CM4 will now be released in March, exact date to be announced.

TROD.

I knew they would not be able to get the database sorted out for Transfer activity as quickly as Feb, I was right!!! They may as well wait till next season now to be honest just to get things right. I'd wait for a complete updated game to come out in October like the others did.

i'll live, to be quite honest, im not that bothered cos lets face it, we all knew it would be delayed again. I'll wait..

TROD.

Might start a new game on CM01/02.....

Bare in mind that the CM fanzine have said it is released on 21st March or so. They are always taking the mick out of SIgames for delaying games. I would not believe it until SIgames confirms it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

awell, time to play cm01/02 :)

Takes the p!ss hey lads
Well it was for all the transfer activity and now its become to much :$
Ohhh well I guess we all knew this was gonna happen anyway

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Bare in mind that the CM fanzine have said it is released on 21st March or so. They are always taking the mick out of SIgames for delaying games. I would not believe it until SIgames confirms it.

dude, si games HAS confirmed it :rolleyes: www.sigames.com :|.

about this. let's just say that it'll come out in june. that way noone will be disappointed :kader:

si games have annoyed me enough. i waited till august, they say december. it comes close and they say february. february comes close and they say march. i get the feeling that they haven't even come close to finishing, and are just building anticipation for cm03/04 :rolleyes:

Yeah, it is really quite dissapointing isn't it? The only consolation we can hope for is a completely bug-free game, though I seriously doubt it. ;)

Why don't they just wait until August and get all the summer signings in the database and rename it CM5? :D

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Why don't they just wait until August and get all the summer signings in the database and rename it CM5? :D LOL that would make sense except then they'd miss all the summer signings ;)

All this delaying is really pissing me off - SI are such bastards :kader:

-C

Originally posted by Liam_Best
Ohhh well I guess we all knew this was gonna happen anyway

i didnt know tho!

b/c i dont have any expectations of CM4 at all(H)

what da **** are ya'll bitchin?? give them some time to make this game good! you want a game like tcm with 10000 bugs? if you could wait till now than it shouldn't be hard to wait few more weeks....game will definetly kick ass....we all saw screenshots didn't we?

But to be honest, now they have scrapped the wibble/wobble screens for the 2D engine, I hope that dont screw the tactics side up too much.

Originally posted by croatiarulz
what da **** are ya'll bitchin?? give them some time to make this game good! you want a game like tcm with 10000 bugs? if you could wait till now than it shouldn't be hard to wait few more weeks....game will definetly kick ass....we all saw screenshots didn't we? I'm 'bitching' because of the sh!t way SI have treated there fans and loyal customers.

Only releasing CM02/03 on XBox really pissed me off and now with delay after delay I think we have the right to be angry!!!

If they need so much time they could have at least set the release date at March to start with, not bloody December!!!

-C

The least they could do now is release the 2003/04 version as a very inexpensive update for those who go out and buy CM4. Sort of like GT Concept. I'm not spendin $90 twice on effectively the same engine in the space of 9 months

ive been reading in the Sigames board and ive got a bit sik of it now ppl are dedset telling off the makers of CM4 and insulting em and demanding a reason.Personally i am rightfully disgusted.The makers have been working there nackers off trying to get the game to be 100% perfect and wen they delay it 4 a month which always was going to happen ppl go off at em i think thats unfair.I would rather wait for a lil bit longer and play basically a bugless free game and a game thats working perfect then a friggen bugfull inadequate game.I think we should all take notice of da makers work which is spot on.this link is 1 of the rude comments that da poor sigames makers have been coping :kader: http://community.sigames.com/1/OpenTopic?a=tpc&s=21019056&f=39919517&m=1541905316

Hi.

I do agree with you to a large extent.
This has been statiscally proven.

I did a minor study on consumer behaviour a few years ago, and results have indeed shown that most consumers express their unhappiness to product developers when they change the release dates of their products as they personally feel that they are entitled to voice their disgust.

Josh

But the thing is, it won't be 100% perfect. Back in August my mate went along to apply for playtesting. He got turned down, but still, they have had 5 months to test it. I hate them moving the date farther back, as does everyone else.

