Which do you think will be the best?

I say.....PS2 (PlayStation2)!!!!!!

I agree PSX 2 will be the best. The system can play games on DVD. That is over 4GB of space on one disk. I can't wait until it comes out.

Not only that, but you can also play your Playstation games on the PSX 2, since the PSX 2 is backward-compatible. http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif


-G




[This message has been edited by Goodsport (edited 03-13-2000).]

Dolphin will have the best games, but PSX2 will be most popular and X-Box most powerful.

In that case, buy all three! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/biggrin.gif


-G

Why was everyone so impressed wtih the X-Box demonstration when all they were was FMV's????? They could of done that on the PSX....PS2 is the best system by far.

What is th dolphin and x-box and who makes them never heard of them.

These are the names of the 128-bit console systems. So far, only Sega's Dreamcast has been released in stores, but the following should be released later this year:

Playstation 2 = Sony's 128-bit console system

Dolphin = Nintendo's 128-bit console system

X-Box = Microsoft's 128-bit console system


Hope that helped! http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif


-G

THANX http://www.soccergaming.com/ubb/smile.gif

«DoH» Why was everyone so impressed ?

Do your research BOY

X-Box vs PSX2

X-BoX:

- CPU -> 600 MHz Intel
- Graphics Processor -> 300 MHz custom-designed X-Chip, developed by Microsoft and nVidia
- Total Memory -> 64 MB
- Memory Bandwidth -> 6.4 GB/sec
- Polygon Performance -> 300 M/sec
- Storage Medium -> 4x DVD, 8 GB hard disk, 8 MB memory card
- Broadband Enabled -> Yes (100 MBps Ethernet )
- DVD Movie Playback -> Built in

PSX2:
- CPU -> 300 MHz
- Graphics Processor -> 150 MHz Sony GS
- Total Memory -> 38 MB
- Polygon Performance -> 3.2 GB/sec
- Storage Medium -> 66 M/sec
- Storage Medium -> 2x DVD, 8 MB memory card
- Broadband Enabled -> Future upgrade
- DVD Movie Playback -> Utility required to be on memory card
- Operating System -> Windows 2000

SOURCE: www.microsoft.com

you want to see real graphix? check these screenshots:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/features/03-10screen.jpg

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/features/03-10screen2.jpg

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/images/features/03-10screen5.jpg

NOW THOSE ARE GRAPHIX

SO...NOW do u know why everyone was so impressed ?

LOL Nuff Said

Scratch that Operating system for PSX2

that was for the X-BoX !!!

=)

Those were FMV's....the original PlayStation could pull off something like that. Its wasn't realtime, it was set-up to do that. Any system with a CD can do that.

I almost forgot, the PS2's CPU is equal to twice the performance of a PIII 700 MHz CPU. Its called a Emotion Engine and Microsoft doesn't have it.

Has anyone heard about the new PS2 not being able to play ALL old playstation games.

I heard it on the tail end of a business report on CNN.

PS2 won't be able to play all PS2 games. Never fear though, the games it can't play are all strange Japanese things never realesed in USA or Europe.
As a Nintendo fan I hope the big N will come and wipe everybody else out. However, I'm also a realist and have seen the way Nintendo have treated developers and especially the UK market before, so I think it will be a straight fight between X-Box and PS2. I'm still looking forward to 128 bit Mario, and Velvet Dark though...

PS Are those XBOX demos FMV? thought they were real time! If not then my old Saturn can pull that off!

Who gives a crap ?

And come on...don't exaggerate...LOL twice the performance of an intel p3 700 ? cite your sources and we will believe.

And who cares about FMV's. Remember, this is the INTRODUCTORY version of Microshaft's X-BoX, which means that it is still in development =)

They obviously aren't going to have REAL games...LOL cause they haven't been produced !!!

So in a sense, the graphix will be even better =) Also, you failed to read about all the specs that outdid the PSX2, like broadband and memory capabilities as hard drive space.

But anyway, it's useless arguing, we will wait and see when the systems compare once they are released. Until then... ;0)

MY PC IS STILL THE BEST!!! WHERE ELSE CAN YOU COPY CD'S AND PLAY FIFA AT THE SAME TIME!!

Hey, TeKNoS go here and read the article:

http://www1.pcworld.com/pcwtoday/article/0,1510,15038+1+0,00.html

Source: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/03-10xbox.asp

X-BoX:
It will push about 300 million polygons per second -- more than three times the graphics performance of its closest competitor, Sony PlayStation 2, which was recently released in Japan.

