Top Ten Batsmen and Bowlers (ODI Cricket)


Batting Performances in the Last 2 Years
R
Player Inns NO 50s 100s HS Aggr Avg
1 D S Lehmann (AUS) 26 8 4 2 119 987 54.83
2 N D McKenzie (SAF) 25 8 6 1 131 881 51.82
3 S R Tendulkar (IND) 39 5 9 5 152 1758 51.71
4 R R Sarwan (WIN) 38 9 7 1 102 1411 48.66
5 B C Lara (WIN) 28 6 6 3 116 1062 48.27
6 L Klusener (SAF) 30 13 5 0 83 819 48.18
7 M L Hayden (AUS) 45 8 10 1 146 1745 47.16
8 J H Kallis (SAF) 48 7 13 3 125 1915 46.71
9 J N Rhodes (SAF) 38 11 11 1 107 1258 46.59
10 D R Martyn (AUS) 41 12 8 2 104 1346 46.41


Bowling Performances in the Last 2 Years
R
Player Overs Mdns Runs Wkts 4w Avg
1 M Muralitharan (SRL) 418.3 46 1300 92 6 14.13
2 G D McGrath (AUS) 378.4 67 1354 72 4 18.81
3 S E Bond (NZL) 228.2 28 969 51 5 19.00
4 B Lee (AUS) 371.0 36 1701 87 7 19.55
5 J N Gillespie (AUS) 302.2 37 1202 57 3 21.09
6 Shoaib Akhtar (PAK) 331.1 22 1502 68 3 22.09
7 J Anderson (ENG) 191.2 19 930 42 4 22.14
8 Z Khan (IND) 328.1 27 1482 66 4 22.45
9 S M Pollock (SAF) 569.1 67 2103 90 5 23.37
10 M Ntini (SAF) 502.4 50 2106 90 4 23.40

What about Tests?

sarwan is in 4th:Bow: my fav batsman:p his bloody amazing

Yeah, Sarwan's the man:), but Sachin's better:D:p

I think that batting and bowling ranks shouldn't be purely based on a player's average...

Originally posted by man united forever
Yeah, Sarwan's the man:), but Sachin's better:D:p

ya sachin is also up there.:) but sarwan's almost as good as him;)

you look at the rankings and you'll realise how good tendulkar is ... look at his Innings and aggregate ..simply amazing ... Lehmann a great ozzie not the best in the world

Originally posted by boosted
I think that batting and bowling ranks shouldn't be purely based on a player's average...
True - the average doesn't tell the whole story. There is no one way of choosing the best batsman in the world. Basing it on strike rates means Shahid Afridi, Virender Sehwag, Ricardo Powell and Adam Gilchrist are the best batsmen in the world, which they aren't. It's also unfair to the sheet anchor style batsmen who are vital to the team and quite often amongst the best batsmen in the team e.g. Gary Kirsten. Aggregates aren't fair on the younger batsmen. If only there was a way of measuring technique and entertainment value......

Can't argue with Neil McKenzie being up there either - I love that guy's technique.
This is how I feel they should rank:
1. Tendulkar(No bias here, obviously;))
2. Matthew Hayden
3. Brian Lara
4. Ramnaresh Sarwan
5. Neil McKenzie
6. Damien Martyn
7. Rahul Dravid
8. Justin Langer
9. Steve Waugh(call him washed up or whatever, I'd still have this guy in my team any day).
10.Jacques Kallis


Bowlers:
1. Glenn McGrath(is there anyone better?)
2. Jason Gillespie(terribly underrated)
3. Shane Bond
4. Muttiah Muralitharan
5. Shane Warne
6. Harbhajan Singh
7. Daniel Vettori
8. Brett Lee
9. Shoaib Akhtar
10. Stuart MacGill

I've tried to cover up my fast bowler bias with the obvious choices, and I know I'm missing a few big names like Anil Kumble, Makhaya Ntini, James Anderson, Zaheer Khan, Javagal Srinath, Ashish Nehra and Shaun Pollock, but I don't think there's any space for them in the list. I very nearly picked Zaheer though(no bias here again:D)



