Hello

I know that there are a lot of Russians participating in this forum.
I just want to know your opinions which team will be the best, improve the most for the new season.
No fighting here please, if u think that Anzhi will win the league, so be it, but I want to hear why u think so http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
I have been a Spartak Moscow fan since I can remember myself, but I don’t think they improved enough for this upcoming season http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif
Looking forward to hearing your opinions

Take care
Basten10

Yeah yeah yeah
I do not think that there are a lot of Russian fans in here, but anyways........

I think that it is Spartak Moscow all the way, but my favorite team is Rotor Volgograd (they knocked Manchester United out of the UEFA Cup 3-4 years ago). Loko M also made some good signings, and they will be the ones who will be Spartak's rivals.

Alania Vladikavkaz lost thei Georgian striker Demetradze to Dinamo K for 4 million dollars. But they bought some good Georgian strikers from Dinamo Tbilisi.

So, Russian Championship is always unpredictable, but Spartak Moscow manage to be the first.

Yeah, Loko M all the way!

I really think that it should be their chance this year.
But Spartak really looks better for now.

PS. I also support CSKA, but I do not think they will do something special this season (but I hope). Probably they will qualify for UEFA Cup.

Hey guys

Loko is deffinatly gonna be a contender this year. Hmmm, they were last year too....
Ok, anyway...
Here is the thing... Loko got players for about two solid squads, but did they get players of real europe quality to really improve their team?
Spartak has got the same players as they did last year, and i m not sure if they will get anybody who can be a contender for the first squad for this season. Except for Schegolev maybe... i also think that they made a mistake by selling Evseev to Loko. But if they couldnt find anybody who can contend for the first squad striker position, they didnt get anybody at all!!!
I wonder how Dinamo M is gonna do this year under Gazaev.
But i dont think CSKA or Torpedo are gonna contend for the first 2 spots. They might take some points away from Spartak, Loko and each other, but thats about it i think.
The way Rotor played last year was very disuppointing. I liked that team, although their style reminded me of Dinamo Kiev(and i hate them!!!)
Who else do we got? O, Zenit... Nope, another team of Torpedo and CSKA quality.
And where are all the good russian strikers?!?!?!

Take care
Basten10

Russian Strikers? What about Panov from Zenit?

And there are two youngsters strikers -- Pimenov (loko) and Kagazezhev (Dinamo M)

I cannot say that I hate Dinamo Kyiv, but I do not sympathize them. They used to buy players from Russian 1st division (Premier Division too, btw). Like Shatskih from Baltika and Demetradze from Alania.

And you forgot about Alania too. And Zenit is also can do something this year -- Max Demenko from Zhemchuzhina can help them.

Russian Rocket

You just called 3 strikers, 2 of wich played well in preseason and havent proved themselves anywhere else yet. You havent called Shirko, Semak, Bestchastnyh or Kolyvanov though(which i dont think are good enough)
But even if all 3 of them are good, dont u think that 3 good strikers for a nation of over 150 million is not enough?
I havent seen good world quality strikers in russian football for a while, and i dont understand why. Why do we have good world caliber midfielders, goalkeepers, some defenders, but not strikers?
What do you think?
As for Dinamo Kiev, one thing that i respect them for is for their selectionists work... about 6-7 years ago they sucked, now they are one the better clubs in europe i think, and the best one in former soviet union for that matter(if i hate them, and i say that, i must really believe it, and it sucks http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif ) It doesnt matter where u buy players, Spartak buys players form ukraine too, but not the best ones. What i do not like is that they try to have russian players take ukranian citizenship and play for ukraine
Alania is gonna suck this year i think, too many good players left, and i do not believe in their coach. But we ll see, i wish them luck. As for Zenit, they are going to be at the top, but i dont think they are going to contend for the first place just yet

Take care
Me

PS I really thought that there are more live russian speaking people in here http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hey you wanted some "live russian speaking people in here"? So you've got one.

