then ask Abelardo.
Or better yet, ask Abelardo's chiropractor.

hat trick :P goooooooo ronnie!

yeh. he promised goals and boy are they coming. its almost like one a week. how can he not be contributing anything to real madrid?

He needed some time to settle in Madrid, but looks like he is getting back to his best if he is not already at his best.

ronaldo at best is a average player. put other strikers in his position and theyll finish too. madrid should just give up using ronaldo and use raul with guti

ronaldo has finally found his form and there is no doubt that by next season he will be among the three best strikers in the world. To add to that he is over wieght and if he can lose it he would regain more of his ability. At best he is among Henry as the best striker in the world and at worst he is an average player.

The move to Real Madrid was probably what Ronaldo really need to rejuvinate his career after his long injury layoff and it has definatly worked as now his is an integral part of the Madrid attack.;)

I still think he is the best striker in the world and he showed that in the world class turnament, nough said

yeah ronaldo is good but i think he should be scoring more goals for madrid!

On form he is the best striker in the world, better than Henry, Better than Shevchenko, Better than everyone.

We all know that, the guy had teams at his mercy when he played for PSV and Barca. His career at inter was cut short however.

But at the moment, he is not at top form, Diego Tristan scored a hat-trick against them last week, but i say he still is yet to reclaim his top form(which also held teams at mercy for the past couple seasons, and his downfall is probably the reason why Depor is not as strong as they were the last couple seasons)

the year he was playing for Barcelona he was really impressive, now he's around 70% of that level and he still can make the difference; anyway Alaves' defence is a shame these days, last week Tristan also scored a hat-trick (and Makaay another 2 goals and Luque another goal more) against them

At his best, Ronaldo is undoubtedly the best striker in the world. At the moment, he is far from his best, but he's still scoring goals and creating chances. He is, I believe, yet to achieve full fitness.

When I read some of these anti-Ronaldo comments, I swear Ronaldo has tried to bed some members girlfriends.

The guy leads Real in scoring despite starting the season late and having no pre-season training.
And yet some of these same individuals who knock Ronaldo,praise Raul to the high heavens.

The absurd argument that other strikers scored goals aginst that team so it devalues his performance is ludicrous.
You saw it in living colour the difference between the previous best striker in Spain (Raul), and the best now (Ronaldo).

Raul is a junkyard striker.
Ronaldo is an art collector.

Some of you said on-form he's better. I totally agree, but off-form he is better too. I think the guy who said he's average is having fun, because , whatever.

On a totally unrelated matter. Go ManU!

just read from a site that Ronaldo has the 2nd highest scoreing rate in La Liga, rite behind Makaay from Depor.

Originally posted by taptone
ronaldo at best is a average player. put other strikers in his position and theyll finish too. madrid should just give up using ronaldo and use raul with guti

You have got to be kidding me(& yourself), WHAT!!!!,cut the guy some slack,i can understand that certain ppl dont like him for whatever reasons,..but average?:kader:. I still think hes got to lose a couple of pounds though, but other than that, stop hatin' on a playa :mrpimp:

Originally posted by jigger37
stop hatin' on a playa :mrpimp:



Hahaha!!!

Sometimes you can't be more articulate than hip-hop.

That sums it up perfectly.
But is he really as fat as he looks?
How can you be that overweight coming off the world cup and training every day. Blimey; he must live on snickers.

I'm not against him at all. I even say he is world class being at 70% of his former level.
If you are thrilled about yesterday's hat-trick it's up to you, but I remember him playing before the injuries and he was unstoppable. Now he depends a lot of the game style; he's still faster than the average defender so he's very dangerous when he is able to run, but when the match is 0-0 and the other team is defending near the goal he is lost; when Real Madrid have a game like that (usually at home) Ronaldo is absent and Real Madrid fans get angry with him.

how can you say raul isnt as good as ronaldo. put raul up front for a while, and we'll see who scores more goals. raul has the scent to score goals, and he does score them. there is a reason he leads the spanish national team with goals, and he still has many good years left in him.

do you want me to say it again.

I mean Raul is obviously a good player. Real Madrid might even say he is a great player, but he is not even close to Ronaldo.
There is not a single trait that Raul has that Ronaldo doesn't exceed.

Pace, skill, shooting power (with both feet), heading, control, strength.

Raul = Owen.

Some people will call them great, others will say "huh!"

Vieri......... 21 goals in less matches........ in the toughest league....... In a team he is carrying.........

So he is averaging almost a goal a game.

Vieri is averaging more than that, and is on track to break the all time Serie A record for goals in a season. Yet no one votes Vieri as FIFA player of the year. No one tries to call him the worlds best striker.

Is Ronaldo bloody good, yes. But it seems all he has to achive is what any other top striker does, and he automaticly gets called the worlds best.

Ther are other players around in Europe who are doing exactly what Ronaldo do, some even better (though not many), but its always Ronaldo who gets all the praise.

Originally posted by antithesis
Raul = Owen.

Umm..No :kader:
Raúl is not like Owen in my opinion..Hes 2 times better :p

If your complaining vieri doesn't get enough attention, then how about makaay or beattie? How often do you hear of Nonda or Kovacevic? They are all great finishers with lots of talent no doubt, but the reason why I like Ronaldo more, is because he is more enjoyable to watch.... He has the potential to just burn defenders like nothing, and while vieri can score 3 headers or tap-ins in a game, I would take one of Ronaldo's run's from midfield over that any day :P I watch the game because it is enjoyable to watch, and after saying that some players are simply more enjoyable to watch.

internazional: vieri is a top striker when on form but you cant compare him with ronaldo .. ronaldo is a league above mate .. i've always suported him after i fell in love with him in 97 (when i was 11 years old) & its really nice to see him doing those shimmy's again :)

anyone in here who is badmouthing him : it doesnt matter because at the end of the day, HE is the one playing for the best club side in the world & HE is the one making his $$$ :)

I think most people are missing the point..........Ronaldo was not in top form at the world cup.........Ronaldo is not in top form now and still the man strikes at least a little chill on opposing defenses, like someone said, when he gets to be 100%, baring any misfortune that could happen by late this season he will be THE best striker in the world hands down......its amazing he has 13 goals (Maakay has 19) and he's at about 65 -70% and out of shape.

