View Full Version : Woodgate to go? Venables to follow?
monkee 30-01-2003, 05:20:PM Sale at Elland Road.
According to Woodgate's agent, and we all know what snide fellas they are, Leeds and Newcastle have agreed a fee for him.
If he goes is Venables going to follow him out the Elland Road doors? The way he was talking the other night sounded as if he thought that selling Fowler would mean he didn't have to sell anyone else. The exodus continues.
Amika 30-01-2003, 05:23:PM before he go.. please sell harry kewell to liverpool...:p :D
playmate 30-01-2003, 05:25:PM it really defies logic..... why didn't they sell the stadium first b4 selling all the players and sending the manager home??:confused::o :crazyboy:
playmate 30-01-2003, 05:28:PM Originally posted by Amika
before he go.. please sell harry kewell to liverpool...:p :D
new sig amika!:gavin:
u'll have to make another one if u get kewell, surely u'd like to put him beside mickey....:D
Amika 30-01-2003, 05:36:PM Originally posted by playmate
new sig amika!:gavin:
u'll have to make another one if u get kewell, surely u'd like to put him beside mickey....:D
well.. then i'll have to trouble mr icey blue again for the signy... if we can get kewell... which i doubt we will...:(
ShearerM4 30-01-2003, 05:52:PM things seem to be happening today .... at last, Leeds are studying NUFC's bid
£9 million offer seems to be on the table ...rising to £11 depending on appearances.
:confused: :(
playmate 30-01-2003, 07:50:PM Originally posted by ShearerM4
things seem to be happening today .... at last, Leeds are studying NUFC's bid
£9 million offer seems to be on the table ...rising to £11 depending on appearances.
:confused: :(
costly defenders the order of the day......:o
TOON ARMY 30-01-2003, 08:03:PM Well its great news about the two teams have agreed on a price, if we get him i hope he's worth the money
Chelsea2001 30-01-2003, 08:25:PM Originally posted by playmate
costly defenders the order of the day......:o
Well it now says on the Newcastle site a £9 mil fee has been agreed:) and looking at that price compared to what you payed for Rio, What a Bargain!:p this will be a great signing which i thought Newcastle would not get :o
playmate 30-01-2003, 09:06:PM Originally posted by Chelsea2001
and looking at that price compared to what you payed for Rio, What a Bargain!:p
actually i was thinking of rio's price as well when i said costly defenders......:)
on the other hand fowler is soooooo cheap!
Bobby 31-01-2003, 12:03:AM We'd be glad to take Mr. Robinson off your hands :D
-William- 31-01-2003, 02:11:AM I think Harry would play very good in La Liga :D (H)
maddog1983 31-01-2003, 03:16:AM oh my ! leeds must be really fuc ked financially .... the have now lost bowyer, fowler, woodgate, Rio, Dacourt , Robbie Keane, havei missed anyone ? and this is all one season .... no wonder they had such a poor start to the year
whos going to play in defence ? Radebe and Lucic :rolleyes: its no woodgate -- ferdinand
Leeds what are you doing ?!
juventusita 31-01-2003, 03:45:AM What are they doing?
Just destroying all of what they have at the club and rebuilding for the future. Hopefully that future does not include their current board.
Kewell should go play in La Liga.
yay ... Newcastle got the signing ... :hump:
hahahahaha
Leeds suck balls (H) :rockman:
DjurgårdensIF 31-01-2003, 06:46:AM I've always been a supporter of El tel, but now i think we should throw his ass out on the street. Time for change at Elland Road.
precise 31-01-2003, 07:10:AM Originally posted by Amika
before he go.. please sell harry kewell to liverpool...:p :D
Not if Man United can get their hands on him first!!
precise 31-01-2003, 07:20:AM Woodgate leaving Leeds is of course very bad news for Leeds fans, but he might just be the man to shore things up at the back for Newcastle.
Could this be the signing that would enable Robson and Newcastle to launch a more serious bid for the Championship next season? Have to wait n see....... If so then we could be seeing potentially 5 teams battling it out:Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea(if they stay consistent) & Newcastle=>What a cracking season we could be in for!!
I, though, thought Woodgate was going to be 1 of those players who stay at 1 club for their entire careers.