As for me i don't like (even hate Spartak). Because their players are ... Filimonov - "the best" russian GK (how about Russia-Ukraine game?) Kovtun - special conversation (have nothing to be a football player). Titov - no speed, no shot. Shirko - same as Titov but he's a striker. The only players who can play (by my opinion) are Tikhonov and Parfenov.
(I wrote this not because i'm a Zenit fan).
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Now about "my" team.
Realy good strikers: Panov & Petukhov.
The midfield isn't very good because there is no good wingers.
Demenko can help defenders to defend and strikers to score (he has already scored 3 or 4 goals).
And GK's are VERY good: Berezovsky is very talented but a little unlucky because of bad defence, and Malafeev is rather good too as a 2nd GK. But now Zenit have 4 GK (Borodin from Loko SPb and another one).
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And now about the best team.
I think that this season Loko M will be champion (i hope of course that this will be Zenit). They have a very good squad they didn't sell anyone from the first team but they bought some good players like 0. Terekhin. Loko has a good chance this year. CSKA and Dinamo aren't very strong now.

I wish Zenit luck.

PS: about Demetradze - he's sucks and Dinamo K made a very big mistake buying him.
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Oh, come on, Nik! You are acting like those Leeds fans who hate Manchester United. They think that Beckham isn't a good player, Taibi wasn't worth of buying, etc.
Let's see here.....
Spartak is the best Russian team for now. Filimonov is a great keeper, and one single mistake really ruined his career. Kovtun is like the best defender in Russian Premiership that can play with his head -- he wins most of the battles on air. Titov is awesome -- who won the best Russian Player award in 1998? Shirko has some weaknesses, I mean all Spartak Players have the same weaknesses, like finishing. And since Shirko is the forward, he misses his chances the most. Tikhonov is great, too. Parfenov had a great year. I really hope that these guys will sign Iovov, so that they won't SUCK that much in the champions' league as they did last year.
About Zenit -- a very good young team. Malafeev, Petukhov, Panov and Demenko -- pretty good team. Gorshkov is fine, too.
Loko may win the title this year -- just look -- they have about five great forwards, like Dzhanashia, Loskov, Pimenov, Terekhin, Garas. Their defense should improve from good to best -- Nizhegorodov from Loko NN, and Vadim Evseev from Spartak should be a great signings. Also, they had Chugaynov, Drozdov. And their youngster, 18-year old Semen Semenenko should play more than he played passed season. And have you heard anything about Ruslan Pimenov?!? He scored 3 hat tricks already, including the game with Hamburg in Portugal (a friendly game) with thrashing Loko's win 5:1.
Have you heard the news? Alex Ferguson will go Israel to watch the game between Israel and Russia on Feberuary 23rd. He will watch Alexei Smertin from Loko Moscow -- he said that he watches this player from the beginning of last season. Smerin reminds me of Kanchelskis, and Belanov, although Smertin is a midfielder.

And Demetradze was a hella of a player -- maybe 4 million was too much, but anyway -- Dynamo Kyiv has lots of money.

The team I hate is Krylia Sovietov -- these guys never develope their talents -- they just buy players to survive in Premiership.

CSKA didn't buy that many players this year, Artem Enin looks like a good signing, but it is not enough.

So, my predictions:

1. Spartak Moscow
2. Lokomotiv M
3. Dinamo Moscow
4. Zenit
5. CSKA
6. Rotor Volgograd
7. Torpedo Moscow
8. Alania
9. Rostselmash
10. Uralan

Hmmmm
Hi http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

To Nik
My opinion about the same players....
Filimonov - yes, he is the best russian goalkeeper, and i do believe that he is good. You cant judge a player by one mistake that he made, **** happens. Nobody complained when Filimonov made a lot of great saves against france in Paris, but most people started saying bad things about him after that goal. Panov missed open net twice in the same match against ukraine, and i dont hear anybody blaming him for losing that game. So, its not personal, i m not saying this about you, but i really think that people who started blaming Filimonov for loosing that game dont know much about football, never played a game professionaly, and for most part its their emotions talking, not their brains(in either head)
Parfenov - me no like, nothing special, solid defender
Titov - yes, he is not that fast, but he is not the slowest player on the field. He has great vision of the field, great ball control, plays very well with teammates, i like him a whole lot, much more then i did 2 years when he bacame russian player of the year.
Shirko does suck as a striker. But u cant call him slow!!! The guy is pretty fast, but just because of the spartak style u cant see his speed, he doesnt make long runs, but he is fast. His weaknes is lack of finishing touch, ball control is avarage, and he doesnt use his body the way he should. But he tries really hard, and i respect that. And i also believe that last season was unlucky for him.
Tihonov - my favorite player in Spartak. I really like the way he plays. Not that fast, but he is so smart that he compensates for lack of speed with getting in position ahead of time.
The rest of players are avarage quality i think.
But i do expect more from Bezrodnyi and Buznikin. I think both of them are young and talanted guys. Addition of Shegolev should help spartak, i like that guy. Mor is also developing.

