First, Let me say I have played FIFA for the last 2 years on an XBOX. Today I played WE6 for the first time.....

Since I found out that WE6 was coming to the states, I had been looking for my opportunity and money to go buy a PS2 and WE6. Well the time had come. The rush of excitement was incredible as I grabbed the PS2 controller and waited for the game to load. My buddy (who also bleeds FIFA) was as excited as I. We were about to play for the very first time the much talked about soccer sim that had taken Europe by storm over the last couple of years. The very game that seems to hover over and make jokes out of the FIFA franchise. The very game that gets hyped all over the net as damn near the second coming. Once we navigated through the menu and were selecting teams the lack of a FIFA license was obvious - So what! I know this game is all about game play!! The game started and my WE6 career was about to explode..... the players took the pitch, the crowd was in a frenzy and then.............. Play started and the reality of WE6 hit home

"What the hell is this?" was my first impression and last. The graphics were so so at best, there was NO responsiveness to the players and their movement. All human controlled player responses were very delayed, like we were playing the game with all 11 players all tripping out on a Valium and XanaX cocktail. My 2 year old can kick a soccer ball with more velocity than these guys. And how about those freaking huge letters telling me it's a GOAL KICK , or THROW IN - I understand the game, you dont have to take up a third of my screen telling me that. To enjoy the game I needed to pop a few Xanax myself. I kept wanting to send a player on a run into open space and then I forgot i was playing WE6. I modded my xbox just to play ISS2 and thought that was a step up from Fifa 2002 - But a far cry from Fifa 2003. WE6 seems like only a little better version of ISS.

For all the talk about this game and all the anticipation....... I just don't get it. In my opinion this game is very over rated. I understand what everyone says and I see some of the positives. But I can tell you 10 times out of 10 - I am going to play FIFA.

one word... hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, hands up who thinks this guy is a complete liar!

What a dork. Never even seen the game, I bet you. If you love FIFA by all means keep playing it but given nothing in your review (if you can call it that) is remotely true or accurate in the slightest you obviously have never played the game. At least when Konami fans or indeed FIFA fans talk about FIFA 2003 they accurately describe what's wrong with the game. You didn't get one thing right at all. So obviously:

You're a lying dork. Go make up some other stories.

Please don't confuse my note with a review.

Like I said - My first impressions. if you want to think I'm making this story up go ahead. "Raise your hands if you're sure"

Oh, By the way... the other day while driving ... I saw a flying pig.

hahaha go dave

Originally posted by m3th0d
hahaha go dave

YEAH, go Dave, go and get some help, I think youre ILL!!! either that or youve never seen or played a real game of footie in your life!!

dave, u crazyboy:crazyboy: :crazyboy:

Come back after a week or so.

And that's after you've mastered all the options, stradegy, buttons etc.

Trust me...
You'll regret what you have just said.

Same happended to me when I first tried WE5 after playing FIFA2002.

Ask me now... I'd 'trash FIFA'... right away..

what happened to freedom of speech?.....

Originally posted by simcut
what happened to freedom of speech?.....

Freedom of speech means you can criticize somebody's use of the freedom to say dumb things!

Nobody is saying he can't say what he wants but the fact he's talking out of his ass means the majority of repliers thinks he's a lunatic. And this is on the FIFA forum!

sure you werent trying to do a 300mph shot while facing opposite the goal?

I'm not sure what you mean by the players movements being slow. I only played FIFA for a long time (because it's the only soccer game I could get my hands on in the US) and thought it was awesome until I finally got WE6I. Yes, the graphics aren't that impressive (it is the PS2 after all, a 3-4yr old console) but the gameplay is amazingly realistic and you have to set up plays like you would in a real soccer match. And the Master League aspect makes makes the game an actual simulation, <gasp>, where you can actually build a dream team from scratch and trade/buy players. What does FIFA have? You can take your team through a whopping five seasons where players don't age and you can't trade or buy new players.

FIFA is a fast moving game but totally unrealistic especially with some of the newer gameplay patchs that make the game even faster (no hard feelings Sameer, great job with a bad game). It's actually kind of humorous having the CPU players hound you, having passes ricochet off your own players repeatedly, and then finally scoring a goal after passing into the void left by the opposing team. And, I can't stand the fact that heading isn't possible without being challenged. Great graphics, all the player and team names/logos but totally lame gameplay. I still play FIFA every once in a while though....don't know why really.