OzzeG 31-01-2003, 11:45:AM Liverpool - haha you must be having a laugh, coz i am.
Digitarius 31-01-2003, 12:03:PM This is almost as expected. And Peter Risdale has the cheek of coming out saying that Leeds are not a selling club.
While Leeds have had a half-decent run a few weeks ago, they have begun to slump again. They cannot afford to lose any more of their better players, like Woodgate.
The sale of players like Fowler, Bowyer, Dacourt, etc. are understandable, because they are not the young players who will be making up the team for seasons to come.
But Woodgate is their best defender and will remain so if he is not sold for a measly £9 million to rivals Newcastle.
This is great news for Newcastle, who can themselves challenge for the title. After all, they are only 5 points off Arsenal. With Woodgate shoring up the defence, who knows?
Having said that, they bought Titus Bramble earlier on in the season and things didn't exactly work out for the former Ipswich man.
Terry Venables got what he deserved. He knew what the club was about when he joined and if he doesn't want to deal with it, keep working with ITV.
Bobby 31-01-2003, 12:09:PM Originally posted by precise
Woodgate leaving Leeds is of course very bad news for Leeds fans, but he might just be the man to shore things up at the back for Newcastle.
Could this be the signing that would enable Robson and Newcastle to launch a more serious bid for the Championship next season? Have to wait n see....... If so then we could be seeing potentially 5 teams battling it out:Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea(if they stay consistent) & Newcastle=>What a cracking season we could be in for!!
I, though, thought Woodgate was going to be 1 of those players who stay at 1 club for their entire careers.
If Everton and Southampton make some good signings, we could have a hell of a race! With Larrson loose the summer he could be a MASSIVE signing if one of them get him, let's hope for the sake of football that Arsenal and Man Utd aren't the only 2 next year...we don't need another SPL.
monkee 31-01-2003, 12:36:PM It's odd that they are selling so many players, especially after selling Ferdinand for £30m, reportedly, in the summer. It makes me wonder if the fee was actually £30m?
Leeds United - the car boot sale of the Premier League.
playmate 31-01-2003, 12:41:PM Originally posted by Ljungberg08
let's hope for the sake of football that Arsenal and Man Utd aren't the only 2 next year...we don't need another SPL.
Amen....
playmate 31-01-2003, 12:46:PM Originally posted by monkee
It's odd that they are selling so many players, especially after selling Ferdinand for £30m, reportedly, in the summer. It makes me wonder if the fee was actually £30m?
yeah! 30 m. is one hell of a lot of money! wish we got him a bit cheaper. but on this point, really how much more money do leeds need?? what were their debts - something like 100 m.??
Daics 31-01-2003, 03:11:PM I read they took out a loan of about 76m pounds about 2 years ago. Add interest on top of that....
Originally posted by Daics
I read they took out a loan of about 76m pounds about 2 years ago. Add interest on top of that....
that would be near double wouldn't it ...
i cbf figuring it out ... its Leeds :rolleyes:
ShearerM4 31-01-2003, 03:23:PM well
I'm so happy this morning... coz In my mind I had convinced myself that the Woodgate deal was not gonna happen.
But now that it is .... :D wooohoooo it's almost out of the blue for me. Was great to see the pictures of Woody at St James Park last night .... things are happening. And unless a disaster happens he'll on the Newcastle ranks today !!!
Woody's not a woodpecker anymore .... he's a MAGPIE ;) :)
Daics 31-01-2003, 06:29:PM It's confirmed.
Reports that we are trying to sign Kleberson before the midnight deadline. And we have signed Tommy Caig of Hibs as a thrid choice keeper.
Also, the Tyne-Tees is postponed.
ShearerM4 31-01-2003, 06:52:PM Originally posted by Daics
Also, the Tyne-Tees is postponed.
just been watching the press conference.
that is a joke !!
Boro say : "playing surface is fine, but the snow has affected the terraces and roads leading to the stadium"
it suits Boro not to play I think ... Bobby wasn't pleased
TOON ARMY 31-01-2003, 06:52:PM Originally posted by Daics
It's confirmed.
Reports that we are trying to sign Kleberson before the midnight deadline. And we have signed Tommy Caig of Hibs as a thrid choice keeper.
Also, the Tyne-Tees is postponed.
