These Turkish fans just go too damn far!! I know it happens all over Europe and all over the world but definitely not to this extent. Seriously, what the fu*k is their problem?
Why is it every time there is a game in Turkey someone must get killed, beaten, have s*it thrown at them, etc. etc.

If you guys haven't heard... Michael Bridges got hurt in the Leeds-Besiktas game and as he was being carried off, angry Besiktas fans hurled objects at Bridges as he was being carried on a stretcher to a waiting ambulance.

Seriously, UEFA has got to do something about this before someone gets killed again!!!!!!

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You know this sort of stuff only happends to English teams. You are always the one's complaining about playing in other countries. Get it straight it's not the world's fault for you being so hated it's yours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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fyi:
I am not English!!!!!!!!!

And what the hell do you have against the English anyways???

It makes no difference that that might only happen to English clubs. It's abominable.

Nothing it's just that the English clubs are always the one's which are complanining. From Arsenal this year to Leeds last year, it's always them which get the "racial slurs" thrown at..

talking about using homefield advantage to an overly extent

Ok I get it you are saying that english clubs are the only ones in all of Europe that actually care about the health, and well being of their players.

What do you think Roma would do, if Totti got hurt and all the fans start hurling stuff at him you would say exactly what legiamanchester said.

Its to dangerous for the players to have to go through that type of abuse!

EUFA are doing something, only a few days ago they imposed fines on Galatasary <$28,000>, plus they fined a Galatasary player a few grand, and a team from Moscow got a $12,000 fine, also Arsene Wenger got turfed off the touch line for a few weeks, and all this plus other fines were imposed on players for commiting various offences...so now we can expect the Betsikas club to be fined over the Bridges incident, <Risking Security> is how they define it...Ned

I think that was a total lack of respect by the Turkish fans...

It's not ALL their fault though. It's not like the English are little angels over here..

Both sides are to blame, but I agree this is getting way out of hand!

I also think UEFA are a disgrace for the way THEY acted after the brutal murders of the 2 leeds fans in Turkey, I mean, what sort of message are they sending out after doing absolutely nothing and not even allowing the Leeds team a minute silence before the game in question - in my opinion it should have been cancelled anyway. And then...have the f***** nerve to haul leeds up because 4 players were booked that night.
Sometimes words fail me.
UEFA and Turkish fans (not all of you, obviously)you are both a disgrace to football.

Why do you think English teams are always moaning about playing abroad. Our "fans" get threatened with being chucked out of Euro 2000 but the Turks kill people and no threats are hurled at them.
Against Leicester the Red Star Belgrade fans hurled flares ito opposing supporters and the club only got about a £10000 fine, again no threat to a club their size.

Whay are England always treated with a different set of rules to everyone else.

I dont want to pick sides, but did you see the videotapes of Euro2000?
Did you see what those damn english hooligans did in Belgium and the Netherlands?
Uefa was even talking about eliminating England from the championship...
We only had problems with the english, not the germans or Turkish fans...
(the only different is there was nobody killed, but there where lots of injuries)

Thats right Luc Nilis it seems that England still has a huge hooligan problem. In Copenhagen we have had problems with The English twice in the last one or two years. First the Chelsea fans got into lots of fights when they Played against Fc Copenhagen. And in may this year there where the troubles with the turkish and English hooligans!


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Look, there are fans like that all over the world. England has too much of them, so do Turkey, so does Russia, so does Argentina... Don't tell me that in Istanbul English fans provocated the riot that caused the death of 2 fans... Some Leeds fans showed inappropriate signs to the Turkish and the fight broke up, I heard. But I am pretty sure that those two never wanted that fight....


This, btw, might be one of the reasons of Turkish league missing in FIFA 2001...

Your rights RR, no matter how bad you behave you don’t deserve to get beat up and you certainly don’t deserve to get killed.
You also have to remember that the majority of the English and Turkish fans are peaceful people who would never dream of starting a fight and causing problems.
The problem is a small group of idiots who go to football matches only to fight. And all countries have them.
But the Turkish and English hooligans are especially bad.

