AS I was born 1977 I came into Metal when it began fading out, to be precise in early 93. I would have given damn much for having been into the scene around 1986 when Slayer released Reign in Blood and Metallica Master of Puppets.
Man, back the at the Clash of the Titans tour with Anthrax, Slayer and Megadeth! These times have gone and will never return. When I first saw Anthrax in 96 so much had changed already, I remeber my first metal gig in 93 when Paradise Lost (!) opened for Sepultura (!!!) - an experience I will never forget.
It is so sad to see all those bands either break up or release ****, like Risk or the Garage trash. The only bands that still kick it are Anthrax (Vol8 was pretty good) Slayer (same as ever, also a bit boring now) and most of all Ministry.
But the times of raw metal are gone - anyone knows the opening riffs of S.O.D's "Sargent D and the S.O.D."? The intro to "Master of Puppets"? The sound of Sepultura's "Arise" or the Live version of Slayer's "Black Magic"?
I can't go on writing or I'll start crying!!!

Heavy Metal died because it was a bunch of Arse

I know, it seams that everybody's listening to Ricki Marten these days. I'm not that much of a metal fan but I do enjoy records like Master (all eighties Metallica for that matter), Old Megadeth, **** what happened to Meg. they used to be my favorite Metal band. Untill they went the way of Metallica Inc. I mean Risk, come on. I think that metal is still alive, in a differant form though, it's more in the style of Korn. Who for the record has released the same record four times in a row (way to go!).

Music is getting softer now, it's going in a more pop direction. I for one enjoy bands like Floyd (my favorite), Hendrix, Led Zep., Doors, and Beatles.

It's all getting to comercial...

nowaday...youngster enjoyed Rap music more than others genre... I personally cannot enjoy ( I've tried to but i failed ) Rap music.... I just can't and dunno why...

HEAVY METAL is the one I like more.... my fav band is Def Leppard, They are still playing after 20 years , their new album Euphoria sold millions ...

btw... I heard from friend that Heavy metal is extremely popular in Japan !!

Long live HEAVY METAL !!!

Zambrotta I saw Metallica on their second gig after Cliff died in 87, the Master of Puppets tour, I saw Slayer on Reign in Blood tour in L'Amour Brooklyn, a little club type of place, I also saw Iron Maiden play a secret gig there as Charlotte and the Harlots during their 7th Son tour.

I also saw the the Clash of the Titans tour(thanks for reminding...) Slayer played the best set of Metal I ever saw that night in MSG, in addition to the three bands you mentioned there was a little know opening band from Seattle, called Alice in Chains...

I also caught Monsters of Rock with Van Halen, Scorpions, Metallica(who ruled of course)and some other bands. Oh yeah you say Ministry, seen em, on Psalm 69 tour.

Why did it die? I think Glam metal killed it as far as MTV type of thing, I never liked glam like Poison or Skid Row though. When Seattle sound came out I thought it was great, Nirvana and Pearl Jam that was the best. I think what you have around now though is just as good as the 80s, stuff like Rage Against the Machine.

My other favorite shows: U2 at Yankee Stadium Achtung Baby tour, Roger Waters at Radio Chaos tour(He is back this year, Im going!!!), Jane's Addiction on their Ritual de lo Habitual tour, Stevie Ray Vaught New Years Eve at the Ritz the year before he died...

Just thought I would mention that metal is alive and kicking and never really died.

Don't you guys listen to Godsmack, Sevendust,Incubus,Machine Head,Creed,Limp Bizkit,Korn,Slipknot,Helmet,Pitchfilter,

Should I go on.

No one listens to TOOL these guys really rock and are completely guitar driven.

What about Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains and Pantera who are still flying the flag of Heavy Rock/Metal.

Recently I saw Queensryche(still awesome) and Joe Satriani. Heavy Metal will never die because it remains the most diversified musical gendre in music. You can go from Napalm Death to Type o Negative and still be in Heavy Metal you can bang your head to Def Leppard and still rock with Slayer and still be in Heavy Metal. You can dance with AC/DC or Van Halen and get your skull melted by Machine Head and still be in Heavy Metal. My point guys is it will never die.