I can't believe someone would flat out lie like that in order to bash WE. It's obvious he didn't play the game. (If u did, sorry for saying so, but i really really don't believe u did). This coming from a FIFA fan myself. When i first played winning eleven, i knew it was much more than fifa. However, i think the best part about winning eleven is really learning how to play, like me. Once u're good, u can perform great looking goals in so many ways.

Actually, if your first statement was false, i really really recommend u do go try it. This game didn't get crazy reviews by so many different site (like gamepro, ign, gamestop to name a few) by just being an average game. The reviews tell truthful opinions. After u learn how to play, u won't stop playing.

Originally posted by Daniel Jones
I'm not sure what you mean by the players movements being slow. I only played FIFA for a long time (because it's the only soccer game I could get my hands on in the US) and thought it was awesome until I finally got WE6I.

i believe he meant that the controls are a little laggy. This problem is solved in WE6FE.

Oh, and about responsiveness of players.

You can only shoot when the player's foot is set in the right place...just like the real thing.

You can only pass when the player's prefered foot is in the right place...just like the real thing.

It's hard to change directions when you're holding on to the R1 sprint button [a very bad habit from playing FIFA]. You HAVE TO mix it up with letting go of the full sprint button, pressing R2 'semi-sprint', changing speeds and directions..... just like the real thing.

Don't expect the player shoot, pass or move at the touch of the button... cuz it WON'T work!!

You've constantly gotta time the player's foot/run, think about the prefered foot, check if you player is being pulled by a defender or not.
Cuz this DOES effect how you shoot, when you shoot, and how responsive you are... all about ballance.
Just like you can't shoot a perfect 300mph shot on goal with your back to the net or when somebody is pulling you from behind or fighting for the ball shoulder by shoulder.
.... though it works in FIFA2003<--- NOT realistic.

If you keep all this in mind, and realize the realism KCET has put in WE,.. you won't ever complain 'bout what you did.

Obviously, the game was TOO real for you.

We've exposed many a liar before, and this whole story sounds very suspect to me. Either that, or the guy's never seen a match of soccer in his life (I think the EA programmers haven't either :) )

yep this guy problably works for ea. i wonder what was your "first impressions" of fifa2003?

WE6:FE is incredible though at time I so agree sending players' on a run at the push of a button like FIFA would be welcome, but the overall gameplay kills FIFA 2003!! :)

NK.

Maybe I'm dumb, and I'm sure many of you will say: yes you are! At this very moment they read what I am writing.....but still, coudn't care less about what you think about me....well what I intended to say was, that I really don't understand what people that so obviously love ISS, WE and PES still hang around in a Fifa forum for???? I said it before, maybe it's me that is dumb, but I don't understand it!!! If you don't like the game, then why do you hang around here?:confused:

cuz it happens to be above the PES/WE forum.

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Originally posted by Goldfish
Maybe I'm dumb, and I'm sure many of you will say: yes you are! At this very moment they read what I am writing.....but still, coudn't care less about what you think about me....well what I intended to say was, that I really don't understand what people that so obviously love ISS, WE and PES still hang around in a Fifa forum for???? I said it before, maybe it's me that is dumb, but I don't understand it!!! If you don't like the game, then why do you hang around here?:confused:

You'll find that most of us at some stage played and owned FIFA (most of us probably even FIFA 2003) in the past and as we paid our money for the crap we have a right to voice our opinion. This thread started off with a guy reviewing WE6 and criticizing it. Didn't see you appear then and say it was the wrong forum. The only time you appeared was when FIFA 2003 was criticized.

Let's face it, if you don't like one or two threads of criticism on the forum then don't read them. I've said it before, this is a 'free speech' forum so we can talk about whatever aspect of FIFA we want, whether it be positive or negative and occasionally people are gonna reference it's shortcomings with other games for analysis. Don't like it? Tough.

Go masturbate over the Beckham hair and face threads and come back when you're less frustrated.

You guys kill me. Watching this forum is like spending a day at the zoo watching the monkeys. I'm not sure if the "Wolf" would be the ring leader or the poor chimp sitting on the other end of the rope with no friends. It must really suck to have the pick the bugs out of your own fur. Maybe someone with more insight into this forum could shed a little more light on that topic.

