Check em out, they are excellent :p


http://home.megapass.co.kr/~sephilo/movie09.wvx
http://home.megapass.co.kr/~sephilo/movie08.wvx






(the celebrations still look...hrm...well...)

Looks pretty good, but the sound isn't very impressive (even though they do shout "Nippon" almost continuously). Couldn't see anything of the supposedly new dribbling system either, but oh well, I guess it's an early beta.

Ohh my. Those celebrations are disturbing.:rolleyes:

Alot of improvements on the player's models. Better faces and hair. Players don't look have big shorts like WE6FE where they like they like "apes" as some prefer to call it.
Animations seems even more fluid this time around.

Still no ref. When is KONAMI going to implement one. Next time someone have an interview with SeaBass, can they ask the man why the ref have not been implement on the pitch during actual gameplay.

I thought the vids looked great. Fluidity of the game seems a lot smoother. The new dribbling system?! Never heard there was supposed to be one. I do see a difference in dribbling though, it looks a lot more realistic even though the vid quality is a bit shoddy. The first goal looked a bit cheap though. Hopefully they improved the keeper AI, not downgrade it! Nice to see the improvements of graphics in motion. Also, did I hear an in stadium announcer? hrmm... looks like it will be worth playing though!:p

i actually like the sound, the crowd got progressively louder as the ball got closer to the goal, thats great. then when it went in it got louder, i didnt hear that in we6i. i love the empty seats, makes everything just seem realer for me :hump: :hump:

i thought the game wasnt playable for 6 weeks

great vid, beat that EA

man now just imagine if it had leagues like WTS...

the hair graphics look good unlike WE6i..i hope WE7 comes to USA cuz i will surely buy it!!!

For an early beta it's looking great.

The jerseys looked a lot better too.

Still very concerned about the level of "man love" going on during the celebrations!!!

Nice Vid's great finding :)

is it finally here? THE ULTIMATE FOOTBALL GAME?(H)

The celebrations almost look identical with WE6:I. Great video, though !

To be honest, this looks incredible!!!

I remember last year before WE6/PES2 were released, the early videos and pictures didn't look to hot and look at those to games now (H)

It looks like a truely superb game

Lets see FIFA top that :D

dam i can´t seee them can anyone upload the movies somewhere please

Originally posted by TristanAbbott7


Still very concerned about the level of "man love" going on during the celebrations!!!



haha so true

cant dl them too! please post new links or upload the vidz!!!

Since they were streams I'm afraid that's not possible ...

http://www.dengekigames.jp/2003/07/movie/0530/movie/we7_02.wmv

http://www.dengekigames.jp/2003/07/movie/0530/movie/we7_01.wmv

jsut found these links on the net! but thx!

Positives:
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Some of the animations look pretty good.
The passing seems to have a lot more zip to it.
Keepers move better.
The header animation seems good.
Good pre-game animations
Shooting looks more varied.
Ball bouncing off feet/bad control of players
(hopefully this is true for CPU teams too)
:)
Better chants (albeit repetitive), when Japan scored the cheering
sounded very similar to the Japanese style of cheering...a shrill kind of noise....
(Hopefully they have improved the chants of most teams. And also I have a feeling the goal-cheers will be different for different teams)

Negatives:
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I thought the sprinting with the ball looked a bit dodgy at times.
Celebration animations look like they are in slow-motion.
What's with these gyrating celebrations ??? They seem to be getting worse with every release. :kader:

I posted this before on another forum:

They made the movie in a stripped window, which is a pitty, because I did see something about the radar in one of the screenshots. The radar was only visible for about 30% on that movie.
I got it from http://www.pesinsight.com/
In the screenshots I found out that the radar-dots did not all corresponding on the players on the screen!
Probably a bug they still worked at.
They changed the radar, where those two brackets disappeared (those to spot your player and the ball).
Another thing: Maybe it has to do with the quality from the movie, but in the playing scenes the ball looked too small ?!?!
It showed not much about the gameplay, because it was clearly on a very low level, like 1 or 2.

All in all I wait for other movies before I can say anything about it.

yep celebration just looks..... GAY. now more then ever in we6 was bad but now looks like village peaple backstage party :( i have nothing against gays but please fix this its the only negative aspect i see as for the rest nothing to say better bigger and cooler

from what I noticed, and I realize is a beta, the dribbling still look too easy, specially in both goals scored by japan, the defence just open like the red sea and he just dribbled thru the middle..
I liked that it seemed a little harder to control hard passes, as they bounced of the players legs and made them harder to control..
the graphics and animations have always been pretty good on WE so they still look good to me, but in the video I couldnt tel much difference from WE6 international.. but I hope that is much better when you play it..:rockman:

Hey, haven't you seen the real guys celebrating? It's about time the celebrations got "gayer" if you ask me. ;)

Originally posted by AnaMorph0s|s
Hey, haven't you seen the real guys celebrating? It's about time the celebrations got "gayer" if you ask me. ;)

Some just made my ignore list :p :crazyboy: :D

Yeah, the "man love" got a little disturbing in the group huddle when one player is clearly seen feeling another's butt for a good ten seconds and groping around!

(I'm all for this kind of thing in women's soccer!)

Thankfully nobody has made a dressing room cam for the PES/We series like they did for FIFA 2003 or else we really all could end up violated.

I've seen gayer celebrations in real life, man. Don't complain, juz enjoy it.

Originally posted by harmattan
I've seen gayer celebrations in real life, man. Don't complain, juz enjoy it.

True. But it's the gyrations that got me disturb. Seriously, I don't know who work on that celebration animations, but that guy need to stop putting so much manlove in the celebrations or he will ruin WE7 for me.

LOL

Originally posted by V-9
True. But it's the gyrations that got me disturb. Seriously, I don't know who work on that celebration animations, but that guy need to stop putting so much manlove in the celebrations or he will ruin WE7 for me.

You've gotta think who the heck is reviewing these animations before releasing it into a product for mass-consumption ??
I can understand maybe the guy who designs these animations being a bit "inclined" towards the gyrations....
but does'nt somebody in Konami's marketing/management review the animations :kader:

For people who say that "yeah just see the real celebrations in real-life"....bollocks !!
Look at Japan's second goal....Nakata goes and hugs the goalscorer and is thrusting his pelvis wildly...WTF ???? I've never seen such a celebration in 20 years of football !!

get over it guys, I dont think thats such a big deal

Originally posted by valioso
get over it guys, I dont think thats such a big deal

damn right! most important is about the game itself!

