View Full Version : Breakdown of the 1st round; Team ranking and Top Players


Zambrotta
21-06-2000, 11:14:PM
Yo, first off, this is MY personal opinion. If you don't like it argue and post your's.

Top teams: Portugal, France and Holland (second 180 minutes of 1st round)
Pretty Good teams: Italy, Romania, Yugoslavia, Czech Republic
Good to medium teams: Turkey, Spain and Slovenia
Disappointmens: Belgium, Sweden, England, Germany, Denmark, Norway

All-Team after 1st round:
Toldo-Thuram-Nesta-de Boer-Conceicao-Rui Costa-Davids-Zidane-Nedved-Milosevic-Henry

Kevin_SG
21-06-2000, 11:55:PM
Where is Figo? I feel he deserves to be on the all-team...

chrishaz
22-06-2000, 12:29:AM
Yeah, Have Figo for that lumbering, arguementative, over-rated, over-aggressive Davids (ok - mabey i over-exagerate, but he lets down what would be a good Dutch team)

I know swapping a defensive midfileder for an attacking one would change the team balance, but it would be more exciting

chris

Greekfanatic
22-06-2000, 12:29:AM
I agree with everything.....

Woody_007
22-06-2000, 12:50:AM
Chrishaz ..... did you see Davids today?? He is perfect for that midfield. But loose Nedved and put in Figo. I think Barthez or Van Der Sar has had a better tournement so far than Toldo.

GK: Barthez

LB: Thuram
CB: Nesta
RB: F DeBoer

LW: Zenden
LCM: Davids
CM: Rui Costa
RCM: Raul
RW: Figo

ST: Henry
ST: Kluivert

Zambrotta
22-06-2000, 08:45:AM
I know that Figo is better than Conceicao. But I couldn't leave a guy out who scored a hattrick on Germany...
And Nedved was fantastic.
Same goes for Toldo. I don't say this because he plays for my team, but with any other goalie Italy would have drawn with Belgium and Sweden. Seen that save on Andersson? This was the best save of the 1st round.

Hagi-10
22-06-2000, 01:13:PM
i think hakan sukur and rustu must be in the team.and surely figo.but maybe you thinkthat we only will play one more match

Schumacher
22-06-2000, 02:13:PM
I know England and Slovenia have been eliminated, but surely Beckham, and Zahovic should be on any best 11 so far.

Paolo_Rossi
22-06-2000, 02:42:PM
All-team first round .

Toldo--Nesta--Blanc--Maldini--Thuram--Figo--Sergio Conceicao--Davids--Zidane--Zahovic--Milosevic .

Zambrotta
22-06-2000, 04:37:PM
Beckham??????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????????????????????

And what did Sukur do besides those 2 goals? His 2 first matches were awful, sorry.

PolishPower
23-06-2000, 04:45:AM
Oh man so much to think about I will just make 2 choices:

Best team: Portugal
Best player: Zahovic

Mrkovic
23-06-2000, 05:23:AM
Woody Kluivert instead of Milosevic?? How can you make up such a stupid team...

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 08:33:AM
I agree that Kluivert is by far the better striker, but in the 1st round Milosevic was better.

Before you diss Kluivert: That guy is 24 and soon will have Van Basten's goal scoring record...

Mrkovic
23-06-2000, 03:42:PM
Milosevic is 26....

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 04:31:PM
Kluivert was born in 76, Milosevic in 73.
But that does not mean ****. Kluivert simply is far better, but you Yugophiliac will never accept that, go live on in your bubble.

Emerson
23-06-2000, 04:54:PM
shut up ho!! milosevic has shown in both, the spanish league and EURO that he is better than kluivert!! if he had those teammates to assist him, he would score much more goals, look at kluiverts teammates at barcelona

Paolo_Rossi
23-06-2000, 04:56:PM
hOW can u compare Kluivert to van Basten ?Van Basten was a former 30 goal scorer in serie A,not many have done that especially that serie A is considered as a defensive league .When Kluivert was with Milan ,he didnt score half of his goals and probably never will .He had trouble even scoring 15 goals in the spanish league .He is another overrated player .

Drinky UKSN
23-06-2000, 05:03:PM
Yes, Savo Milosevic is excellent, no matter what team he plays in, he always hits the target at every possible opportunity.

Ahem, Aston Villa, ahem.

Looks good now though.

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 05:38:PM
Kuivert was 21 when at Milan. Van Basten was 24 when he played his 1st full season. Van Basten played in the best Milan squad's ever, Kluivert's team finished not even in the UEFA cup.

And I did not say Kluivert is nearly as great as Van Basten (although he is a top-striker to me), I JUST SAID THAT SOON, AND AT ONLY 24, HE WILL BE HOLLAND'S ALL TIME GOAL SCORING LEADER.

