i read in a previous thread how to assign new positions.
but it's been a season and no position has been assigned.
like i assigned o'shea lb .and besides the stars in training there are no improvem,ents.
?

It takes ages. I'm surprised O'Shea is taking so long as he is quite young. It is practially impossible to change players over 24.

-C

took me a few months to get John O Shea to become (DC) a DLC, but i never succeeded in turning Markus Neumayr (MC) into an AMR or Roy Keane (DMC) into a DC.

intresting comment calumn, though i would put the age limit higher, i think if you try and train anyone over 28 then you've got no chance.

Players train in new postions quicker than others may do mainly due to 3 things in my opnion;

1. Firstly, the age matters immensily, as said earlier, a player over 28 will find it very difficult to change postions, mainly due to them being set in their ways and USED to playing as they do, look at the problems Roy Keane is having, he refuses to change his position, SET in his ways.

2. Following on from the first one, Determination and Work Rate is important, the player must have enthusiasm and want to change postions if it will mean he will get in the team, a player with Determination 20 and Work Rate 18 is more likely to change postions QUICKER than one with 4 and 7.

3. Most important of all and the thing CM particularly looks out for, the hidden attribute of Versitility, is the player in question actually any good at training for a new postion, can he take to the new regime, the new players around him, the difference between attack and defence. Versitality takes all this into account, as it is not something you can tell ever day, ("Oh look, that man has high versitility!") then it is a hidden attribute.

HOWEVER, when you think about it, John O'Shea in my opinion has all these, so maybe im am overlooking something, or maybe CM4 is just badly programmed, hope this helped.

TROD.

I wonder if the amount of positions the player can already play in has any affect on his speed at learning a new one.

-C

thats an intresting idea.. hmm, i suppose a player who already regularly plays in midfield RLC is better than a MC to re-locate to other positions. lol.

Maybe, if so that would explain PART of the John O'Shea problem, intresting. This is a good thread too. lol

TROD.

If it did have an affect, I wonder what sort of affect it would have. One could argue that the more positions a player has, the more experience he has at varying postions, the easier he'd find it to fit into a new position. One could also argue that players who have more positions would be unable to handle many more, and those with just one or two perhaps could.

-C

you've got a point, a player training in various postions may literally have an information overload, having to constantly train and improve EVERY part of their game, if they didnt then they may get complacent and although seem to put in masses of effort into their training they may player WORSE on the pitch, so i suppose it works both ways.

Only problem is - i doubt that CM4 takes all this in, and more or less depends on the versitality rating. Pity, then again, we'd all get bored if we had the perfect game. ;) :D

TROD.

Yeah LOL. Also, I expect whether a player is left or right footed is taken into account for what position they can move into. I spend 3 years on 01/02 trying to traing Zenden to be a AMR with no success ;)

-C

oh yeah! i forgot that on my list, that must be taken into account... surely!!!! lol. Is John O'Shea right or left footed, that could be the reason.

TROD.

No idea, he plays left back from Man Utd quite alot in real life though.

-C

yeha but he used to be a CB. unsuccesfully mind, he realised he had to change postions to get a game, looks like it worked for him, well done old boy. lol

TROD.

LOL, just like he has to change positions to get a game in www.www.com.com's CM game ;)

-C

exactly. what a class place to finish for me, im off to play Icewind Dale 2, see ya later. lol

TROD.:rockman:

right.. i feel a challenge coming on..

see if anyone out there can end up with a player being trained to play D/DM/AM/F/S RLC ;) and if that's too easy, try adding GK to that too..

LOL, challenge accepted ;)

Actually, Steven Reid was just like that to start with in 01/20

-C

man, you just can't stop laughing lately..

LOL, no I cant, I have a disorder :(

-C

Originally posted by marc_angelus
right.. i feel a challenge coming on..

see if anyone out there can end up with a player being trained to play D/DM/AM/F/S RLC ;) and if that's too easy, try adding GK to that too..

i dont think its possible to get a F and an S on the positions. or DM and AM. lol

On a more serious note... though only slightly, try getting a CB to be a D/M/F RLC. Thats impossible as it is!

TROD.

Calumn, i think the doctor has time to see you now. run along. lol

Originally posted by TROD
i dont think its possible to get a F and an S on the positions. or DM and AM. lol

sshhhh don't tell Calumn; this will keep him busy for months ;)

Originally posted by marc_angelus
sshhhh don't tell Calumn; this will keep him busy for months ;) You've got that right ;) I consider this a matter of honour ;)

-C

John O'Shea is either footed...that sounds weird...well he is both right and left footed. Why not make him a D RLC?

yup, did that in my first CM4 game, but just made him a DLC this time around.. i have plenty of RB's

my arse he's left footed, one min..... hmm. hmm....... open this........ ...... ....

Left foot 16
Right foot 20.

Thats what it says on the editor, so although he is either footed he is a prefered right footer.

TROD.

Yeah but 16 is still fairly strong.

-C

tis, but hes NOT left footed, btw, Steven Reid is a good player on CM.

TROD.

Actually, if you don't mind me shining my light in here :p
I think that 16 footedness is not that good, it's like being able to kick a ball with that foot, but not accurately or over great distances. Might still be good enough for defensive players, though.

thank you Ruud, thats what i mean, a player always has a pure 20 on one of his foots, that is his preferred foot. I personally dont think its possible to get a 20 on the other, if so, i feel it is unrealistic. No way can a player play exactly as good with one foot as the other. Vice versa.

TROD.

It's not true. You can always play badly with both feet... :D

yeah i think i'm like L3 R2 :rolleyes:

@ Trod
Have you seen Joonas Koolka?
He can play with both feet the same as good

lol. I suppose you're right, but what i mean is, you'll ALWAYS be slightly better on one foot than the other.

TROD.

Maybe, but even so, it is very hard to say with some players, coz they they r almost the same as good with both feet. There is just a slllight diff...

exactly, a difference, evern George Best woulnt have 20 20.

TROD.

Yeah but a player cant have 19.5 in this game :crazyboy:

very funny, i cant think of the best player in the world at playing with both feet, but whowever it is on champ, he SHOULD have 20 19, no more.

TROD.