Has anyone seen the U.S. confederations cup games? The U.S. games were super boring while the matches Japan and Colombia had were entertaining. Now I know why a Real Madrid vs MAn u in Giants stadium gets 50k people and an MLS game gets 15k.

i dont know about the US being "super boring" but i dont think u can compare a Real Madrid vs. Man Utd match to an MLS match.

its not fair to compare games from a developing league to that of two soccer giants like Real Madrid and Manchester Utd.

Not really sure about your point with MLS but I have to tell you, I've seen an All-MLS national team that's played much better than this team (which featured a few players from Europe). In fact, the biggest problems in this tournament came from our European-based players like Berhalter and Vanney, while MLS players like Beasley, Donovan and Mathis worked hard and played entertaining football. MLS goalkeeper Tim Howard made some excellent saves as well.

thanks :| :kader:

Originally posted by Run DMB
Not really sure about your point with MLS but I have to tell you, I've seen an All-MLS national team that's played much better than this team (which featured a few players from Europe). In fact, the biggest problems in this tournament came from our European-based players like Berhalter and Vanney, while MLS players like Beasley, Donovan and Mathis worked hard and played entertaining football. MLS goalkeeper Tim Howard made some excellent saves as well.

Most of the European players in the MLS arent that good though...a lot of guys nearing the end of there career or guys who fancy spending a bit of time in the states.

We were missing some of our most entertaining player, McBride, and Jones just to name two.

cuz they're a bunch of unskilled players, without technique.just clint mathis has a good technique as far as i could see.

Beas and Donovan aren't skillful? :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Hearts_FC
Most of the European players in the MLS arent that good though...a lot of guys nearing the end of there career or guys who fancy spending a bit of time in the states.
That's not true anymore. Really you should take another look at MLS, a lot has changed. It used to be like that but now you won't find many European players like that - only Etcheverry, Stoitchkov and Cienfuegos are left of the dinosaurs that once roamed in MLS. To replace them we have quality players in their prime like Guevara, Ivanov and young players like Roberts, Ruiz, O'Brien, Ralph who have a great future ahead of them.

can u guys just stop bashing american soccer, and the mls.. most of you dont even follow the damn league, so wtf would you know... is not like every match that is on the epl or the bundesliga or seria A or la liga is always entertaining... get over it.. move on..

It´s good that USA is showing some footballculture. I´d like MLS to be a big league someday, like EPL, La Liga, Le Championnat, Seria A and so on.. They are also starting to have some skilled players..

i believe MLS will never be as big as the Liga, EPL or Serie A.....i just dont ever see it happening.....at least untill we start buying players for millions and getting big time players which i dont see happening....Unless U.S.A becomes a world power like Brazil , Italy Spain etc i dont think the MLS will be a top ranked league....and even if we do get to that point we would probably end up like the Brazilian league were the best players are playing out in Europe....although the brazilian league is very good and entertaining...just my opinion

i think donovan just uses his speed...dont think he's a great player, he's average.

The reason we play like Germany is because they have the most influence on the game on the lower levels. They are the ones in numbers who initially coached the players who are now themselves turning into coaches. It is also the fact that up until recently, USA had very little if no skilled players at all. This negative forced the states to play very organized tactical flairless soccer. All that is starting to change now that there is a domestic league and the players from Bradenton Academy are starting to shine.(beasley donovan etc.) In the coming years, i see the states playing a very organized game mixed with enough flair to be very successful. Its only a matter of time really/ hopefully.

As far as MLS becoming as big as la liga and such, do you know what makes them so big? MONEY. Thats it. end of story. Do you know why people leave brazil and argentina to play in Europe? MONEY. Do you really think they would leave a place like Brazil if they could make the same kind of money there as they could in Europe. I highly doubt it. Thats why i think MLS has a very good chance of becoming a world class league. USA has tons of MONEY. All that needs to happen is that more of it goes to soccer. That is something i definately think will happen in the future.

u guys always forget the fact that la liga, epl and them have been around for 70 yrs... and the mls only for 8, the same way that it took time to build the eurpean leagues to become what they are today... it will take time to build mls

yes but right now the people who founded MLS and the owners are not making money.....which means thiers not enough followers of the teams and not enough merchandise sales etc.....so even with all this money we have it will not be spend on football unless thier is a HUGE demand which hopefully in time will happen

lol Donovan isn't skillful? Bees isn't skillful. You don't know jack **** about our players. Bees gave the Turks all they could handle.