Now, to compare Raul and Ronaldo is an injustice, both tactically and Real Madrid-wise they are completelly different players, you just cannot compare them.........Raul is an opportunistic striker, he has that uncanny ability to smell goals before they happen and he pounces and seldom misses chances he's like a lion always around, stalking; and of course he the soul of Real Madrid.......then Ronaldo is a much more explosive player, he can be off most of a game but suddenly he has these crazed burst of brilliance that leave us all dumbfounded, usually those bursts land him goals.....

uh before it leaves my mind..........an annecdote of why Ronaldo is so great, picture this and draw your own conclusions:


-It is the final game of the Copa America 1997 in Bolivia. More than 50,000 crazed Bolivians have packed the Fernando Siles to watch their National team battle Brazil for the title of Champions of the Americas. The game is played at more than 2,500 meters above sea level in La Paz, the highest stadium in the world and one where Bolivia has lost only five times since the association entered FIFA in the mid thirties......


The game is a constant back and forth Battle, but Brazil strikes first, early in the game, the crowd quiets, but then before the break, after a masterful freekick Bolivia has tied the score. During the halftime break the stadium is said to be so loud that Zagalo had to scream his instructions to the Brazilians in the lockeroom....

Second half starts and the game its deadlocked. Ronaldo, Brazil's star has been shut out by two defenders on man to man marking most of the game.............then at around the 74th minute with the Brazilians fading from a lack of oxigen and Bolivia confident towards extra time, Ronaldo takes the ball around midfield....quick one two before he's off and running between two defenders, he goes by one man before he sends a bullet towards the top right corner that sails past the bolivian Keeper....


Only five minutes later, Ronaldo takes off in another great run and he's thru and with space, he eludes two, then takes the ball towards the middle of the box and sinks a low shot just wide enough to scape Trucco's hands..........Brazil are the new champions of America!!!!!!!!!!!


Ronaldo at his best!!!:rockman: :rockman:

BooTiFuL! :crazyboy:

To say that Raul = Owen is the funniest comparison I've ever heard.

Raul is a class player. You might think that Ronaldo is better than him, which some people agree (I disagree, because I think they're different and difficult to compare) but Raul is miles ahead of Owen.

lol thats funny .. who compared Raul with owen? owen is sooooo overrated it makes me sick

Originally posted by MuRcY[b]
lol thats funny .. who compared Raul with owen?

That's what I am asking, because I didn't.

I wrote:
Raul = Owen.

Some people will call them great, others will say "huh!"


Which means exactly what it says. Some people think they are great players, and some think they are extremely over-rated.

Obviously Digi and you think Owen is an "huh?"

Of course if you compared both their international and domestic records it might make both of you look silly.
I have no opinion because I think they are both "huhs?"

Some players just fit perfectly in a particular team.

Owen out of form, yes, overrated, no.

Why people don't respect the Premiership as a tough league is beyond me. Man United regularly beat Seria A sides in Europe and United aren't the best team in the Premiership.

La Liga is the best league in the world, anyone who scores goals there is proper quality, Tristan, Raul, Ronaldo.

Strange that the Spanish national team is such an underachiever but thats for another thread

Originally posted by Jiffy
Owen out of form, yes, overrated, no.

Why people don't respect the Premiership as a tough league is beyond me. Man United regularly beat Seria A sides in Europe and United aren't the best team in the Premiership.

La Liga is the best league in the world, anyone who scores goals there is proper quality, Tristan, Raul, Ronaldo.

Strange that the Spanish national team is such an underachiever but thats for another thread

Underachiever?? oh u mean when they got cheated out of the world cup cuz if that damn ref whould have been fair then we whould not have seen Brazil as chapionships, Spain whould have won they have a great squad and it was all the refs falut.

As for Ronaldo yes he is coming back, hes form is coming togeather and i can't wait to see how he does next year.

raul has the scent to score goals, and he does score them. there is a reason he leads the spanish national team with goals, and he still has many good years left in him.

PELE- is the all-time scoring leader for Brazil, Romario second, Zico 3rd and RONALDO comes in 4th (Only one goal away from tying ZICO)...

Who did RAUL surpass??? a NOBODY by the name of Butragueño!

Butraguelño is not in the same league as the 4 Brazilian players above!!!


RONALDO at 70% won the World Cup...he is only 26, can you imagine just how many more Ballon D' Oros will he win? how many more FIFA Player of the years, Copa Americas, Confederation Cups, liguas, CL's, Intercontinentals, and WORLD CUPS will he win??? JUST how many more??? IMO plenty MORE...

At the end Of RONALDO'S career he will be (actually he already is the winniest soccer player in history) (individually wise)!!! The fact is that when RONALDO retires...he will be named the FIFTH KING OF SOCCER...along side with Di Stefano, Pele, Cruyff, and Maradona. RONALDO is that DAMN GOOD FOR SURE!!!

I thought Raul passed Hierro?! Who BTW, is a legend of the game.

Yes Owen is over-rated, without his pace he is Nothing more than average, and even with his pace, he seems very average.

The difference between Vieri and Raul, or Ronaldo for that matter is, Vieri is one of those guys who is there at the right time. I believe hes yet to score a goal in CL in 5 years or is it 6?! Vieri and Inzaghi have huge totals because all they need is for their foot to touch the ball. Yet when they celebrate they just acted if they scored a goal of the calibre of Raul against Valencia in the CL final.