Originally posted by PRO_TOO
damn right! most important is about the game itself!

Yes, gameplay is should be the most important. But other aspects can make a good game into a great game. And yes, graphics, presentation, commentary are just as important as the gameplay. Sometimes its the little details that make the game much enjoyable. And celebrations are those little details.

I can guarantee you that the FIFA fans add the celebrations to their list of reasons not to like WE7.

Originally posted by V-9


I can guarantee you that the FIFA fans add the celebrations to their list of reasons not to like WE7.

yeah but is that a valid reason not to like it?

The celebrations arent that bad, and I have seen worst on a real soccer field.. if anyone feels threaten by it, is that they are not very secure on their own sexuality... :crazyboy:

Originally posted by valioso
yeah but is that a valid reason not to like it?

The celebrations arent that bad, and I have seen worst on a real soccer field.. if anyone feels threaten by it, is that they are not very secure on their own sexuality... :crazyboy:

Believe me, I am very secure about own sexuality. Just ask me GF.;)
As far as it being a valid reason to not like it, what about the 8 directional movement thing. You seems to harp on that. There will always be excuses for some people not to like WE. The celebrations will on added to that.

wow.. hit the brakes.. I never said I dont like winning eleven.... I own we 6 international, I had the pes2 psx version for a pc emulator and I love every second of it...
but I criticize EA for mistakes they make or things I would like to see improved and I do the same with winning eleven... I think that since winning eleven is for ps2 they should make use of the analog capabilities of it...

Originally posted by valioso
wow.. hit the brakes.. I never said I dont like winning eleven.... I own we 6 international, I had the pes2 psx version for a pc emulator and I love every second of it...
but I criticize EA for mistakes they make or things I would like to see improved and I do the same with winning eleven... I think that since winning eleven is for ps2 they should make use of the analog capabilities of it...

I never said you don't like winning eleven. I am saying that there will always be people who don't like a particular facets of a game. I don't like the overly affectionate (being PC correct) celebrations. And you don't like the 8 directional movements. But does make me not like WE7 overall as a game. NO. I am just disturb that someone would add those celebrations animations. I don't mind the hugging because we as men do sometimes hug. But gyrations. Please. Make it seems like a --- porno movie.

yeah it does look "akward" but is also very funny looking... maybe goal celebrations are different in japan... lol

and the reason i normally say about the 8-d, is because I think it would add a completely different dimension and depth of gameplay to the already great gameplay engine...

I just came upon the realization while surfing.. that maybe the celebrations is a marketing scheme from konami to appeal to the "alternative lifestyle" community...

Originally posted by valioso
I just came upon the realization while surfing.. that maybe the celebrations is a marketing scheme from konami to appeal to the "alternative lifestyle" community...

LOL !

By the way just because I do not like the celebrations does not mean that I'm threatened or insecure about their sexuality.
I just voiced my opinion on the gyrations.....if they cut that out then it looks fine to me.

Some people want referees in the game, some others want animations of the winning team doing laps around the stadium when they win a Cup.
Some people want normal celebrations, not the crap they put out.
When I score a last minute goal I love to see the emotions in the celebration, not some humping !!

But as you say, the gameplay is the most important thing for me.
I can always just skip the celebrations if I don't like it.

I'll be more disappointed if they don't fix the CPU cheating and scripted attacking/defending AI (WE6FE ML Extreme)

Originally posted by mathewsss
LOL !

By the way just because I do not like the celebrations does not mean that I'm threatened or insecure about their sexuality.


it was all in the name of good fun... :crazyboy:

Guys(with all respect:crazyboy: )I think that it will be tha same thing as WE6FE.I mean gameplay which is almost the same.From what I've seen konami improved the game only in graphics and features such as not crowded stadiums,chants,bandages,waters etc.But I saw some new moves though...

bs - from these two videos you can see that the animation is so much better, more fluid, more life like...

just hope they fix them collisions... (see that?)

Originally posted by jumbo
bs - from these two videos you can see that the animation is so much better, more fluid, more life like...

just hope they fix them collisions... (see that?)

Totally agree. From watching the vid, I thought the animation was much more realistic as well. :) Looks great, can't wait!

:)

just watched that second video again and all i can say is:

that goalie moves like a real person - fokin amazing animation.
the ball physics also seem better.

this game is gon' be perfect.

as for celebration -

don't see anything wrong with them... if i scored a goal in front of 50,000 people I'd rape my buddies too.

yep the game looks really cool i can´t wait

Originally posted by V-9
Yes, gameplay is should be the most important. But other aspects can make a good game into a great game. And yes, graphics, presentation, commentary are just as important as the gameplay. Sometimes its the little details that make the game much enjoyable. And celebrations are those little details.

I can guarantee you that the FIFA fans add the celebrations to their list of reasons not to like WE7.


Don't even compare FIFA to WE 7 !!!! **** celebrations!!!!!:crazyboy: :crazyboy: we want HUGE QUALITY GAMEPLAY and not that FIFA's CRAP!!!! And what about Winning Eleven Manager ????? What's going to hapen to TCM ??????? They're ****ed nicely, and that's not GAYER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:-puke:

KONAMI:Bow: :Bow: :Bow: :Bow: RULEZ all the way!!!!!

Let's Review:

1. You have 22 strappin' young men, their lithe firm bodies, all a glistening with sweat.

2. They run around a field, all fighting over a leather 'ball'

3. They all start out in a 'tunnel'. Not a woman in sight.

4. The match starts off (WE7) with loud pounding house music, with an amyl nitrate base.

5. All men are wearing slippery tops and boys pants with their socks pulled waaay up high.

6. All are sporting leather boots.

7. No 'hands' allowed, but you try get a 'headder' if you can.

8. One guy runs around the field writing down the number of the other men.

9. 'Rough play' in not condoned.

10. The main aim of the game is to 'shoot' into the opponents goal 'mouth'.

So is it any surprise that when those 11 'men' achieve their 'goal' they wanna celebrate a little?

Seriously though. I thought you were all being overly dramatic about the celebratory 'humping'. I have to say I laughed till I cried.

One serious question though. I read somewhere that there COULD be online play. Any new info?

J.K.

Originally posted by J. Klinsmann

One serious question though. I read somewhere that there COULD be online play. Any new info?

J.K.

Not that I know of, That would be pretty cool but I can also see it being pretty expensive :confused:

yeap the animations look much better, but it still seems like dribbling is too easy

""I just came upon the realization while surfing.. that maybe the celebrations is a marketing scheme from konami to appeal to the "alternative lifestyle" community..."""




