"Arsenal are preparing a massive raid for Juventus goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon.
Italian press reports suggest Gunners chairman Peter Hill-Wood is ready to break the bank to bring the Italian No1 to Highbury as David Seaman's replacement next season.

Arsenal are reportedly willing to offer Juve £10 million, plus French striker Sylvain Wiltord in exchange for Buffon.

It's an offer that Juve are reportedly considering very seriously."

what to ya reckon?? bollocks? i think so.

Originally posted by Oz_Leeds_Fan
"Arsenal are preparing a massive raid for Juventus goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon.
Italian press reports suggest Gunners chairman Peter Hill-Wood is ready to break the bank to bring the Italian No1 to Highbury as David Seaman's replacement next season.

Arsenal are reportedly willing to offer Juve £10 million, plus French striker Sylvain Wiltord in exchange for Buffon.

It's an offer that Juve are reportedly considering very seriously."

what to ya reckon?? bollocks? i think so.

yeah, right:rolleyes:...Juve paid £32m for Buffon:|...and somehow I don't think Wilturd is worth £22m(H).

Bollocks! (N)

Lippi is an idiot if he sells Buffon! I don't believe this......and plus Wiltord in exchange? Bah, they've already tried 2 french forwards earlier, Henry and now Trez, and none of them seem to have been THAT impressive...

If Buffon is in exchange for Henry, it will be more reasonable!

i don't think juventus are that desperate to get wiltord and 10 million is just a joke... like dragan said... bollocks!!!:rolleyes:

HAHAHAHA, Arsenal can't even afford half of that transfer sum.

BS

Originally posted by Vazza
yeah, right:rolleyes:...Juve paid £32m for Buffon:|...and somehow I don't think Wilturd is worth £22m(H).


Fuzzy math!
they paid £32m then, and they overpaid; at today's market he is probably worth about £15.
£15m is the equivalent of Wiltord and £10m .

Having said that, it's obviously nonsense, the transfer/trade, I mean.

Originally posted by antithesis
Fuzzy math!
they paid £32m then, and they overpaid; at today's market he is probably worth about £15.
£15m is the equivalent of Wiltord and £10m .

Having said that, it's obviously nonsense, the transfer/trade, I mean.

Heh...maths never was my stong point when I was at school(H) but you do make some sound points there(Y).

would be very good for Arsenal , but dont see it happen , i think they cant even pay his wage

come thats not happening, what is Arsenal gonna waste their 10m to spend on one gk. Despite arsenal not having much to spend they r constantly linked with these big names, what next Ronaldo, Zidane, Trez? Plz Arsenal fans should accept that they'll get another no name French player like Cygan.

Last i heard Arsenal weren't thinking about a keeper. Especially not one of that price, so it's obviously a load crap.

Just watch Cygan...see his last 2 games? He's getting used to the EPL.

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
Last i heard Arsenal weren't thinking about a keeper. Especially not one of that price, so it's obviously a load crap.

Just watch Cygan...see his last 2 games? He's getting used to the EPL.
yeah but hes still crap :f***: :s***:

Man... Buffon is priceless. 10 million, are you kidding, he is worth atleast 35 million by the way he performed this season.

£10 million and two world class players....wiltord is not.....should
be pires and vieira then it would be acceptable...buffon is a good keeper....arsenals scouts are very poor....what about that shaaban guy....i think arsene wenger is insane to bid for buffon with a low price....

Originally posted by fifafanv1
£10 million and two world class players....wiltord is not.....should
be pires and vieira then it would be acceptable...buffon is a good keeper....arsenals scouts are very poor....what about that shaaban guy....i think arsene wenger is insane to bid for buffon with a low price....
lol, that's true. Arsenal scouts are poor. Every big name Arsenal were linked with, was linked with United before and the rest that wasn't linked was......ummm......Cygan style. If Arsenal did make that bid, i would like to see the rection from Juventus:D . Especially how they would laugh about it.

all this bogus criticism about Cygan is really annoying. I wish anyone here can pinpoint an instant when Cygan looked silly against ANY, ANY, attacker in ANY, ANY game this season.