Ronaldo is a great player, theres no doubting it, hes an artist. But Raul plays different positions, hes the ultimate team leader, the great team player. Hes often the Deep Forward, who's forced to hold up the ball, but he does it like it aint no thang

Raul, for me, is sheer class. He sometimes fail to produce when you expect him to, which is why I think a lot of people don't think much of him.

Owen is overrated. He has genuine pace but other than that his other attributes are only slightly above average. He does score a lot of goals but then it's mainly his pace that gets him away into those chances for him to score. If he loses his pace with age he might struggle to hit the same sort of ratio as he does now.

I'm a die hard INter fan (as u can probably tell) but I don't see Vieri as the World's best striker, though I think Ronaldo is a better loan striker than Vieri anyday. But IMO the best striker on earth is Thierry Henry, he has the touches, the dribbling, the passes, the shot, and definately the style, no one comes close 2 him, he is just so good in so many different striker things unlike Ronaldo and Vieri.... I would want to sign him immediately if I was in charge of Inter, though over Arsenal's dead body:( :D (H)

anybody's for sale.
How much money ya got?

1780 million punds mininum. plus 500000 pounds per week as compensation paid directly to the club =) ;)

Originally posted by Dagoods
RONALDO at 70% won the World Cup...he is only 26, can you imagine just how many more Ballon D' Oros will he win?

I just want to ask you, do you think Ronaldo was a worthy winner of the Ballon D'or last year? I know he is a class striker, i know he had a good World Cup. But seriously, i believe Michael Ballack would of been a more worthy winner.

Maybe if Leverkusen had of won 1 or 2 of the things they were in contention for, he probably would of.

As any number of people have said, Ronaldo won the euro/fifa player of the year ONLY because of the WC.

Ballack on the otherhand had a good WC, except for the final, and a brilliant club season, he is the more deserving, I mean Kahn had an average club season, and zidane had a good goal at the end of the season, but the award goes to one who plays supremely for BOTH club and country, not one or the other.

Well, Ronaldo is good, and so is any other player who is playing regularly for there club and country.

I just want to add one thing, that in the future, we will have a new king, and he is Javier Saviola

Originally posted by finger
As any number of people have said, Ronaldo won the euro/fifa player of the year ONLY because of the WC.

Ballack on the otherhand had a good WC, except for the final, and a brilliant club season, he is the more deserving, I mean Kahn had an average club season, and zidane had a good goal at the end of the season, but the award goes to one who plays supremely for BOTH club and country, not one or the other.

Ballack was suspended for the WC Final i believe, kind of a really hard punishment, due to the fact that it was the final he got suspended for. That is a whole new thread in itself, nether-the-less, you gotta play by the rules.

But Kahn had an extremely good WC, without him and Ballack, who scored the winners against Korea and USA, they wouldnt have made the final. You could almost state that as a fact.

about the FIFA award I'd send it to Roberto Carlos, he won Champions League, World Cup (both clubs and national teams) and European SuperCup; if not him, Ballack also deserved it

As any number of people have said, Ronaldo won the euro/fifa player of the year ONLY because of the WC.

Yes, let me explain why!!! In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award??? Well Paolo Rossi did he have a good season before the World CUp? NO!!! because he was BANNED from soccer for gabbling but returned in TIME for WC 82 what did he do after the World Cup for Juventus absolutely NOTHING...

in 1996 Ronaldo scored 30 goals in 33 games for PSV...and he won the DUTCH CUP or something...and well RONALDO IMO was already the best player on EARTH in 96. However, who won Ballon D' Or that year??? MATTHIAS SAMMER why? because he had a successful year with his club and won the EUROCUP with Germany??? MATTHIAS SAMMER over RONALDO??? COME ON!!!

Ronaldo should have won this award in 96 without a shadow of a doutb. No question in 97 and well 02 is debatable. Keep in mind this man was out for nearly 2 years RETURNS scores 7 goals in 10 games FOR INTER...losing the scudetto in the final game. Everyone was talking about France and Henry (Premier League top scorer) and Trezguet (Serie A top scorer) to dominate the world cup, names like Owen, Raul, and Vieri were favorites to end up goal scorers as well. However, out of nowhere RONALDO ended up top scorer and Brazil won their FIFTH WC trophy. If Rossi won this award in 82 and Zidane in 98 (for scoring 2 GOALS in the final against BRazil) why NOT RONALDO??? who SCORED 8 goals in WC competition 2 in the final, 7 out 10 goals in serie A, and won an INTERCONTINENTAL Cup with Real Madrid (scoring the opening goal and became the games most valuable player!!!

Look at him now...lately he is playing like the RONALDO of old. I believe he was a WORTHY WINNER!!! Compared to others in the past...I believe RONALDO is a worthy winner...I bet if he had NOT gone to Real Madrid, NO ONE would be complaining...

Well said mate.

So, around 17 games was good enough for Ronaldo to win the Ballon D'or, which is an award based on a players performace in all competitions over 1 year. Yup, very worthy. *Note the sarcasm*

uh dude, did you miss the whole bit how subjective the Ballon D'oro thing is?...under those standards Ronaldo was a worthy winner

Well said, Dagoods

In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award???

Just because Paolo Rossi undeservingly won the award in 1982 doesn't mean that Ronaldo deservingly won the award in 2002.

in 1996 Ronaldo scored 30 goals in 33 games for PSV...and he won the DUTCH CUP or something

Henryk Larsson scored with a better ratio and won the title with Celtic, so then should he be awarded with the Player of the Year award straight away then?

MATTHIAS SAMMER why? because he had a successful year with his club and won the EUROCUP with Germany??? MATTHIAS SAMMER over RONALDO??? COME ON!!!