Yes the Kleberson deal is back on, only a few hours left! We can do it!
Yes the news ive been waiting for, i have read it with my own eyes that Woody is now a Magpie!!
I was looking forward to the Tyne-Teens match, but judgeing from all the snow weve had on the east coast then postponment couldn't of been avoided
Chelsea2001 31-01-2003, 08:15:PM Originally posted by TOON ARMY
Yes the Kleberson deal is back on, only a few hours left! We can do it!
Kleberson is gonna be signed in summer :) i think he is flying to Newcastle on monday to talk terms:) ;)
TOON ARMY 31-01-2003, 09:11:PM Originally posted by Chelsea2001
Kleberson is gonna be signed in summer :) i think he is flying to Newcastle on monday to talk terms:) ;)
Yes it will be more likely for him to be signed in the summer but i have a funny fealing we may sign him before the deadline in 5 hours time
monkeyhappy 31-01-2003, 09:48:PM Originally posted by TOON ARMY
Yes it will be more likely for him to be signed in the summer but i have a funny fealing we may sign him before the deadline in 5 hours time i am really glad newcastle are taking in more players!! :) :)
ShearerM4 31-01-2003, 10:34:PM I don't know why they wanna get This Kleberson... I'm not too keen.
We have one of the best midfields in the league...
Whether we get him or not (I Don't think we will) ... don't care
GoHawks4 01-02-2003, 01:35:AM GIRL'S DIARY
FRIDAY
Saw Joe yesterday evening and he was acting really strangely.
I went shopping in the afternoon with the girls and I did turn up a bit late so I thought it might be that.
The bar was really crowded and loud so I suggested we go somewhere quieter to talk. He was still very subdued and distracted so I suggested we go somewhere nice to eat.
All through dinner he just didn't seem himself; he hardly laughed, and didn't seem to be paying any attention to me or to what I was saying.
I just knew that something was wrong.
He dropped me back home and I wondered if he was going to come in; he hesitated, but followed._
I asked him again if there was something the matter but he just half shook his head and turned the television on.
After about 10 minutes of silence, I said I was going upstairs to bed.
I put my arms around him and told him that I loved him deeply._
He just gave a sigh, and a sad sort of smile.
He didn't follow me up, but later he did, and I was surprised when we made love.
He still seemed distant and a bit cold, and I started to think that he was going to leave me, and that he had found someone else.
I cried myself to sleep.
BLOKE'S DIARY
FRIDAY
Leeds sell Woodgate. Still got laid though.
The Drovers Dog 01-02-2003, 04:20:AM Here is a more of the Leeds Debacle from a Leeds Source. --
Sneaking in under the transfer deadline wire we find that we've
actually managed to entice someone to Elland Road. Admittedly it is just a loan signing to the end of the season, but maybe Raul
Bravo of Real Madrid might just help us sort out the problematic left back slot and give us some balance and solidity in defence to
enable us to put together a stable platform for a late challenge for a Euro Europlace. Raul Bravo hasn't exactly been a regular for Madrid, but seems to be a decent prospect and has been learning at the feet of a real master - Roberto Carlos.
He won't be available for the cup replay against Gillingham so we could see him make his debut against West Ham on Saturday week. Madrid have made it clear that there is no option to buy the player - there's a sell-on clause of GBP 16 million in his contract (no doubt a relic from better years) and they're expecting him back at the Bernabeu at the end of June.
Newcastle unveiled their surprise new signing - Jon Woodgate -
at a press conference at 1600 today. He might even be fit for their
game against ManU next week - and will almost certainly be ready intime for Newcastle's visit to Elland Road in three weeks time.
Good luck Woody - you've been brilliant for us on the pitch and deserve our best wishes. Let's hope that Bobby Robson manages to impart a bit of maturity and wisdom to add to your undoubted skills on the park.
El Tel came into this lunchtime's news conference with a dark and angry expression on his face following his pre-conference chat with Peter Ridsdale. But he gave us all some hope - for the short term at least. "I think it's fair to say I am leaning towards staying," he said. "The more I think about, it would be irresponsible to do anything other than stay. That's the way I feel. Coming here this morning I was full of mixed emotions,
but the more I think about it, the more my mind is beginning
to be made up." He reckons he owes it to the remaining players
and the fans to keep on going.
