Of what i heared, Club Football will be the ultimate footie game.
All the greatest football games are released for PS2, and not for PC. You know what? i'm kinda tired of it.
FIFA is all PC gamers have!! there is no competition, so why are we complaining EA do not improve their games? BECAUSE there IS NO competition between the companies! so why should they try to improve their games if FIFA is the only choise PC gamers have? they get the same money out of us wheather they improve FIFA or not.
To make FIFA and other games be improve every year, there has to be a kind of a comptetition. Companies NEED to move their asses and STOP EA's monopoly on PC soccer games,
that's the only way gamers will get satisfied of football games for PC.

Desert-Eagle.

Hey, what's up bro?

I think maybe you should look at WHY other companies aren't releasing football games on the PC. Also related, ask yourself why companies like Sega Sports don't release their sports games like NBA 2K3 & NFL 2K3 on the PC when they're on the Game Cube, PS2 & X-Box. And the final and third question is why doesn't EA Sports release all of the sports games that they do for the consoles on the PC - why is a game like NBA Street console only and not for the PC?


I think you'll find the answer to those questions is the same in each case and it's also the same answer to why companies DON'T;

"move their asses and STOP EA's monopoly on PC soccer games"

NBA 2k3 and NFL 2k3 were released for PC.
I have them in my disc-library.

EA does release all of there sports games on PC. I saw them the other day.

The new soccer game Club Football thats coming up this fall I believe will be released only IN Europe, now how can they compete with EA or Konami if they will release it in one place, EA and Konami will be getting the rest of the customers. If Club Football is not released here in NA than I am not going to mod my PL2, they should target all the customers all over the world? Why can't they do that?

probably testing the waters.

next step, Konami needs to go multiplatform and release the games at the same time everywhere..

and also.. Konami releases 2 or 3 versions of WE a year.. and no one complains about it... if it was EA that did the same thing.. with little improvements every time.. and 2 yr old rosters... how many people would complain and bash EA for milking money?

because gamers are already satisfied with the most important part of the game thats gameplay. And they dont care about old roster or whatever thats why they dont complain.
People complain at EA because they improve the wrong things while having a poor gameplay.

i understand why Codemasters release their game in Europe first. I think it's their first time making such a big soccergame. If they **** up, its only in europe, so no big disaster. If its a huge succes im sure they will make more versions for other clubs in different parts of the world.

Originally posted by valioso
and also.. Konami releases 2 or 3 versions of WE a year.. and no one complains about it... if it was EA that did the same thing.. with little improvements every time.. and 2 yr old rosters... how many people would complain and bash EA for milking money?

fifa 2003 rosters were old, Galatasaray had players from 2 years ago. I was pissed cause there was not a CC to edit the rosters..... At least there is a CC in WE6i

Originally posted by MasterM
because gamers are already satisfied with the most important part of the game thats gameplay. And they dont care about old roster or whatever thats why they dont complain.
People complain at EA because they improve the wrong things while having a poor gameplay.


gamers are satisfied with the gameplay.. so they dont mind paying for the same game 2-3 times every year?

:jambo: look im trin to keep it up like a one minute man

I agree with valioso (as usual).
Konami have to release their games for all platforms at the SAME TIME.
I think Konami needs some new salesmen.

valioso your argument holds no water. WE6 has been out for more than a year in Asia now and I'm still having fun with it. Albeit on and off for the last few months, but at least I still enjoy it

Originally posted by pronewbie
valioso your argument holds no water. WE6 has been out for more than a year in Asia now and I'm still having fun with it. Albeit on and off for the last few months, but at least I still enjoy it

and what does have to do with my argument exactly?

Lets see.. winning eleven 6, then pes2, then we6:international and then we6:FE, thats 4 games in the span of a year... and people accuse EA of milking their game when they release the world cup, or euro cup editions every 2 years... that was my argument.. I know WE is enjoyable and I have it at home.

winning eleven 6 (japan only)
PES2 (europe)
we6i (america)
we6fe (japan)

that's not really 4 games dude. they are from different regions.

and they cannot release the game worldwide at the same time? and how many people in the WE forums have more than just 1 version of it?

is club football coming out on the u.s.??:( :mrpimp: :rockman: :f***: :hump: :mrpimp: :crazyboy:

no

Who made Club Football?

codemasters

valioso i dont think Konami is milking their product. You named 4 titles of WE. As said before they are for different parts of the world. Only Japan has two games of WE. WE6FE is far better then all others. So I dont see it as milking but i see it as a very eager behaviour to make their product better, so they can please their fans. Also I dont have the feeling they leave out things on purpose like EA does.
Tell me would you rather have WE6 and wait until we7 without WE6FE?