I don't really agree with you RR. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Leeds supporters who were killed last year were burning the Turkish flag... in Istanbul. I mean how more provocating can you do? I don't many countries where they would have come out alive and well...
It might sound tough but they should have expected that.

SHOULD HAVE EXPECTED DEATH!!! ARE YOU MAD!!! That is the most ignorant, selfish statement I have ever heard!!! Even if they were burning the flag, it doesn't warrant death. I think maybe if the turks bloodied up the fans badly and burned the British Flag it would have made it up. No way should someone expect to die, or actually die, just because they burned a piece of cloth. The turks need to be banned from UEFA for a year, then they will know that being part of UEFA is a privalige that you earn, not a right. With so many offences, this should have occured a long time ago.

And Mrkovic, you say it is only the British fans who complain, well you don't see them complain when players get injured in Spain do you? NO!! Leeds didn't complain about Barca fans at the Nou Camp when Radebe was injured, because they weren't obnoxious like the damn Turks. Don't stick up for those who don't deserve a voice. Actions speak 10 times louder than words, and from what they have done lately, it is obvious that they don't respect European, and English football. Ban them for a year, those sh*ts deserve it. The teams and players suck anyways, UEFA won't be missing anything, only unnessicery death and carnage.

Two men were killed last year in Istanbul for the sake of a football match. A year later, missiles are thrown at an injured player.. what kind of humans are these turkish fans?

And about the English being hated argument - in both matches, Leeds fans turned their backs to the Turks, and didn't fight at all

Ok I get it what you are saying is that the Leeds fans and English fans in general are little angels, that never do anything wrong! That’s just typical!

Yes we are saying that English "Fans" are well behaved. It is the small, and I mean small % that let us down. You cannot call these people fans. If, as some people seem to believe , all English fans are hooligans, then in Viena when flares were thrown at Leicester fans, and they were hit over the heads with glass bottles, I think they would have reacted in a bad way, they didn't and nobody mentions that, just all the times a few idiots let the whole country, and even footballing world down.

Manny - answer me this... how many people have English fans killed in the last few years? The point is not that we think English fans aren't hooligans (like sportgaming said, it is a small % that give everyone a bad reputation)...... but Turkish fans go too far... when was the last time they actually played a game without some kind of an incident occuring???


Mrkovic - "why do you think Leicester fans were thrown at? Because they kept whinning how they didn't want to come to Belgrade. Leicester fans fully deserved this."

So they deserved to have bottles, flares, etc. thrown at them because that's exactly what they thought would happen in Belgrade? You are a fu*kin retard!!! Those fans showed their class when they did that to the Leicester fans. I would be scared to go to Belgrade during this time of political turmoil as well... it is not safe!

Legia Manchester, remember that I never said that it was ok what the Turks did. A small group of the fans have gone to far, without doubt. And now its up to Besiktas and Galatasaray to get better at controlling their fans.
I just get angry when some english people pretend that English fans are angels that never do anything wrong.

BTW I dont think anything happened in Istanbul a month ago, when Glasgow Rangers played against Galatasaray!

What kind of remark is this.....


"Ok I get it what you are saying is that the Leeds fans and English fans in general are little angels, that never do anything wrong! That’s just typical!"

What is it that prevent some seeing that it is a minority that cause the probs,we dont deny having trouble makers in our midst but 99% of fans over here are interseted in one thing and that is a good game of football.
Every match that is played in all the leagues here each week is subject to the chants about opposing teams players and the like,and that is where it stops.
Nowhere in this land have i ever been to a game (european or otherwise) where i have seen English fans hold up banners saying "Welcome to hell" etc.
The events in Turkey last year were a tragic event,these people went to watch a football game......never in their wildest imagination did the freinds and family of these supporters think they would never see them again.
So lets get it straight, No country has a clean record when its comes to some form or the other of football violence.


Have a long hard think about this type of comment b4 you post next time.....childish and insensitive to the extreme.

GetupBruno you must have misunderstood me! The reason why I wrote that comment was because they made it sound as if there where no English hooligans at all. I know that allmost all english fans are nice people who dont make trouble.
I didn’t write that the Leeds fans who where killed deserved it! And as I said many times before...It’s terrible that the Leeds fans where killed and it’s completely unforgivable!