??

We've exposed yet another fibber, if you really did have the game, you would no doubt use actual facts and evidence to substantiate your claims. Since you haven't played the game, you're coming back with childish insults.

He prolly just sucks at the game, like he couldnt even score on 1 star so he calls it a bad game.

Originally posted by dskingma
You guys kill me. Watching this forum is like spending a day at the zoo watching the monkeys. I'm not sure if the "Wolf" would be the ring leader or the poor chimp sitting on the other end of the rope with no friends. It must really suck to have the pick the bugs out of your own fur. Maybe someone with more insight into this forum could shed a little more light on that topic.

But do you really KNOW how to play the game...?

Originally posted by dskingma
You guys kill me. Watching this forum is like spending a day at the zoo watching the monkeys. I'm not sure if the "Wolf" would be the ring leader or the poor chimp sitting on the other end of the rope with no friends. It must really suck to have the pick the bugs out of your own fur. Maybe someone with more insight into this forum could shed a little more light on that topic.

Ring leader? I am flattered.

I do believe what he said about WE6I being another version of International Superstar Soccer.

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7
You'll find that most of us at some stage played and owned FIFA (most of us probably even FIFA 2003) in the past and as we paid our money for the crap we have a right to voice our opinion. This thread started off with a guy reviewing WE6 and criticizing it. Didn't see you appear then and say it was the wrong forum. The only time you appeared was when FIFA 2003 was criticized.

Let's face it, if you don't like one or two threads of criticism on the forum then don't read them. I've said it before, this is a 'free speech' forum so we can talk about whatever aspect of FIFA we want, whether it be positive or negative and occasionally people are gonna reference it's shortcomings with other games for analysis. Don't like it? Tough.

Go masturbate over the Beckham hair and face threads and come back when you're less frustrated. Maybe you should cool down buddy.....free speech doesn't give you the right to insult people! Telling me to go and masturbate is something that really pisses me off! Still...you are right! This is the wrong forum for comments on ISS, PES and WE.....I'm sorry I didn't mention that before....I say it now....wrong forum. I just got caught from all the statements against this guy before I posted that it was the wrong forum and actually forgot it....:crazyboy: But that doesn't place me in the cathegory of people you just mentioned.....In fact I'm not a graphics fan, and NOT a Fifa die hard fan! I apreciate the game I have on my hands and compare it with what I can compare it with, as I only own a pc...it can only be it's predecessors....! I would like to try your beloved WE and ISS, or PES, but for some kind of a reason, I don't feel like throwing out all of my money for a 4 years old console just to get 1 game! As soon as it will be available for pc, I'll buy it....but until then I must live with what I have...Fifa 2003, and I actually live well with it....I am pretty satisfied with the game, but then again, I can't compare it with your game, so....don't blame me or insult me, if I like Fifa......and as you, I have all the right in the world to state my opinion:rolleyes: So choose between being a nice reasonable guy and show a bit intelligence, or be the tough smartass teenager who tells evrybody to go and "masturbate" over backs hair and face:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

lol tristan u could change ur name to 'the Ring Leader' like nick did with 'the hypochrite':crazyboy:

oh man what a childish little guy we have here...dave, u crazy boy:rolleyes:

if u guys think fifa2003 sucked dun come here ***holes

I think a lot of us have the right to comment on the game!!! Ive spent almost £200 on fifa games so I would like to know that my money is being used to improve the game, but I have yet to see too much of an improvement.
Its like saying to a footie fan who doesnt like the way his team plays to stop watching them.
I think Fifa was a great game, about 5 years ago, but since then Ive seen very few improvements, so what are these guys getting paid to do??

You can't say that Chris!!! For God's sake the game HAS improved!! This year a major reform was applied!! How can you say such things? That you still don't like it, dosn't mean the game hasn't improved! From 2000 to 2001, the entering of the power bar! GREAT IMPROVEMENT!!! From 2001-2002, A LOT of improvements!!! Form 2002-2003? Well a revolution! The ball isn't attatched to the player's foot anymore, just to mention 1....I know that the game needs improvement, and I know you will say: why is Konami then ages ahead, and actually got it right straight from the star? Well, surely you're right about this...I can't know it, because I haven't tryed out the various other footie games around, but as soon as I will be able to do it, I will! I don't say Konami games are ****, or anything like that, I say that Fifa needs improvement, but that I have seen quite an evolution through the years, and I think the game this year has a number of improvements, and plays way better than previous versions...even if the heading and the "airplay" are quite automatic, and there are some serious flows

Hey Dave, i'm not 100% sure, i'm 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000% SURE you havent played WE neither ISS.