Isn't that how you judge a player by? He had a successful year with both club and country. Sammer is a great player, one of the most underrated defensive players the world has ever seen. His influence on the national side cannot be disputed, and he is a great sweeper, bringing the impossible - or near impossible - to Borussia Dortmund, beating favourites Juventus in the final.

Ronaldo should have won this award in 96 without a shadow of a doutb.

I would say that there's more than a shadow of doubt.

Keep in mind this man was out for nearly 2 years RETURNS scores 7 goals in 10 games FOR INTER...losing the scudetto in the final game.

I'm not doubting that Ronaldo is a great, if not legendary player. Indeed I've expressed this in this thread. He is a great player. But just because he made a great recovery from an injury doesn't make him an automatic choice for player of the year.

If Rossi won this award in 82 and Zidane in 98 (for scoring 2 GOALS in the final against BRazil) why NOT RONALDO???

Again, only because other players have been given the award undeservingly doesn't mean that Ronaldo has won it deservingly.

Originally posted by Dagoods
Yes, let me explain why!!! In 1982 a guy by the name of Paolo Rossi who scored 6 goals in that WC won this award??? Well Paolo Rossi did he have a good season before the World CUp? NO!!! because he was BANNED from soccer for gabbling but returned in TIME for WC 82 what did he do after the World Cup for Juventus absolutely NOTHING...

but there's a difference, without rossi.... there is no way that italy would have won the world cup. on the other hand, anyone would have scored most of the goals in ronaldo's place, and you'd find that brazil would still have won the world cup.

Again, only because other players have been given the award undeservingly doesn't mean that Ronaldo has won it deservingly


Okay then, why B!TCH and complain about ROnaldo winning he 2002 Ballon D' Or edition? If others in the past have gotten this award "undeservedly " why not RONALD? Who by the WAY scored 2 GOALS in a WC final, and ended up TOP SCORER, won an INTERCONTINENTAL cup with his new club...(MVP of the game),
IMO these are enough merits...

Michael Ballack went 0 for 3. 3 FINALS and he won NOTHING...Roberto Carlos only won so much because one...he plays for Real Madrid who are always buying TALENT in order to win...(NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT)...However, if you were to put Maldini in his place...I bet Real Madrid would of won as much or MORE...2. He won with Brazil...AGAIN put anyone in his place...(MALDINI) and I bet the results would be the same...

No ORDINARY SOCCER player could have DONE what RONALDO did. Only greats are able to perform the way Ronaldo did in the WC.

True Dagoods........the fact remains that I think recovering from a possible career threatening injury is merit enough to get player of the year......Remember that retirement was a very real possibily for Ronaldo at the height of his problems !!


Let us thing Marco Van Basten for a second, a damned injury ended a brilliant career, even Figo himself ever since his injuries he hasnt been the same.........For a player to regain any kind of level after serious surgeries and injuries is an amazing feat. For a player to do that and then perform at the level Ronaldo did in the World Cup or the way he has been coming around for Madrid is even more astounding.....



And to say that 'ANYBODY' could have scored The goals that gave Brazil the Penta is simply and absolutely ridiculous, is like saying you could replace Raul with some fat drunk in Madrid and get the same results he does.......

Granted, SOME players in Brazil's long waiting list could have replaced Ronaldo (like Romario yet another legend), and get good result, but I dont think they would have lifted the team the way Ronaldo did. It was a situation where almost nobody belived in the team (Brazil) or in the player (Ronaldo) both came thru is shining fashion

Well Said, King Paul V!!!

Did you see Ronaldo today? even though he played 45 mins...I think he had a good game.

I cannot wait to see him against my favorite defender (MALDINI) when those two go against each other they put up a GOOD DAMN SHOW!!!

Reality is this...people FAIL to give Ronaldo credit for what he has achieved...Instead of people giving him credit for him being the MOST WINNIEST Soccer player in history (individual awards wise) instead people are STILL on his case for leaving INTERMILAN...People called him a mercenary...among other names. Well than how come people were not complaining when JOHAN CRUYFF left Ajax for Barcelona??? or when Maradona left Boca for Barcelona and later on he left Barcelona for NAPOLI??? Di Stefano ended up playing for Atletico Madrid (I think)...Pele retired from Santos and later played for COSMOS....THe reason why Ronaldo did not stay at Barcelona was because Barcelona was reluctant to pay him the millions which he was worth. Furthermore, he left Inter because he was sick of mediocracy. Therefore, he joined the greatest soccer club in history.

Ronaldo- 2 Ballon D'Or (1 one away from tying Cruyff, Platini, and Van Basten), 3 Fifa Player of the year, 2 eleven of gold, 3 World Soccer Award player of the year, 12 goals in WC competition (3 away from surpassing Gerd Muller's 14 goals) he has won 2 World Cups, 2 Copa Americas, and so many more trophies...

GIVE THE MAN CREDIT...YOU CANNOT WIN as much as Ronaldo in soccer if you are NOT ANY GOOD!!! IMO he is already the best player on EARTH.

Originally posted by Dagoods
Michael Ballack went 0 for 3. 3 FINALS and he won NOTHING...Roberto Carlos only won so much because one...he plays for Real Madrid who are always buying TALENT in order to win...(NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT)...However, if you were to put Maldini in his place...I bet Real Madrid would of won as much or MORE...2. He won with Brazil...AGAIN put anyone in his place...(MALDINI) and I bet the results would be the same...

No ORDINARY SOCCER player could have DONE what RONALDO did. Only greats are able to perform the way Ronaldo did in the WC.