Yo, if the one in charge of animations is rather inclined to his own gender, I do not give a damn,cos as far as I am concerned he is doing a damn good job in providing us with the best animations a sports title can have, making our gameplay all the more realistic. If he felt he wanted to personalise the celebrations segment for himself, at least we can let him have that as long as he keeps bringing us this drug every year.

wow it looks really good :D (H) :mrpimp: :)

Originally posted by valioso
I just came upon the realization while surfing.. that maybe the celebrations is a marketing scheme from konami to appeal to the "alternative lifestyle" community...

It's official now. Richard Simmons has officially endorsed WE7.

lol... thats funny... :rockman:

Originally posted by jumbo
bs - from these two videos you can see that the animation is so much better, more fluid, more life like...

just hope they fix them collisions... (see that?)

Yeah your right, some people are jelouse,,, :dragan:

V-9...PAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Originally posted by mathewsss
I'll be more disappointed if they don't fix the CPU cheating and scripted attacking/defending AI (WE6FE ML Extreme)

What??!?!?! I do not see any cheating or scripted AI on attacking or defensive on Extreme in WE6 FE.

Just take it on the chin when they beat you in the 90th min and chalk it up to YOU having to get better., NOT the CPU cheating. That is normally the first thing a person says when they cant move quick enough to the cpus decisions on the screen. Cheating! umm nope.

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA
What??!?!?! I do not see any cheating or scripted AI on attacking or defensive on Extreme in WE6 FE.

Just take it on the chin when they beat you in the 90th min and chalk it up to YOU having to get better., NOT the CPU cheating. That is normally the first thing a person says when they cant move quick enough to the cpus decisions on the screen. Cheating! umm nope.

First of all, how can you assume I am talking about last-minute goals. Did I mention it ?
It's arrogance on your part that you say that I should take it on the chin.
I have won Div 1 in ML Extreme WE6FE a lot of times in the last 4 months, so I'm not that bad at the game.
I agree I'm not as good as some people who can win ML with the default team, etc.

Go and look at the Evo-Web forums, there are threads by people who are comfortable at ML Extreme who have seen the same things I have seen repeatedly.
http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=6446
http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=5737

For your information the CPU rarely scores 90th minute goals against me. It may happen 1-2 times in a season.
What I am talking about is how the CPU prevents you from controlling your players whenever it feels convenient.
Especially when you are winning a game or are in a winning streak of games.

- Many times when I pass the ball (short pass), the receiver just lets it go without touching it. I am controlling the receiver. This happens even with decent players like Donovan, babangida, Fadiga. I've rarely seen the CPU make the same mistake.

- Sometimes you send a through ball, your player (babangida) is in lots of space with a clear run at goal from the wings. You try to make him run fast, nothing happens...he jogs so slowly...you can feel that he's not being allowed to run...the defender is miles behind him but he's sprinting so quickly.....When Babangida gets the ball he starts sprinting...but by then it's too late...the CPU gets enough defenders back into the penalty area.

- Control of defenders. How many times I have seen the defenders getting screwed by lack of control. Once there was a rebound and my defender is 2 yards from the ball. I'm controlling this guy but he moves so slowly...the CPU striker is 10 yards behind the defender but sprints in to score....WTF ??
No don't give me any BS on improving my defense. I consistently have the best Defense in ML Extreme every season !! Even with average players like Song, Diatta, Vorlander, West, Zago.

- Tugging of players. Every time the CPU tugs you I rarely ever get a foul. This happens too frequently on Extreme.
But if you ever do any tugging, the CPU calls a foul very frequently.
sometimes the Tugging goes on for 20 yards, and still there's no foul whereas in real-life the referee will not let it go for that long.

- Fouling is another thing. Man, how many times I've seen clean good tackles made by my player get the ball, but called for a foul.
Sometimes even for the most innocuous challenges Yellow/Red cards are brandished out. But if the CPU is going crazy fouling you in the last 5 minutes when you're leading 1:0, there's hardly a foul.
When CPU fouls my player who is clear on goal, I never see a Yellow/Red card. Whereas if I foul a guy on the half-way line I get a straight Red card. Fouling a CPU attacker who is clear on goal is always a Red card. I'm fine with that, but the CPU is too biased when it makes the foul.

- LOSS time: this is too funny to be real. Every single time I have noticed this. When the CPU is losing by a goal, they continue the game for so long...man it's so clearly biased.
But if I'm losing the game...LOSS time is so short...the final whistle is blown so abruptly...there is absolutely no time to make attacks.


As far as CPU AI is concerned, I feel the CPU AI is not very good.
The defence always packs 8 players in the penalty area, you have enough time to pass the ball around. this happens most of the time even if you are winning the game.
Attacking CPU AI is not that good. Most of the time it's a long ball, a flick on by one player and a header or shot. Or one guy runs to the byline, does a 180 turn and crosses. That's it.
Most of the time the CPU scores, I never feel "oh wow, what a superb goal"....instead "WTF ?? how did my defender not move or why did'nt the controller work ?" It's more a feeling of frustration.
The CPU AI in WE6 was fantastic, they pass the ball much better and there was less of this long-ball-flick-on-score crap.

When I want to defeat the CPU, it's more out of anger and frustration. There's not much to admire in the CPU's play.
You don't feel "wow, I got screwed by good football".
"wow look at the CPU AI, they played great".

I hope they can fix some of these issues in WE7, because it ruins a lot of the authenticity and fun of the WE experience.

i agree with mathew here, specially in the lack of response by the defenders....

Originally posted by mathewsss
- Many times when I pass the ball (short pass), the receiver just lets it go without touching it. I am controlling the receiver. This happens even with decent players like Donovan, babangida, Fadiga. I've rarely seen the CPU make the same mistake.


i agree with most of the points but the one above happens to me too but i think its because u hold R2 during the ball goes your receivers direction! and then he lets the ball go trough his legs or somethin! but thats a feature! i use is for some cool counter attacks!!!

Originally posted by PRO_TOO
i agree with most of the points but the one above happens to me too but i think its because u hold R2 during the ball goes your receivers direction! and then he lets the ball go trough his legs or somethin! but thats a feature! i use is for some cool counter attacks!!!


No, I suspected the same thing. But I don't press R2 when I receive a pass.
I think what you're talking about is "selling a dummy" as they say in England. The player lets the ball go between his legs when you press the R2 and the ball goes to your teammante.
Which is useful in some cases ;)

mathewsss - Many times when I pass the ball (short pass), the receiver just lets it go without touching it. I am controlling the receiver. This happens even with decent players like Donovan, babangida, Fadiga. I've rarely seen the CPU make the same mistake.