Ok, here is the gameplay improvements I have seen in Fifa since 1998.

1. Slowed down a little bit
2. Power up bar (Konami had that way before Fifa)
3. Passing has become more realistic (biggest improvement)
4. Fifa is now less reliant on skill moves.
5. Ball isnt attached to foot ( didnt effect the game as much as it should, If the ball isnt attached to a player then why cant I just run into the ball and win it without pressing a tackle button??

Things that should have been done by now

1. EA should look at netting, you know that stuff they hang off the goal posts to stop the ball, well its flexible and doesnt stop the ball like a wall.
2. Goalies should react like in real life, a person can possibly know where the ball is going as soon as it hit.
3. Tackling should be more unpredictable and more tackling anims should be added.
4. Players should actually use their favoured foot, like I notice Beckham using left foot a lot.
5. Shots should have to be timed better depening on position of player compared to the ball and net.
6. Shooting Animations should be a lot better, and there should be a lot more for different types of shots.
7. More management options.
8. A real career mode with players getting older and changing with youth players etc.

I think Ill stop there, I could go on for hours but what effect would it have??

Originally posted by ChRIsA
1. EA should look at netting, you know that stuff they hang off the goal posts to stop the ball, well its flexible and doesnt stop the ball like a wall.
2. Goalies should react like in real life, a person can possibly know where the ball is going as soon as it hit.
3. Tackling should be more unpredictable and more tackling anims should be added.
4. Players should actually use their favoured foot, like I notice Beckham using left foot a lot.
5. Shots should have to be timed better depening on position of player compared to the ball and net.
6. Shooting Animations should be a lot better, and there should be a lot more for different types of shots.
7. More management options.
8. A real career mode with players getting older and changing with youth players etc.

1. Merely a graphical issue.....I bet the much debated PES hasn't that accurate nets either!
2. I don't see your point here....i think they do react well...again, I have nothing to compare with, so.....
3. Again graphical issues, ands what do you mean by unpredictable tacklings???
4. Yes, but do you call this a gameplay flaw? Be serious!
5. What's wrong with the timing we have now? Excuse me...I have nothing to compare with, but as far as I see, players do touch the ball when they shoot...if that's what you mean....
6. I only know two types of shots....hard ones and precise ones...and again, I don't see how shooting animations could affect gameplay....graphical issue....
7. I agree fully here!
8. Impossible to implement in a game like Fifa! What you aske for is a CM 4 engine built in Fifa...but if they did that, how would they sell CM?

What I think they should improve is airplay....maybe what you ment with shooting animations was hitting the ball at different altitudes from the grass, or the ability to shoot on a rebound...I agree there...that would affect the gameplay
More skill moves should be added, and especially, the possibility to control wich ones to pull off when....the heading is somehow totally to remake....

I think it's interesting that all of you people who bash the Winning Eleven Series seem to have never PLAYED any of the games, whereas all of the people who are hard on FIFA have practically played them ALL. And really, how can you be a real football fan and not appreciate being able to skin the pants off slowass Blanc with Roberto Carlos in a videogame that looks feels and plays like the real thing, and then ooh and ahh when Joe Blow does some random freestyle thingy in FIFA 2003 and makes Nesta look like Wes Brown of two years ago?

If you REALLY love FIFA, find a Super Nintendo and get FIFA'96. Can't be beat. Great end to end football.:mrpimp:

Originally posted by Goldfish
1. Merely a graphical issue.....I bet the much debated PES hasn't that accurate nets either!
2. I don't see your point here....i think they do react well...again, I have nothing to compare with, so.....
3. Again graphical issues, ands what do you mean by unpredictable tacklings???
4. Yes, but do you call this a gameplay flaw? Be serious!
5. What's wrong with the timing we have now? Excuse me...I have nothing to compare with, but as far as I see, players do touch the ball when they shoot...if that's what you mean....
6. I only know two types of shots....hard ones and precise ones...and again, I don't see how shooting animations could affect gameplay....graphical issue....
7. I agree fully here!
8. Impossible to implement in a game like Fifa! What you aske for is a CM 4 engine built in Fifa...but if they did that, how would they sell CM?