Ballack won nothing but he reached 3 finals with a club like Bayer Leverkusen that you should know it's not a superpowerful team, but if you only consider tropheys it's ok for me. Now you say R. Carlos' tropheys doesn't count because he was playing for good teams and anyother would have won the same playing instead of him. That's a good one because you could say exactly the same about Ronaldo.
Do you really think Brazil playing with Romario (just an example) instead of Ronaldo would be able to lose the World Cup?

Thierry Henry, Thierry Henry, Thierry Henry

That's a good one because you could say exactly the same about Ronaldo.

Romario would of NEVER scored 8 goals...he scored 5 goals in WC94 and he was at his best. Romario in 94 at least would RUN, however NOW...the ref...does more running than ROMARIO.


Who? Henry? Well how many GOALS did he score for FRANCE? this past WC? 0! (okay you may say, Zidane wasn't there from the start of the tournament TRUE, but in WC 98 how many did goald did HENRY end up with ONLY 3)...No other STRIKER "of today" could have done what Ronaldo did. Vieri, Raul, Henry, Owen, Trezeguet, Van Nistrelooy, etc....are NOT GIFTED as RONALDO. RONALDO has SUBLIME ball CONTROL and SKILLS...he can finish with either FEET...and SUPERB speed. Unfortunately, all the other strikers DO NOT have the complete package...

Let me make this more simple...Ronaldo from 94-99 was the biggest in SOCCER (rightfuly so)... afterwards, the ZIDANE era began...00-02. However, howcome Herny, Raul, Vieri, and others were not able to TAKE over RONALDO'S spotlight??? if they were so good? Now tha RONALDO is back he has BECOME number 1 again...He will reign supreme for the following years. 02-?? I'm project until 2008. From now on until 2008 Ronaldo will be the soccer's BRIGHEST and BIGGEST ICON on EARTH.

Roberto Carlos is an ABOMINATION to the word defense. LEGENDS like, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini never won a BALLON D' OR...IMO opinion all of the three deserved one. You see, Roberto Carlos is NOT in the same league as Franz Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini...These 4 are the best 4 defenders in HISTORY...and only 1 out the 4 won the Ballon D'Or award (Beckenbauer won it twice)... If Roberto Carlos had won this award I would of committed suicide...because he is truly an ABOMINATION to the defense...On the other hand RONALDO is the best STRIKER on EARTH and lately he is playing like what he truly is...."THE BEST PLAYER ON EARTH"!!! Roberto Carlos is not even the best player in his position...

Mate, you can never convince some of these people.

Football fans rarely see truth.
The same Lpool fans who think Jeffers is a cheat, praised Owen for his sprawling dive against Argentina.

The fans who think Ronaldo is a waste would jump to heaven if he were a player on their team.

The bottomline is the facts you listed.
He wins wherever he plays and score against whomever he opposes, and to be honest, I think he is better than Zidane, because Zidane tackles less than a quarterback.
Admittedly Zidane is the best offensive midfielder, but i'll take Totti and Vieria over Zidane if the team wasn't as strong as Real.
That's going to start another debate now.

On the other hand Ronaldo does everything you expect of a striker.
There are times when opposing teams attack Real and they keep three defenders back to mark Ronaldo.
That alone is worth 10 million pounds, because he is limiting the offensive capability of any opponent by his mere presence.

I think he is better than Zidane, because Zidane tackles less than a quarterback.

I agree, IMO RONALDO has been, is, and forever will be better than ZIDANE. Zidane is an excellent AM, however he is not better than IL FENOMENO RONALDO. Real Madrid are steam rolling right now...NEXT YEAR they will be even tougher to beat... They will go and sign a couple of good DEFENDERS perhaps Samuel and Chivu...or get Joaquin to replace the aging Figo...and RONALDO will be 100 percent FIT. Moreover, hee will have a further better understanding with his teammates on the pitch. I see RONALDO winning his RECORD TYING and BREAKING Third Ballon D'Or NEXT YEAR (he will tie Cruyff, Platini, and Van Basten) (He will become the only NON-EUROPEAN player to have won this award for a third time, currently he is tied with Alfredo Di Stefano for having won this award twice). Perhaps if Real Madrid wins the Champions League, and la Ligua (which by the way I think they've already won) then May Be Ronald will win his third Ballon D'Or next. However, I would like for AC MILAN to win the Champions League this year. Maldini deserves to raise that trophy at least once more. My heart is with AC MILAN but my money is on Real Madrid.

PS. Brazil will have the chance to win the Confederations Cup...they'll most likely will face France at Stade De France...RONALDO'S REDEMPTION!!! If Brazil wins...then I can assure you that Ronaldo will once again win ballon d'or and why not?

Ronaldo will most likely end up 2nd or 1st in la ligua...most likely Real Madrid will win la ligua...the champions league, intercontinental cup, supercup, spain's supercup, and a Confederations Cup with Brazil...WHY NOT? However, winning that Champions League is KEY. (I would prefer for Maldini to raise that CUP though). But if he doesn't than FORZA RONALDO!!!

You are all calling him a striker? What kind of ****s that? He's a forward. Like Henry. Van Nistelrooy/Shearer are strikers.

He is could be a STIKER/FOWARD/CF.....


He is that damn good!!!

Originally posted by Dagoods
He is could be a STIKER/FOWARD/CF.....