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Well it doesn't matter much anyways Red Star showed that beauty of Yugoslavian football is much stronger than the ugliness of English football..

GetupBruno how is it childish and insensitive to say that all English fans dont behave well?

thanks a lot, Mrkovic...... that was ten bloody years ago and no one cares anymore!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yo man a month is 10 years ago to you??Hmmmmmmmmm ok there.. You on any drugs?

Yugoslavian football, hahaha! What a joke, your country is crap and always will be. Occasionally you will get a player like the vernerable Savo Milosevich (haha), but it is all crap from there. Try to match up to Sol Campbell, David Beckham, Michael Owen, and Paul Scholes. You can't because never has a GREAT footballer come out of Yugoslavia.

Oh give me a break soccergaming, why do you think Leicester fans were thrown at? Because they kept whinning how they didn't want to come to Belgrade. Leicester fans fully deserved this.

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OF COURSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GO TO BELGRADE! I don't want to go to Yugoslavia. Why?

Because its not safe.

Mrkovic - I was talking about the CL success you had 10 years ago...... because that is the only bloody thing that Yugoslavian fans seem to talk about!

And as for beating Leicester...... woooooo, big fu*kin deal buddy! Leicester were more scared of getting cr@p thrown at them than whoever they were playing!!!

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Will everyone please stop saying that English "fans" are hooligans. Me and all of my family are English fans, who attend a leage match most weeks. I have hardly ever seen anything beyond chants when real fans attend matches. So don't dis-credit the whole of English football because of a small amount of idiots.

Another thing, the reason that there are more trouble when England play abroad is from our reputation, the police in the different countries (no names mentioned) are extra heavy handed with English fans, this is bound to make people mad, and what do you expect (still no excuse though)
treat english fans the same as any otheer individual innicent until proven guilty, not as has been done here and in the past.

burning Turkish flag? i never heard of that.... Only retards would burn the flag of the country they are in... Of a country that is known for violence of fans.... So, obvously, I think that it is just remark from some Turkish fans who defend teir fans, and you just heard it somewhere... I might be wrong...


Nimreitz: that is not the way how to offend someone you don't stand.. Yugos have got some great footballers, and England with all their "superstars" sucked in previous matches. Try to make up something new to offend.


Also, do you know how Russian clubs get punished because of violence of the fans? The teams play matches on their arena WITHOUT the fans on the stadia... I am not saying that that works, but Turkish clubs are usually good at home... Why not punish the like that?



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RR I saw on the news that some hooligans had burned a Turkish flag in Istanbul! So I think he is right. But that still doesnt justify the murders!

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was it at the same time those fans got killed? Or was it later/earlier?

RR it was the same time, but they didnt show pictures of the hooligans actually doing it!

Some very violent matches:

Turkey-Greece

Olympiakos-Besistkas

Panaithiakos-Gala

The way I heard it they didn't burn it but tore it off a wall in one of the pubs and started making lewd gestures with it.

Also lets not say well these Turks are mad, but we're all ok. Let me remind you last year a fan was KILLED by getting punched in the head in the stands at an English football match! I believe it was at a Leicester game, if you lived in England Im sure you remember it cause it was all over the news. Also, there were people killed outside stadiums in Spain(at Atletico Madrid cup match) 2 years, and in Italy at AC Milan game so that Seria A even went on a strike against the violence! So before you start throwing stones at Turkey talking all this banning stuff, clean your own house first.

Sorry to inform you but that fan did no die. I was at the Leicester match, there was a small incident and someone got punched, they fractured their skull, but no one was killed. The authorities quickly dealt with the problem before it got too serious, which they don't do in other countries. If they did then a little thing, like chanting, would not turn into a full scale war with lifes at risk.

Look, how many serious!! incidents have occured in England in the last 5 years, have developed into much more than that.
I'm not saying that English fans are well behaved, no one can argue with the fact that we've got our problems, but here the authorities stamp it out quickly.