What I think they should improve is airplay....maybe what you ment with shooting animations was hitting the ball at different altitudes from the grass, or the ability to shoot on a rebound...I agree there...that would affect the gameplay
More skill moves should be added, and especially, the possibility to control wich ones to pull off when....the heading is somehow totally to remake....

A lot of things graphical effect the gameplay, especially animations, because they mak the game act realistic. The netting animation really ruins the goals because you dont get that special feeling.
B unpredictabl tackles I mean that if you tackle a player you shouldnt win the ball every time, and the ball should roll off in different directions and more battles should be made to win the ball instead of just 1 tackle.
When I say timing on shooting I mean that you should have to press the button at the right time the get a good shot, for example if the ball is too far away and your player has to stretch he cant possibly hit a perfect shot. Its the same with headers, if the ball is too high for the player he wont be able to head the ball down on target.

Hey Del Piero, i think u should try PES2 on your PC. U can get a psx emulator and then play the ps game on PC. If you have a nice video card, the graphics are pretty nice too. Email this guy and ask him for the info...

tristanabbott7@hotmail.com.

After you play the game, even if it's a playstation 1 version, u'll know what we're all about

Originally posted by Gelohk
I think it's interesting that all of you people who bash the Winning Eleven Series seem to have never PLAYED any of the games, whereas all of the people who are hard on FIFA have practically played them ALL. And really, how can you be a real football fan and not appreciate being able to skin the pants off slowass Blanc with Roberto Carlos in a videogame that looks feels and plays like the real thing, and then ooh and ahh when Joe Blow does some random freestyle thingy in FIFA 2003 and makes Nesta look like Wes Brown of two years ago?

If you REALLY love FIFA, find a Super Nintendo and get FIFA'96. Can't be beat. Great end to end football.:mrpimp:
Shall I write in in BLOCKS for you to understand that I haven't tryed the game, and that I would like to, end that I'm not a Fifa die hard fan, but a soccer die hard fan?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by jmsbc
Hey Del Piero, i think u should try PES2 on your PC. U can get a psx emulator and then play the ps game on PC. If you have a nice video card, the graphics are pretty nice too. Email this guy and ask him for the info...

tristanabbott7@hotmail.com.

After you play the game, even if it's a playstation 1 version, u'll know what we're all about Thanx for the info mate...I already have a buddy who's going to find a good emulator for me, and with a little luck I'll play the game too....though my graphics card isn't that big deal...even if overclocked....

Dave has a right to say what he wants about WE. Its insane, ridiculous,and most of all naive to call him a liar,and someone who doesnt "know" football because he doesnt like WE.:rolleyes:



You WE fanatics need to cool down and at least show some actual proof of why WE is better then FIFA to people like Dave.

to tell you th e truth.. I think I thought the same thing at first about few things he said when I played WE6I for the first time.. now I play WE6FE.

Originally posted by nickclubman
WE6:FE is incredible though at time I so agree sending players' on a run at the push of a button like FIFA would be welcome, but the overall gameplay kills FIFA 2003!! :)

NK.

I think it would ruin the brilliant gamplay. You'd have through balls left right and center, balance would suffer. It's beter to get some satisfaction after a great run innitiated by the AI....

Originally posted by Goldfish
1. Merely a graphical issue.....I bet the much debated PES hasn't that accurate nets either!


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nets? you talkin about nets?

i love how the net creases in we6 after the ball flies into the goal - i've never seen anything more realistic.

anyways Del Piero - you ain't played WE/PES so s^, you're just a blind FIFA FANBOY.

my advice is: stick to FIFA, stick to FIFA 4 EVA. when WE comes out for PC don't buy it, - stick to FIFA, you got nothin to prove...

you'll never be happy with WE, just like your friend Dave said - the game is overhyped, requires brains to play and stuff, hours of mastering...

i'm telling you - stick to FIFA - you'll be better off making your lil' run-ins in FIFA than actually trying to work one out in WE. which key is it? R, do u make a run-in with R in FIFA?