He reiterated his surprise at the sale of Jon Woodgate once Robbie Fowler's transfer deal had gone through, and referring to the chairman and the undertakings he had made said: "We are both being tested. Peter has had to do a job on one side and me on the other both looking out for the same ends - the good of the
club." Venables has gone from being a hate figure among the
fans to one who is viewed with deep sympathy and support for
the mess he has inherited and for the way he is seen to have
been screwed by the board in the same way that they are
screwing the fans.
I hope he stays at least until the end of the season: his experience might just be enough to squeeze us into an InterToto place or even a UEFA spot (okay, I've had a bottle of wine and my optimism pills tonight) but mostimportantly he has the personality, tactical knowledge and man management skills to pick the current squad off thefloor and recreate a winning team from the players who see morale and confidence has been shattered by the board's incompetence. He wasn't my first choice in the summer and I still disagree with some of the things he's done, butfor now the manager needs all of our support as he tries to get us back on the road to recovery.
At today's lunchtime press conference, Peter Ridsdale more or less
said "back me or sack me". He read from an open letter to the
fans and attempted to explain the current situation: "The lack
of Champions League football meant a loss of income to this
club of approximately GBP 30m. It is acknowledged the
transfer system has imploded." And he went on: "Jonathan
Woodgate is a player we didn't want to sell. As a supporter I
didn't want to take the offer, the manager didn't want
Jonathan to go and he made that absolutely clear to me."
His key point - and the one that I take the most issue with
is this: "If the Leeds supporters believe that this wouldn't
have happened had I not been here, then they need to think
again. This decision was right for Leeds United. If I have to
consider my future as a result of that, then so be it." The
point is Peter that not so much that any other chairman would
have had to have made the same decision: we don't dispute that
given the circumstances the club finds itself in.
What we need to examine is why the club found itself in this precarious position in the first place and the real question is "Would we have been in the same position if someone else had been making the decisions?" Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I think it's blindingly clear that Ridsdale is now trying to do what his erstwhile best mate O'Leary did when things turned sour
and blame everyone bar himself. It was YOUR responsibility Peter and YOU - and your board colleagues - are the ones who should be holding their hands up right now and taking the whacks you are due, up to and including the sack. Have the good grace to admit your past failures and go with our thanks for the good times - or stay on and face a long and rancorous battle with the fans and press who will despise you for your failure to face up to your mistakes.
Ridsdale even - sort-of - admits that he lied to the manager. "When I gave Terry the assurance that Jonathan would
not be sold, it was in the belief and hopeful knowledge that we wouldn't have to sell another player. If Terry feels I let him down, he is fair to feel that. If he feels he was misled he may be right, but not deliberately so." So you're so incontrol of the business you don't know whether or not we need to sell a prized asset to stay operating? Where is MaxClifford when you need him to tell you to stop opening your mouth merely to change feet?
His final insult was to belittle the fans without whom the club
would be nothing. He pointed out the value of the bid was over
half the market capitalisation of the club - and more than the
club received in season ticket sales and more or less asked what
right we had to complain about Woody's sale.
Well why not go the whole hog and sell all the players, build a new supermarket on the ground (I'm sure Mr Leighton will be able to put you in touch with some interested developers) and wind the company up with one final dividend to the shareholders - who can then go home and stuff their cash in the mattress and hope they will get a better return? Ridsdale's contempt for the average fan seems to be showing through his old chummy facade now and he's clearly in thrall to the money men and has neither the intention nor desire to represent the fans' interests, or indeed remind the shareholders that the future goes beyond the next dividend payment. Resign now or face the bitterest battle of your life.
Originally posted by DjurgårdensIF
I've always been a supporter of El tel, but now i think we should throw his ass out on the street. Time for change at Elland Road.
Nah, its not El Tel's fault, Ridsdale is doing the selling El Tel has been given no choice, much Like O'Leary wasnt with Rio.
I cant believe Leeds have sold 2 of Englands 3 best CB's in the last 6months, along with an English International Striker, an English International Midfielder, an Irish International Striker and star of the WC and a French International Midfielder...AM i missing someone? Thats Ferdinand, Woodgate, Fowler, Bowyer, Keane, Dacourt..