Cygan has been messed about for 1) backing away against Rooney who shot and scored from 20yards!

2) being too far upfield and allowing Carew to receive the pass from Aimar that led to their first goal in the away leg.

If that makes you a lousy player then everyone is...
Just is disappointing when the members here let the media decide for them. Not one of these members have ever posted about the "blunders" Cyagn has supposedly made, because they weren't made, they were "made up".

We need a thread about media inventions/deletions that are now believed to be true.
I nominate

a) P Neville's allegedly brilliant game against Arsenal
b) R Keane was brilliant in the latter half of the season
c) Arsenal has a poor defence
d)Parlour is a driving force in the Arsenal midfield
e)ManU are better than Arsenal with headers and goals from corners.

United rarely scored from Corners this season :(

But when the old united kicked in... we saw the corner fly in like old times..;)

Originally posted by antithesis
all this bogus criticism about Cygan is really annoying. I wish anyone here can pinpoint an instant when Cygan looked silly against ANY, ANY, attacker in ANY, ANY game this season.

Cygan has been messed about for 1) backing away against Rooney who shot and scored from 20yards!

2) being too far upfield and allowing Carew to receive the pass from Aimar that led to their first goal in the away leg.

If that makes you a lousy player then everyone is...
Just is disappointing when the members here let the media decide for them. Not one of these members have ever posted about the "blunders" Cyagn has supposedly made, because they weren't made, they were "made up".

We need a thread about media inventions/deletions that are now believed to be true.
I nominate

a) P Neville's allegedly brilliant game against Arsenal
b) R Keane was brilliant in the latter half of the season
c) Arsenal has a poor defence
d)Parlour is a driving force in the Arsenal midfield
e)ManU are better than Arsenal with headers and goals from corners.
Blackburn:rolleyes: and almost all the CL games Cygan played in. Cygan did play bad in the season, can't you remember the period, when everybody was saying that Arsenal have no weakest links, except Cygan?

you just proved the point mate.
what was the error he made against Blackburn?

Originally posted by antithesis
you just proved the point mate.
what was the error he made against Blackburn?
What was the error? Didn't you see the game? The whole arsenal team played bad, especailly Cygan.

Originally posted by fifafanv1
£10 million and two world class players....wiltord is not.....should
be pires and vieira then it would be acceptable...buffon is a good keeper....arsenals scouts are very poor....what about that shaaban guy....i think arsene wenger is insane to bid for buffon with a low price....

:| Wiltord is a STRIKER he plays MIDFIELD for Arsenal, i think he does a fine job playing out of position. He's also a French international, you know, France are the hottest NT in europe at the moment, that counts for something.

Shaaban hasen't played because he has a BROKEN LEG, you go play Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Everton, Southampton, ect. with a broken leg. He kept a clean sheet v. PSV this year in one of the few matches he played.

"should be pires and vieira", Two of the best players in the world, Paddy alone is worth most players and alot of cash. In that case Buffon is worth David Beckham, Ruud van Nistelrooy and £10 million?

How is Arsene insane to bid with a low price? All they can do is turn him down and laugh, not like they can decapitate him.

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
:| Wiltord is a STRIKER he plays MIDFIELD for Arsenal, i think he does a fine job playing out of position. He's also a French international, you know, France are the hottest NT in europe at the moment, that counts for something.

Shaaban hasen't played because he has a BROKEN LEG, you go play Man Utd, Liverpool, Newcastle, Everton, Southampton, ect. with a broken leg. He kept a clean sheet v. PSV this year in one of the few matches he played.

"should be pires and vieira", Two of the best players in the world, Paddy alone is worth most players and alot of cash. In that case Buffon is worth David Beckham, Ruud van Nistelrooy and £10 million?

How is Arsene insane to bid with a low price? All they can do is turn him down and laugh, not like they can decapitate him.
I agree with you, maybe the luck will hit him:rolleyes: . Who knows? Maybe Buffon is a die hard Arsenal fan from childhood and won't miss out a chance to got there. Althou i doubt that he is one, lol. It's almost like who knew that Ferdinand loved Man U since early years?

most italian players doesn't go play aboard so i doubt buffon will ever leave italy..:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Help?
What was the error? Didn't you see the game? The whole arsenal team played bad, especailly Cygan.

i dun know about the game at Ewood Park but at highbury...he should be blame for giving yorke much space....ostenstad passed the ball to yorke who scores very easily....