Zenit:
Yes, young team with good perspectives, but because they are young, if they will keep their squad more or less the same, they are about 2 years away from contention for the first place. But they do have talent, no question about it.

Loko M:
yes, they have 5 strikers... but only 2 can play http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif Three max. But are their new strikers that much better then the ones they had before??? Their midfield is basicaly the same, wich is good enough to contend for the 1st place. Difence did get better because of Evseev

To Rissian Rocket

As i said before, i dont think u can count on Pimenov as one of premier strikers before he starts scoring as many goals in a regular as he does in a preseason. Its completely different.
And i dont think Smertin is anything like Kanchelskis, and even more nothing like Belanov.
Kanchelskis is more of an atacking player, who has good skills, not too fast, but he is more of an atacking midfielder, who plays on the right side, winger even more then miedfielder. Belanov was a striker with great speed and a little above avarage shot in my opinion. He did have some feel for a goal too. But Smertin plays more of a defensive miedfield and distributes the ball.
He is a different kind of player then both of the guys u compared him to.

To all of ya http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

If Loko sells Smertin it will be a big mistake for both Loko and the player himself. Smertin has not developed enough yet to go through the shreder of Man U, he needs another year in Russia i feel. Yes, he can play for Man U, he is good enough, but i think the best way would be to stay in Russia for one more year.
Another thing... Do u think if Loko sells Smertin, do they have a chance of winning the championship? I dont think so, and this year they are in a better shape to win it all then Spartak is, that is if they keep Smertin... well, no, their chances are about the same imho.
As for Demetradze: I dont care how he plays, but he can score some, and thats what Dinamo Kiev needs after selling Sheva. But i wish they payed 10 million for him. Or bought Shirko from spartak for 4 million at least http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
But i think another reason for Dinamo Kiev to buy Demetradze is because they are planning to sell Rebrov.

I still want to hear something about russian forward, if u dont mind

My predictions:

1-2 Spartak and Loko M
3. Zenith (if they have no injuries)
4-6. Torpedo, CSKA and Dinamo M
7-8. Saturn and Uralan.
9-10. Alania and Loko NN
11. Rotor
12-16. The rest of them, i dont care

But teams in the middle of the table cant have a lot of injuries, and whoever is gonna have the most is gonna drop lower then others.


Take care
Basten10

Hey Basten10 you are talking like a Spartak fan.
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To you all.
About Filimonov: i think that a good (simply good, not great) GK shouldn't do such a mistake. It reminds me the Taibi's mistake. They are not good or even great GK. I can name some real good: Peruzzi, Van der Sar, Chilavert, Toldo, Martin... And please don't tell me that "you can't judge a player by one mistake that he made". If you want to be called the best you MUST play like the best. I watched France-Russia game 3 times and i haven't see any "great saves". And one more thing when your team lead 1:0 and there's a tie 1:1 the GK had lost the game.

About Panov and that game: he had only one real chance to score but with height a little more that 1 m 60 sm i think that it's very difficult to score a header (by the way Bierhoff is one of the best header in the world have done such a mistake too).

About Demetradze: i haven't see any good goal by him, only penalties. Of course he score but in what games: Alania:Shinnik 5:0 (F.E.)

About Titov: he has no ball control: he always do short pass.
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P.S.: I REPEAT I TOLD ALL THIS NOT BECAUSE I'M A ZENIT FAN, I LIKE IT BECAUSE THIS IS MY HOMETOWN TEAM. IN REALITY I'M AN INTER MILAN FAN. SO PLEASE DO NOT COMPARE ME WITH THOSE SILLY FANS!!!
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I forgot.

My predictions:
1. Loko M
2,3. Spartak or Zenit
4,5. Dinamo or CSKA
6,7,8. Torpedo, Rotor, Alania
9. Saturn

the others have no idea.

Well, first of all, here is to Nik:
Just 'cos you hate Spartak personally, does not mean its players are bad. In case you don't remember, it was Spartak, not Zenit (though I like it too) that won the last championship... and the one before that... and the one before... So ******* grow up!
Yes, I don't think Filimonov is a very good goalkeeper, but if he's better of a goalkeeper than Panov is of a forward. Anybody who misses the empty net twice in the same game just outright sucks! He had some good games, but so did Filimonov. And if you want to find a scapegoat, Panov deserves to be one just as well as him. Just wanted to let you know...