Gazza - Now I chalk this up to a bad pass, bad player position, cause it happens randomly and it has NOTHING to do with you winning.. I have had it happen, 2-0 up and 2-0 down, Normal level, to Extreme level. And you see that crap happen in real games sometimes.. nothing scripted IMO, or cheating. I agree that the CPU doesnt do that that often

mathewsss - Sometimes you send a through ball, your player (babangida) is in lots of space with a clear run at goal from the wings. You try to make him run fast, nothing happens...he jogs so slowly...you can feel that he's not being allowed to run...the defender is miles behind him but he's sprinting so quickly.....When Babangida gets the ball he starts sprinting...but by then it's too late...the CPU gets enough defenders back into the penalty area.

Gazza - I control this and get to the ball about 90% of the time, by breaking off the run (r1+r2) and then speed bursting. You have to to do it immediately once you suspect the player is locked in his strut. I agree that it is annoying, but I use the berak away button so much that it doesnt even phase me. And I get to the ball most of the time. Not scripted, Not cheating.. but maybe a small bug that could be fixed. in the mean time break away from the run works.

mathewsss -- Control of defenders. How many times I have seen the defenders getting screwed by lack of control. Once there was a rebound and my defender is 2 yards from the ball. I'm controlling this guy but he moves so slowly...the CPU striker is 10 yards behind the defender but sprints in to score....WTF ??
No don't give me any BS on improving my defense. I consistently have the best Defense in ML Extreme every season !! Even with average players like Song, Diatta, Vorlander, West, Zago.

Gazza - Again, breaking away from the runs of you defenders fast and often solves the player being locked into this slow movement. Rememember I'll I'm saying is.. its #1 not scripted #2 not the cpu f'ing you over by doing this. It happens on normal - extreme level, when you up when your down, and when you on a winning or losing streak.. Its not intentially coming up when the cpu needs help.. great man once said "yeah well you seem to notice these things alot more when you yourself arent playing well and making a few bad choices" The_Man is pretty much right on that one.

mathewsss - Tugging of players. Every time the CPU tugs you I rarely ever get a foul. This happens too frequently on Extreme.
But if you ever do any tugging, the CPU calls a foul very frequently.
sometimes the Tugging goes on for 20 yards, and still there's no foul whereas in real-life the referee will not let it go for that long.

Gazza - Agreed, Tugging is annoying, but also can be worked around.. and happens to me, like you... but I dont think the cpu is doing it to cheat me.

mathewsss - Fouling is another thing. Man, how many times I've seen clean good tackles made by my player get the ball, but called for a foul.
Sometimes even for the most innocuous challenges Yellow/Red cards are brandished out. But if the CPU is going crazy fouling you in the last 5 minutes when you're leading 1:0, there's hardly a foul.
When CPU fouls my player who is clear on goal, I never see a Yellow/Red card. Whereas if I foul a guy on the half-way line I get a straight Red card. Fouling a CPU attacker who is clear on goal is always a Red card. I'm fine with that, but the CPU is too biased when it makes the foul.

Gazza - I have seen that go both ways... but you have a point. but I think this is more a graphical problem, where tackles look clean and arnt or vice versa. Either way.. it happens on all levels. Your just to good now to have even get near a cpu defender on lower skill levels.

mathewsss - LOSS time: this is too funny to be real. Every single time I have noticed this. When the CPU is losing by a goal, they continue the game for so long...man it's so clearly biased.
But if I'm losing the game...LOSS time is so short...the final whistle is blown so abruptly...there is absolutely no time to make attacks.

Gazza - I'm neutral on that one. I think its ok. I think if the ball gets MF most of the time no matter who has it, who ever is up the whistle blows. It clearlys doesnt go by real stoppages in the game.

mathewsss - As far as CPU AI is concerned, I feel the CPU AI is not very good.
The defence always packs 8 players in the penalty area, you have enough time to pass the ball around. this happens most of the time even if you are winning the game.
Attacking CPU AI is not that good. Most of the time it's a long ball, a flick on by one player and a header or shot. Or one guy runs to the byline, does a 180 turn and crosses. That's it.
Most of the time the CPU scores, I never feel "oh wow, what a superb goal"....instead "WTF ?? how did my defender not move or why did'nt the controller work ?" It's more a feeling of frustration.
The CPU AI in WE6 was fantastic, they pass the ball much better and there was less of this long-ball-flick-on-score crap.

When I want to defeat the CPU, it's more out of anger and frustration. There's not much to admire in the CPU's play.
You don't feel "wow, I got screwed by good football".
"wow look at the CPU AI, they played great".

I hope they can fix some of these issues in WE7, because it ruins a lot of the authenticity and fun of the WE experience.

Gazza - I agree, but I have never played We6. This is my first WE game (outside MLS extra time 2002) but I dont see the cheating.. I do see the bugs, but all games have bugs.. and I'm sure you will see improvement. FE rocks all the same :)

Wow those movies are sweeet! Can't wait to play WE7! :p

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA

Gazza - Again, breaking away from the runs of you defenders fast and often solves the player being locked into this slow movement. Rememember I'll I'm saying is.. its #1 not scripted #2 not the cpu f'ing you over by doing this. It happens on normal - extreme level, when you up when your down, and when you on a winning or losing streak.. Its not intentially coming up when the cpu needs help.. great man once said "yeah well you seem to notice these things alot more when you yourself arent playing well and making a few bad choices" The_Man is pretty much right on that one.

Gazza - Agreed, Tugging is annoying, but also can be worked around.. and happens to me, like you... but I dont think the cpu is doing it to cheat me.

Gazza - I agree, but I have never played We6. This is my first WE game (outside MLS extra time 2002) but I dont see the cheating.. I do see the bugs, but all games have bugs.. and I'm sure you will see improvement. FE rocks all the same :)


I have to disagree about the "Bugs" thing.
Stuff like passing, controlling your player, getting tugged, not being able to sprint when you're clear on goal....These are not bugs. It's random acts of making your players uncontrollable. Why should i have to do supercancel R1+R2 just to run ? If I want to sprint or control my player I should just do so normally.
Bugs are somethings which are unintentionally left in the Software, things which may not have been tested.
Many of these things don't happen in WE6.

