefully most of you have purchased.

The work involved the licenses that have to be bought the legal ramifications of certain players being mentioned in the game(no Manchester United player is mentioned,anyone notice that?). means no Pele no Ronaldo no lots of others no Galatasary no Portugese league no MLS league format,no FA cup.

A year to produce better animations and play sequences and then put that on a new pitch. Come on, they got the players, they missed the pitch, is it reall no fun.

Why don't we ask for all teams being able to conduct transfers like in NBA live or in Madden but maybe as they only have 30 teams and the fifa world has 20 in each country. So roughly 100+ teams if they use just a five league player pool or would you moan if they only dealt for players in their own league to make it work?

Fifa knows its limitations but the base is excellent for our patch creators to work from. The "Patch of the Day" by Chris Davies and Nigel Drinkwater is fantastic. Do not get mad with Fifa for wanting to make an extra buck by using its Premier league license on the abysmal FAPLS and FAPLM (which ain't bad).

We know the game is too fast we know the pitch is too small . Remember when the action wasn't so fast when there were no injuries penalties or substitutions let alone suspensions. Now you want to complain players recover too quickly or the suspensions carry over to every competitions. You whining babies should be left with Viva soccer and Microsoft Soccer(it stinks by the way...looks nice though).

Konami have a great product but is it really competition for fifa now? In 97 maybe but since 98 Fifa has been getting stronger and stronger. Could it have been better. Ofcourse but I play almost everyday and even in world class level where its almost arcade like i still love it. Fifa Rules Jerks.

sglean: "Can any of you make a soccer game. No really.
Can you do all the programming involved in creating every single aspect the way "the fans" will want it. Fifa is a year long worldwide project catering for buttholes like yourselves who cannot appreciate the amount of skill to come up with the product hopefully most of you have purchased."

That's an odd argument buddy, that's like saying that if u buy an automobile and it keeps breaking down, you shouldn't complain because you can't build a car by yourself, or like buying a television that keeps breaking down but again you don't complain because you can't build a tv. It doesn't matter wether or not I can program fifa2000, I paid 60 dollars for a pinball game hidden in beautiful football graphics, I can complain all I want to complain about this piece of crap. EA's such a large company, but a smaller one, Konami, has made a much better game in ISS Evolution/WE4....

SGlean: I would agree with what you have to say if the game immediately before this one was FIFA 97, if FIFA 2000 was a follow up to that game it would be a classic...

Whatever the technological limitations were that the programmers had to work with, how do you explain the things that were in FIFA 99, are now not in FIFA 2000, stupid little things like fatigue based on stamina for players! What suddenly they couldn't figure out the AI for it to make substitutions when it made substitutions going back to FIFA 98 RTWC?
Also they somehow figured out how to have big rosters in FIFA 99 with more than 20 players on most teams, but now they are suddenly technologically limited to 18?

Also what help is those great patch creators, (god bless them!)to all the poor FIFA s****** who buy this game for playstation? I would like someone out there who knows to please tell us what percent of this game is bought for PSX vs PC.

Also its news to me that they suddenly can use the name in written form, but cant have the announcer say the name? where did you hear that I would like to see that from the mouth of someone at EA. Unfortunately, what we get from mouths of EA is nothing, they dont even bother to reply to questions on their own message boards!

Good call Neutral, I was thinking the exact same thing. Polish too made good comments. Now please listen to this

But does anybody want to really know why Fifa2000 is so crap with regards teams and stats ? Well, I hadn't thought bout it, and although I could easily claim the credit for this, I won't. Here's the snippet taken from the following link. Scary but oh so true ain't it !
http://www.voodooextreme.com/games/features/bitching99/index.html

Unlike basketball and hockey games, which usually cover NBA or NHL respectively, soccer games have to cover a variety of key leagues in order to be remotely comprehensive. Unfortunately, this requires a lot of research (to accurately recreate players) and a lot of money to buy licenses for all the leagues. Because of the high cost of developing a soccer game (I won't even begin to mention the price of a state of the art motion capture studio etc.), only large companies can really carry out the task. It is even more unfortunate, that when we get to large companies, like EA sports, they are more concerned with making money than making quality games. FIFA 2000 is the perfect example.