Anyway, here is my prediction for the upcoming season:
1. Spartak M (they just have the winning mentality, as opposed to Loko; plus if they do sign Iovov, the two Jugoslavs, and keep everybody else, including Tsymbalar', they should have a better team)
2. Loko M (will be very close and may even lead the championship for a while, but... see #1)
3. Torpedo M (kept most of their team intact, plus got Avakov, Vyazmikin, and a couple of other decent players)
4. Zenit (provided nothing unexpected happens)
5. CSKA (did not seem to improve their roster, exc. for maybe Enin)
6. Dynamo M (Gazzaev will do something, plus they have an interesting mix of experienced and young players. Voronkov and the Armenians might be the ones to watch)
7. Krylia Sovetov (that's a team I used to hate.. but I've got to admit, they made some very serious acquisitions in the offseason... Kasymov, Pagaev, Leonenko, Borodyuk... )
8. Alania (Demetradze's loss is gonna hurt; no matter what Nik might think, this guy could score!; + no Gazzaev, Kasymov, etc.)
9. Rostselmash (a solid team, but lost several key players and didn't really get anybody)
10. Lokomotiv NN (actually, looks the worst now... but Ovchinnikov will get his 20 new players eventually...(
11. Fakel
12. Saturn
13. Rotor
14. Uralan
15. Anzhi
16. Chernomoretz

Well, first of all:
Smertin is as fast as Kanchelskis. Have you watch how Kanchelskis played in 1994 - 1996? His best years. He wasn't fats, but he was qiuck. And Smertin is a great passer too. He likes to take the game on his soulders and he is very aggresive on the field -- I watched the Leeds-Loko game in Leeds. That is what similar to Belanov -- Smertin really gets the ball more, has a nice control and a great speed. And I seen Smertin playing midfield all the time I seen Loko's games. And about Pimenov -- This guy is impressive. He is just 18 - very young and has a tremedous talent -- considered the main russian striker in the future by many.


Panov needs consistency -- he has great games and games where he just fails. Great speed -- I have seen how those french defenders tried to keep up with him.

Besides, Nik. Romantsev actually knows what he is doing. Would he put a moron on the field? No, never. Titov isn't speedy, but he has what it takes to be one of the best midfielders in Russian Championship. And Filimonov isn't Chilavert, Toldo, Nigel Martyn, etc. But I think he deserves to be the main keeper of Russian National Squad. He wasn't in good form before that Ukraine game, though. I think Nigmatullin would really be more confident if he would play that game. Sure, I won't compare you to those fans, but those anti Manu fans said that Beckham wans't good, etc. So please, do not say that all Spartak's roster sucks just because you hate them.

How come you all forget Rotor? The team that usually developes their talents. Without Veretennikov, of course it is a different team, but anyways...


My predicitions about the bottom of the table:

12. Saturn
13. Fakel
14. Chernomorets
15. Lokomotiv Nizhny Novgorod
16. Anzhi

Hey guys

Nik
I think i did say that i m a Spartak fan. But i wasnt talking as a fan. Matter of fact you were http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif You are the one who said that Spartak has no good players i think. Every russian coach who was asked to name the best player in his own position named at least 4 players from Spartak. Do you really think that u are more competent then them? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif Never mind what i said, but what about them?
+ i didnt say that Shirko, Bulatov, Robson and Baranov are the best players in the country. But zenith in the second place ahead of spartak..... no, i dont think so, as i said before, not in the next few years.

Russian Rocket
I never said that Smertin is not good, i like the guy, he is a great player, but his style is different from belanov and Kanchelskis.
Pimenof is future, but we cant say that he is one of the best in the country before he starts playing like that in the regular season. But i hope he will be really really good.

I still havent heard anything about strikers
Well, i m gonna go, sleep for a few hours. I ll finish this later.

Take care
Basten10

Oh yeah, about strikers...
I think that's the main problem with Russian soccer... We just don't seem to have good ones lately. Let's see who were the national team forwards in the recent years:
- Panov (probably the best one now... that's scary... very, very inconsistent and unreliable player... can still grow, hopefully)
- Beschastnykh (hasn't played much recently, plus hasn't been really scoring since he left Spartak... and that was a long time ago...)
- Kolyvanov (arguably, one of the best Russian strikers... at least he still is in the premier Italian league... but has been injured most of the last years... plus probably will never play for the national team as long as Romantsev is the coach...)
- Radchenko (where is he now, anyway??...)
- Salenko (hasn't he also ended his career?...)
- Kiriakov (yeah right... a midfield from second German division....)
- Simutenkov (does not play much wherever he is.. probably forgot how to score by now...)
- Yuran (is getting old & slow... plus doesn't really score either)
- Shirko (unless he progresses rapidly, he just doesn't deserve to be in the national team)

sadly, that's about it... http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif(... Russia may have an outstanding midfield and good defense, but if they don't find a couple of decent strikers some time soon, they are going to be where they are now: out of major international competitions ......