He is that damn good!!!

calm down mate

Ronaldo is a superb player, one of the best, but saying all that sh1t about Roberto Carlos shows how scarce is your football wisdom

LOL oh man this i funny have u read recently in the papers that Ronaldo admitted that he was not better then Zidane and that Zidane is a wonder playmaker and is very valuable to Real Madrid so there i guess he is not better then zidane lol.(H) :D

Ronaldo is a superb player, one of the best, but saying all that sh1t about Roberto Carlos shows how scarce is your football wisdom

How can you possibly think, "ROBERTO CARLOS" is better than Paolo Maldini??? hell Maldini is LIGHT YEARS way better than RC...Roberto Carlos is a frustrated centerfoward who was NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play that position, his passes are not always that ACCURATE therefore, he plays in the LB position...He is not in the same league as Franz Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini??? Who in their right minds would actually AGREE that RC is in the same league as the players which I mentioned above??? NOT even Roberto Carlos HIMSELF!!!
Roberto Carlos is a cheap imitation of Carlos Alberto who by the way was a better defender than Roberto Carlos...Do you possibly think that by the age of 35... Roberto Carlos would be still playing for REAL MADRID??? NO WAY!!! He would probably be retired by then...HOWEVER, SAN PAOLO MALDINI is the CAPTAIN of AC MILAN...and right now IMO he is the best DEFENDER in the WORLD!!!


LOL oh man this i funny have u read recently in the papers that Ronaldo admitted that he was not better then Zidane

LOL!!! Well RONALDO was simply being HUMBLE...

PELE (the greatest player of all-time) once said "George Best is the best ever" COME ON!!! now...if you believe that George Best is the greatest ever than you have serious problems...

I have never heard any player say that 'they' are the best.
But he saw Zidane up close in Italy, and was close enough to view the two Zidane headers in the WC Final, and he said, get this, "Rivaldo is the best player in the world".

I think he repeated it after the last World Cup, so maybe we should not really take Ronaldo too seriously, lol.
Having said that, it's definitely between Zidane, Ronaldo and Rivaldo, although the more I see Cudicini; he might be considered for the unofficial acclaim in a couple years.

Ronaldo doesn't play, he pretends to play. I think he is over-rated and a poser. No offence to anyone.

I dont think he is overrated and stop using caps to say stuff its getin anyyoing... I do like ronaldo as to he is gettin back in form. Now as for the best mid it has to be Zidane, he is an awsome playmaker and he can control the ball from any angel or how ever fast it is coming. He has one hell of a shot as well. At Real there best forward right now is Ronaldo, Best mid is Zidane, Best Defender is Hierror ( even thou they need a better defence) and there keeper is also very good.

But i think Zidane is the best player on Real Madrid just as Totti is in Roma.

Totti is nowhere near the best player at Roma. As a Roma fan, and a Totti fan, I feel he needs to leave Rome to get the best out of him. In the 2001 season, he won the scudetto alone. However, with his repuation for going down quicker than Jenna Jameson, he's nothing. He has had a poor season, the only good match I have seen him play was Roma v Valencia 2 weeks ago.

Real should cash in on Figo while they can, then bring in Totti.

As for Ronaldo, he is inconsistant, on the day, he can be the best player in the world, other times, he's terrible. He even admitted that in an interview with world soccer, he is prone to making lots of general mistakes.

wat r u talking about i said at Roma Totti is the best they have at the moment in the club ok i dont see anyone else that is better in Roma so i have to say he is and i also like Totti.

Ronaldo is out of shape.......that's that, A Ronaldo in full throttle will dance around any defense like he did for Barca and PSV and that is a fact!

Dagoods you are the most biast prick i have ever seen. Not everyone loves Ronaldo and Maldini as much as you do. They are good players, but you seem to think they are the only football players in the world.

Originally posted by Dagoods
How can you possibly think, "ROBERTO CARLOS" is better than Paolo Maldini??? hell Maldini is LIGHT YEARS way better than RC...Roberto Carlos is a frustrated centerfoward who was NOT GOOD ENOUGH to play that position, his passes are not always that ACCURATE therefore, he plays in the LB position...He is not in the same league as Franz Beckenbauer, Bobby Moore, Franco Baresi, and Paolo Maldini??? Who in their right minds would actually AGREE that RC is in the same league as the players which I mentioned above??? NOT even Roberto Carlos HIMSELF!!!
Roberto Carlos is a cheap imitation of Carlos Alberto who by the way was a better defender than Roberto Carlos...Do you possibly think that by the age of 35... Roberto Carlos would be still playing for REAL MADRID??? NO WAY!!! He would probably be retired by then...HOWEVER, SAN PAOLO MALDINI is the CAPTAIN of AC MILAN...and right now IMO he is the best DEFENDER in the WORLD!!!


If you need to talk about past time players we are going to think you are unable to name a better LB than Roberto Carlos (you said before he wasn't even the best at his position); Maldini WAS a great LB but he is not playing at that spot anymore, I guess that's because he has lost speed.
You are very happy with those awards that Ronaldo is collecting but tell me, how many of them Maldini has?

And about the age, do you really think Ronaldo will be playing at Real Madrid when he be 35? I don't think you are so naive

19 November 2002 09:49


MILAN - The talk in Tuttosport is of Paolo Maldini's joy, after being awarded the Gianni Brera award as the best athlete of the year:

'I'm proud of this award because it comes after a difficult season for me, in which I was not at my best when I played the World Cup. It means that you went beyond the simple performance on the pitch and I'm very pleased'.


That's ANOTHER AWARD which Roberto Carlos will never win...

Paolo Maldini is the greatest left back in history...he was selected by the FIFA COMMITTEE and by the fans...into the ALL-TIME WORLD XI TEAM..Paolo Maldini is the only defender to have won WOrld Soccer World player of the year Award...He is by far a better defender than Roberto Carlos ever was...i don't know if you heard but it seems that Roberto Carlos is getting SHIPPED to Juverntus for Edgar Davids...now that would be an extremely great trade for Real Madrid. Paolo Maldini will have his jersey retired in AC MILAN...5 years from now NO-ONE will remember Roberto Carlos...

Ronaldo is only 26...by age 35 GOD knows...where he'll be playing...MAY BE in REAL MADRID MAY BE NOT...who KNOWS...Look at Hierro he is pushing 50 and that old geeser is still playing...