FIFA 99 contained 13 useful statistics for each player, each value ranging from 1-16 allowing for quite a bit of variation amongst players. FIFA 2000 took the number of statistics down to 8 (11 if you count goalie attributes), eliminating crucially important statistics such as Shooting Power/Shooting Accuracy (great for differentiating between huge defenders who can occasionally score off a 35 yard blast yet struggle to find the net from 10 yards out to those players who haven't got the power to score from outside the area but will hit the target on every shot.) and acceleration in favor of general categories like shooting and speed. And limited the range from 1-7. Since most players have statistics of 4 and up in every category, there ends up being many players with exactly the same statistics. Not very representative of actual players. Furthermore, the transfer system remains as pathetic as the one in FIFA 99. While the gameplay is still excellent, the fact that FIFA 2000 would take a step backwards and damage the statistical representation of the players is not excusable. The reason is fairly obvious in my opinion. They do not want FIFA 2000 competing with their [EA Sports] upcoming soccer management software. So now, the latest FIFA 2000 game takes the good in FIFA 99 and makes it better while making sure that there is no way management only could be enjoyable. Good for EA marketing. Bad for FIFA 2000. Oh yeah, and the announcers STILL don't say the player names (at least not often). I don't think we'll be seeing a soccer game which effectively combines state of the art management and transfers with excellent gameplay for quite some time because the large companies which have the resources to create these games aren't concerned with the quality of the game, but the amount of money they can make off of it. Blatant accusation, I know, but at least some of the stuff I said above has to convince you, somewhat.

You guys know whut???
The best Football playyer isn't the player!!
It is the spectators.Screaming and shouting stupid or whut ever to the playes who failed to scares or whut ever. And even the best game designer or maker isn't them self,It is the person who bought it and complain so much...y don't they do this,do that and so on. SO DON'T COMPLAIN SO MUCH IF U CAN'T MAKE SOMETHING BETTER!!!

Et phone home and ask where your dictionary is. If you were implying the same sglean, then do read neutral's post.

The game isn't as real as Fifa '99, but it's hust as much fun. Stop whining and enjoy what is really a good football game.

I think Fifa2000 is the most realsitic football game.Tell me a football game which is better.
OK,you can get not realistic scores in a 4-minute game.But it has the best gameplay rating for me among all football games!

Bye

the only reasons why f2k is any good is becuse people like us complain....i for one comlain because the amount of mistakes made compared to EARLIER versions is very visible...they range from simple things like players appearance and fatigue,stadium selection,camera angles,rosters a)missing key players b)decreased number of players from 20-22 to 16-18 of 25 possible per team,weather effects a)i played an entire season with random weather on and it only snowed and rained "once" and b) whats the use of extremely hot day if the players dont get fatigue,less manegment options a) no more man marking b)no more attacking bias c) no more player positioning,player attributes went down from 1-16 to 1-7, no long range goals the realy long ones not just from outside the box.theres more but all of these were OPTIONS abailable in previous EA fifa games...then you have EA false advertising i read their press releases and they said something along the lines of 18 leagues ,teams from all over the world and about double the number of players that are currently on the game and then guess what about one month before the games release theres another press release EA aquires MLS liscence and they claim to have the acess to every player in that league yet when the game comes out they fail to deliver...these are things that where expected of the game and if im going to pay $50.00 dollars and get less than promised your damn right im going to complain...then i have to support losers like ET and Sglean say stupidity like make a better game. if we werent in this forum i would be putting my foot straight up both your asses until you coughedup my $50.00 dollars back...

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There is now a playstation soccer game that is far far better than Fifa 2000 in terms of gameplay. Its challenging, realistic, hard and it gets better the longer you play the game. Its not perfect , it has many flaws but it is still far superior to Fifa 2000 on the gameplay side of things. The game is called This is Football, its only available on the psx at present. You can keep all your chanting, keep your stadiums, keep all your add ons to soccer games. The most important thing to me is the gameplay and if when I pass the ball, defend, attack, score and save it feels like a football game then the other stuff is simply icing on the cake. Make the cake first.

This is Football is more realistic than Fifa 2000.

My arguement is on how far FIFA has come. Sure complain but let it have some basis in reality. Konami players don't run as fluid. They have very few skill moves the goalkeepers are virtually unbeatable and Inch is not Paul Ince. Admittedly players names is not that big a deal but the commentary makes the experience as real as possible. I love Konami ISS but for the real football game it has to be fifa. Pinball soccer maybe but soccer all the same.

I don't see too many sites dedicated to it either.

The complaining is pure fantasy at times maybe I should complain that my car always needs gas or I have to change tires.
I was trying to point out how difficult it is for Konami and Fifa to create what we play.
What so many forum whiners want is what I wanted when PONG came out.

Instaed of a ball going from one end of the screen to the other how about a field and 22 players with a live crowd and a referee and lets have a commentator and the ability to make substitutions and allow the referee to book players.

It took 20 years to get where we are now and the next advance from Fifa won't be that long but it won't be in a year either.

Hey i'm still waiting for linesman and captain arm bands. Yes I know Konami has the Captain arm bands.

Sure lets make suggestions but don't rubbish a good product, for all its failings, still the best soccer game in the world.