True Poison, Winger, Bon Jovi and all that crap killed off glam which tried to pass itself off as metal but it died because it wasn't. Metallica Megadeth and Sepultura kept the real flag flying supported by Maiden and Judas Priest. The Seattle sound introduced us to a retro 60's/70's 'black sabbath' sound which featured Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam and Alice In Chains. Stone Temple Pilots came in. Guns and Roses brought a whole new audience and even Kiss came back. They all rocked us through the 90's. Have you forgotten White Zombie and Smashing Pumpkins. We never died. But every dog has its day and now a new crop is emerging. Check out Sevendust, Korn will blow your mind and Limp Bizkit is awesome. Should we dominate the charts or radio, hell no we never have and we shouldn't if we are accepted in mainstream somethings wrong. We want them to ignore us our bleep the crap out of our music

Anybody remember Suicidal Tendencies well thats where Bizkit and Korn come from, not rap music.

Machine Heads latest is amazing.

Check out Staind or Static X. Get out there and put away the old albums and start listening to the new stuff.

Don't get me wrong every other weekend i put on UFO 'Strangers in the Night" and rock out and probably a week doesn't go by without me listening to my beloved Maiden but today I have Blackflag, Fuel and Sevendust on my Pc rocking away. God bless the PC and MP3

Peace and keep rocking and stop crying. Rock will never die.

HM RULES.

Old Metallica rule
New metallica suck

limp bizkit and korn suck- bunch of try hards!

Stevie ray rules!

Correction, Metallica rules. Metallica Inc. sucks. Get the drift?

What's up with them and Nabster? I'm going to download some rare Metallica off Nabster later tonight. Metallica used to be against this crap, what happened? I guess they're getting old, you can tell that in their music.

Paul and Jewel your are a definite double act.

Metallica of course was the king of the bootleg. Lars got all his early music that way(Maiden,Tygers of Pan Tang,Fist etc.)

Napster has figured (genuis) out a way to by pass the copyright laws by offering free share file software. Much like you would give your friend a tape and say copy this track for me. Napster leaves it up to the consumer to deal with all the copyright laws which ofcourse is their disclaimer. All they are saying is that these are the people that have the track your looking for.They don't know what format its in and don't care you download it through the other persons computer. So much like a tape recorder, Napster is saying their software is only the instrument they are not breaking any laws. Metallica are arguing that as Napster provides the information they are aiding consumers in breaking the law. Which is what your doing Paul if you don't ask Metallica's permission to download those tracks.

Technology has gone beyond copyright laws and the music industry is scared to death and is using Metallica to raise the flag on the issue. The only people who lose with MP3 are the music companies because they now realise that Metallica could set up its own website record an album and release it straight to the consumer by MP3 or allow you to download particular tracks if you didn't want the whole album. If artists had any balls they would already be doing this. Kiss goodbye to Warner and all other record companies in 5 years they will be history.

Sell direct to the public and cut out the middle man (the record company) of course their plan is to own the catalogs and you could only get old music through them but along comes Napster and now that piece of the pie is gone. If you own a rare cd hold onto it because those MP3s are going to be worth a small fortune. My tech buddies say we can now download straight onto cd with cd quality, can you imagine making all your cds that way. Paradise on Earth.

Metallica doesn't suck by the way. They are still one of the greatest bands of all time and can kick the ass of nearly every band currently on the planet. As a bassist I wouldn't go up against Jason as a guitarist I wouldn't argue with James or Kirk and for those who don't appreciate Lars listen to 'One' and call me.

Peace Evil twins.

Metallica's music is quite easy to play. Except certain solos, like One. I'm not good at doing classical solos. Other than that it's not that hard.

It's not that they don't make decent music now, but it's more alternative than metal. I mean Loaf and ReLoaf.