I will have to agree here, Roberto Carlos is a rejected striker. He would be better playing as a winger imo. Maldini is simply out of this world.

Ronaldo started out as a keeper and was rejected, now look at him.

ronaldo? keeper? where the hell did u hear that from? ronaldo never liked playing defence in his life apparently .. in one interview he was talking about how he never went back to help defend & all this other stuff ..

bzzzt U R WRONG :kader:

http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_01.jpg

http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_04.jpg

Vieri, Raul, and Henry can only DREAM of winning these awards...

Yes, they can only dream, especially when Brazil have FIFA on their knees sucking up.

Originally posted by MuRcY[b]
ronaldo? keeper? where the hell did u hear that from? ronaldo never liked playing defence in his life apparently .. in one interview he was talking about how he never went back to help defend & all this other stuff ..

bzzzt U R WRONG :kader:

When he started off at Cruizero, that was when he was 16, before that, he was a keeper, in training they stuck him upfront and he peformed marvellous. They played him a year or so then sold him onto PSV where his career rocketed from there.

Originally posted by Dagoods
http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_01.jpg

http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_04.jpg

Vieri, Raul, and Henry can only DREAM of winning these awards...


they can only dream cause they might actually deserve the award which means they wont get it....that award is a joke anyway......ronaldo is a good striker ...but hes definitly not the best in the world today.....someone prove me wrong

they can only dream cause they might actually deserve the award which means they wont get it....that award is a joke anyway......ronaldo is a good striker ...but hes definitly not the best in the world today.....someone prove me wrong

uhmmm let me see...Henry was the top scorer of the English Premier in 2002, Trezguet was the top scorer in Serie A in 2002...Vieri is NOW currently the top scorer in Serie A...

However, Trezeguet and Henry SCORED 0 GOALS for France in this past wc and Vieri was not able TO take the WC by storm...


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/soccer_world_cup_2002/news/2002/06/30/worldcup_finals/10.jpg

Pelé embracing IL FENOMENO RONALDO...

RONALDO CONQUERED THE WC of 2002!!!

I would say Thierry Henry is the best forward. He is magic. The only downside to his game is he can't head. Vieri is an all round striker. He is one of the best. Van Nistelerooy is inconsistant. There is no perfect striker. All strikers have a weak part in their game.

Davor Suker, West Ham and Arsenal, ****, World Cup 1998, golden boot.
Hasan Sas and El Hadji Diouf, Miroslav Klose great world cup peformances, Hasan Sas, never heard nothing of him since, El Hadji Diouf, wank, Klose, doing well for Kaiserlauten who are bottom of the table lol.

Ah, yes, thought so. Come back when you have a case sir. World Cup and Euro peformances are different to domestic.

Davor Suker, West Ham and Arsenal, ****, World Cup 1998, golden boot. Hasan Sas and El Hadji Diouf, Miroslav Klose great world cup peformances, Hasan Sas, never heard nothing of him since, El Hadji Diouf, wank, Klose, doing well for Kaiserlauten who are bottom of the table lol.

Well, none of those guys were COMPARED to O REI PELE...
Tell how many WORLD CUPS have they WON???

RONALDO has WON 2 World Cups, 2 Copa Americas, 3 FIFA PLAYER of the Year Awards, 2 Ballon D' Ors...etc...
can you tell me why? Is it because he SUCKS? I think NOT!!!

YOU CANNOT win as MUCH as RONALDO has if you are NOT ANY GOOD...

the name RONALDO is synonymous with the likes of Di Stefano, Pele, Cruyff, and Maradona...

RONALDO is the real deal...the 5th KING OF SOCCER!!! and he is only 26. He will WIN more championships and he will win more personal awards...He is already the most winniest soccer player of all-time (personal awards that is)...he will end up as the greatest of all-time...RIVALLED only by Pele and Maradona...

great suit!

Originally posted by Dagoods
http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_01.jpg

http://www.r9ronaldo.com/img/photo/premi_18_12_02_04.jpg

Vieri, Raul, and Henry can only DREAM of winning these awards...

...and Beckham, Scholes,Owen and Diouf only can see it on the TV....remember the last winners and nominations for both awards:FIGO;RONALDO;ZIDANE;ROBERTO CARLOS;RAUL-1 thing in comon: they are all Real players and they all play in the world best league-The spanish "Primera Division".The Michael Owen-that i disagree- was the exception...English players sucks a lot. THe only great player that Great Britain had was...GEORGE BEST!!!! The rest is ...GARBAGE!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Dagoods
Well, none of those guys were COMPARED to O REI PELE...
Tell how many WORLD CUPS have they WON???

RONALDO has WON 2 World Cups, 2 Copa Americas, 3 FIFA PLAYER of the Year Awards, 2 Ballon D' Ors...etc...
can you tell me why? Is it because he SUCKS? I think NOT!!!

YOU CANNOT win as MUCH as RONALDO has if you are NOT ANY GOOD...

the name RONALDO is synonymous with the likes of Di Stefano, Pele, Cruyff, and Maradona...

RONALDO is the real deal...the 5th KING OF SOCCER!!! and he is only 26. He will WIN more championships and he will win more personal awards...He is already the most winniest soccer player of all-time (personal awards that is)...he will end up as the greatest of all-time...RIVALLED only by Pele and Maradona...

You know, it's ironic an American using a French magazine to prove a point. If you see the list of people who voted for Ronaldo, they were the managers of people like Kenya, U.A.E, e.t.c Says it all really.

to me it says more that a West Ham supporter is even in a great striker debate

You know, it's ironic an American using a French magazine to prove a point. If you see the list of people who voted for Ronaldo, they were the managers of people like Kenya, U.A.E, e.t.c Says it all really.

So??? Your point is??? what are you saying, that people from those "places" don't know any better???