You lads are making the "blame everything on Cygan" point for me.
Help needs me to remind him of something that never occured and the "error" Fernandez alludes to, was made by Ashley Cole.
Look mates, you can try all you want to, but you will never find a glaring mistake by Cygan.

The press even blamed him for Toure's owngoal in the Villa match.

Like Ljungberg said, watch the FA replay against Chelsea, away to Middlesbrough, and away to Bolton, all away matches significantly, and you saw what Cygan is capable of...

This 'rumour' is complete rubbish. Juventus wouldn't even think about a £10 million sale of their top goalkeeper, and I very seriously doubt that Arsenal will spend all their transfer kitty on one player this summer. Doesn't make sense for both clubs, so it's obviously rubbish.

If it was a straight swap of Buffon for, say, Pires, then maybe there'll be some truth in it, but I'll still very much doubt it.

Now for Cygan. He's slowly getting used to the Premiership in the later games, but in the middle of the season he was very ordinary. He hasn't made really really diabolical defending mistakes, in the shape of, say, a terrific own goal, but he loses his concentration and has very poor defending sense at times.

In the game against Blackburn he was all over the place. Keith Gillespie, who was playing in Division 2 not so long ago (on loan to Wigan) skinned him at least 3 times, and all those times it was because Cygan wasn't prepared against somebody running at him. That was the arguably the only good game Gillespie played all season.
In the same game he pops up in strange places, keeping players on side for no apparent reason, and also made some less than impressive clearances.

Nearer the end of the season he has developed a better sense in defending and sticks to his markers more, and has thus improved his overall game.


a) P Neville's allegedly brilliant game against Arsenal
b) R Keane was brilliant in the latter half of the season
c) Arsenal has a poor defence
d)Parlour is a driving force in the Arsenal midfield
e)ManU are better than Arsenal with headers and goals from corners.


a) Well, he shackled Vieira, something that not many players managed to do. Phil was everywhere, and that was easiest the best game he's had in the season. It was a brilliant game that he had.

b) I don't think Roy Keane was that brilliant, but he was slowly getting back to his best towards the latter half of the season. He was a great motivating factor in the team, something that was lacking in the first half of the season, as can be witnessed by results.

c) Arsenal's defence is no way as solid as they were under George Graham.

d) Every time Parlour plays he gives 150%, and is prepared to do the dirty work. The only other player in Arsenal who is prepared to do that is Vieira, and when he's missing Parlour is the natural replacement. Some Arsenal fans have been disgruntled by Vieira's delay in signing a new contract and is happy for him to leave - as long as Parlour is prepared to fill his boots. That speaks volumes.

e) Throughout the run-in to the title, the Sky commentators repeatedly stated how United haven't scored from a corner and has only scored one from a direct free kick. They didn't mention Arsenal in the same sentence, but that is to be understood, so I don't really know how you reached to the conclusion that the media thinks Man Utd are better than Arsenal at corners.

that was the only game anyone remembers P Neville playing, and in fact he never outplayed Vieria. What I do remember is his nearly fracturing Vieria's ankle, and being praised for it.

well you see, the media slip and slides with his value as a motivator. Either it was Ferguson or Keane; it can't be both.
It wasn't both.
But the media can't make up their mind for ManU fans to make up theirs, so they settled on let's lie that Keane was superb in the latter half of the season, and let's also say that Sir Alex was managerially brilliant, and re-dedicated his team after the City loss.
Sounds like a Hollywood movie to me.
Especially when they have created alternative endings like your next point, which is....

The Arsenal defence.
The Arsenal defence is not as solid as Graham's, and that is an inarguable point, except for one statistic that needs to be considered.
The last season of Graham's famous defence conceded more goals than Wenger's 2003 runner-up defence.
That team conceded 49 goals and was never criticized as much.
In fact, I will argue that, with the games missed by Campbell, Keown, Cole, and Seaman; and coupled with the appearances at centre-back from Silva, Toure, and Oleg, that Wenger's defence were more than admirable this season.