Yes Napster, I've never been on there (yet) but I know exactly how it works.

sglean, you call limp bizkit, creed, and fuel, metal? come on now. limp d*ck is totally rap man, you can tell the difference. i mean, i like rage cuz their rap is kinda in a rock style, but limp's is just plain rap. can't deny it. creed's kool, but not metal. and fuel, hahaha. please.

and smashing pumpkins? who mentioned that? and i thought blackflag was punk. korn is kool but slipknot is what you would call mall metal. oh we listen to TOOL. new album from perfect circle kicks.

and i agree, metallica inc. sucks. they went commercial. now they just want money, suing napster and everything. seems like they're running out of ideas for songs. their new one i disappear is kool though.

paul, you're right, metallica is pretty easy to play. basically power chords. gotta give kirk credit for the solos though. one's pretty easy though.

i don't only like metal either. i also like some grunge, like bush, nirvana, alice in chains, stone temple pilots, etc. some alternative, like smashing pumpkins, garbage. a little punk/alt, like green day. and finally just plain old rock, like silverchair (great sound).

but no teenie or rap stuff, please. and no ricky martin either.

You're right the first solo in one is really easy, it's in F# minor. It's the one where he keeps on repeating the same lick that gives me a problem. It's like the third one. I don't remember because I haven't listened to it for over half a year. But yeah, metallica is basically power chords. But James does it in an interesting way.

Yeah, Nirvana rules, probably the best band of the 90's. My second favorite (right after Floyd). Cobain once painted over a floyd mural.
It's free music that rules. And since everybody's trying to make money out of music it's starts to suck. That's not what it's about. Notice how everything now is controlled. Everybody's getting their hair cut short, while I'm trying to grow mine for about a year and a half. Everything that's controlled may look very nice on the outside but on the inside it's quite hollow.
That's the way metall is turning, to the way of Korn, and Limp ****. Or even slipknot (by the way it doesn't take nine people to do what they do).

La la la vida loca... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif

heavy metal died because it's a bunch of crap, cuz it sucks! ooops, sucked!.
By the way, this is the wrong forum to post this.

Paul, the drums on one, not the guitar solo's and by the way I love to hear people say how easy these chords are to play etc etc.

You simpletons never appreciate the fact that you, your friends or your neighbours never put those 'so called' simple chords together and create music like Metallica.

Originality, skill, dedication and work is what makes an artist great.

Make a song, with those difficult chords you know and put it on MP3 and then send it to me and i'll tell you if you have any talent or not.

Don't ever say what a musician does is easy, if it was we would all be doing it beleive me. "money for nothing and chicks for free."

Just like in football we say this player is crap or that player has no talent. Get on the soccer field and try and do what they do against the players they play against.

Time we started appreciating skill and talent and not always looking for a way to criticise it.

Are we entitled to an opinion? Of course we are but there are ground rules. Number one metallica has been around for almost 20 years. How long have you been aroundusic business. How many number one albums do you have? Maybe you should respect them a little bit. The Rolling Stones are not my favorite band by far but I respect what they have accomplished and if you think Metallica is 'easy' try some of the stones classics, but the difference is they did it first, got it on record played before millions of people. Guys you have to respect that.

Jack Charlton once said
"Everyone thinks skill is doing the difficult things, no skill is doing the simple things well."

Understand.

By the way the idiot that called Limp Bizkit rap, grow up, you arse!

Is Faith No More rap? Is Korn rap? Is Rage Against the Machine rap? Ask them you imbecile I hope they plant their foot in you your stupid ass. Go listen to Ice Cube and see if you can hear the difference. Idiot.

Sorry, but you don't know me. I know how to play lead guitar very well. I haven't seen anybody where I live have that much creativity. And I'm not saying that because I think so, people have told me. I have a whole fourty some odd minute set. I also have a band, that does other things. But no I don't use power chords at all, at least rarely. I use full chords. I can play Hendrix and Clapton. You seem to know everybody so well. I sereously respect for what Metallica did. And yes you need to give all the credit to Lars for One, it's excelent.

Heavy Metal??? What a load of crap. Listen to some Bob Marley. Now he is the man. Best artist who ever lived. RIP Bob.