Wont be long until Smith, Kewell and Robinson are on their way out too id say. Mills will probably follow, and hey, we may as well give away James Milner why we're at it..
The selling isnt what is annoying me, its the constant "This will be our last sale", or the "If we sell Rio, we wont have to sell again"->"If we sell Keane, we wont have to sell again"->"If we sell Dacourt and Bowyer, we wont have to sell again"->"If we sell Fowler, we wont have to sell Woodgate"..
Yeah why dont we sell Elland Road whilst we're at it? we wont need a stadium that big in Nation Wide....
No Cheers from me this time ;)
sKIp_E
Originally posted by The Drovers Dog
Here is a more of the Leeds Debacle from a Leeds Source. --
Sneaking in under the transfer deadline wire we find that we've
actually managed to entice someone to Elland Road. Admittedly it is just a loan signing to the end of the season, but maybe Raul
Bravo of Real Madrid might just help us sort out the problematic left back slot and give us some balance and solidity in defence to
enable us to put together a stable platform for a late challenge for a Euro Europlace. Raul Bravo hasn't exactly been a regular for Madrid, but seems to be a decent prospect and has been learning at the feet of a real master - Roberto Carlos.
He won't be available for the cup replay against Gillingham so we could see him make his debut against West Ham on Saturday week. Madrid have made it clear that there is no option to buy the player - there's a sell-on clause of GBP 16 million in his contract (no doubt a relic from better years) and they're expecting him back at the Bernabeu at the end of June.
Newcastle unveiled their surprise new signing - Jon Woodgate -
at a press conference at 1600 today. He might even be fit for their
game against ManU next week - and will almost certainly be ready intime for Newcastle's visit to Elland Road in three weeks time.
Good luck Woody - you've been brilliant for us on the pitch and deserve our best wishes. Let's hope that Bobby Robson manages to impart a bit of maturity and wisdom to add to your undoubted skills on the park.
El Tel came into this lunchtime's news conference with a dark and angry expression on his face following his pre-conference chat with Peter Ridsdale. But he gave us all some hope - for the short term at least. "I think it's fair to say I am leaning towards staying," he said. "The more I think about, it would be irresponsible to do anything other than stay. That's the way I feel. Coming here this morning I was full of mixed emotions,
but the more I think about it, the more my mind is beginning
to be made up." He reckons he owes it to the remaining players
and the fans to keep on going.
He reiterated his surprise at the sale of Jon Woodgate once Robbie Fowler's transfer deal had gone through, and referring to the chairman and the undertakings he had made said: "We are both being tested. Peter has had to do a job on one side and me on the other both looking out for the same ends - the good of the
club." Venables has gone from being a hate figure among the
fans to one who is viewed with deep sympathy and support for
the mess he has inherited and for the way he is seen to have
been screwed by the board in the same way that they are
screwing the fans.
I hope he stays at least until the end of the season: his experience might just be enough to squeeze us into an InterToto place or even a UEFA spot (okay, I've had a bottle of wine and my optimism pills tonight) but mostimportantly he has the personality, tactical knowledge and man management skills to pick the current squad off thefloor and recreate a winning team from the players who see morale and confidence has been shattered by the board's incompetence. He wasn't my first choice in the summer and I still disagree with some of the things he's done, butfor now the manager needs all of our support as he tries to get us back on the road to recovery.
At today's lunchtime press conference, Peter Ridsdale more or less
said "back me or sack me". He read from an open letter to the
fans and attempted to explain the current situation: "The lack
of Champions League football meant a loss of income to this
club of approximately GBP 30m. It is acknowledged the
transfer system has imploded." And he went on: "Jonathan
Woodgate is a player we didn't want to sell. As a supporter I
didn't want to take the offer, the manager didn't want
Jonathan to go and he made that absolutely clear to me."
His key point - and the one that I take the most issue with
is this: "If the Leeds supporters believe that this wouldn't
have happened had I not been here, then they need to think
again. This decision was right for Leeds United. If I have to
consider my future as a result of that, then so be it." The
point is Peter that not so much that any other chairman would
have had to have made the same decision: we don't dispute that
given the circumstances the club finds itself in.