Ahhhh, Parlour. I'll concede on Parlor, because this is subjective, but he must be the worst passing midfielder on the Arsenal team. Never scores and always look like the boy who owns the ball and got a game because of that.


Never in the same sentence, but the media uses "buzzwords'.
What they do is when Arsenal are playing or being talked about they say stuff like, "Arsenal over-deliberates with the ball, they never do the simple things like whack in a cross or get a cheap goal from a corner".
They say the reverse for ManU, all the time!
Of course the real fact is that Henry is the assist leader because most of his crosses into the box were scored by Arsenal players, and that Arsenal scored as many as seven goals after corner kicks.

August is too far away!

that was the only game anyone remembers P Neville playing, and in fact he never outplayed Vieria. What I do remember is his nearly fracturing Vieria's ankle, and being praised for it.

I'm afraid that's lame. Football is a physical game and if Vieira can't handle it then he should give up. The fact was that Phil Neville outworked the French international, who wasn't at his best that day. Phil Neville was a man possessed that day and was everywhere. Vieira and the rest of the Arsenal team were missing.

well you see, the media slip and slides with his value as a motivator. Either it was Ferguson or Keane; it can't be both.

Why can't it be both? Keane's presence in the United team towards the end of the season can clearly be seen as beneficial. When he first came back from injury (around late December, early January), the team had to carry him, but later on he was brilliant.

But the media can't make up their mind for ManU fans to make up theirs, so they settled on let's lie that Keane was superb in the latter half of the season, and let's also say that Sir Alex was managerially brilliant, and re-dedicated his team after the City loss.

The media probably said that because both were true in some sense. Keane's presence was certainly beneficial, especially in the run-in for the title, while Ferguson has managed to question his team's hunger and they responded.

The last season of Graham's famous defence conceded more goals than Wenger's 2003 runner-up defence.

The last season Graham was there he had a bunch of fairly mediocre players in midfield. That team was going backwards instead of forwards, unlike this team now.
To say that Arsenal's defence is poor is way off the mark, it should be more like 'room for improvement'.

Ahhhh, Parlour. I'll concede on Parlor, because this is subjective, but he must be the worst passing midfielder on the Arsenal team. Never scores and always look like the boy who owns the ball and got a game because of that.

Ray Parlour doesn't score much, but then neither does, say, Vieira.
He isn't the greatest passer of the ball, but for a back-up player, he is good enough. He is a pit-bull terrier sort of player which is needed when the going gets tough. Many foreigners disappear as soon as the game starts getting physical - Parlour is not one of them.

What they do is when Arsenal are playing or being talked about they say stuff like, "Arsenal over-deliberates with the ball, they never do the simple things like whack in a cross or get a cheap goal from a corner".

Arsenal do over-deliberate with the ball at times - but that was mainly in Europe.

You can clearly see how they struggled in Europe, when they were playing in front of a deep defence and couldn't quite find a way through. They managed 6 goals in the entire 2nd phase of the Champions League.
United scored 11 and they played 2 games with their reserves.

And I doubt if anyone has said that United has scored plenty of goals from corners this season. In fact, the reverse is true.

LOOOOOOOOOOL!
Funniest part is this

Gunners chairman Peter Hill-Wood is ready to break the bank...Arsenal are reportedly willing to offer Juve £10 million, plus French striker Sylvain Wiltord in exchange for Buffon

bahahahahahhahahahahaahahahahahahaahahahaha (H) :D

Why does everyone laugh at Cygan? Here are some good things, that go un-noticed.

1) v Boro, he cleared the ball as it was rolling toward the goal line, Taylor had no chance to get there.

2) He was solid when we played Bolton, you can't deny, when he went off...we gave up two goals.

There are more too, keep in mind he can't be a Rio, he was what? 28 million less?