Perhaps the most significant difference between the two consoles is the hard drive built into X-Box, supporting 8GBs of hard disk space; PlayStation 2 does not have a hard drive. The hard drive will give X-Box gamers more realism, speed, expandability and storage, providing for richer game experiences. Fans of sports games, such as basketball, will no longer have to wait for their console to catch up to the action. "He shoots, he scores!" will be in real time.

Though X-Box is first and foremost a superior gaming machine, and like traditional game consoles will run through a TV set, it will have additional capabilities for a consumer's convenience. Out of the box, the console will come standard with four game controller ports, a DVD player, a hard drive, and broadband Internet access (it will be able to support a modem as an add-on), with a keyboard and mouse as optional peripherals. (making it a game console/Personal Computer)

Broadband access will enable users to play with thousands of other gamers on the Internet, and will provide the ability to download the latest updates to games. In a basketball video game, for example, a user will be able to download the most current status of teams in the NBA, so the game will accurately reflect that information.

Consumers aren't the only ones who will benefit from X-Box. Microsoft is encouraged by the number of high-profile retailers, game developers and publishers that have responded positively to X-Box. Gamers have expressed excitement about the console, and developers are enthused as well, knowing they will be able to make better games and faster. About 30 percent of X-Box games will be developed by Microsoft, while the other 70 percent will be developed by third parties.

"We are very impressed with the technology and are looking forward to creating games that will leverage the power of the system," said Gregory Fischbach, co-chairman and CEO of Acclaim Entertainment, Inc. "We view the advent of the next generation consoles -- such as X-Box -- as a tremendous opportunity to grow our business."

Just thought I would share that with you guys =)

How did X-Box do that demo without their graphics chip done yet???? Something is going on at Microsoft that doesn't sound right. TeKNoS, I'm waitng for your response.

HEY buddy

If you didn't READ, because you must be illiterate, it was indicating that those specs would be included in the final version !!! ughhh people are ignorant

Anyway, this is the chip that they used in the demo, as revealed by BillyBoy himself:

"This is our show box. This is the box that we take to trade shows. Currently inside it has an nVidia N15 processor, which has about 10 percent of the final performance of the X-Box."

there's your answer

how come no1 talks about Dreamcast, after all, it's the only console out there with a$$-kicking graphics.
By the way, Virtua Striker 2000 will hit the stores tomorrow here in US.

The reason why nobody talks about Dreamcast is cause it is dead, stick a fork in it, Dreamcast is done for. PS2 and X-Box are the future, Dolphin might be good but probably not.

Look for the X-BOX at E3 gaming show this May I bet it will be the talk of the show with it's awsome graphics.

I think the message icon to your left says all that can be said about Microsoft's X-Box.

Yeah, better graphics is allways good, but let us not go any further than the FIFA series: Do Better Graphics Allways Mean Better Gameplay or More Fun?
I didn't think so. How many of you still play FIFA 2000?(fun and replay value, get it?)

In the graphics area, X-Box may otutshine Sony's wonder-machine, but let us not forget that Sony has been in the gaming bussines for over 5 years. Within this 5 year life-span, Sony has realeased over 3000 titles arround the world. Now that's something isn't it?

Also, (now this is where Sony has the edge) REMEMBER THAT PS2 IS BAKWARDS COMPATIBLE!!!!
While you're waiting for the next titles to come out, you can still play your OLD or NEW games on the PS2 system with enhanced graphics provided by one of PS2 features.

Also, remember that 80% of the best developers are already working on new titles for Sony's next Generation Machine, whereas, Capcom, Konami, and few others have not yet decided to join the big "M" but rather have said that they are excited about the X-Box and they are THINKING about creating games for the system. And I don't think you can blame them, since the demos were not even runing on the much praised system. And don't even think that you will see good games for X-Box at least until 2002. And from how Bill Gates & Microsoft have handled the PC bussiness, I do not see a light at the end of the tunel unless it's a train, of course (still curious though).

As for the graphics chip itself, it is supposed to be manufactured by NVidia, and frankly I don't see how such a company can release a chip that is three generations ahead of its own chip that is available today.

PS: Just out of curiosity, How many of you are sick of upgrading your system everytime a better game comes out?(A good proof how Microsoft handles bussiness.)

Just out of curiosity, what Operating System are you running on ?

Windows ? oh ! yes that's what I thought.