You know something, Sir BOBBY "OBE ONE" Moore is one of my favorite players of all-time, and YES I support West Ham. As a matter of fact, I have many friends who support West Ham...however, they are not PRICKS LIKE YOU!!

I recommend for you to START watching REAL MADRID play more often...and you'll see for yourself just exactly how GREAT RONALDO really is...

Raul is better than Ronaldo, and his on the same team.

And I definitly wouldn't consider the spanish league to be the best in the world.

Originally posted by XJaymz
Raul is better than Ronaldo, and his on the same team.

And I definitly wouldn't consider the spanish league to be the best in the world.

Why is it not the best is it cuz your fav player is not good enouf for the league???:confused: Of course it is the best look its a fact if the ref in the Spain vs Korea match did not screw it up Spain would have won the world cup..... AND THATS A FACT.

guys .. if u are arguing on who is the BEST player then its simple .. best means .. most effective , the winner , top of the load .. now what is the highest stage for a football player to play on? The World Cup .. & Ronaldo was THE MOST EFFECTIVE player in the world cup .. scored the most goals & was a key player in his teams WOLRD CUP WIN .. he is the best ...

& to that dude who's saying ronaldo was a keeper at cruizero .. i want proof .. i dont beleive it because before cruziero he was playing STRIKER in futsal ..

you vindicated us mate.

You are a football GOD!!

Don't forget those ungrateful Real Madrid bastard fans have been booing you all season.

I know a good club for him, he can contact them in the red half of north london. :D

This thread should've been made after the World Cup final.

****ing player-haters...:kader: :crazyboy:

I've never said he wasn't ****ing good, but I don't think he is the BEST.

I think it would be pretty hard to argue that any striker has been better than vieri this season.

Yea hes good. Strikers score goals, Ronaldo is doing the job.

He's crap. If he says yesterdays match was the best one he had playing for Madrid then he admits how poor he is. Cause at least two goals were generous presents from Barthez. How stupid, guy scores three lucky goals in one match and suddenly he's supposed to be the best :rolleyes: Geez, even in Madrid everyone knows he suck.

Originally posted by mihalll
He's crap. If he says yesterdays match was the best one he had playing for Madrid then he admits how poor he is. Cause at least two goals were generous presents from Barthez. How stupid, guy scores three lucky goals in one match and suddenly he's supposed to be the best :rolleyes: Geez, even in Madrid everyone knows he suck.

Yea iam sure all his goals were lucky:rolleyes: not he does have skill that why we bought him:crazyboy: just wait till next year he will own all he just has to get used to madrid and he has scored a good amount of goals for us so he dosnt suck but his not at his best but next year i think he will be;)

Originally posted by mihalll
He's crap. If he says yesterdays match was the best one he had playing for Madrid then he admits how poor he is. Cause at least two goals were generous presents from Barthez. How stupid, guy scores three lucky goals in one match and suddenly he's supposed to be the best :rolleyes: Geez, even in Madrid everyone knows he suck.

Biggest bunch of sh*t I read in a while.

Thanks for the good laugh though.:|

Not The Best in the World?!?!
He put 3 past Barthez in the 2nd Leg of the ChampsLeague!
U only have to watch them and see that he is the best!
And remember that he is more of a lone-striker while RealMadrid plays a team-game, so he has to adjust a little but if he keeps scoring like that now, just wait till he fully settles in!

Originally posted by yt23w
Not The Best in the World?!?!
He put 3 past Barthez in the 2nd Leg of the ChampsLeague!
U only have to watch them and see that he is the best!
And remember that he is more of a lone-striker while RealMadrid plays a team-game, so he has to adjust a little but if he keeps scoring like that now, just wait till he fully settles in!

calm down, you can argue that he is the best.....but dont point out one performance and base it on that.....its very hard to determine who the best is anyway but Ronaldo is one of them...so is that other Madrid striker

Originally posted by yt23w
Not The Best in the World?!?!
He put 3 past Barthez in the 2nd Leg of the ChampsLeague!
U only have to watch them and see that he is the best!
And remember that he is more of a lone-striker while RealMadrid plays a team-game, so he has to adjust a little but if he keeps scoring like that now, just wait till he fully settles in!

Ronaldo is good

But Barthez isn't exactly the world's greatest keeper, i mean, Edu beat him.

Ronaldo is not even a striker. :rolleyes:

While some people dont think Barthez is the best goalkeeper in the world ( and I am inclined to agree....), some of those shots (pretty much all of them) were unsavable by any goalkeeper. If a striker is going to put that much power into a shot and place it that well.... not much of a chance :\

After watching the replays I argue that Barthez played all 3 goals decently... He was in a good position on the 1st and 3rd shots (no chance on the second goal), but like I said ronaldo placed all of those shots superbly...

Stop bashing barthez already... and maybe consider that Ronaldo was on target and simply made the most of his opportunities.

We should have a poll about this with all the players that have been mentioned in this thread.:)

Ronaldo. Is great a great finisher. I think he was best when he was 18-20. Although he is quick, he isnt as quick as he used to be, if ronaldo loses 1 or 2 stone, he could possibly get back to his best

Same with Michael Owen. I was watching videos of 1997 and 2000. Owen was hot ****. Ever since the injury, just like Gerrard, he is failing to recapture his best. He really needs to leave Anfield if he wants to make the most of his career.

Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
Same with Michael Owen. I was watching videos of 1997 and 2000. Owen was hot ****. Ever since the injury, just like Gerrard, he is failing to recapture his best. He really needs to leave Anfield if he wants to make the most of his career.

Indeed. Just look at his performance in the last half of this season - especially today. Utter rubbish!

;)

Good luck tommorow vs. City.

moral of this story?
never speak ill of Owen, the damn hobbit shuts people up every time.