Players in WE6I don't make no run-ins. There ain't no players in WE - WE is a bowling game.

as for the WE First Impressionist - don't like WE? - stick to FIFA.

HYPE - none of your concern, why would you even listen to hype? you're hype dependent? why not read some reviews first, rent the game... you bought the game, you think it sucks - not our fault you don't like it.

stick to FIFA, return WE6I - there a lots of ppl who are waiting for back order / next shipment of this game - make your life & somebody elses life easier.

Say what? laggy controls? here's what you should do:

lets say you're watching a soccer game, you got you ps2 standing right next to your TV Set - grab your controler and when you see a player on TV in the penalty box area, facing away from the goal - press [] on your controler (we6i shoot button).

what happens? nothing.

oh!!!!!!!! i got it! since the guy is in no postition to take a shot - he just won't do it! YEEEEEEEEEY!!!!!

good old FIFA - same situation - would you shoot/score - ye, i think so. 300mph? hell ye.

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i just bored myself to death, wasted 30 mins of my precious time so i hope you fifa ppl get the message:

STICK TO FIFA! - you're too good for WE.

WE Fanatic!!! Cool down buddy! Somebody said Fifa Fans can't take critics on their beloved game,......well, you are the living proof, that WE fans aren't any better! Try looking at your face in the mirror before looking at other, you know! Hey!

i ain't your buddy.

it's not that WE fans can't take critics on their beloved game buddy - it's just that they ain't takin them from a person who never played WE in his life and doesn't know what he's talking about.

now go and look at yourself in the mirror.

You can't tell!!! I believe this guy, Dave....HAS tried the game and found it difficoult! I believe it must be quite a change from Fifa to PES or WE....my friend who owns WE and PES speaks very highly about it, and told me, that it took many hours of practice! I believe him, and I believe this guy Dave.

i was talkin about you ;)

Is it just me or does this thread belong in ISS/WE/PES vs FIFA forum?

Us WE fans criticize the game all the time, but unfounded and unsubstantiated claims are not critique, how can someone diss a game if they've never played it?

OK after seeing how some of you complete tools treated the author of this thread, I just realize exactly why I haven't posted here in almost a year.

All of you just can't stand your precious WE game to be criticized by someone who isn't a total fool about the game that you love so much. HEY GUESS WHAT ? PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE SOMETHING SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP IT ! LIVE WITH IT !

Now, I am someone who completely gave up FIFA years ago and even sold my copy of FIFA 99 to buy ISS Pro Evolution on the PSone. I too, came and wrote a completely critical review of ISS PE when I first played it.

For months I heard people praising this game left and right, saying it was the most realistic game ever to appear on a console, that the controls were awesome, the player reactions, etc. Even though I liked the game a lot and learned to play it so well, including using in-game strategies, and got the shooting down pat, I still always thought that the game needed much improvement.

When I bought my first PS2 game, I decided to buy FIFA 2002 (huge mistake...what a piece of sh|t) because I couldn't find any ISS games here in the United States, and I could not get a modchip to play any PAL games, so I was stuck with my decision. FIFA 2002 made me miss a lot of ISS's gameplay, and I don't play FIFA 2002 anymore.

I bought World Cup 2002 and I thought that was a great improvement, but still very flawed. EA will never get it together, and that's something I have come to terms with. I hate FIFA games with a passion, and I don't hate many things at all. FIFA 2003 got me so frustrated that I could have had a heart attack after how angry I became at the utter lack of realism and complete CPU advantage.

Anyway, back to WE6 - I just bought this game about two weeks ago. I saw it in stores and almost blew up at how excited I was to see it in the UNITED STATES ! I was determined to buy it and couldn't wait home to try it out. Well, I did and it definitely wasn't all that it was hyped up to be.

The graphics continue to be very low-quality and the programmers definitely do not take advantage of the PS2's graphic capabilities. It's really sad, it almost looks just like ISS Pro Evolution soccer on the PSone. It also still plays very similarly.

The shooting is what I hate most about the game. It seems that all soccer game creators are embracing this horrible trend of making it more difficult to shoot and score to make the game appear more advanced. They are simply lowering the accuracy of shots, and increasing the power meter responses to compensate for their lack of proper programming, or to save time. EA is guilty of it, same as Konami.