N E way...about the better graphics issue. Yeah X-BoX will have better graphics, but they are also improving gameplay ! They are going to add on a hard drive so when you want to update let's say player rosters for your favorite sports games, you can ! Can you do this with the PSX2 ? I don't think so

AND please...let's refrain from making stupid comments. NVidia has lots of time to make a better chip, since the X-BoX isn't scheduled to release until 2001 =) And don't start on "oh playstation will be out before" WHO CARES CAUSE X-BoX will blow it AWAY. thank you very much

And also about sales and marketing. Microsoft has an very very very large budget, amassing more than AOL/Time Warner (saw this in newsweek), and they dominate the operating system scene. Microsoft Windows is on more than about 87% of home personal computers, and the only competing system which is incomplete by the way, is Linux.

Hmmm now to counteract your comment about upgrades. Developers work hard to make games better. If your sorry system cannot handle the new requirements then that is your fault. If you do not like PC games then i suggest sticking to consoles. iF not, then sit back and appreciate the improving technology.

I don't even know why you brought that up in the first place anyway since the X-BoX is a gaming console. LOL and check this out: it's also a PC !!! it's going to run Windows 2000 on it and it will have a 10/100 Mbit ethernet card for cable modems to access the net. Will PSX have this ? Nooooooo ;0)

it's time for a superior system, and Microsoft is going to offer it.

Until 2001, we will wait...

Oh just one last thing

If you thought that FIFA 2000 had good graphics, you are lost and out of your mind

I think they are lame and cartoonlike

Check out the graphics on Microsoft's International Football 2000, and then you will see good, realistic figures

www.microsoft.com/sports/soccer2000

Thanks for your time =)

Just A Question: If you like Microsoft Int. Football 2000 so much better than FIFA 2000, how come you're on this forum?

Anyway, to answer your questions regarding the hard-drive, and Internet: Yes, PS2 will have a hardrive, keyboard(already in development), and Internet before even the big "M" will announce the first batch of games.

But to be frank with you, I'm not very excited about it. You know why? Because you just won't be able to rent a game first before you buy it. You won't be able to see what you're paying for. Can you rent Ages OF EmpiresII to see if it's worth the money? No. Will you be angry if it's not what everybody hyped it up to be? Yes.

In my humble oppinion, the only one to even challenge Sony, will be Nintendo. They are patiently waiting, and when finally everybody is done with their announcements, they will pop out of the blue and announce their most powerful system, "Dolphin" (what kind of name is this anyway, Will the system be water friendly?) But the only problem is again the number of quality games that they are planning to realease with their system. And if the delays and sort of games on N64 are any indication, the big "N" will again be just another console.

PS: If Microsoft is so perfect, how come FIFA 2000 isn't working with the new Windows 2000?

LoLjester:

I just have to say that you are the most ignorant person I have had to deal with. Your questions are rhetorical and lack research.

First of all, to answer your question about FIFA2000 and MS Windows2000, go check out the 3/15 news at www.fifa2000.net there it has a message straight from the EA people. Think about it, was NT 4.0 able to play games ? NOOOOOOOOO

No one is perfect. No one said MS was perfect. Grow up. Windows 2000 was originally NT5, only it was made more user friendly and released to the public. By the way, for home users they released a Secondary, more simplified version of Win2k. It's a new operating system. Not only do games not work perfectly, but hardware and other software conflicts with it.

Don't give me crap about Microsoft being stupid or anything because YOU are using windows. When you are using Linux or something comparable, then talk. When you can actually learn to code and market an operating system that millions of people use, then you can talk. Dont complain about things you do not know about.

Again, yes I would be able to test games. That's what DEMOS are for. Also, Nintendo, which is my preferred system/company, will compete, yes. But how can you say that Microsoft isn't patiently waiting when their system will be released in 2001 ?

Also about your commentary about the PSX's hard drive and the keyboard, I'd like to see the url for that. Also, visit here before you make any more comments: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/features/2000/03-10xbox.asp

And finally to answer your question about me being here:
I was unsatisfied with FIFA2k. I think it was released too early and I used to enjoy the FIFA series until this and FIFA99 came out. I am not the only one. People have been complaining since last year about FIFA games. EA doesn't listen; we have already tried. But I am not about to spend another 40-60$ on another crap game. I am turning to MS International Football anyway when I get ahold of a copy.

Anyway, there you go. And PLEASE think before you speak, or do some reseach ?

Thanks

First of all: Aren't you being too defensive?
I mean, You're trying way too hard to defend a company that hasn't even released anything more than the specs for the system. I would understand if you worked for Microsoft and they paid you good money for standing up for them, but let's get real, they are nothing but some blood-s****** who don't give a damn on what the consumers actually want (wouldn't you be the same?)

Just to make one thing clear: I don't actually love Sony, and I'd be more than happy to see X-Box succeed (gotta' love better games!), but again, untill I see some quality games for the system that actually beat Sony's games hands-down, there's not much chance for me to jump on the X-Box bandwagon.