Marley's cool. I listen to everything. My music is also in just about every style also.

Speking of "STYLE" !!! to the wanker that said that limp Bizit and Korn*are Suacidal Tendencies influenced WRONG !!! Suacidal Tendencies they were a bunch of tossers, like a mixed salad those one hit wonders were trying to mix rap (Some of them even dressed like gangsters) with metal sort of like the early Beasty Boys songs... Korn and Bizkit wich sounds like a low budget value meal at a fast food joint, These two are Rage Against The Machine influenced !!! non of these bands has a guitarist as talented as RATM tom Morello who provides us with o so wicked sounds so they use a DJ... The only thing rap influenced in Rage's sound are those guitar sounds that are like of a record beign scratched and Zack de la Rochas style of signing !!! Anyways De la Rochas lyrics blow many of todays songs out of the water and by the way Rage is punk and Mental influenced !!!

Suicidal Tendencies, and here I thought they were real cholos, thanks for giving the low-down Various... But they had some good tunes, like "How Will I Live Tomorrow?"

Anyway who cares who influenced whom, it's just paying homage, not a bad thing. And yeah I like all types of good music, even rap like NWA, and stuff like the Cure.

Oh yeah and just because it's easy to play don't mean it's not genius, look at all the The Beatles for Beginners song books...

sglean has to be some kind of an idiot, no offense. did we ever criticize or not show any respect to metallica? i love their music, it's not easy all the time, and anyway, it's mostly simple stuff that sounds real good that makes it to the top. take bush for example. i mean, we're guitar players and we were just talking about playing certain solos and stuff, no need to freak out over that. i wasn't intending any disrespect. if you read my message carefully, you'll see none.

and actually, i do have a band, called spidercrack and we do make our own songs, so know people before you talk. ok, we're not as good as metallica (of course), but that's another story. and limp bizkit IS a bunch of cRAP. get up to date man. everybody knows they sold out to method man. just like kid rock.

and the thing about slipknot having 9 members, yeah. can you believe it, they have a media/samples guy, whatever that is. they have two percussionists. what the heck. they have a clown who plays on some wacko drums or trashcans or whatever. and did you see the wait and bleed video most of the people are just jumping around doing nothing. and their music's like the easiest stuff in the world. i think it's cuz they're from iowa, and not a lot of bands come from there, so whenever there's a band, everyone wants in.

So what if its easy to play anyway??

if it sounds good what the hell does it matter?!?

I wish we were all this passionate about Fifa 2000 but anyway.

Various Styles I hope you listen to Suicidal and just didn't hear one song on the radio. Suicidal are responsible for Rage Against the Machine in fact ahole Rage used to open up for them.

Gshakan09 (nice name) it was Spidercrack I saw at woodstock. It was spidercrack who have two multi platinum albums and it was you banging Carmen Elecktra which is actually possible as she seems to be banging everyone else. Don't let one track with the Method man fool you, Bizkit rocks, listen to nookie! Maybe you'd appreciate it if you got some.

Woody 007 if you know Marley's music then you know Junior Marvin of the Wailers, take the ganga out of your ears and listen to who Junior marvin calls his greatesst influences you will see a list of guitarists which include Michael Schenker(UFO, Scorpions) Gary Moore(Thin Lizzy +)and Jimmy Page (Led Zep) all Heavy Metal guitarist.Duh.

Reggae is great music and Marley is a great lyricist and performer. The Police ripped him off and made as fortune.

Don't trash Metal because you don't like it. Grow up and appreciate music, even the Police.

Paul I was not ragging on you. I was just pointing out how often Ii hear people say what you were saying. All of us were in or knew or are in a band. Lets face it, we didn't have it or maybe we will one day, but the first step is humility.

Eddie Van Halen could tear up a fretboard but he would not rubbish Tony Iommi when asked to, see its a called respect and Iommi played some 'easy' stuff' and never heard of a 'five fingered chord' he actually was missing part of one finger which many claim created the 'sabbath' sound.