The best thing to do is say it will be out in August 2003, then when it comes to March we get a surprise release date :)

i agree with that last comment.And i think it would be a great idea to suprise us but it could stuff around the pre ordering and that.And Josh thanks for replying pal and i certainly can understand there frustration but if they put them selve in da sigames hotseat and try to make a game in a relatively short space of time wen millions of demands for that game i could imagine it would be difficult and nothin is certain:mrpimp:

Another West Ham fan :) Cool. I'm suicidal, losing week-in, week-out is starting to get boring now. :(

they never said that they planned to relese the game in december. Thats just what many of us believed. The first date they announced was late february. If they didn't care about loyalty and the fans I'm sure they wouldn't mind releasing a game full of bugs in december to make it in time for the winter break. Be patient with them, if you played the games before, you know what your in for.

-Pingtung

you must keep calm fellas

Originally posted by Jordaowba
you must keep calm fellas Please dont make unecessary, arguement inciting, postboosting posts such as this please :kader:

-C

Originally posted by Pingtung
they never said that they planned to relese the game in december. Thats just what many of us believed. The first date they announced was late february. If they didn't care about loyalty and the fans I'm sure they wouldn't mind releasing a game full of bugs in december to make it in time for the winter break. Be patient with them, if you played the games before, you know what your in for.

-Pingtung

yeah, well said ,mate. I dont mind waiting for it, i really dont care as long as its good, those who moan are... losers.

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
yeah, well said ,mate. I dont mind waiting for it, i really dont care as long as its good, those who moan are... losers.

TROD. True, I moan about it a lot but then I am a loser ;)

-C

Originally posted by Pingtung
they never said that they planned to relese the game in december. Thats just what many of us believed. The first date they announced was late february. If they didn't care about loyalty and the fans I'm sure they wouldn't mind releasing a game full of bugs in december to make it in time for the winter break. Be patient with them, if you played the games before, you know what your in for.

-Pingtung

No, SI games initial release date was December 3rd. They informed Game and EB of this.

i wouldn't mind at all if there was a way to change the starting date in cm3 :f***:

In reply to voetballiefhebb,

If that is so, then it was not released publically as I've followed sigames and news releases for quite some time now. But nonetheless, I'm sure we all are disappointed by the wait, but know what to expect. They've lived up to expectations every time and hopefully will do so again. That 2-d match engine looks great:)

-Pingtung

I think the 2D match engine looks rubbish.

Because we have lose the Wibble/wobble screens, then I think the tactics will be pretty lame. They have introduced man management and improved training schedules. I'm not really too keen on CM4 at all.

I think the 2D match engine looks fantasitc and I think it will be the best thing about CM4, though I think you can choose to have it just on text mode if you prefer.

-C

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
I think the 2D match engine looks rubbish.

Because we have lose the Wibble/wobble screens, then I think the tactics will be pretty lame. They have introduced man management and improved training schedules. I'm not really too keen on CM4 at all.
I've been away for a month, so can you please explain what wibble/wobble screens are? Thanks:)

Originally posted by man united forever
I've been away for a month, so can you please explain what wibble/wobble screens are? Thanks:) I have no idea but I think he may mean the text commentry.

-C

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
I think the 2D match engine looks rubbish.

Well...there's always a first :rolleyes:

i think you should try playing TCM and then see what you think ;)

I've played TCM, I don't like it.

"Diego Forlan has lost 2 morale points after stepping in dog poo"

The 3D engine is also poor, I am not keen on it one bit.

The 2D engine will be decent, as long as it does not screw the tactics up.

the 2D match engine will only be used for tactics, i hope noone is seriosuly considering using it all the time as you would a 3D one, i shall use it to see if my formation is; attacking enough, getting enough people back for corners etc... Not to see the whole game!

TROD.

Originally posted by TROD
the 2D match engine will only be used for tactics, i hope noone is seriosuly considering using it all the time as you would a 3D one, i shall use it to see if my formation is; attacking enough, getting enough people back for corners etc... Not to see the whole game!

TROD. I was intending to use it the whole game, well at least on important matches, but I suppose it would be too slow.

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I always play on slow. I only add sound in important matches.

However, my tactics are defensive, the only thing I can't crack is not conceding from Set pieces or crosses. That is where 70% of the oppositions goals come from.

The 2D match engine will be handy for that.

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
I always play on slow. I only add sound in important matches.

However, my tactics are defensive, the only thing I can't crack is not conceding from Set pieces or crosses. That is where 70% of the oppositions goals come from.