On a side note, watch out for India's two newest pacemen - Aavishkar Salvi and Munaf Patel. Salvi looks a fantastic prospect and his action bears more than a passing resemblance to Glenn McGrath's. Apparently he is able to generate raw pace - something we haven't seen in a while. He has already played a few matches for the national side. Munaf Patel on the other hand, has hardly got any first-class matches under his belt, but the hype around him is growing. He has reportedly reached speeds of up to 145 km/h in the nets and he's still a young fella. Check out more stuff about him here:
http://www-nz.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2003/SEP/248471_IND_05SEP2003.html

i think the reason gillespie is under rated firstly is because he is number 3 or even 4 in the bowling ranks behind Mcgrath , Lee and Warne (before he got banned for eating to many baked beans) but he is also very injury prone ... no complaints here though i think he is a great bowler

Originally posted by boosted
I think that batting and bowling ranks shouldn't be purely based on a player's average...
Yeah definitely, especially for guys who create so many chances like Gillespie, but have what seems like a heap of badluck (they showed last year statisitcs on dropped catches, and Dizzy Gillespie had a heap more against his bowling than any other aussie bowler)...Gillespie bowls line and length at pace...McGrath bowls line and length, Lee bowls pace...great combination, pity we dont have an all-rounder who is a really good swinger (ala. Damien Fleming)..hmmm :)

Originally posted by maddog1983
i think the reason gillespie is under rated firstly is because he is number 3 or even 4 in the bowling ranks behind Mcgrath , Lee and Warne (before he got banned for eating to many baked beans) but he is also very injury prone ... no complaints here though i think he is a great bowler
Gillespie definitely isnt behind Brett Lee in the Australia pecking order...maybe in the australia publicty order, but not the fast bowling pecking order...Towards the end of the Bangladesh tests, Steve Waugh was even bowling McGrath into the wind with Gillespie at the other end, I dont think their can be a greater compliment for a pace bowler.

Its hard to rate pace bowlers against spinners, and its also hard to rate "wicket takers" (ala. Brett Lee), against guys who often just bowl to "keep it tight", but most the lists people have posted I agree with mostly...

As for batting, I think a guy like Adam Gilchrist, who has a brilliant one-day strike rate (82.65!!! YES just in test matches, its above 90 in one dayers), BUT in test cricket has the highest average in the Australian side-58.8 (barring Martin Love i think, but thats because he's only just come in, and has already played Bangladesh ;)) has to be in ANY list of top 10 batsmen...His test match strike rate is up there as one of the worlds best, and his test match strike-rate is better than an average one-day batsmens'. Everyone rates Mark Waugh as one of the best one-day batsmen ever...Adam Gilchrists Test strike rate is better than Mark Waughs one-day strike rate (which was around 77-78)



And has everyone forgotten Ricky Ponting? His test average over the last 12months has been as good as anyones (quote will not be honoured ;))....

I think on talent, averages, and strike-rate the best batsmen would be something like this:

1.Sachin Tendulkar
2.Matt Hayden
3.Brian Lara
4.Adam Gilchrist
5.Neil McKenzie
6.Michael Vaughan
7.Ricky Ponting
8.Damien Martyn
9.Ramnaresh Sarwan
10.Jaques Kallis

Bowlers would be something like:
1.Glenn McGrath
2.Jason Gillespie (hot on the heels of the man that has been there for so long...)
3.Muttiah Muralitharan (suspect action or not, he has batsmen wondering...innocent until proven guilty and his career stats speak for themself)
4.Shane Warne (Ask any batsmen in the world who they DONT want to face, and chances are that his name will come up a few times)
5.Harbhajan Singh (following in the tradition of good sub-continent offies-Saqlain the other obvious current day guy to go with Singh and Murali)
6.Shane Bond (a bit like Gillespie, line and length at pace)
7.Shaun Pollock (Similar to McGrath, in that he has it on the spot 99% of the time)
8.Brett Lee(the new white lightning?)
9.Stuart MacGill (Can be wayward, but not many guys take wickets as often as he does)
10. Shoaib Akhtar (how can you include Lee, and not Shoaib ;))

Originally posted by Alex
Gillespie definitely isnt behind Brett Lee in the Australia pecking order...maybe in the australia publicty order, but not the fast bowling pecking order...Towards the end of the Bangladesh tests, Steve Waugh was even bowling McGrath into the wind with Gillespie at the other end, I dont think their can be a greater compliment for a pace bowler.

