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voetballiefhebb
12-04-2003, 06:32:AM
Murder trial halted as 'victim' is found alive

A TEENAGED Australian girl thought to be dead after being missing for nearly five years has reappeared during the trial of a man the prosecution said had confessed to murdering her.
Natasha Ryan, 18, was last seen in l998 when she was driven away in a car by an unidentified man in her home town of Rockhampton in Queensland.

Last night the young woman was back with her stunned but delighted family after being found in the cupboard of a house she had been sharing with her boyfriend.

Her discovery forced the adjournment of the trial of Leonard Fraser, 51, who is accused of murdering her and three other women between 1998 and 1999. The prosecution had said that Mr Fraser had confessed to killing all four women when detectives secretly taped him in prison.

The case was adjourned until next week to give his lawyers time to consider moves to have the trial dismissed.

News of the teenager’s survival was announced by Paul Rutledge, for the prosecution, in Rockhampton Supreme Court. “I’m pleased to inform the court that Leonard John Fraser is not guilty of the murder of Natasha Anne Ryan,” he said. “Natasha Ryan is alive.”

Her father, Robert, who has remarried, had been so sure that his daughter was dead that he held a special memorial service in Bundaberg Crematorium Chapel three years after she disappeared to give the family “closure”.

“I don’t believe that Natasha would have let me go through all the pain if she was out there,” he said at the time.

When the call came through to say that she had been found alive, he was so sceptical that he asked Natasha to reveal his pet name for her. There was no hesitation. “Grasshopper,” she replied.

Her mother, Jenny, also found it hard to believe the police call at first. “It took a little bit of time before she was able to fully appreciate that they had found her daughter alive and well,” Ross Lo Monaco, the family lawyer, said. “She had to deal with the emotional issue of attending the police station, perhaps with false hope. It was something that was very distressing for her.”

What happened to the auburn-haired girl, who was just 14 when she went missing, is still a mystery, although it is known that she was found with Scott Black, the same boyfriend she had at the time of her disappearance. Mr Black had pleaded guilty in November 1999 to wilful obstruction of police after aiding Natasha when she ran away from home in July 1998, two months before she was last seen by her family. Neighbours near the house where the missing girl was found, which is less than a mile from her mother’s home, said yesterday that they did not know that a woman had been living next door.

The first hint that Natasha was alive came in an anonymous letter to Rockhampton detectives on Wednesday. When police visited the house, they found her hiding in a cupboard. She had left the house only six times since 1998 and was unaccustomed to daylight.

Mr Lo Monaco said that Natasha seemed to be in good health. He added: “There’s no suggestion she’s been ill-treated or maltreated.”

He said that Natasha’s reunion with her mother had been “heart-wrenching”. “Obviously Mrs Ryan was very relieved to see her daughter looking safe and well,” he said. “One can well imagine the emotions that must have been going through particularly the mother’s mind at the time.”

Mr Fraser was charged with Natasha’s murder even though her body had not been found. The bodies of his other alleged victims have been found.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-643089,00.html

Bloody hell. If I was the one on trial, for having my balls to the wall for that long, I would actually take satisfaction in slaughtering her. He should sue her.

Vagegast
12-04-2003, 07:20:AM
What's a cupboard? :rolleyes:

hermolt
12-04-2003, 08:20:AM
Originally posted by voetballiefhebb
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-643089,00.html

Bloody hell. If I was the one on trial, for having my balls to the wall for that long, I would actually take satisfaction in slaughtering her. He should sue her.

This ain't no angel of a man. He's also suspected of other murders. Hopefully they can get the goods on him for something else.

Vagegast
12-04-2003, 08:39:AM
Yeah but he was bugged, he made up the story about of one of the three. Why should the other two be true?

Unless they have actual beodies + murder weapons...

Seán D
12-04-2003, 01:36:PM
I may be wrong, but I think a dead bodie is needed in a murder trial, and not just hiding away.

JTNY
12-04-2003, 02:01:PM
The guy was a serial killer, so just minus one of his list.


She couldn't stay outside for long as she wasn't used to sunlight...... her eyes..........................................:con fused:

rhizome17
12-04-2003, 02:04:PM
Originally posted by Seán Denny
I may be wrong, but I think a dead bodie is needed in a murder trial, and not just hiding away.

Nah, a guys was convicted of a double murder here a couple of years ago. No bodies were found, the Prosecution claimed he tipped them overboard off a boat, searches have been done but still no bodies have turned up. The guy got done because he was at the place when the couple went missing, there were supposed fingernail scratches on the hatch of his boat, etc. etc.

I still think he could be innocent though.