Well, how about we wait and see; let us just wait for all the systems to actually come out and then compare them. Also try to be more flexible, it's not like the end of the world if you choose something different than Microsoft (I know you like Nintendo, and that's good.)

As for me being ignorant, well I'm not, I'm just trying to go with what's been succesfull so far and Sony has certainlly been that. I actually own a PC, Sony, and a Nintendo64, and I can actually tell you that except for playing Zelda on the N64, there's not much out there that actually excites me. As a result of this, dust's been covering the system for a while now.

And finally about me not doing my research, well I can tell you that I visit many sites on the web that deal (among others) with this very issue, (can't tell if they are reliable sources though.) As for the announcement that you asked for, it's on one of these websites (can't remember which one,) but be sure that, as soon as I can find it, I will post the link.

As an end note, I cincerely hope that X-Box can outperform Sony's machine, as a matter of fact, I would love to see both PS2 and X-Box succeed and go head to head for the next decade. (Wouldn't it be nice to play different games on different systems? Just imagine the diversity and ammount of games you can play.)

PS: Try not to diss' somebody just because they have a different taste or oppinon.

Cheers.

The only time I get too defensive is when people make opinionated comments about topics they haven't researched or cannot present facts about.

This is what sparked up my anger:
«I think the message icon to your left says all that can be said about Microsoft's X-Box»
(displays a thumbs down)

«but rather have said that they are excited about the X-Box and they are THINKING about creating games for the system. And I don't think you can blame them, since the demos were not even runing on the much praised system.»

Well what do you expect if the games have not been developed ? And who cares if the games arent yet created, because the people who coded those demos were microsoft people, and they were displayed with Nvidia graphix, which is the company collaborating with Microsoft !!! Remember that the X-BoX is a console based on Microsoft's Direct-X Software !

«As for the graphics chip itself, it is supposed to be manufactured by NVidia, and frankly I don't see how such a company can release a chip that is three generations ahead of its own chip that is available today.»

Dumb comment, sorry but that required no thought processes. Video cards take time to develop, the chip included will be released in 2001.

«Because you just won't be able to rent a game first before you buy it. You won't be able to see what you're paying for. Can you rent Ages OF EmpiresII to see if it's worth the money? No»

Ummm rental stores ??? There has to be some around where you live. and why the heck did you bring up age of empires when that is a pc game ? LOL of course you cannot rent pc games nor test and bring them back to a store. there is a law against the opening of packages and using the disk media. and there are these convenient reduced versions of games called DEMOS available for one to download and evaluate.

«PS: If Microsoft is so perfect, how come FIFA 2000 isn't working with the new Windows 2000?»

First of all WE KNOW microsoft isn't perfect. the operating systems aren't the stablest, but they are user friendly and well developed, as much as we had to admit it. Also, come on man even you should know why games don't work with Windows 2000, it's a new operating system with a new source code that not all games are compatible with or software, or hardware.

And another thing, the majority of PC games require a little thing called DIRECTX, developed by none other than Microsoft.

«As an end note, I cincerely hope that X-Box can outperform Sony's machine, as a matter of fact, I would love to see both PS2 and X-Box succeed and go head to head for the next decade.»

Make up your mind

Anyway, yeah I can admit to being a very very very irate person when it comes to opinions, but I like to point out the things that people forget to consider when they decide to argue about a certain area of interest. I don't like it when poeple don't think; I can't and will not tolerate ignorance.

I apologize for any offensive commentaries, but let's just use our minds when presenting "facts"

Thanks for your time

I appears that TeKNos has been shut-up, just admit it, PS2 is #1 and will always be #1 until PS3.......

"The only time I get too defensive is when people make opinionated comments about topics they haven't researched or cannot present facts about."

Here you go again with people not thinking and not doing their research. How do you know that?
I believe the reason you keep repeating these words is because you feel insulted anytime your oppinion is being challenged by someone with a different view on the topic. Remember, be more flexible and leave your oppinions open to criticism, for nobody is perfect.

Before I go on, let's just get one thing straight: Sony has already released their system, while X-Box is still on paper.
I still maintain that Sony is the winner for now, and the thumb down still stands for the X-Box untill Microsoft proves me wrong.

Don't you think that I was excited when Sony came ot of nowhere and announced the PS2? I sure was, and this usually leads to dissapointments; it sure did. Just look at the so called "Next-Generation" games Sony has released with their system; a big dissapointment, I might add. But I still trust Sony (for now at least), for they have allways overcome many difficulties during their existence. (don't expect me to actually list all these difficulties for you, for neither do I have the time nor can I remember the sources.)