READ WHAT I WRITE DORK!!!

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 05:39:PM
And how many goals would any striker score with Rivaldo and Figo on the team? They take up a good part of the offense, that's their strenght.
Do you really know ANYTHING about soccer?

Emerson
23-06-2000, 07:34:PM
You stupid piece of ****, don't tell me Gullit, Simoene, Donadoni, and Rijkaard didn't "take up a good part of offense" while they played in Milan with van Basten. So what you're sayin if a club has 3 world class offense players, one of them won't score many goals? To you Kluivert is one of the best in the world, I think he is too, but he isn't better than Milosevic. If he was he would score much more goals, WITH PLAYERS THAT TAKE A GOOD PART OF OFFENSE, LIKE VAN BASTEN DID!! Umm, first think then talk, in this case type. Milosevic was better than Kluivert in this tournament and in the Spanish league this season, so don't deny it!

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 07:52:PM
Emerson: no need to get ru(u)de. Gullit usually maxed out at 10 goals per season for Milan. Donadoni's average was 2, same for Rijkaard.

The reason why Van Basten got to score that many goals was because he often was their sole striker, and he played ahead of 3 offensive midfielders/wingers, who didn't really shoot the ball that well.

I admit that my phrase was not very luckily chosen, what I mean is that Rivaldo and Figo take up a good part of goalscoring.

You seem to think: Oh, just put in Batistuta, Ronaldo and Vieri and they'll alone score 60 goals. That is crap, as they take away shots from each other. If we'll see fully healthy Vieri and Ronaldo next year, I am sure that one will score 15 and the other 20, not more. If you play Vieri OR Ronaldo with let's say Pirlo up fornt, then and only then he'll give you over 25 goals.

It depends on who is the 1st option, and at Barca Rivaldo is the 1st man, so you can't compare that.

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 08:00:PM
Oh yes, Paolo Rossi: Kluivert had 13 goals in his last 14 caps (or something like that).

You go ahead and think that players like Inzaghi are better than him...

And what the **** do you think Kluivert will be when he scores 2 other goals for Holland, I guess at 24 he should be able to do that before his career is over.

His 1-1 striker vs. France: pure class. Didn't see Milosevic do that...oh wait, the goal vs. Norway was great, wasn't it???

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 08:06:PM
By the way, I don't remember Diego SimEone play for Milan.

Anyhow, if you need some other help, here is the standard linup for Van Bastens Milan:

GK Galli/Rossi
RB Tassotti
SW Baresi
CB Costcurta
LB Maldini
RM Donadoni
DM Rijkaard
CM Ancelotti/Albertini
LM Evani
AM Gullit
CF Van Basten

THEY USUALLY PLAYED WITH 1 FORWARD. BESIDES GULLIT, AND OCCASIONALLY THE SUBS SIMONE AND MASSARO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A PLAYER WHO COULD SCORE ON AN EMPTY GOAL!

Guess why when Van Basten was injured they had so many problems. With "strikers" like Borgonovo even you should understand that...

Emerson
23-06-2000, 08:20:PM
LOL, right, and I was like 6 or 7 when Basten played for Milan so why should i remember.

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 08:34:PM
Then you surely know what you're talking about.

Mrkovic
23-06-2000, 08:44:PM
He is overrated like most of the Holland national side. Calling him the next Van Basten, is just stupid....

[This message has been edited by Mrkovic (edited 06-23-2000).]

Zambrotta
23-06-2000, 09:15:PM
WHEN DID I CALL HIM THE NEXT VAN BASTEN???
WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN WHEN??????????????

I PLAINLY SAID HE WILL BREAK VAN BASTEN'S RECORD, WHICH DOES NOT MEAN THAT HE IS BETTER.

VAN BASTEN WAS THE BEST STRIKER I EVER GOT TO SEE, KLUIVERT IS AMONG THE BEST NOW.

DID I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR?????

AGAIN: KLUIVERT IS NOT BETTER THAN VAN BASTEN, BUT HE'LL BE HOLLAND'S TOP SCORER SOON, AND THAT AT 24.

Paolo_Rossi
24-06-2000, 06:57:AM
Hey dork,Kluivert will never be the dutch greatest scorer ,he is crap with barca .All Barca's goals were mostly scored by rivaldo .Kluivert will never score more than 15 goals in a season .He was the reason why barca got kicked by Valencia .If they had a better striker than him,Barca would of won the CL.

Kewell the Jewell
24-06-2000, 03:00:PM
mrkovic are you trying to act stupid or something????

read other peoples posts before you reply and dont start swearing at me now or make some even stupidier comment than what youve already said!