And about the worldwide release, I don't think thats possible, because, the us/european version needs editing like commentary, english text etc, so that takes time.

so you wouldnt say EA is milking their product if they released 2 versions of the game every year?

Wussup Valioso, I would say EA is milking their product (like wc?) But look at what improvements to the game there were; basically none. But u see the difference between EA and konami is that FE had so many improvements that they felt they had enough support to release it as another title. (which it does) WE6 and FE are 2 different games. That's why people buy it. That can't be said about EA.

i dont think enough improvements warrant release 3 games a year... because now winning eleven 7 is almost out..

and I am just saying.. that people criticize EA just because is EA without realizing that most companies do the same stuff... after all.. is a business

Originally posted by valioso
i dont think enough improvements warrant release 3 games a year... because now winning eleven 7 is almost out..

and I am just saying.. that people criticize EA just because is EA without realizing that most companies do the same stuff... after all.. is a business

First of, KONAMI does have 3 different versions of WE6 but only the Japanese have more than one version. If you live in Europe, you only get 1 game (PES2). In North America, WE6I. In Japan, you get WE6, WE6FE, and if J league is your fancy WE6 J-League.
Secondly, you can say that KONAMI is milking WE in Japan, but then again look at the improvements upon each of its series. Anyone who have played WE6FE, will tell you that it is a big improvements from WE6. Unless you have played all the WE games, you can't say that the improvements are not worth it.

Konami is a japanese company dude.. japanese companies releases japanese versions first, then other regions will translate them to english and release later in europe/america or not even translated at all. This happens all the time:

Konami
Squaresoft
Capcom
Namco

I think this happens because most japanese don't know english. Can't complain.. they make the best games.

Originally posted by valioso
i dont think enough improvements warrant release 3 games a year... because now winning eleven 7 is almost out..

and I am just saying.. that people criticize EA just because is EA without realizing that most companies do the same stuff... after all.. is a business

Fifa bring out more games a year without any improvements. They use big events like World Cups to milk.
Like bringing out fifa2002 and after that fifa world cup 2002 with only a few country teams? So instead of increasing they decreased the content.

Also people complain about fifa because it has been the same since 1995. The 2003 edition is the only real new one imo, though full of bugs, but still its a new breeze.


They always make minor improvements, while they have a whole one year the time. ANd look at Konami they improve their game a lot in a much shorter time span. They werent happy about WE6, so they improved it. Yes it a shame if you have bought WE6 already, but its must be worth it looking at the reactions people have of the game.

finally valioso you should read the WE6;FE review on ign so you can see what they all improved before saying its milking
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/390/390455p1.html

I personally think Club Football isn't being released in North America because of the fanbase. No disrespect, but the football scene in America is nowhere near as big as it is in Europe. The money that they spend on licenses probably wouldn't be recuperated through the sales, or they'll barely break even. Hell, they'll even have to change the name. Club Soccer just doesn't sound right! lol:D

well.. the money the spend on licenses is the same wether they sell only in europe or worldwide

Originally posted by Gooner
I personally think Club Football isn't being released in North America because of the fanbase. No disrespect, but the football scene in America is nowhere near as big as it is in Europe. The money that they spend on licenses probably wouldn't be recuperated through the sales, or they'll barely break even. Hell, they'll even have to change the name. Club Soccer just doesn't sound right! lol:D

lol, probably it'll be called Soccer Club or European Soccer Club, something like that.

what does PES stand for? and doesnt it sell in europe? I havent heard anyone complain about it not being called PEF ?

Originally posted by valioso
well.. the money the spend on licenses is the same wether they sell only in europe or worldwide

Not really, because I think they'd have to do North American teams as well. Somehow, I can't see americans rushing out to buy Celtic Club Soccer.

they dont have to do NA teams... there are plenty of football fans in america.. that know their football well...