The 2D match engine will be handy for that.

Thank the lord! There is someone else apart from me who plays it on less than very fast!! Halleguliah!!! lol. The 2D match engine will be handy for that. But i cant see myself using it all the time.

TROD.

I am too impatient not to use very fast :(

I never have the sound on either, I find it distracting.

-C

Originally posted by man united forever
I've been away for a month, so can you please explain what wibble/wobble screens are? Thanks:)

Don't worry, you're not alone, and it'sa sensible question.

Wibble screen - With ball screen
Wobble screen - Without ball screen.

Wibble/Wobble / With/Without ball.

:D Simple.

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Don't worry, you're not alone, and it'sa sensible question.

Wibble screen - With ball screen
Wobble screen - Without ball screen.

Wibble/Wobble / With/Without ball.

:D Simple.

hmm, makes sense.

TROD.

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Don't worry, you're not alone, and it'sa sensible question.

Wibble screen - With ball screen
Wobble screen - Without ball screen.

Wibble/Wobble / With/Without ball.

:D Simple. LOL I've never heard that before but I suppose it is kinda catchy ;)

-C

The "With/Without ball" phrase was killed in CM3.

Since, people have been using the term Wibble/Wobble, I am very surprised none of you know to be honest.

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Don't worry, you're not alone, and it'sa sensible question.

Wibble screen - With ball screen
Wobble screen - Without ball screen.

Wibble/Wobble / With/Without ball.

:D Simple.
lol thanks mate. Makes sense:D

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
The "With/Without ball" phrase was killed in CM3.

Since, people have been using the term Wibble/Wobble, I am very surprised none of you know to be honest. You learn something new everyday ;)

I have always called them the with/without ball screens.

-C

Originally posted by TROD
Thank the lord! There is someone else apart from me who plays it on less than very fast!! Halleguliah!!! lol. The 2D match engine will be handy for that. But i cant see myself using it all the time.

TROD.

I also play very fast

Originally posted by mixafendis
I also play very fast
doesnt everybody play very fast? i mean otherwise less than medium i reckons boring :$ :rolleyes: no offense anyone who does

In cm4 we will have to chose; very fast and text or slow and 2d (i hope in the future accurate 3d engine ):crazyboy:

Originally posted by monkeyhappy
doesnt everybody play very fast? i mean otherwise less than medium i reckons boring :$ :rolleyes: no offense anyone who does

No, that's silly.

People load up a game, put WWW2 in, put it on fast, and when you lose they criticise the tactic and say it is poor. This is what pisses me off. The manager plays a big part too, where you play your players.

I can't see why people use other tactics for success? Whats the point in playing CM if you are going to play with WWW2 and then say, hey! look, I won this! But you did'nt WWW2's tactic won it.

The commentary plays a big part in the game, certainly the biggest part of tactic making. It shows you were your flaws are, and it also shows you where you are doing well. If the opposition are scoring from crosses, maybe you want to consider editing the bottom left, right and centre wobble screens.

Well this is your opinion. Many others don't believe what u r saying. I mean i can undrstand what isn't going well with my tactic! I play very fast (like everybody) but i have found how to understand what is going wrong, and i also know exactly how to "crack" the tactics my opponents use.

Originally posted by mixafendis
Well this is your opinion. Many others don't believe what u r saying.

Sorry, but remember you not speak for the majority of CM players. This forum is very small. Go over to The Dugout, and you will find the half decent tactic makers like WWW2, Paul Buxton, Dave Challoner, and myself :D all play on slow, or medium. I think there is about 20 posters on this forum or so. On The dugout there is 10,200.


I mean i can undrstand what isn't going well with my tactic! I play very fast (like everybody)

No, not everybody does.

But i have found how to understand what is going wrong, and i also know exactly how to "crack" the tactics my opponents use. [/B]

That makes no sense whatsoever.
You don't crack the tactic, the computer cracks yours.

Notice 4-4-2 Push, that is a default, that is normally what they use on your first CM match, however, the computer exploits your weakness in your tactic and then 4-4-2 Push becomes 4-4-2Push*. The * indicates the tactic has been edited, the computer is positioning the players to counter your tactic.

You can't see the computers tactics because it is a .pct file extension. You also can't see the wibble/wobble screens either.