Originally posted by Caponedawg
lol Donovan isn't skillful? Bees isn't skillful. You don't know jack **** about our players. Bees gave the Turks all they could handle.

Hehehe, funny **** dude. Calm down, lol.

Originally posted by tottiiii
yes but right now the people who founded MLS and the owners are not making money.....which means thiers not enough followers of the teams and not enough merchandise sales etc.....so even with all this money we have it will not be spend on football unless thier is a HUGE demand which hopefully in time will happen



your right but I heard the deficit it getting less and less each year and in a few years they will start making money and thats when the mls will expand and pay theyre players more which should make the MLS better...

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
your right but I heard the deficit it getting less and less each year and in a few years they will start making money and thats when the mls will expand and pay theyre players more which should make the MLS better...
EXACTLY!

Originally posted by LilPlayaJosh
your right but I heard the deficit it getting less and less each year and in a few years they will start making money and thats when the mls will expand and pay theyre players more which should make the MLS better...

They need raises to start playin better ? :o

Wha-a-t ??

Originally posted by jumbo
They need raises to start playin better ? :o

Wha-a-t ??
It will make MLS play better. better players will play here if MLS salaries are higher.

Right....isn't the highest paid Cobi Jones at $600,000/year? And i think thats with endorsements.

Originally posted by tottiiii
yes but right now the people who founded MLS and the owners are not making money.....which means thiers not enough followers of the teams and not enough merchandise sales etc.....so even with all this money we have it will not be spend on football unless thier is a HUGE demand which hopefully in time will happen

all leagues lose money at first... is only 8 yrs old... and is drawing bigger crowds... and the teams are building soccer only stadiums.. is growing..

Originally posted by PScott
It will make MLS play better. better players will play here if MLS salaries are higher.
This may be wrong now that i think about it. The highest paid players in the history of the league didnt bring any quality to the league. Those being Lothar Matthaes(sp?) and luis hernandez and Jorge Campos. They all came here and sucked it up.

The US will have more respect when they actually get a style....
right now they are styleLESS
Donovan and beas are average players....
the best the US has is by far Friedel, too bad for the US hes only a keeper.

Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
The US will have more respect when they actually get a style....
right now they are styleLESS
Donovan and beas are average players....
the best the US has is by far Friedel, too bad for the US hes only a keeper.
too bad he's 'only a keeper'? The goalkeeper can be the most important player on a team. There are many quality national teams out there that wish they could have a goalkeeper like Friedel.

a "style"... teams copy each other all the time... they copy tacticts, formations.. set plays..

Originally posted by PScott
This may be wrong now that i think about it. The highest paid players in the history of the league didnt bring any quality to the league. Those being Lothar Matthaes(sp?) and luis hernandez and Jorge Campos. They all came here and sucked it up.

but all those players when they played in the MLS were all WAY past their prime. And Jorge Campos and Luis Hernandez went to the MLS because no mexican club wanted to pay such a high salary to a past-his-prime soccer player, and the MLS did, which is why they went their.

So when the MLS starts having money to get better players they better not repeat history by buying old worn out players, and this way they will expand and develop for the better to reach the level of the Mexican league, at least.

I want to follow up my point about MLS no longer being a retirement league with some statistics:

MLS International players aged 31-33:

Powell (Colorado Rapids, 31)
Etcheverry (DC United, 32)
Spencer (Colorado Rapids, 32)
Morrow (Dallas, 32)
Ekelund (SJ, 32)
Chacon (LA, 33)

MLS International players aged 34 and older:

Pareja (Dallas, 34)
Myung-Bo (LA, 34)
Cienfuegos (LA, 35)
Stoichkov (DC United, 37)

I'd like to see the same statistics for EPL, I doubt it will be much different.