Segan: this time around you make a better point and i must agree with you footie games have come a long way but even you must admitt that it is inexcuseable for EA to say that they have set the standards on what a footie game should be when they cant even keep up with themselves....example FIFA 98 RTWC had clubs and a road to world cup with worldcup then FIFA 99 no road to worldcup or worldcup but it did have great club selection FIFA 2000 a weak worldcup compared to 98 a game two years older and less clubs than 99 "importance wise " with the worst rosters ever considering that EA claims to have a full time data base HA!!! so i realy dont see any unlogical complaining its more of a Demand since its quite clear EA is droping the ball and its time they got their lazy asses of the couch....

Everyone here is saying that FIFA 2000 is leaving out a whole heap of features that FIFA 99 has like stamina affecting fatigue and so on. But what about the features it does have that 99 didn't? The fact that season play now incorporates League, Cup and European matches in a schedule or the fact that players are solid and you can't just run or pass or shoot straight through them. What about the fantastic crowd animation or the fact that teams can be promoted or relegated? And the FIFA 99 rosters were terrible at times. Take Australia for example. Harry Kewell was not even in the team (although he did start for Leeds), Mark Viduka was a reserve player and did not start, Ned Zelic started as a forward (and he is a sweeper) and retired Paul Wade was also in the first team. The same problems affected many of the other international and club teams as well. You complain that Yellow cards in a European match affected your league games as well. Why wasn't this a problem in FIFA 99? Because you didn't HAVE European games in a league schedule. And you say that the computer in 99 was better because it subbed tired players? I turned fatigue off and it still subbed players, so perhaps this was just a programming ploy to fool you into thinking that. And the reason the scoring is so high on 4 mins is that the goal size is more realistic and the keepers don't have miraculous agility anymore. Put it on 2 mins instead and you get a more realistic, and sometimes quite an exciting game.

The problem is gameplay.
Crowd, Relegation, Sound... is just an add-on not the main!

And RTQC 98 was much better.

And what shows that EA dind't work at Fifa 2000 are the graphics.
Every EA game, the worst or best, have good graphics. It was a EA slogan. But Fifa 2000 graphics suck.
But I would play Fifa94 graphics if they use a better gameplay!

Fuicrumb: lets say you like these new features in f2k and for Fifa 2001 they take those features away (even if the fans liked them and made the game better) and added others,Like substitute shielding and blocking with ass grabing and crotch pull also they would take away almost all manegement options except subs but its o.k since the new feature will be that you can see the clouds moving when its rainig and lighting volts can hit a player...get my point !!!

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Why did can't you decide the force you put on the ball any more?, but a simple tap of the D button and the keeper kicks the ball across half the field.

The commentary disgusts me, Motson barely says any players name, and I think he doesn't even say any players name of any of the classic teams right?.

Speaking of classic teams, they are a waste, you can only play friendly's with them, not for instance with France 84, play in Euro 84, which is pretty stupid I think.

Many special moves are gone, and the biggest mystery I find and still don't know is, how do you select stadiums?. Player edit options have gone down, and the kits look bloody awful, not even like the real kits, now I understand why that Nick guy makes those replica kits, cause in FIFA 99 kits looked quite similar to the real ones, but in FIFA 2000, they look awful.

There are still many things I don't like about the game, and about realism, there isn't any, none what so ever, not even those stupid celebrations of player when they score, no one celebrates anymore waving their arms around and things like that.

Poor effort EAsports, poor effort

you know ..... instead of complaining about how bad FIFA 2000 is (I dislike many things about it and I've gone back to FIFA 99), complain to EA. If all of us write them an email, saying in a calm manner that we think many things should be changed for FIFA 2001 (which I will buy), then maybe things will change. Maybe I am being naive or stupid, but why not try???

uk-support@ea.com

you never know.

I agree that the starting line-ups in FIFA 99 were often screwy, but at least you could do the management thing by putting in the right players, etc. right? now what, in FIFA 2000 the right player might not be even included.

SGlean you said all this progress since 97 etc. but if we had all this progress why the step back in FIFA 2000?

About stamina and subs, sometimes players would also be subbed out if they received a yellow card, maybe thats why? Players with stamina of 7 or 8 would be tired by the second half, this added to the realism of the game, for ex. should I start the player with high speed and shooting ranking but low stamina, or the player with lower ranks in those stats, but higher stamina? Now that whole aspect of the game is gone! and for no good reason. what were they thinking saying gee, this AI its not good, it makes subsitutions for tired players, we should get rid of that. Same thing for the player rankings! gee too many numbers there, lets make it easy on ourselves...

A two minute setting gives you realistic results? oh gee thanks, they should have told me that before they put this game out! Do you remeber just before this game came out they simulated England -Scotland on one of the websites but neglected to say what minute setting it was? Now you know why.

If FIFA 2001 is just like 2000 but better graphics, I will not buy it.