The overview screen means nothing. I could have a tactic that on the overview screen has this:


-----x-x-x-----
-------x--------
-----x-x-x-----
-------x--------
------x-x-------
-------x---------


It looks like I dont use the wings. That is PB3. However, in about 4 screens withball the MLC and MRC become wingers to get the crosses in.

Please calm down. You talk like you think you are sir Alex Fabio Cappelo. Just take it easy. Oh and i never vist the dugout. I hate this websie. I am too old to go to every forum and talk about a game. I am here a soccergaming and i like it. I just talk about this game (and play when i have free time from my job) a little. I am not the best CM player and i don't want to be. What i said about crack had ". This means i don't mean the word crack. I just mean that i know againist what tactic what style to use....

Originally posted by mixafendis
Please calm down. You talk like you think you are sir Alex Fabio Cappelo. Just take it easy.

I am calm, you have not seen me nasty. My Northern Irish ways with people are not very nice :)


What i said about crack had ". This means i don't mean the word crack. I just mean that i know againist what tactic what style to use....

Fairly obvious that one though is it not?

Tactics though play a minute part in the match. The team instructions are the big part. Barcelona play defensive/counter. I could never beat them, then I tried Def/counter and it worked brilliantly.

It going to come out in 45, 52 or 59 days

it coming out dont worry

Sigames NEVER gave a relase date for December:rolleyes:

I thought they did.
That was the original date expected then to feb and now till march :(

how do you explain that WHSmith, Game, HMV and Play all had it marked down for either the 4th or 6th of DEcember, the wont just have made that up.

TROD.

Going back to the earlier point about tactics, I quite agree with Gazza.

You can hardly praise yourself for winning seasons using downloaded tactics, the same old players that everyone else uses (Niki, Tsigalko etc) and not paying any attention to your squad at all.

I play it on Meduim whe designing tactics, although I do play it very fast for most of my games, and nearly all the players I use I have discovered for myself. I dont by any means pretend to be a master tactics designer and I do use downloaded tactics from time to time but when I do I always watch them carefully to make sure they are being fully utilised and tinker with them accordingly.

Originally Posted by Mixafendis
Please calm down. You talk like you think you are sir Alex Fabio Cappelo. Just take it easy. Gazza has actually been making polite and well phrased comments and it is you who is provoking him and he is responding very maturely so I think it is you that needs to calm down :rolleyes:

By the way Gazza, your sig is too large. SG sigs must be 250x70 pixels or smaller - please change it :)

-C

Originally posted by ChelseaFan88
Going back to the earlier point about tactics, I quite agree with Gazza.

You can hardly praise yourself for winning seasons using downloaded tactics, the same old players that everyone else uses (Niki, Tsigalko etc) and not paying any attention to your squad at all.

I also hate people who download tactics, and criticise them because they did not win anything. You can't download a tactic, load it up, and expect to win. Players morale, training and staff play a major part in it.

I play it on Meduim whe designing tactics, although I do play it very fast for most of my games, and nearly all the players I use I have discovered for myself. I dont by any means pretend to be a master tactics designer and I do use downloaded tactics from time to time but when I do I always watch them carefully to make sure they are being fully utilised and tinker with them accordingly.

Aye, correct. When making a tactic, I think it is compulsory to have it on Medium or lower speeds to see it's weakness. When playing though, I have it on medium, then on slow/sound with big matches. I had the Union Berlin game on last night, 3 finals with sound at 4am, quite funny. :)


Gazza has actually been making polite and well phrased comments and it is you who is provoking him and he is responding very maturely so I think it is you that needs to calm down :rolleyes:

ah, shucks Calumn You know, I am old enough to stick up for myself Mum, I mean Calumn ;)

By the way Gazza, your sig is too large. SG sigs must be 250x70 pixels or smaller - please change it

-C [/B]

You cheeky beggar. I right clicked your sig, copied it into paint, and then made uploaded it :crazyboy:

Just to make sure because I am off the ball atm, you being serious?

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb


You cheeky beggar. I right clicked your sig, copied it into paint, and then made uploaded it :crazyboy:

Just to make sure because I am off the ball atm, you being serious? No I am serious. Look at the difference in sixe between them. Yours' width is 10 pixels over the limit ;)

http://members.lycos.co.uk/gareth07cm/Image1.jpg http://www.soccergaming.tv/attachment.php?s=&postid=456562

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