Originally posted by Run DMB
too bad he's 'only a keeper'? The goalkeeper can be the most important player on a team. There are many quality national teams out there that wish they could have a goalkeeper like Friedel. But you have at least three very good goalkeepers.

I'd also like to add a player by the name of Kyle Martino to that of those Americans that plays with 'skill'. The guy is a motha effing P.I.M.P:mrpimp:

Originally posted by QuikZilver
Now I know why a Real Madrid vs MAn u in Giants stadium gets 50k people


Celtic v Motherwell gets 60k :( :p

Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
The US will have more respect when they actually get a style....
right now they are styleLESS
Donovan and beas are average players....
the best the US has is by far Friedel, too bad for the US hes only a keeper.

definitely true. :mrpimp:

btw. I didn't think that we play that bad. :rolleyes:

It is impossible to be style-less. Not having a style is a style in and of itself if you think about it. so what do you mean?:confused:

well..........
arena prolly went to the library picked up a "how to coach a soccer team" book written in the 40s and then started coaching the US team....theres no character, or distinctiveness to it....
at least germany has a defensive, slow, backwards style....if anything it is at least what defines them, albeit stupid! (all due respect to the second place team)

MLS is the same way....every coach took "coaching 101" and now does everything their professor taught them, no distintiveness.
This is mainly due to soccer being so new, with time Im sure the americans will be known for something (besides losing!.....haha jk!)

Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
well..........
arena prolly went to the library picked up a "how to coach a soccer team" book written in the 40s and then started coaching the US team....theres no character, or distinctiveness to it....
at least germany has a defensive, slow, backwards style....if anything it is at least what defines them, albeit stupid! (all due respect to the second place team)

MLS is the same way....every coach took "coaching 101" and now does everything their professor taught them, no distintiveness.
This is mainly due to soccer being so new, with time Im sure the americans will be known for something (besides losing!.....haha jk!)

"Soccer for Dummies"

hehe :) ;)

The post-WC team is being judged without Renya....he's the team leader, and yes, he matters alot.

Reyna is for me the one player who stands out in the U.S team, the guy controls every play and i've often seen him create things that the players around him screw up due to inexperience.

The MLS is improving slowly and there are a couple of decent teams...but there are also some really bad ones. I think part of the problem of the MLS is that it is inacessable to most people. Most people have to travel for hundreds of miles to see an MLS team play...I don't believe this will change or that the MLS will become as big as some of the european leagues because soccer has to compete with many other more popular sports.

Despite the Americans on this forum and the hosting of a world cup my experience having lived and worked here for two years is that soccer is not that popular and the building of soccer only stadiums is WAY off in the distance.

well Ive been here for eight years, and there has been a dramatic change for the good of the sport here...BUT its still not enough, and still has a long way to go.

Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
well..........
arena prolly went to the library picked up a "how to coach a soccer team" book written in the 40s and then started coaching the US team....theres no character, or distinctiveness to it....
at least germany has a defensive, slow, backwards style....if anything it is at least what defines them, albeit stupid! (all due respect to the second place team)
Many analysts claimed the USA showed a much better tactical grasp of the game then most of the teams at the World Cup. I'd like to see Voller or Scolari lead a bunch of MLS players to a World Cup quarterfinal. Arena knows what he's doing. He's been doing it since years ago, winning numerous championships at both College and MLS levels, and now has become the most successful US national team coach ever. Who cares about 'character or distinctiveness'? All that matters is winning. Last time I checked it was whichever team scored more goals that won the game, not which team played with more style or which team has a unique style of play.
Originally posted by WilliamFAlmeida
MLS is the same way....every coach took "coaching 101" and now does everything their professor taught them, no distintiveness. This is mainly due to soccer being so new, with time Im sure the americans will be known for something
That just shows you know very little about MLS. Can you even name one coach from MLS without looking it up on a website? When's the last time you watched an MLS game? Every team has their own distinct style of play. Chicago are all about quick counterattacks. LA play very German-like. New England play with lots of crosses and through-balls. DC United try to bore their opponents to death. ;)