Anyway you don't seem to have played WE6, so maybe these "bugs" appear normal to you and you appear to have mastered them.
But for someone who has played WE from WE5 onwards, these things don't look like bugs. They are in the game for a purpose.
If they were'nt there, then ML Extreme would be terribly easy.
These AI Scripts are there to make the game "challenging" in a twisted way I guess.
I would wish that they make ML Extreme challenging without resorting to such "Bugs" LOL !

I gotta go with Gazza, there are many times I think wow when seeing some sequence of events that just look so real in FE.. And many games win or lose where i think that was some good football. Im sure we all feel that way. But of course there is some bad :)

Mashing down L1+L2 is an absolute must practically all the time. :) Any time your guy moves slow, turns around, looks funny etc can all be fixed by this.

The watching the pass go by your feet while standing still sthing i have never really been able to stop, since if you break off chances are you run away from ball. But I agree with Gazza this happens infrequently and all the time no matter the level or score.

The tugging - is a bit annoying, theres certain times like when running onto a throughball with no defenders between you and goal where this should be a card sohuld it not? but any other time, just turn away from the defender. When two people are even dont they usualy bump each other trying to get/shield the ball? Seems ok to me. otherwise you'd just end up sprinting down field with babangida all the time. The you getting called for a foul is perhaps how hard you press square or x? cpu doesnt knock you down while "tugging" whilst i tend to mash X and slam into the cpu player at times and get called for fouls.

slide tackling and fouling needs to be fixed :) Yes on extreme it does seem like the cpu can foul you and get away with it more than on other levels.

On AI - I agree the cpu attacking AI needs improvement. You can see some good looking attacks by them, but you have to stop the man with the ball (which is tough - since your defenders AI controlled aren't that helpful) or else if in middle they take shot, or if on side they do that 180 turn and cross - I think the 180 turn and cross is OK though, you have two options, play the cross with no 180 or play the 180 - just like real life. get on him and "tug" and if he does 180 you get the ball. stay back and you can hold down r2 (face ball) and try to block cross. Dont hit X cause X makes you charge a bit at the ball, and if you are not "tugging" the cpu will almost always do a 180 leaving you a few yards away and quite annoyed.

But i think if you harass the ball a bit, the cpu has to pass it aorund more, giving time for your guys to come back, and for cpu attackers to get there to help, which results in better looking play than the quick shot or cross.. Again it would help if your CPU defenders played better. Two things. On Crosses, your cpu defenders will keep running toward goal after the cross while the attacker they were on stops and gets a wide open header. (switch and break off to challenge the header) The other thing is your defenders seem to close off passing lanes on accident. :)

The CPU defense though i believe is where you see true football (on extreme) Whoever has the ball is surrounded by guys cutting off passing lanes forward, and pressuring the ball. Many times you do have to pass the ball back a bit and around realistically. And if you are winning on extreme (especially in the last "15") the CPU players will always sprint and aggressively try to take the ball or slide. if you knock the ball ahead on a sprint you have a good chance to lose it - or you get there in time and make a brilliant juke and hurdle over slide tackle for a open shot on goal. good stuff.

Only thing i dont like on the attack is your players all run forward. Many times you have to clear the ball in defense, or from defensive half position because no one will show to the ball. but get around 18 yd box and its all good.

You on attack - Great except cpu teammates not showing to ball.
You on defense - not so great, switching problems, marking up problems, breaking off all the time... but slow em down and it looks better.

Mark

Originally posted by mathewsss
I have to disagree about the "Bugs" thing.
Stuff like passing, controlling your player, getting tugged, not being able to sprint when you're clear on goal....These are not bugs. It's random acts of making your players uncontrollable. Why should i have to do supercancel R1+R2 just to run ? If I want to sprint or control my player I should just do so normally.
Bugs are somethings which are unintentionally left in the Software, things which may not have been tested.
Many of these things don't happen in WE6.

Anyway you don't seem to have played WE6, so maybe these "bugs" appear normal to you and you appear to have mastered them.
But for someone who has played WE from WE5 onwards, these things don't look like bugs. They are in the game for a purpose.
If they were'nt there, then ML Extreme would be terribly easy.
These AI Scripts are there to make the game "challenging" in a twisted way I guess.
I would wish that they make ML Extreme challenging without resorting to such "Bugs" LOL !

Hmm yeha true :) its amazing though that most of my games tend to end up with realistic scoring I think .... I tend to score mostly 2 or less... hmm extreme mode D2 - 37 goals for 22 against? out of 30? Hows that look to realife? How does everyone elses seasons end up goals for and against?

Hmm its gotta be hard to do the AI and end up not tipping the balance, it seems to me they left those "bugs" as you say to balance things.. many also are probably related to stats of players and teamwork and all that..

Just fix the darned slidetackling fouling thing - I got the ball! I got the ball! red card?! no!

the one complain I have about defence, is that sometimes u guy just wont react, not that he moves slowly, but that it takes a good 2 seconds for him to start reacting to the fact you are telling him to move. By that time the pc already scores...

I agree with mathewws in most of the points he makes.. but well.. winning eleven is sacred so we are not supposed to say anything bad about it...

what does IMO stand for???

Originally posted by valioso
the one complain I have about defence, is that sometimes u guy just wont react, not that he moves slowly, but that it takes a good 2 seconds for him to start reacting to the fact you are telling him to move. By that time the pc already scores...

I agree with mathewws in most of the points he makes.. but well.. winning eleven is sacred so we are not supposed to say anything bad about it...

Hold on....Winning eleven is not "sacred"...it's the best soccer/football game out there. But it's not perfect.
It's a million miles ahead of FIFA, but that does not mean we should all bow our heads down and worship it and ignore the faults ;)

To Grasshopa: about the scores, so far in Div 1 the highest I've done is 55 goals scored and 17 against.
In Div 2 I normally end up with 40 goals scored, 20 against.

i was being sarcastic.

IMO stands for in my opinion

Just curious Gazza:
regarding the bugs and all that stuff
Do you play Master League on Extreme Level ?

Originally posted by Grasshopa
Hmm yeha true :) its amazing though that most of my games tend to end up with realistic scoring I think .... I tend to score mostly 2 or less... hmm extreme mode D2 - 37 goals for 22 against? out of 30? Hows that look to realife? How does everyone elses seasons end up goals for and against?


the most amount of goals i have scored in a DIV 1 Extreme season is 87 :) dunno bout goals against!

Originally posted by Chelsea2001
the most amount of goals i have scored in a DIV 1 Extreme season is 87 :) dunno bout goals against!

I get about 7-11 goals scored against me a season (H)

Originally posted by mathewsss
Just curious Gazza:
regarding the bugs and all that stuff
Do you play Master League on Extreme Level ?