Most of us accept American English.. It has always been like this.

Im sorry, but I could not see myself buying a Metrostar version of Club Football. When instead I could be playing with Arsenal or Barcelona.

Originally posted by iceboy
Most of us accept American English.. It has always been like this.
yeah i know... but then.. why make fun of people calling it soccer in america... anyway.. I am probably just hot because of a discussion somewhere else with the same thing..

tell me guys, what does that have to do with PC games?
the discussion about US/EU releases is very old.. but the topic of this
discussion is about PC games.. =\
too bad nobody replied about this..
i'm really frustrated about this issue, and no one seems to care
so much about this issue.. maybe i'm the only one who is intrested at all in PC games? I think not..
less people have PS2, most of the people own a PC.
So why game companies don't release good and respectable footie games to PC?
Interesting. Very interesting.

i want the games to come out for pc with online play... but konami has a deal with sony... and codemasters had planned to take club football to pc.. but seemed they changed their minds..

because codemasters are kinda stupid.. actually.
and by the way - how Konami released a PC version of ISS if they have a deal with sony??
I doubt they have any deal with them.

Originally posted by Desert-Eagle
because codemasters are kinda stupid.. actually.
and by the way - how Konami released a PC version of ISS if they have a deal with sony??
I doubt they have any deal with them.

It's a different branch of Konami

konami have a exclusive deal with sony for winning eleven outside of japan.

which means.. In Japan they WILL release the game for PC?

no it means in japan they can release it for the gamecube...

Originally posted by valioso
they dont have to do NA teams... there are plenty of football fans in america.. that know their football well...

Yes, there are football fans in NA. But a majority of them do not support the MLS teams. KONAMI release MLS ExtraTime 2003 for the XBOX and Gamecube and it only sold around 15000 units. That's pretty pathetic. The sells figure was so sad that they cancel the PS2 version. If WE6I cannot sell more than 15000, forgot about We7I coming to the States.

I dont know how that has nothing to do with my quote.. but anyway...
the problem with mls extratime is that it was based on an outdated engine, I believe the one for ps2 was based on winning eleven 4 according to the credits.. and it only had 12 teams.. so it did get boring very easyli and it didnt get much publicity anyway... I had it for xbox and it was fun, but it was too easy.. you could do the same play over and over.. kind of like fifa really... but with 12 teams with not very good graphics.. and not many gameplay modes..

Originally posted by iceboy
winning eleven 6 (japan only)
PES2 (europe)
we6i (america)
we6fe (japan)

that's not really 4 games dude. they are from different regions.

Exactly,,,, each regions buys the game once, not twice,,,

except japan.. they buy it twice.. ;)

Originally posted by valioso
except japan.. they buy it twice.. ;)

Well at least they are getting a descent game, fifa 2002 and WC2002 both games sucked bad. ;)

yeap they did..

So thats why people won't complain like people do about EA. I mean at least WE/Pes has the gameplay..

yessir... :crazyboy:

I just dont know if they can make that much of a change to the game in 5-6 months to make it that different...

i think we will all be happy this year with new FIFA 2004. because EA focused on GAMEPLAY finaly, not just builiding graphics!!! www.fifa2003.ea.com take a look what EA said in LIVE CHAT from E3 Los Angeles ;) Cheers Mates ;)

Originally posted by valioso
yessir... :crazyboy:

I just dont know if they can make that much of a change to the game in 5-6 months to make it that different...

Well yeah the game animations look the same, I even think ISS2 on psx anim looks the same as WE for some reason, but at least they are fixing their gameplay bugs.

Originally posted by Hrvoje385
i think we will all be happy this year with new FIFA 2004. because EA focused on GAMEPLAY finaly, not just builiding graphics!!! www.fifa2003.ea.com take a look what EA said in LIVE CHAT from E3 Los Angeles ;) Cheers Mates ;)

I doubt at that very much.
EA are saying it over and over, and we havn't seen ANY
improvement of the gameplay in their previous games.
we just need to wait for the final version of the demo
to see the actual game, and not be fooled by rumors.

Desert-Eagle