But why nobody of you just don't want to understand???
I never told that i hate Spartak. I have just said what i think about SOME (not all) of players. And i can't say anything else after watch them playing.

To Russian Rocket:
There are 2 problems in our national squad: GKs and STs.
I think that Nigmatulin isn't rather good. He is very small guy and he can't jump high, but he is good in contact play. I think that he wouldn't do such a mistake like Filimonov but he could do another one.
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Hey guys

Nik
I had it in my head, but i forgot to mention it last time...
Here is what u said: "About Titov: he has no ball control: he always do short pass." Isnt short passing kinda a sinonim for ball control? http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif Have u ever seen a bad team, whose players have no ball control play short passing game??? I dont think so http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif To play sort passing game u must have great ball controll and team dissipline. And thats what makes Spartak one of the better clubs in europe, even though they dont have a single star in their squad. Spartak beat Real Madrid, play equaly with Inter but lost, beat Ajax, played BETTER then Leeds U, but lost to them because of the same problem.... Can create chances, but cant score. Compare those teams rosters, compare players prices....
Now remember Zenit games and Loko M game against Leeds???
Oh, and by the way... in France-Russia game if u didnt see Filimonov making great saves, u must have been watching a different game http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif Great save is not when goalkeeper jumps up higher then the goal ang grabs the ball, but when..... aaaaah, what the hell, go watch this game one more time, man http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif You ll see.
About that Russia-Ukraine game. Even though Panov is 160cm as u said, he barely had to jump. He didnt even jump, he just bent his knees and fell on the ground when ball hit him on the head after a perfect cross. He just cant play with his head, no matter how low the ball is. So u can say as well that Panov lost the game. It happened before Filimonov's mistake. If score was 2:0, it wouldnt matter if Filimonov made that mistake.
As i said before, you dont judge player by one mistake. I m sure that all goalies that u mentiond made mistakes like that. It was just a very unfortunate game for Filimonov.
As for the best goalie in russian championship, it is Berezovski from Zenit, no doubt about it.

SimonX
I know that there are no good russian strikers right now, but my question is why did strikers stop developing in russia. Ukraine has a lot of good strikers, and russia doesnt. Why?!?!? I want to see a good russian striker http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif I dont care what team he plays for, but i want to see him in the national team. 99.9% of players from russia have the same problem... no matter how good of a ball control they have, no matter how smart they play, no matter how fast they are, they just cant score. Whats up with that?

To Russian Rocket
As i understand u are from LA, man. Yesterday i played with some guys, just a friendly practice game. And we had a guy there, maybe u ve heard about him, Francis, or something like that, who played for Cameroon national team. He said he is gonna try out for LA Galaxy this spring. Man, if he is gonna play for LA, i feel sorry for them, because i dont know anything about Cameroonian national team, but this guy sucks. He didnt do nothing but foul people, and it was a friendly game, where people have fun. We got players there that are much better then him, and they dont play pro. Guy is a lefty, doesnt shoot with his left too well, and has no right at all...... whell, u get the drift http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif
God forbid, somebody might acutally buy this guy!!!

Take Care
Basten10

Nahhhh, Basten, I am from Bay Area. But anyways, you have played with a guy from Cameroonian National Team? That already says something -- I also go to practice, in college on Saturdays. And there is always a Ukrainian guy in my team, a goalkeeper. He played in 3rd Ukrainian division (he was 22-23 years old that time) and once, his team played with Dinamo Kyiv. He has that game videotaped, and I seen Shevchenko scoring 6 goals in his goal on that tape. And it surely was my friend in the goal for the Dinamo's opponent. And, as he says, Andrii made a few compliments to him, although Dinamo Kyiv won 12:0. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

Anyways, what made you think that I was from orange?

And, btw, ARE YOU RUSSIAN? Very interesting, cos I was arguing about the FAPFLM 2k game and all that not knowing that you were russian yourself.