Its hard to rate pace bowlers against spinners, and its also hard to rate "wicket takers" (ala. Brett Lee), against guys who often just bowl to "keep it tight", but most the lists people have posted I agree with mostly...

As for batting, I think a guy like Adam Gilchrist, who has a brilliant one-day strike rate (82.65!!! YES just in test matches, its above 90 in one dayers), BUT in test cricket has the highest average in the Australian side-58.8 (barring Martin Love i think, but thats because he's only just come in, and has already played Bangladesh ;)) has to be in ANY list of top 10 batsmen...His test match strike rate is up there as one of the worlds best, and his test match strike-rate is better than an average one-day batsmens'. Everyone rates Mark Waugh as one of the best one-day batsmen ever...Adam Gilchrists Test strike rate is better than Mark Waughs one-day strike rate (which was around 77-78)



And has everyone forgotten Ricky Ponting? His test average over the last 12months has been as good as anyones (quote will not be honoured ;))....

I think on talent, averages, and strike-rate the best batsmen would be something like this:

1.Sachin Tendulkar
2.Matt Hayden
3.Brian Lara
4.Adam Gilchrist
5.Neil McKenzie
6.Michael Vaughan
7.Ricky Ponting
8.Damien Martyn
9.Ramnaresh Sarwan
10.Jaques Kallis

Bowlers would be something like:
1.Glenn McGrath
2.Jason Gillespie (hot on the heels of the man that has been there for so long...)
3.Muttiah Muralitharan (suspect action or not, he has batsmen wondering...innocent until proven guilty and his career stats speak for themself)
4.Shane Warne (Ask any batsmen in the world who they DONT want to face, and chances are that his name will come up a few times)
5.Harbhajan Singh (following in the tradition of good sub-continent offies-Saqlain the other obvious current day guy to go with Singh and Murali)
6.Shane Bond (a bit like Gillespie, line and length at pace)
7.Shaun Pollock (Similar to McGrath, in that he has it on the spot 99% of the time)
8.Brett Lee(the new white lightning?)
9.Stuart MacGill (Can be wayward, but not many guys take wickets as often as he does)
10. Shoaib Akhtar (how can you include Lee, and not Shoaib ;))
thought I might add....

If anyone thinks Im being biased towards the Aussies...Look at the World Cup...look at the last 10 years of test matches...Those results are biased towards the aussies, so any ratings list should do the same ;)

There are some offical rankings somewhere

Gillespie is australias no2 bowler behind Glenn McGrath Brett Lee battles with Bichel for the 3rd Fast Bowling Spot in the test and one day teams.

Glenn McGrath isnt the best bowler in terms of Natural Skill.

What makes him the best is that he know's his limit's and doesn't try to out do himself, just bowls the same length, accurate, and doesn't give the batsmen room to play there shots and dictate play.

You got to think, I could captain the Australian side to 40 test victories.

"Alright guys, the poms are making runs, I'll give the ball to McGrath and who else... hmmm... Warne? Ok just bowl your stuff, no worries"

Really, its not hard, just tell them to bowl tight and the wickets will come.

Sachin,,,, HAHA

Best Bowler is Steve Harmison. COme ON YOu ENGLISH

James Anderson and Andrew Flintoff are better than Harmison....by miles, and don't get me started on the non-English bowlers.

Harmison is crap. I think he has only ever bowled one good spell and that was in the last test against Sth Africa.

Anderson, Simon Jones and Flintoff are the future for England.

None should even be in the top 10 but at least they have potential unlike Harmison.

Im sorry to say no english bowlers should be in the top 10. Vaughen should be in the top 10 batsmen maybe but thats it

Is it just me or is Harmison's action one of the ugliest in cricket? Arms outside the plane of the body, no real rhythm to his approach and just a big swing of the arm to bang the ball into the pitch as hard as possible.

man the top ten for both batsmen and bowling should be dominated by aussies... naturally.. but best batsmen has to be tendulkar or ponting :D