I'm sure your a very talented musician but we both know it has jack to do with that.

Pete Willis the original guitarist for Def Leppard was kicked out because they said that he drank too much. Thats like a pothead calling you a drug addict. He was really kicked out because he was barely five foot. He didn't look the part. Sad but true.

Theres a lot of great music out there we may never hear because of that.

Hey insult me some more friends but remember I am willing to listen. I hope you can do the same.Love you all, Peace.

sglean ..... Heavy Metal is a load of crap. Not for the musicians ...... but for some of the messages they inspire. Look at what Bob tried to convey in his music, and look at what most Heavy Metal musicians convey in theirs. I did not insult the musicians ..... I insulted the music and the message in it.

Kewell - exactly.

sglean - you're an idiot now. offense intended. please read. who talked about success? as i said, i wasn't talking about who was better, but you brought up the point about us not making music well we do. that was my point. learn to read you dweeb. i don't like carmen electra anyway. and what was that thing about nookie. you think that "song" is any good. ok, you're a poser. it's rap, period. and by the way, the current rap-metal didn't come from suicidal tendencies, despite what you think. suicidal tendencies influenced punk more in my opinion.

and woody, if you don't like heavy metal why do you have to diss it. we don't have a problem with you liking reggae, so you shouldn't have a problem with our freedom of music either. by the way, barca always finds a way to mess up don't they. they're always the favorite, they always start the tournament like they're invincible, then they mess up.

Woody, what are you talking about? Listen to bands like Megadeth, all their tunes are about the wrong in the world. Not how he'd like to dissassemble all of your limbs from the rest of your body. But most of us that listen to metal listen primeraly to the music and the energy it creates and not the lyrics.

Sglean, I know you weren't ripping on me, but the thing is that I think I have quite a bit of talent. But I can tell you I will never be as good as Jimmi Hendrix. I still have quite a bit to learn. It takes time. Maybe in five years I might be close. With much hope I practice at least an two hours a day, then I start trying to write new tunes.

And you're right you must appreciate all music. Except maybe rap http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/wink.gif.

yes, old heavy metal died (metallica of 80's, Anthrax of 80's, Udo Dirkshneider of 80's, some other stuff), maybe because thera are new stuff on the market now (like punk/hard rock style: Offspring, Blink 182, Drop Kick Murphy's, Limp Bizkit, 3 doors down, etc)...


And you are not heavy metal fan if you say that new metallica sucks... these guys finally grew up, stopped playing that crap (like "so what f*cking what" or "...i killed your baby today... i raped your mother today..."). their songs are far mature now, and that what makes this band special.... garage Inc. is my favorite album just because there are just a lot of songs that are not in trash-metal style.

anyone saw that video when metallica was given some prize (like MTV prize, or something like that) and they played the "so what" song? that was fun...

new metallica rulez.. old metallica rulez, but not that much as new metallica...

Russian i think if you asked what metallica metallica fans liked more, old or new...all would say old (well the real fans)

listen to the lyrics in the old metallica and its not 'i raped your mother' or whatever.....i have no idea where you pulled that from

btw lots of garage inc. has lots of old metallica on it

Hey some people are getting really touchy. First of all thank you Paul. I knew we were on the same planet. Its said that Jimi even went to the bathroom with his guitar. Hello.

Woody, so now its the message and the lyrics. Fair point some Metal bands have insane messages, even satanic but thats not ALL heavey metal, we don't throw out the baby because the bathwaters dirty.

Paul perhaps put it best, for the energy it creates, Bob wrote great songs but there are some people that just like the 'vibe' his music created. I like the 'HM vibe'. I love music that punches you in the face or sends a ligtning bolt into your brain.

Russian Rockett thanks for standing up for Metallica but they never killed their mothers or killed babies in any of their songs. In fact I don't thik they shagged anybody either. World issues, life etc. War. you may be talking about 'Creeping Death'. So guy he might have a slight point. But the boys were just describing what Death was doing.