Yeah, I agree with you about the differences in budgets between russian clubs and, for example italian clubs. Italian clubs spend about 20-100 million dollars on signings per year, and it is very hard for Spartak to buy Iovov for 400 thousand dollars. Zenit got 2 nillion dollars no signings, too, which is considered a lot in Russia. I think that it is Spartak's style that makes them so good -- those player who wo not adopt Spartak's style get kicked out the team (Kanischev, Yuran). And our coaches are very very ...smart, should I say?

I heard the news, that another young striker in Loko developes (Zinoviev, 18 years of age). He scored two goals against some Israeli team yesterday.

Actually, Russia has a lot of young players, and there are a lot of talent down there. Why do not we talk about youngsters, too?

Here are the top prospects in Russian Champiosnhip:

Petukhov -- Zenit
Malafeev -- Zenit
Kagazezhev -- Dinamo M
Pimenov -- Loko M
Zinoviev -- Loko M
Sememenko -- Loko M
Aristarkhov -- Torpedo M
Semshov -- Torpedo M
Zlydnev -- Spartak M
Bezrodny -- Spartak M
Kotov -- Spartak M
M.Shevchenko -- Chernomorets
Chichkin -- Rotor
Mysin -- Rotor
Sakiev -- Alania
Mandrykin -- Alania

Is there anyone that should be added to this list? These guys are not the world stars necesseraly, but who knows.............



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To Basten10:

I told you that every good header can miss in this situation(Bierhoff). I have already said about GK and the score. Of course when ST miss he make a mistake but the keeper have no right to do mistakes. So please don't try to find others mistakes. Ukrainian GK Shovkovsky made a mistake too when they were playing with Slovenia (or Slovakia, i don't remember). He thought that he is a defender and tryed to show his dribbling. He made an excellent pass to an other team player and that player scored from the middle of the field. His team lost too so what you think i can say about a keeper like he is. Yes, you are right, i think that he isn't good GK. Before that match he was called one of the best europeen keepers and now he is nothing.
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To Russian Rocket:
Don't you think that Demenko is a young player too?

Max Demenko is 23, which is relatively young. I was kinda listing youngsters (21, 20, 19, 18, 17 year olds). If I would make 23-24 year old squad, I would also include


Sergei Osipov 21 Zenit
Dmitri Davydov 24 Zenit
Alexander Panov 24 Zenit
Max Demenko 23 Zenit
Aleksei Igonin 23 Zenit
Artem Enin 23 CSKA
Sergei Semak 23 CSKA
Igor Aksenov 22 CSKA
Andrei Tsaplin 22 CSKA
Maxim Buznikin 22 Spartak
Edouard Mor 23 Spartak
Aleksei Meleshin 23 Spartak
Egor Titov 23 Spartak
Aleksnadr Shirko 23 Spartak
Vadim Evseev 23 Loko M
Gennadi Nizhegorodov 22 Loko M
Aleksei Smertin 24 Loko M
Andrei Solomatin 24 Loko M
Aleksnandr Berketov 24 Rotor
Andrei Durov 22 Rotor
Sergei Kopnin 23 Rotor
Andrei Krivov 23 Rotor
Denis Matiola 22 Rotor
Nikolai Olenikov 24 Rotor
Vladimir Smirnov 22 Rotor
Sergei Burchenkov 22 Torpedo M
Mikhail Kharin 23 Torpedo M
Igor Semshov 21 Torpedo M
Konstantin Golovskoy 24 Dinamo M
Rolan Gusev 22 Dinamo M
Yevgeni Korablev Dinamo M
German Kutarba 21 Alania
Mikhail Lunin 21 Uralan
Sergei Armishev 23 Anzhi
Denis Peremenin 22 Anzhi
Aleksei Medvedev 22 Saturn
Dmitri Lyapkin 23 Saturn
Anzor Dzamikhov 24 Loko NN
Aleksandr Lipko 24 Loko NN


And again, these guys are not stars necesseraly, but they always can develope and improve. Did I miss anyone?

Hey, everybody!
Yuri Semin said that Aleksei Smertin is not moving anywhere this season. He wants to keep Smertin for at least one season. So, Basten, as you said -- this guy needs one more year in Russia.

Cheers,

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, they all suck
all of them!!!

national team needs a different style then spartak moscow
as much as i respect romancev, and i dont blame him for the loss to israel, national team needs a little different style, quicker style

the way it looks right now, russia didnt deserve to be in euro2000 http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/frown.gif

Basten10

PS This sucks