IceBlu
12-04-2003, 03:01:PM
Originally posted by Seán Denny
I may be wrong, but I think a dead bodie is needed in a murder trial, and not just hiding away.

no. First they look for blood / tissue and any other trace evidence using luminol in case the murderer has tried to clean the blood. If they find blood or anything that can be a source of DNA, they match it up with the victims and come to a conclusion. When they find bone fragments they compare them with the xrays or dental records of the victim....

If they do Not find a body or any part of it, they first make sure they have enough circumstantial evidence and build a case. They then go after the suspects alibis (if he has any) and try disproving them. If they are successful and have enough evidence, they don't need a body.

does anyone remember the murder of Rose Larner ? her killer John Ortiz Kehoe killed her , dismembered her body , burnt them to ashes and disposed off those ashes. No body ...... no humain remains... well he got the death penalty after his friend (brother of Rose Larner) confessed to helping him dispose off the evidence.

Paul
12-04-2003, 03:03:PM
theres always a smartass :kader:

:D

Seán D
13-04-2003, 12:57:AM
:o :confused:

rhizome17
15-04-2003, 01:19:AM
apparently the girl has sold her story to 60 minutes :rolleyes:

PhiLLer
15-04-2003, 01:48:AM
Originally posted by rhizome17
apparently the girl has sold her story to 60 minutes :rolleyes:
That's her 15 minutes of fame...well, 60:D

zul-aid
15-04-2003, 02:04:AM
Shes about 4 hours away from me.

The newspapers are having a field day

She rang "Kids help line" last month saying she was alive and was mentally ****ed up

The councilor on the phone passed it on the Police whom ignored the fact that she was alive.

Its a bizarre case and everyone in this state are treating her like **** deservedly so.

Her parents got alot money (donations) and Voluntry workers whom did the search for her body are now asking for the money she is getting from selling her story.

4 years she spent hiding.

JTNY
15-04-2003, 03:24:AM
Besides precious police time they could spend solving real crimes. Also, state money to fund the police. :|

zul-aid
15-04-2003, 03:30:AM
Yeah pretty much she is bitch to society and she will be crucified by the media atleast for the next 3 months.

Vagegast
15-04-2003, 03:57:AM
See the second post in this thread; nobody has answered my question.

JTNY
15-04-2003, 03:59:AM
Alright......... a cupboard is a time in every boy's life.......:p :hump: (H) :mrpimp: :rolleyes:

Vagegast
15-04-2003, 04:14:AM
"the cupboard of a house"????

rhizome17
15-04-2003, 04:17:AM
Originally posted by Vagegast
What's a cupboard? :rolleyes:

it is like a wardrobe, well, basically the same thing.

zul-aid
15-04-2003, 04:21:AM
cupboard yes is like a wardrobe

they are in kitchens for storing Cups and Plates
They are part where towels are kept etc etc.

Originally I thought it was a joke

Vagegast
15-04-2003, 04:24:AM
She lived in a wardrobe? How'd she get food and s hit?

zul-aid
15-04-2003, 04:26:AM
She lived with her boyfriend

the cupboard story is bull****

She was missing for Four Years she was found going shopping I think.

Vagegast
15-04-2003, 04:32:AM
Lmao. Women and shopping :kader:

Haukur Gudnason
15-04-2003, 06:20:AM
at least we noe she aint claustrophobic

Haukur Gudnason
15-04-2003, 06:23:AM
but mebe anthropophobic

mhflierman
15-04-2003, 11:23:AM
The daughter is a bitch. How cn you walk away from your family and go hiding in a house less then a mile from where you used to live? If you're running away from home, then at least leave a note saying your off chasing whatever you want, but don't just leave your parents, friends and family and pretend your dead. That's sick. It seems to me the girl is a bit disturbed anyway, how can you just not leave a house and never go outside?

Paul
15-04-2003, 11:26:AM
Originally posted by mhflierman
how can you just not leave a house and never go outside?

Idon'twanttogooutside syndrome

outside-o-phobia


:D :D

mhflierman
16-04-2003, 03:55:PM
Originally posted by Paul
Idon'twanttogooutside syndrome

outside-o-phobia


:D :D

:p Ok thanks. I was already thinking in that way, after I called a friend of mine who studies psycholgy, he told me that's wahat it called. But how did you know? Do you suffer from it??? :p

zul-aid
16-04-2003, 04:00:PM
Well she did go outside

she went to the beach near her house one a month and ocassionally went shopping

we (Queenslanders) are being reminded daily of Elizabeth Ryan from Utah, The girl found alive a month ago.

Perles
16-04-2003, 07:09:PM
smart