Gshakan09, maybe I am an idiot I will freely admit it and maybe the 'nookie' joke was over your head. But please please please do stop talking about something you have no clue about. Suicidal Tendencies, punk please do not insult the memory of one of the hardest bands on the planet. Muir and Rocky and co kicked serious but you need to listen to them again if you ever had and then put on your Rage cds, listen to the chord sructure, listen to the message in the songs listen to the bass lines. Now if you do all this and still beleive what you believe then I cannot help you. You are blind deaf and stupid and I can only cure one of those.

'free your mind' Morbius 'the Matrix'.

This is fun maybe we should start our own website.

I just want to say I am an old Metallica fan from day one who was there when it happened back in the day and I like the new stuff like Re-Load just as much as stuff like Ride the Lightning.

I think the reason you hear so much fighting about old vs new Metallica(if you go to Metallica site I think that is the most argued thing on their posts)is that some people are not as enlightened about music as others. Im talking about people who get stuck on a certain type of music and don't really evolve, like Im sure if you know some people who are about 40 they think the last good music made was Led Zeppelin, and everything that came after sucked.

Russian: the songs you mentioned about killing your mother were meant as a joke(a Misfits song by the way, now that was a great underrated band), not serious "statement". They were on Garage Days Re-visited, right after they finish that they start the Iron Maiden Run to the Hills riff and start laughing right?

The music must be out from the soul! MTV and other kind of crap kills it!
Can anyone tell me the last time he saw Master Of Puppets on TV (MTV for axample)? Or Hotel California for example (it's not metal, but still). And you know, MoP is still priety popular. Music became comershial. Look at dumb Britney Spears. Her songs are crap. People like her just for her look. I'm sure that if she were 4'9" and about 200lb she wouldn't be such popular.

"Don't you guys listen to Godsmack, Sevendust,Incubus,Machine Head,Creed,Limp Bizkit,Korn,Slipknot,Helmet,Pitchfilter"

Man, those band are gettin to comercial too, look at their videoclips, it's like whole Titanic-like moves.

Really that sucks. Music shouldn't die just becase of money.

GShakan09: What does Barca have to do with this?? I have nothing against you listening to rock music. (Where did I say I did??)

Paul: I did not say ALL rock bands spread lyrics about murder and stuff like that ... I said MOST.

sglean: well said.

Now .... let me clear this up. MOST of the Heavy Metal or Punk Rock or Acid Rock bands talk about killing people and stuff like that. Now .... I know everyone has freedom of speech, but my problem with those bands is that so many young kids listen to thier music. Now .... whether you buy it for the music itself and not the lyrics is irrelevant. You listen to a song enough times, the lyrics are memorized into your head, and your purchase shows you support the band. Whether you intended to or not. Now sglean made a very good point (the baby and the water), but, the type of message that is spread by MOST bands are counterproductive to kids. Most of you on this forum are responsible enough to understand that if a band tells you "kill your parents" (it has happened before) you do not go out and do that. But .... young kids, kids who do not fit in or are ridiculed, turn to music or some form of release in which they can get away from it all (they should try football). The power that these rock bands have over young fans in overwhelming and for them to go about sending out these messages is very stupid and irresponsible. Most of the reggae I listen to is about girls and cars and stuff like that. I would rather my little cousins listen to how a guy has fast cars and even faster women, than have him listen to bands preach about satan.

Well ..... that is my two cents on this topic. Now ..... where are my M&M's??

that song (...i killed your baby today...i raped your mother today..) called "Last Caress from Garage Days Rerevisited of '87...
they stole it from Misfits... but still...

Kewell:
you are right.. most metallica fans would say that new metallica sucks...
That what i thought when I heard the "Load" album... I thought that the album sucked a$$ and that it was pop music, not metal..
But as i was listening to it all the time, I thought that it was their most maturest album at that time....