Yes I do, played a total of 10 seasons on extreme, winning d3, tiny cup. d1, ML cup, and ML champ cup Many times. hsi season was the first I actually won the treble. But since getting d1 5 seasons ago I have only not won the league once. my first season. and have taken at least one trophey every season. The solution to the most of the bugs or gameplay probs is breakin off the run which lets you continue on full speed in what ever direction you want... very useful.

well it still seems to have thos silly little irritating things
like
player stading around after losing the ball or even winning it
celebration are same and still weird as players seem to vibrate ...
Defense just lays off atack

well see

Originally posted by ShearerM4
well it still seems to have thos silly little irritating things
like
player stading around after losing the ball or even winning it
celebration are same and still weird as players seem to vibrate ...
Defense just lays off atack

well see

Well it is an early version of it , maybe there still working on a couple of things

there wont be online play, online will be for roster updates

http://ps2.ign.com/articles/422/422389p1.html

Makes sense... Not sure how they would work it anyway for us.. since the game is technically for Japan and surrounding areas only. How would we connect in N. America?

the connecting to the internet is the same way in the whole world.. as long as u have the network adaptor, I guess U can get online.. but I dont know I dont own a ps2 so I havent really read much of the online play with ps2

Yeah true... just not sure how online play would connect to servers in Japan, with a patched version of We7.. Since I will not play the true japanesse version. Cant read that stuff :)

Originally posted by valioso
the connecting to the internet is the same way in the whole world.. as long as u have the network adaptor, I guess U can get online.. but I dont know I dont own a ps2 so I havent really read much of the online play with ps2

I think KONAMI of Europe will have the online feature on their servers for PES3. Same goes for North America if WE7I ever comes here.

Valioso, you don't have a PS2 but you have WE6I. Damn, you are hardcore. I would never buy a game unless I have the console for it.

heh

Originally posted by V-9
I think KONAMI of Europe will have the online feature on their servers for PES3. Same goes for North America if WE7I ever comes here.

Valioso, you don't have a PS2 but you have WE6I. Damn, you are hardcore. I would never buy a game unless I have the console for it.

i dont own it, but I let my brother in law borrow my xbox so I could borrow his ps2 to play the game

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA
Yes I do, played a total of 10 seasons on extreme, winning d3, tiny cup. d1, ML cup, and ML champ cup Many times. hsi season was the first I actually won the treble. But since getting d1 5 seasons ago I have only not won the league once. my first season. and have taken at least one trophey every season. The solution to the most of the bugs or gameplay probs is breakin off the run which lets you continue on full speed in what ever direction you want... very useful.

Well that's easy is'nt it ?
If you are playing with the same team for 10 seasons in a row and if you have been in Div 1 for 5 seasons, it is very easy to take advantage of the bugs/cheating.
Because you would have a lot of good players in your team by now and you would be beating the CPU most of the time.

I did not continue with the same team for more than 8 seasons so far. I have played with 4 teams in ML Extreme:
PSV, Liverpool, Real Madrid and currently Man Utd

The only time I bought any superstars was with Real Madrid and I got bored of winning by the time I finished my 8th season.
I had won a lot of Div 1s, Cups, etc.
At that time I did not notice too many of these problems because I had very good players who could blow the CPU away.

Maybe if you stop sticking with one team and try taking many teams through Div 3 and Div2 then you might see what I'm talking about.

isnt this thread about WE7 movies??? i was just wondering... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;) ;) ;)

Originally posted by mathewsss
Well that's easy is'nt it ?
If you are playing with the same team for 10 seasons in a row and if you have been in Div 1 for 5 seasons, it is very easy to take advantage of the bugs/cheating.
Because you would have a lot of good players in your team by now and you would be beating the CPU most of the time.

I did not continue with the same team for more than 8 seasons so far. I have played with 4 teams in ML Extreme:
PSV, Liverpool, Real Madrid and currently Man Utd

The only time I bought any superstars was with Real Madrid and I got bored of winning by the time I finished my 8th season.
I had won a lot of Div 1s, Cups, etc.
At that time I did not notice too many of these problems because I had very good players who could blow the CPU away.

Maybe if you stop sticking with one team and try taking many teams through Div 3 and Div2 then you might see what I'm talking about.

Dude, my team is a mix of average players with some goos stars for one part. I dont go out and buy great players every season. And if you looked around the threads here you would see that I was postign about how silly people are in their ML cause all they do is buy the greatest palyers from all the same teams they are competeting against in the season. I DO NOT do that.. I buy from teams in the lower divisions and free agents and more often then not.. the players are averagem, but fill a role for me.

Also I have more the one ML going, so dont assume you have any idea how good I really am. I got out of D3, in one.. yes thats right one season on extreme with Bayern Munich, with all but 2 players on my team were default players.., I won d3, and finish 2nd in the play off to get to d2.
See the things you call cheating, I dont call cheating. And I break off the cpus so much on both offense and defense that It doesnt affect me. I'm good.. and dont complain about the little things.

Also won America's cup and Eupropean Cup on Extreme. So no need to question my ability. Its amazing what R2+R1, confidence and ability can do for ya :) with default players or ronaldo. Instead of calling it cheating, take the initiative break off the run and beat the defenders ass.

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA
Also I have more the one ML going, so dont assume you have any idea how good I really am. I got out of D3, in one.. yes thats right one season on extreme with Bayern Munich, with all but 2 players on my team were default players.., I won d3, and finish 2nd in the play off to get to d2.
See the things you call cheating, I dont call cheating. And I break off the cpus so much on both offense and defense that It doesnt affect me. I'm good.. and dont complain about the little things.

Also won America's cup and Eupropean Cup on Extreme. So no need to question my ability. Its amazing what R2+R1, confidence and ability can do for ya :) with default players or ronaldo. Instead of calling it cheating, take the initiative break off the run and beat the defenders ass.

Don't take it personally Gazza, but you were the one who assumed I was not good enough when you replied to my first post about cheating. You said I should take it on the chin
and should play better and that guys who can't beat the CPU normally give such excuses. You said this without even a clue of
my level of expertise in this game/series.

When you claimed you never played WE6 or WE5FE, that's what made me wonder if you really understood what I'm talking about.
Which is why I questioned your ability in tackling ML Extreme ?

BTW you don't have to tell me not to complain about "small" things.
That's my free will and You are free to say that these small things are not cheating. I respect that.