That is not to say that I'm not excited about something better than Sony's system. Don't you think I would love to see a game of Star-Wars' caliber on a machine with X-Box's capabillity? Of course I would, and so would everybody else. And like I said before, if X-Box can release games that can out-shine and out-play Sony's PS2's games, more power to them, and I would more than happy to buy the system. And again, I'm not contradicting myself; I allways go with what keeps me more intersted; better said, I allways go with the flow. And for now, PS2 is the system that intersts me.

But again everything comes down to developer support. Did you know that the average age of a consumer is arround 14 years old? Also, did you know that the better the graphics and gameplay, the more programmers there is a company in need of? Would you pay $100-$200 for a game only to have ToyStory-like graphics? I wouldn't and nor a 14 year old. Imagine a mere game costing equal to, or more than the system itself. And this goes for Sony's system, as well. So I would go out on a limb and say that both systems (or any other system for that matter) will actually have quallity games towards the end of their systems' life-times, for, by that time, developers will have a better understanding of the system and its capabilities.

Now let me answer some of your questions:

"Dumb comment, sorry but that required no thought processes. Video cards take time to develop, the chip included will be released in 2001."

Actually, I'll take my chances and say that you are wrong. The chip has to be released by the end of this year, in order for developers to have games ready by the system's launch. If you read the announcement, Bill Gates emphasized the importance for developers to get their hands on a development kit as soon as possible. Microsoft believes that, in order to release good games in time for the system's launch, developers should at least spend one year on developing games.

"Ummm rental stores ??? There has to be some around where you live. and why the heck did you bring up age of empires when that is a pc game ? LOL of course you cannot rent pc games nor test and bring them back to a store. there is a law against the opening of packages and using the disk media. and there are these convenient reduced versions of games called DEMOS available for one to download and evaluate."

1)Yes, there are.

2)Because I was trying to explain you why a hard drives are not meant for gaming systems(I hope Sony won't release one.)

3) As for being able to play a demo before buying the game, I would like to ask you one question: Did you play the FIFA 2000 demo? If yes, did it give you everything you wanted to know about the game? I don't think so. I mean, could you forsee that relegations and promotions in Fifa2000 were not exactly what you had in mind? Also, could you forsee that many teams were left-out of the game? Also, could you forsee the changes EA had made to the final version of the game that were actuallly good in FIFA'99? so on...

"Make up your mind

Anyway, yeah I can admit to being a very very very irate person when it comes to opinions, but I like to point out the things that people forget to consider when they decide to argue about a certain area of interest. I don't like it when poeple don't think; I can't and will not tolerate ignorance.

I apologize for any offensive commentaries, but let's just use our minds when presenting "facts"

Thanks for your time"

1) I allready did: PS2 for now. Like I said, I go with the flow, and if X-Box will have more quality games than again I might change my mind.


3)I have come to the conclusion that you have a very biased view towards the X-Box and there's nothing that can change your mind.

4) None taken. But I for one I use my mind and I can back up everything I said, it's just I don't have much time (except for now) to go arround and spend hours looking for old sources just to prove you wrong. If you believe me, good, if not, that's your problem.

5) You're Welcome.

Here's a link to everything there's to know about PS2 (including the Hard-Drive, and Internet otions):

http://videogames.gamespot.com/features/universal/ps2_dos/index.html

Hey Iceberg

where have you been dumbass ?

and who has been the one counteracting all other blatantly stupid comments

LOL if you believe that the PSX2 is better than the XBOX after all the FACTS that differ between them then you are obviously stupid.

Oh wait, you're illiterate and were not able to read the comments

oops sorry

Cheers

OK I accept your arguments for now.

But first of all, the X-BoX is not on paper...it is a reality. It is in a sense, in a beta state. It is not at its full capacity.

What I don't like is how people are beating up on it just because it is Microsoft. Who cares about their operating systems. This is a gaming console. And it is going to be a good one in fact.

They have enough money to compete and create a succesful machine that will satisfy all gaming needs. Also about the hard drive, that is an important factor in satisfying a gamer's requests for updates and improvements of a game.

To answer your question about FIFA 2000, I don't like it, I never said I did, stop thinking that I am a supporter of it. I didn't even buy it to tell you the truth. I don't trust EA.

I never said that I was not a supporter of PSX2, I enjoy Sony because it's obviously a good company that cares about its customer's needs. So is Microsoft, as much as we don't like to admit. They spend millions on improving their software each time a major problem is reported to them.


So I'm dropping out of this argument. It is obviously senseless to argue with those that are not open new development.


KappA

Fair enough!!!

PS: 'been a pleasure chatting with you, though.