Taking the ball from CPU players is just frustrating. The CPU can run around your players so easily. It also just pushes your player away constantly until your player can sometimes kick it away, or sometimes the CPU just takes a dive and the referee calls a foul. Top strikers in the game can just push defenders away endlessly and it's almost impossible taking the ball away from them. This is a huge flaw, because even though some players are great in real life, they shouldn't be almost invincible in a console game. That just doesn't make any sense.

The goalkeepers are also just ridiculous when it comes to long shots. It seems as if they are always in the right place or they just make unbelievable and unrealistic saves. I'm tired of the super-goalie trend in soccer games everywhere, not just the Winning Eleven series.

Things I do like about Winning Eleven are: the dribbling is just awesome. Players like Zidane, Raul, and Figo play almost like their real counterparts. Zidane turns the ball in a really cool, calm fashion, and his passes are just sublime. That brings me over to the passing - I love the passing in WE and my only complaint is that the through pass chip doesn't work as well as it used to in ISS PE. I loved chipping over defenders and now in WE, the CPU catches the ball almost always before my players have a chance of even touching the ball. Hmmm...other than that I don't really know what else I like about WE. Frankly, I'm disappointed in it and don't really like it much at all.

You people can flame all you want, you can be childish and tell me that I haven't bought the game and never played it, or simply be idiots and insult me. But I have played ISS games for a long time now, beginning with the ISS games on the SNES, and I can say that just like FIFA, the ISS series has been getting proggressively worse each time.

Personally, I believe that the best ISS game ever was International Superstar Soccer 98. While it wasn't completely realistic, the player movements were. That game took full advantage of the N64's graphic capabilities and the programmers worked really hard to make the players move like real people. Just play ISS98 sometime and you will see how loose and free the players move compared to future ISS games. It's really cool and impressive since the game is almost 6 years old now (probably programmed in 97).

The game was more free too, and not rigid like the new WE series. Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a very restrictive game that doesn't allow me to move much at all when I am playing WE. For instance, on free throws in ISS98, you could move around and intercept the ball, whereas in WE you just have to watch the CPU throw it in. In ISS98, the CPU didn't control your player once the goalkeeper picked up the ball, you were still in complete control.

The ball physics were also good in ISS98. They weren't perfect, but you were rarely surprised about deflections or where the ball was going at all times. Also, the ball wasn't always picked up by the CPU like in future ISS games. You always had an equal chance to recover the ball as much as the CPU did, which really balanced the game out.

What I wonder is why Konami never combined such great features from ISS98 into its WE series and just decided to take such a rigid platform such as the one that ISS PE operated on, and just continued to use it with future games. ISS PE was no perfect game, and neither is WE6. I don't foresee soccer games getting any better as long as this platform is used. The game should be more free and loose, instead of making players feel like they're playing a game that controls THEM.

Anyway, I have a soccer game to play soon, so I'm out. I'll write more when I have time.

- Joe

1. Graphics...I agree the graphics aren't the best but that's not why I bought the game. The gameplay makes up for the graphics IMHO. However, they're not as bad as PSone.

2. Shooting...How often do you see top strikers miss barely over the crossbar or skim one past the post? A lot I would say so I think the shooting is realistic because it's more of a challenge. It takes a careful touch. It's not like FIFA where every shot is on target.

3. Interceptions...It's really not that difficult. It just takes practice. Again this adds more challenge to the game and doesn't really take anything away from the game.

4. Long shots...These are generally tough so it makes sense that most of the time the goalkeeper is going to be on top of things.

5. Throw-ins....Definitely a little strange in the game but it's definitely possible to intercept throw-ins.



Not everyone is going to like the game. It's impossible to please everyone. I think Konami has done a good job with WE6I and I enjoy it immensely. Especially ML. Too bad that you're unhappy. Maybe you should play it a bit more. It may grow on you. :)

If you could move to intercept throw ins, every throw in would be intercepted...what's the point in that? In real soccer, its easier to recieve the ball if your teammate throws it to you, than if you're trying to intercept.

Shooting? Take some time and practice dude...

Taking balls from AI? No problems, more practice needed.