Anyway, I don't want to argue anymore. You made your point about using the break-away. I'll try it out for sure, but I don't like the idea. It's not that I have too much trouble beating the CPU. I normally win a lot of my games.

Hey, it seems you are a good player ! It's great you came out of Div 3 in one season. I've done the same too with ManU with 3 new players. I also rarely buy superstars. Only done it once with Real Madrid and it got too easy.
I enjoy taking the Donovans, Songs, Wests, etc to glory.

Peace !
End of Topic.
Sorry folks for using this thread for an "Off-topic"

I wasnt arguing bro, I think there is really no way to depict a ton of voice in these forums. I wasnt referring to the people in general I have heard make the same cheating comments. And I say if it was cheating then they wouldnt have put in the r1+r2 button :)

But anyway I try not to buy superstars, although at some point I do get a few.. but I use my rule system to look at free agents and lower division players.... and I'm oftening trying new people out each ML. I played 10 season with Man U only becuase it took me 10 season to win the freaking treble :) once I do that I start over.

:)

I'd like to add a few grievances to mathew's list, because it seemed quite theraputic, and I need a bit of therapy :)


clearances - in three successive headers or less, the cpu will be on a counter attack, and near your area, 9 out of 10 times. when my goal is under attack, such as during corners, and my player hits the ball in the meat to clear, it looks like he's hit a balloon, and not a solid football. the ball floats just out of the area, where a cpu player is ALWAYS there to collect and have a second, and then third chance on goal before i can get a good touch to clear... again. I rarely get a second effort on goal. i've been through many players, many different attacking strats, formations; nothing changes. same difference. same result. if you watch the radar you can actually see your stupid defenders running AWAY, or getting back to defend, doesn't matter, while the cpu collects the ball at midfield uncontested. when has this ever happened in a real match? well, never say never. but, never. unless you hate your teammates and wish them all the misery in the world.

ratings/arrows/teamwork compatability = useless - yup. red arrow, 99 teamwork, 90+ short pass skill..... miss kick. two minutes later, standing still, facing eachother, becks passes to keane under no pressure.... miss kick. oh, keano must have let slip his concentration just a brief moment for the thought of pounding McAteer who was coincidentally on the pitch that game. those konami programmers are top for bringing such realism to the masses. flippin A! or something. one last time - Becks to Gary Neville... miss.... oh wait! nope. miss kick.

once during a match a boca striker had three of my defenders on him, i think it was ferdinand, roy keane, and stam. disregarding this fact, he continued to dribble into my area, where he was met at the penalty spot by my keeper. he then proceeded to round my keeper, with the defenders on his back, and slot calmy into my open goal to equalise. (i then PURPOSELY conceded a corner, to draw their keeper out, cleared, and scored a goal from the halfway line to win*which is a little thing i figured out and perfected heh heh heh*, prompting a tapestry of profanity to be painted across the cool night's breeze that evening in joy for shoving it straight back up the cpu's arse.)

it seems my satisfaction comes from beating the cpu, literally at it's own game, rather than experiencing wonderful football. losing a match because you triend to force things, is your fault. losing because the other team came up with a moment of brilliance, sucks, but whatever. losing because you're player was clear on goal, but then went into convulsions and R1 + R2 failed to ressusitate him in time to score the winning goal... is alarming. and then, just plain crap.

does the cpu cheat? that's a matter of opinion. but i've never seen the cpu players go into convulsion on the brink of scoring a goal, i've never had a player standing in the middle of the pitch, alone, to collect a clearance from my keeper, and i've never managed to round a keeper with three quality defenders all over mine.

in conclusion, i would just like to say it's a good thing konami came out to say they've only achieved 30% of their target for what they envision this game ultimately being, because that's about how satisfied i am with it, as a responsible consumer of a product i have voluntarily purchased under no threat to my health, well being, or life, or that of my family members, friends, or loved ones, whatsoever.

and, also, whater. or something.

thank you all kindly.

ole :-puke:

that word is resuscitate.

whatever

ole :p

Never knew WE could appear to be "that" bad to some of you guys out there.

A football fan myself, WE is quite amusing.

Especially when having friends over.

Even on 5 stars or Extreme, never felt I was being greatly cheated by the cpu. Yes it maybe there at times, but doesn't ruin the whole gaming experience.

Guess its just me...

But yes, I'm not enjoying WE6i as much as I did with WE6.

Originally posted by hchu
Never knew WE could appear to be "that" bad to some of you guys out there.

A football fan myself, WE is quite amusing.

Especially when having friends over.

Even on 5 stars or Extreme, never felt I was being greatly cheated by the cpu. Yes it maybe there at times, but doesn't ruin the whole gaming experience.

Guess its just me...

But yes, I'm not enjoying WE6i as much as I did with WE6.

Well since I'm the one who started the complaining ;)
let me say that I have really enjoyed playing Konami's games all the way from ISSPE1,2 , WE5FE, WE6 and upto WE6FE.
I love playing the game, but it still is'nt perfect. It's the best footy game out there.

WE6 was fantastic, awesome. The only problem in that one was the slow CPU defenders being able to catch up with your quick strikers. But otherwise there was tons of midfield action because the CPU had good AI, the defense was tough, the attack was really really good. It felt great beating the CPU with intelligent football. I guess one gripe people had was that you had to rely on a super-quick passing game to beat the CPU on Extreme.
The CPU was very quick on cutting down attacks.

PES2 from what I've heard was tweaked so that it favoured attacking football. You could pass the ball around and dribble much more easily. The CPU did not challenge you in midfield allowing you to move the ball around. This resulted in a game too easy to attack. They created an imbalance.
This is information I got from players in the UK.

WE6 JL was an improved version of WE6 in terms of gameplay.
So it had all the good CPU AI and to win matches you had to play good intelligent stuff. Just like in WE6.

Now WE6FE was based off PES2 which was not the best thing to do. Seabass in an interview admitted to not having much time to test WE6FE/PES2. They had to cram it in without much testing.
My feeling is (and so is some people in the Evo-web UK forum)
is that they needed to fix the balance in quick time. So they had to introduce a few bugs/cheating to even things out.
What you have in WE6FE is the lack of midfield battles.
The CPU just packs the penalty box with upto 8 players and waits
for you to attack. This happens irrespective of whether it is Real Madrid or West Ham. Most of the CPU teams play the same. They play mostly on the counter-attack. Long-ball, flick-on, striker clear on goal.
The CPU seems to have dumbed down from WE6.
So now beating the CPU is not as fulfilling in a sense as it was in WE6 or WE6 JL.