Originally posted by antithesis

The Arsenal defence.
The Arsenal defence is not as solid as Graham's, and that is an inarguable point, except for one statistic that needs to be considered.
The last season of Graham's famous defence conceded more goals than Wenger's 2003 runner-up defence.
That team conceded 49 goals and was never criticized as much.
In fact, I will argue that, with the games missed by Campbell, Keown, Cole, and Seaman; and coupled with the appearances at centre-back from Silva, Toure, and Oleg, that Wenger's defence were more than admirable this season.


well.. if my memory serve me right... during that time they play in a 42 matches per season and not the current 38 matches.. and during that time i think it was 94/95 (can't remember correct me if i'm wrong) arsenal was not doing well in the league as well.. and the team like digi said were going downhill...

ahhhhhhhhhh, but the point is that nobody dared to criticize the "Super English Famous Five", but slap a Frenchman in there and a too suave for Brits manager and suddenly Cyagn and the team can't defend.
It was 42 games by the way!

I know how the media operates, what they really want to say is that Wenger inherited a defence and doesn't have a clue to rebuild it.
Absolute nonsense that is, because what Wenger did was prolong an aging defence by creating a wall of Vieria, Petit, Grimandi, and Silva in front of them.

To say that the media thinks that 'Wenger doesn't have a clue' to rebuild the Arsenal defence is ridiculous.

The media does come up with some rubbish at times but to claim that they are completely devoid of any intelligence is slightly over the top.

The media thinks that it's difficult for Arsene Wenger to replace the influence of Adams, and the unit that Arsenal's defence once was, which is completely true.

At times Arsenal's defence has looked out of shape this season, with or without the injuries, and they have leaked goals when they really shouldn't have. They have lost that slight edge in terms of resilience. That was the term used by many people in the media.

I don't think any of Arsenal's defenders at the moment is any where near Adams at his best, and Dixon at his prime was miles better than the defensively suspect Lauren.
But having said that the Graham defence had years to gel while the quartet of Lauren-Campbell-Keown-Cole were thrown together not so long ago.

Wenger is still going to find it hard to completely replace the watertight defence Arsenal once had. He had tried to compensate it with free flowing scoring football and has worked to a certain extent.

Juve would have a hell of a time replacing Buffon. The man is my second fave GK in the world next to Kahn. Just take a look at Buffon's record and glance over that $10m. It's a no-brainer really, Buffon's the backbone of Juve how many times has he saved the team, and he doesnt buckle under pressure.

Buffon 2 Arsenal would be wonderful, but it's not going to happen anytime soon. The building of the new stadium has limited Wengers bank balance, and we won't be able to expensive player i think.

Arsenal can't afford to spend anything more than £10m this summer, and to spend all of it (and to also lose another player - Wiltord) is simply stupid.

maybe you haven't heard the rumour that Arsenal are indeed funding the Beckham purchase, and that he will be traded to Arsenal after the elections with Barca getting Wiltord.
Arsenal are paying 20 million and Barca 10 million.

Originally posted by antithesis
maybe you haven't heard the rumour that Arsenal are indeed funding the Beckham purchase, and that he will be traded to Arsenal after the elections with Barca getting Wiltord.
Arsenal are paying 20 million and Barca 10 million.

:| riiiiight

Originally posted by antithesis
maybe you haven't heard the rumour that Arsenal are indeed funding the Beckham purchase, and that he will be traded to Arsenal after the elections with Barca getting Wiltord.
Arsenal are paying 20 million and Barca 10 million.
yup, and that includes me getting 10 million from Arsenal for that transfer:rolleyes: .

I wouldn't put it past King Arsene.

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
I wouldn't put it past King Arse.
You wouldn't put it, past King Arse? What do you mean? Put past what?

Originally posted by Help?
Originally posted by Ljungberg08
I wouldn't put it past King Arse
You wouldn't put it, past King Arse? What do you mean? Put past what?

Why did you quote me saying Ferguson's name? I never said it.

hahahaha

Come on now children, this is getting a bit stupid.

Originally posted by Ljungberg08
You wouldn't put it, past King Arse? What do you mean? Put past what?

Why did you quote me saying Ferguson's name? I never said it. [/B][/QUOTE]
I didn't know that Ferguson's name is not Alex, but ArseAlex. I actually meant Arse-Arsene, just a shortning, like Alexander-Alex and Arsene-Arse:p

sometimes, I think the press are just dumb.