Goalkeepers? As real as you can get, they can save or cencede just like real life.

WC2002 and improvement? Give us a break. :)

Hey what's up Teknos. Well i for one love the WE series. But from what i'm seeing is that you should have gotten your hands on Winning eleven instead of iss cuz i heard it's not as good. As for WE6:I, everyone says it's same as PES2, which also sucks, cuz Winning eleven by kcet is what is awesome. Hopefully when we7 comes out in states, they'll make it based on kcet's game. Also, u should get WE2002 for your ps1 and play it on emulator for PC, which i like to do, cuz the graphics are super improved (if u have good graphics card) BTW, i got we2002 by downloading. same for epsxe (emulator)

theCRO
[theCRO]
If you could move to intercept throw ins, every throw in would be intercepted...what's the point in that? In real soccer, its easier to recieve the ball if your teammate throws it to you, than if you're trying to intercept.

This makes absolutely no sense at all. I won't even try to guess how this thought became a sentence.

Hey what's up Teknos. Well i for one love the WE series. But from what i'm seeing is that you should have gotten your hands on Winning eleven instead of iss cuz i heard it's not as good.

I do have Winning Eleven 6 - that's what my previous post was about. And no, ISS is much better than Winning Eleven. Period.

Hopefully when we7 comes out in states, they'll make it based on kcet's game

That's something I'll definitely hope for. KCET is the group that made ISS98, my favorite Konami game ever.

- Joe

Joe,

well look at it this way. They must try and make a balance. If you can move freely to intercept the ball, you'd be stealing it or have a 50/50 ball every throw in, they must make it 90/10 in favour of the team with possesion.

It may not be all that realistic looking, but the result is more realistic than having tossles and interception at every throw.

And JMBS, WE6I is made by KCET......wtf r u talking about?

Originally posted by theCRO
Joe,

well look at it this way. They must try and make a balance. If you can move freely to intercept the ball, you'd be stealing it or have a 50/50 ball every throw in, they must make it 90/10 in favour of the team with possesion.

It may not be all that realistic looking, but the result is more realistic than having tossles and interception at every throw.

And JMBS, WE6I is made by KCET......wtf r u talking about?

What up, Cro----I couldnt agree more about the whole 'keeping-it-statistically correct' thing---Very well put bout the whole 90/10 thing....theres a few instances of that here and there huh? Ahhh....aint it sweet!!
Phew!:gavin: :nape: ....man, my nose directed me over here.....thought I smelled somethin' foul!
Sniff....sniff....
:confused: ..Yup, someones dissin' THE GAME.....?!?Well, no matter, Cro.....much like the Borg, they to will experience THE GAME........well see them in Church soon..(PES forum):rockman:
oh, and.....May the WE be with you...

KCEO (Konami Computer Entertainment Osaka) made the N64 ISS games and still make ISS games. KCET (Konami Computer Entertainment Tokyo) made the ISS Pro Evolution (Europe, maybe USA too) and Winning Eleven (Japan) games on PS1 and make the Pro Evolution Soccer games for Europe, Winning Eleven games for Japan and Winning Eleven 6: International for the USA.

WE6:I is practically PES2 - an arcadey variation of WE6. WE6: Final Evolution released in Japan is currently the best football game so try importing it - its well worth it. If you dont wanna chip your PS2 or dont mind not being able to patch it get it for the Gamecube with a Freeloader - its the same game (with slightly better graphics, quicker load times and more animation than the PS2 version) and cheaper to do this cos your not paying for a modchip.

TeKNoS,
Hate to say, you're totally wrong about shooting.
First it ain't ridiculously hard and the sensitivity of the power meter is JUST right.

As it is with any game, you need to get the hang of it.

So, blame your lack of skill for considering shots hard to make, not the KCET programers. It's not even comparable with the cr@ppy shooting physics of FIFA2003.

Trust me, the shooting physics by far, blow anything out there.

About the the throw-in's.

How often do you see the opponent intercept a throw-in made to a person nearby???????

In WE 9/10 throw-in's made nearby are sucessful whereas throw-in's made further away [the O button] are much easier to intercept.

Unless, you come up with a beter way to implement the throw-in. the throw-in in WE is perfectly acceptable.

Sorry but why does every compare WE with FIFA he even said he isn't a fifa fan