What we need to examine is why the club found itself in this precarious position in the first place and the real question is "Would we have been in the same position if someone else had been making the decisions?" Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I think it's blindingly clear that Ridsdale is now trying to do what his erstwhile best mate O'Leary did when things turned sour
and blame everyone bar himself. It was YOUR responsibility Peter and YOU - and your board colleagues - are the ones who should be holding their hands up right now and taking the whacks you are due, up to and including the sack. Have the good grace to admit your past failures and go with our thanks for the good times - or stay on and face a long and rancorous battle with the fans and press who will despise you for your failure to face up to your mistakes.
Ridsdale even - sort-of - admits that he lied to the manager. "When I gave Terry the assurance that Jonathan would
not be sold, it was in the belief and hopeful knowledge that we wouldn't have to sell another player. If Terry feels I let him down, he is fair to feel that. If he feels he was misled he may be right, but not deliberately so." So you're so incontrol of the business you don't know whether or not we need to sell a prized asset to stay operating? Where is MaxClifford when you need him to tell you to stop opening your mouth merely to change feet?
His final insult was to belittle the fans without whom the club
would be nothing. He pointed out the value of the bid was over
half the market capitalisation of the club - and more than the
club received in season ticket sales and more or less asked what
right we had to complain about Woody's sale.
Well why not go the whole hog and sell all the players, build a new supermarket on the ground (I'm sure Mr Leighton will be able to put you in touch with some interested developers) and wind the company up with one final dividend to the shareholders - who can then go home and stuff their cash in the mattress and hope they will get a better return? Ridsdale's contempt for the average fan seems to be showing through his old chummy facade now and he's clearly in thrall to the money men and has neither the intention nor desire to represent the fans' interests, or indeed remind the shareholders that the future goes beyond the next dividend payment. Resign now or face the bitterest battle of your life.
dont want to sound like im in parliament, but "here, here"
doesn't it annoy you alex that Newcastle, NEWCASTLE got Woodgate (H)
it would if i were you alex :)
its ok alex, you can always talk to me on msn and i can tell about how good Woodgate is going to be (H)
hah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ah ahaaha :hump:
Amika 01-02-2003, 10:36:AM Ridsdale is getting personal threat message from fans, and getting more personal security...
The Drovers Dog 01-02-2003, 12:44:PM "Ridsdale's contempt for the average fan seems to be showing through his old chummy facade now and he's clearly in thrall to the money men and has neither the intention nor desire to represent the fans' interests, or indeed remind the shareholders that the future goes beyond the next dividend payment. Resign now or face the bitterest battle of your life. "
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I think that it is all spelt out in the above paragraph. The "Hoard Board" at leeds will sell every player that they can to appease the financial/stockmarket gamblers, with no consideration to either the hard cash paying fans or the Clubs future, and then after it is all over most of Risedales cronies and Risedale himself will pack up and move on which could set the Club back perhaps 10 years or so before they cash up again and rebuild, i would hate to see this happen to any Club, but once that a club allows the big parasitic money dealers into there camp, this is what usually happens. --
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From the way that i see things in todays current Football scene, all this has been on the cards for the last 5 years or so, massive and inflated transfer prices, huge wage bills for the so called top players, player contracts that arn't worth the paper that thay are printed on, the Bosman deal that Bowyer was utillising, and the worst of all, those Evil player agencys who have just about destroyed any player integrity, have sprouted and bred like a swarm of all devouring locusts, hanging in there for the fast and easy commissions.
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Football should be above all of this, it is supposed to be the peoples game, our game, but at least a few of the Premier League sides have woken up to it all and are now starting to put into place sensible policy regarding there wage structures, and have also placed internal club limits on incoming player transfer prices, and even though these smaller Premier League sides don't win too much silver, at least they do stand a better chance of surviving as Football Clubs .. --
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Digitarius 01-02-2003, 08:02:PM The sale of Woodgate - for only £9 million - beggers belief. The other sales have either been really big money or involved players not really in the first team (Robbie Keane, Dacourt), or involved players who just wanted to leave (Bowyer).
The sale of Woodgate will leave Leeds short at the centre of defence. Duberry is no good and Radebe is getting on. Matteo is reliable but never, IMO, spectacular.
ShearerM4 01-02-2003, 09:56:PM http://www.nufc.premiumtv.co.uk/content/nufc/media/db/S25/202725.JPEG
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