BTW:

i know a lot of people who like metallica just for Unforgiven I and II songs, and for ballads like "Astronomy", "Loverman", "Whiskey in the Jarrow", "Until it sleeps", "tuesday is gone", "Low man's lyrics", and others..
one problem -- Metallica isn't their favorite band. I am pretty sure, if toi gather all rock-->hard rock-->punk-->heavy metal fans together and to ask them what they like better, old or new metallica, they would say that new metallcia (from 96 and up) is better. But if you take heavy metal fans and ask them what they like best, of course, they would say: it's old metallica....


you may say that old metallica is better than the new one, but if you say that new metallica sucks, you are not a heavy metal or any music fan....

my opinion, anyways...

Hey Woody thanks.

Old Metallica new Metallica, hey its Metallica, stop all this bitchin' and whining. they still rock. Music evolves and Metallica's music has evolved. Megadeth were evolving too until that god awful Risk.

Woody who talked about putting a gunshot in a batty boy's head.

What does Cobra and Buju Banton sing about after girls, usually violence as I remember and before you say thats not reggae, ragga is a form of reggae just like Black metal is a form of Heavy Metal.

Music influencing kids. All i'll say is this. you never have to teach a kid to be bad. Think about it.

Peace.

sglean, excuse me, but i do have suicidal tendencies albums so obviously i know what i'm talking about. i know at first hear it sounds like metal and it kind of is but that that nothing to do with rage at all. it influenced punk, it's grouped together with punk. just look at the punk albums today and the old school punk albums. look at the look, look at the style, look at the lyrics, and you'll see. rancid anyone?

and woody is a perfect example of a person who is ignorant of heavy metal. i have plenty of friends who think like that. they also do not have any idea what heavy metal is. they think it's all satanic, they think a few curses here and there make it satanic, and all that bullcrap. most people see a negative connotation when metal is mentioned. hell, the lady in our computer lab told me i could put on any music except for heavy metal. i mean, if you want to criticize metal, know something about, listen to it. unfortunately, these people don't bother to. look woody, if you actually listen to metal, punk, whatever, you'll find that the messages are about real life, problems in the world, politics, war, etc. not those dreamy love songs that the teenieboppers have. this is real life man. and you'll find few curses. i mean, i don't get people who have problems with curses blaming metal. and hypocritically, they listen to rap. how angry can one get? listen to rap. listen to how many curses are in there. hell, the whole songs are bleeped out when played on the radio or tv. rap is the music you should be criticising. listen to eminem and what he talks about. he talks about killing his wife, and all that disturbing stuff. i think people like woody look on the surface, they see the long hair, the "cooler" videos, the active behavior, and the energy of the song, and they draw their conclusions about heavy metal without knowing anything about it. and they look at marilyn manson and they think that is rock. no, ok?

by the way i'm pissed off like hell right now cuz i just found out from napster that metallica has banned me. i tried uninstalling it and installing it and making a new user name and everything and it didn't work. i guess they go by the ip's. i even renamed my metallica mp3s and everything. this is frustrating. damn metallica. i like their new video, it's awesome, but if they keep doing this, they're really bringing about their own end. i mean, how can you do this to your fans, just for money?

I too got into metal at age 12 shortly before it faded out..

to quote Kewell "Old Metallica rule
New metallica suck
limp bizkit and korn suck- bunch of try hards!"

Truth...all of it...long live
TRUE Metal

Slegan: Just because your one of the three remaining "Suacidal Tendencies" fans, does not give you the right to campare this soon to appear in "VH1 where are they now" band to Rage against the Machine... Rage started playing in 91, by early 92 they had released their selfproduced casset that included "Bullet in the head" It wasnt untill Rage signed with Epic records that they played support for Suacidal during the European tour this was by 10-92 !!! Singing in rap whith Metal music was done since way before Suacidal, Run-DMC did it with Aerosmith and the Beasty Boys were doing it before Suacidal too... anyways choke on this. "On the strenght of the album, they (RATM) must be viewed as one of the MOST ORIGINAL and virtuosic bands in the nation" -Timothy White- BILBOARD !!!

Come on Various, take it for what it is. Of course RATM is one of the all time great bands and Suicidal Tendencies is a footnote, but that don't mean they sucked, I mean even "where are they now bands" like Flotsam & Jetsam or whoever had some great music for a year or two.