Seabass in the interview claimed that he wanted to plan much more time for WE7. Hopefully they will have had that time to balance out the gameplay & AI issues.
Hopefully they will make WE7 a cross of WE6's superb AI and some of the good stuff from WE6FE.

The cheating/bugs thing...well it depends. I've seen it mainly on ML Extreme. People have said that these things happen less often when you play with 2 people in a Cup/League because you are not playing against the CPU.
ML is against the CPU, so that could be the problem.

Anyway I'm really looking forward to WE7. I'm keeping myself busy playing WE6FE till August.
I'm also thinking of going back to WE6 just for the heck of it.
That one was a beauty !

Originally posted by olewole
I'd like to add a few grievances to mathew's list, because it seemed quite theraputic, and I need a bit of therapy :)


I felt the same when I was browsing the Evo-web UK forums
:)

Originally posted by olewole
clearances - in three successive headers or less, the cpu will be on a counter attack, and near your area, 9 out of 10 times. where a cpu player is ALWAYS there to collect and have a second, and then third chance on goal before i can get a good touch to clear... again. I rarely get a second effort on goal.

if you watch the radar you can actually see your stupid defenders running AWAY, or getting back to defend, doesn't matter, while the cpu collects the ball at midfield uncontested.


I've seen that, and other people have too.
This stuff was more balanced in WE6.
I've played WE6 for about 8 months, and it was far more satisfying beating the CPU.
Even when I lost games, I felt "oh ok I got what I deserved"

Originally posted by olewole
ratings/arrows/teamwork compatability = useless - yup. red arrow, 99 teamwork, 90+ short pass skill..... miss kick. two minutes later, standing still, facing eachother, becks passes to keane under no pressure.... miss kick. oh, keano must have let slip his concentration just a brief moment for the thought of pounding McAteer who was coincidentally on the pitch that game. those konami programmers are top for bringing such realism to the masses. flippin AI or something. one last time - Becks to Gary Neville... miss.... oh wait! nope. miss kick.



ROFLMAO !!!! Keane and McAteer !!
Yeah that crap does happen once in a while. I try not to let it bother me too much. And honestly I've seen the CPU make similar mistakes but less often.


Originally posted by olewole
in conclusion, i would just like to say it's a good thing konami came out to say they've only achieved 30% of their target for what they envision this game ultimately being, because that's about how satisfied i am with it, as a responsible consumer of a product i have voluntarily purchased under no threat to my health, well being, or life, or that of my family members, friends, or loved ones, whatsoever.
ole :-puke:

LOL !! I know how you feel. I have been buying Konami games for the last 2-3 years so I think I have the right to praise or complain their product of which I am a customer.
No game can be perfect and WE is the best footy game out there
and atleast it's better than the 0% of football being marketed every year by that sham called F*I*F*A :kader:

Roll on WE7...I hope & pray it's worth the wait !!
Peace !

WE6FE was based on WE6Jleague.

Originally posted by Richard Cranium
WE6FE was based on WE6Jleague.

WE6FE indeed came after WE6 Jleague.
But if you look at PES2 and WE6FE they play much more closely to each other. So is WE6I.

But WE6 and WE6 JL are much more similar.

WE6 JL is rather different from WE6FE.
The gameplay and CPU AI is better in WE6 JL.
Pity the game has'nt got as much exposure outside of Japan though.

WE6fe's gameplay and gameflow is much better than we6i, we6jap, and pes2. I didn't have we6 jl so i can't compare. But compared to the 3 above, we6fe is on a league of its own. However, the improved gameflow made humans easier to play against cpu, hence it seems that the ai is less smart now.

Im not all for fluidity of game flow or whatever u call it. Ive heard that WE6FE flows much better, much better than its predecessors. That is good to some extent. To the extent where it loses those midfield tussles where players lose control, passes go astray, players are jittery, tentative, apprehensive at making passes etc. then we lose an important component of the game. it is rare in real life to see a team with seamless control breeze through from their defense to the opponents penalty area without some sort of hiccup along the way, and from what I have read and seen (through videos) about WE6FE that is possible. Not every team can play like Madrid or Manchester, and even these teams cant do this **** all through 90 minutes. There are occasional bursts of brilliance from every team every once in a while where every player was well positioned, understanding was outer-worldly, anticipation was godly, execution was flawless, and the goal was immaculate. But this happens only twice or thrice in a game. Otherwise all games are scrappy and full of blunders and midfield mayhem. Now as to whether konami can maintain this fluidity but still have the jerks and blunders remains to be seen. They seem to be experimenting in WE7 with the collisions and all. More grease to their elbows.

im out

Originally posted by mathewsss
WE6FE indeed came after WE6 Jleague.
But if you look at PES2 and WE6FE they play much more closely to each other. So is WE6I.

But WE6 and WE6 JL are much more similar.

WE6 JL is rather different from WE6FE.
The gameplay and CPU AI is better in WE6 JL.
Pity the game has'nt got as much exposure outside of Japan though.

err no they dont Jleague and PEs are more closer then FE and PES that is the oppinion of most f the die hards at Gamefaqs including myself.

Yeah FE is way different in feel then PES2, or WE6I

Originally posted by Gascoigne USA
Yeah FE is way different in feel then PES2, or WE6I

makes me wonder if Matt has actually played them all:rolleyes:

well I have no idea what he has played, all I know is i have heard nothing different. Everyone I spokle to, every post & article I have read where all about the differences in gameplay and stuff between WE6 FE and teh PES series, and We6I is nothing more then a NTSC port of Pes2. WE6I and PES2 are very different in feel then We6 FE.

My 1000th post! (H)

Timma

Originally posted by Richard Cranium
makes me wonder if Matt has actually played them all:rolleyes:

Well I have to admit I can be wrong about the FE-PES2 similarities. My apologies for that one :)

I have FE and 6I. I play FE most of the time. Hardly touched 6I.
Yes 6I is a NTSC port of PES2. I thought PES2 and FE were similar to each other. I've seen some PES2 & FE gameplay videos posted by the_man and he seemed to play them very similarily. Maybe that's because he's too good :)
So therefore I assumed FE & PES2 were closer to each other than
say JL and FE were.

My original thoughts were solely about FE and WE6
both of which I have played a lot.

I hate how the cpu defenders run down my attackers,players standing still or delayed reaction to a pass or whatever.I find that the controls are just not tight enough for EXTREME level,I'm kind of sick of it,well I may just suck but I just don't enyoy the Extreme level.Anybody stopped playing Extreme mode because of the "cpu cheats" WE6I.