GShakan what do you mean Metallica banned you? It wasn't clear from your, they kicked you out of their fan club or something?

Russian I think you are right about Metallica and their fan base, but I am not close-minded like some. I had friends in the 80's who were huge into the hardcore scene, but were also into Madonna and Depeche Mode, don't ask I know that's a weird juxtiposition. I guess it is same like football. Some people just love the game and watch many leagues and many team and they see the good in each one while other people just follow only one league or even one team(for ex. a friend of mine has stopped watching and following seria a after Napoli were relegated.)

Various styles where exactly did you learn to spell like that. Anyway I get what you are trying to sayake some advice however you are ill informed and I do not know how to correct this.

Once you mentioned Beastie boys and Aerosmith I realized that we were no longer on the same page.

For the last time without suicidal there is no rage without suicidal there is no korn without suicidal there is no limp bizkit.

Do not put the cart before the horse genius. By the way as hopefully witnessed by others in this forum I am an Iron Maiden fan.

As for VH1 and where are they now. I won't argue with you but to pretend to be political rebels while still selling millions of records remains a lesson in hypocracy. Much like Hollywood movie stars who support every cause while living a very priveleged existence. I like rage but I can do without the pseudo political angst.
Spinning or scratching on your guitar is not all that cool either.

Always remember when Johnny Rotten was spitting and snotting on everybody, he kept a clean hankerchief in his pocket.

Nuff said. Peace.

Damn it Sglean, you just dont learn do you... There would of had been Rage, even without Suaidal <<< their video on MTV, they look like Surfer cholos, riding on a lowrider what kind of stupid trend were they trying to set !!! Anyways, one song that Rage must of had listened to was The (Sex Pistols) "Anarchy in the U.K" also Rage does take a stand against the political injusticeses, visit their web page www.RATM.com ...Here are some of the things Rage has done... They ran a campaign against "Guess" jeans, when they found out "Guess" jeans were made at sweat shops.. Rage against the Machine has funded in the legal defense of "Peltier' and Mumia Abdul, two death row inmates that the federal goverment "Wrongly" put behind bars.. Rage did a benefit concert with the Beasty boys to raise money for the tibetian peoples.. Rage raised money in a concert in Mexico city to help the Student protest at the UNAM (Largest University in Latin America) the students held the school hostage when they found out that tuition was going to be raised from 0.02% to 200% also rage helped the people of Chiapas,, the list goes on and on... The bottom line is >>> you can NOT, must NOT and shall NOT, compare the misguided souls of "Suacidal Tendencies" to that of RAGE AGAINST THE MACHINE, that for almost a Decade now has been helping raise awareness of political injustices around the world !!! >>>A DECADE OF THE WEAPON OF SOUND ABOVE GROUND<<<

Metal is not dead. It's stong like always.

Entombed, Iced earth, Dismember, Primal fear, Hypocrisy, TiamaT, Iron maiden, Godgory, Amon amarth, Nile, My dying bride, Therion, Arcturus, Bal sagoth, Burzum, Cradle of filth, Darzamat, Disembowelment, Evergrey, grave, Haggard, Kataklysm, Manowar,Moonspell, Nightwish, Morgoth, Saturnus, Old mans child, Morbid angel, Vader, Within temptation, Theatre of tragedy, Carcass, Death, Amorphis, Samael, Paradise lost, Destruction, Mayhem, Halloween, Emperor, Dissection, Ulver, Grave digger,Anathema, Deicide, Blind guardian
etc etc etc

This is metal!

And Not Limp biskit, Korn, RATM, Slipknot etc etc etc

And to someone speaking bad things about metal lyrics(messages): If you don't know NOTHING about metal.. don't speak about it.

GO METALLICA!!!
METALLICA 4EVER!!!!

I think slayer is also quite good.

btw Metallica was much better when burton was around, newstead is not very good...

btw pantera sucks, they are NOT metal. They play trash.

Generally most speed metal is nice. eg megadeth.

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